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Why Israel became a nation again. Sorry for being rude before

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What’s so great about free will? What have you done with your free will? Free will just lets foids be whores for chad while we rot. Lets children get raped while God just watches it happen.
CHRIST died for our sins, was beaten, tortured, and crucified in one of the most if not the most horrific gruesome ways and HE did Nothing to Deserve it. HE Lived a sinless Holy life.
HE Rose again on the third day, and ascended into Heaven soon after. People saw HIM Risen and willingly died and were persecuted for their belief and faith. All who Believe in HIM will be Saved. We all Deserve Hell.
 
u are a Sinner. Liar, murderer in ur own heart, and the list goes on.
Yea keep shaming everyone for every little thing that we do bad. Ignore all the good that people do, like when I tell the truth or want to save people in my own heart. Nope, that doesn’t matter because you also said a lie and thought of killing someone and that means you deserve hell. Christianity is a scam of a religion that makes you feel like a bad person no matter how much you try to be good.

Even Jesus wouldn’t pass such criticism because he didn’t want to stone an cheating whore wife to death, he was hanging around hookers, wasn’t following the sabbath, was calling people hypocrites because he didn’t want to wash his hands (encouraged unhealthy habits), called goyim the dogs of the jews, told his followers to buy swords but then pussied out when he said life by the sword die by the sword, called himself god (blasphemy deserving of the death sentence according to mosaic law), and much much more.

So I can definitely say Jesus did not live a sinless life if you want to go by the level of criticism Christ cucks use on everyone else.
 
Yea keep shaming everyone for every little thing that we do bad. Ignore all the good that people do, like when I tell the truth or want to save people in my own heart. Nope, that doesn’t matter because you also said a lie and thought of killing someone and that means you deserve hell. Christianity is a scam of a religion that makes you feel like a bad person no matter how much you try to be good.

Even Jesus wouldn’t pass such criticism because he didn’t want to stone an cheating whore wife to death, he was hanging around hookers, wasn’t following the sabbath, was calling people hypocrites because he didn’t want to wash his hands (encouraged unhealthy habits), called goyim the dogs of the jews, told his followers to buy swords but then pussied out when he said life by the sword die by the sword, called himself god (blasphemy deserving of the death sentence according to mosaic law), and much much more.

So I can definitely say Jesus did not live a sinless life if you want to go by the level of criticism Christ cucks use on everyone else.
u show ur ignorance again. Show when did JESUS command people to buy swords. Tell me. Show us, because so far u have shown No Facts.
JESUS Forgave all of those who came to HIM with a true and broken heart. All who accepted HIM and repented of their sins.
Yes even if you do one sin, you are a sinner, you can't just erase it. Is a criminal who commited one crime, and 10000 other "good deeds" now suddenly not justly suppose to pay for that one crime he has done? Amplfy that one crime to thousands, which we have done all of us. All our life we willingly did sinful acts and had sinful thoughts.


We will Never be Good in the sight of GOD, WHO IS PERFECT.
But GOD is LOVING, SO LOVING of us, and MERCIFUL, that HE Sent HIS Only Beggoten SON JESUS to die for our sins on our behalf, and bring all men back to HIM.
If you Repent, and Trust in The LORD, you Will be Saved, like the thief on the cross.
 
Yea keep shaming everyone for every little thing that we do bad. Ignore all the good that people do, like when I tell the truth or want to save people in my own heart. Nope, that doesn’t matter because you also said a lie and thought of killing someone and that means you deserve hell. Christianity is a scam of a religion that makes you feel like a bad person no matter how much you try to be good.

Even Jesus wouldn’t pass such criticism because he didn’t want to stone an cheating whore wife to death, he was hanging around hookers, wasn’t following the sabbath, was calling people hypocrites because he didn’t want to wash his hands (encouraged unhealthy habits), called goyim the dogs of the jews, told his followers to buy swords but then pussied out when he said life by the sword die by the sword, called himself god (blasphemy deserving of the death sentence according to mosaic law), and much much more.

So I can definitely say Jesus did not live a sinless life if you want to go by the level of criticism Christ cucks use on everyone else.
JESUS IS GOD! HE Did Not Lie. So again u are Debunked.
 
u show ur ignorance again. Show when did JESUS command people to buy swords.
Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.” -Luke 22:36

Show us, because so far u have shown No Facts.
I can cite every single claim I made about Jesus. Tell me which one you think I lied about and I will cite them all.

Yes even if you do one sin, you are a sinner, you can't just erase it. Is a criminal who commited one crime, and 10000 other "good deeds" now suddenly not justly suppose to pay for that one crime he has done? Amplfy that one crime to thousands, which we have done all of us. All our life we willingly did sinful acts and had sinful thoughts.
So we will be punished for our sins, but not rewarded for all our good deeds, since hell is eternal according to cucktianity. :feelsclown:
 
Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.” -Luke 22:36


I can cite every single claim I made about Jesus. Tell me which one you think I lied about and I will cite them all.


So we will be punished for our sins, but not rewarded for all our good deeds, since hell is eternal according to cucktianity. :feelsclown:
The textual context reveals at least two truths. First, Jesus contrasts his ministry before his arrival in Jerusalem with the tense few days in Jerusalem when spies and the authorities themselves were seeking to trap him. Does the tension play a part in understanding why he told his disciples to go out and buy swords? This is answered, below. Second, he says that he would be arrested and tried as a criminal, as the prophecy in Is. 53:12 predicted. Does this have anything to do with swords? Do criminals carry them around? This too is explained, below. Jesus may have a deeper meaning in mind than the violent use of the swords. What is it?

The interpretation of the verses can follow either a strictly physical direction in which swords must be used, or a nonphysical one in which swords must not be used, during Jesus’ last hours. The surest and clearest direction is the nonliteral one, but first we analyze why the literal one will not fit into Luke 22:34-38 and into the passage about the arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane (Luke 22:39-53).

Violent use of the swords

Jesus says to the disciples to buy swords, but when they show him two, Jesus says the two are enough. The first direction, the literal one, is inadequate for two reasons.

First, the obvious question is: two swords are enough for what? Are they enough for a physical fight to resist arrest? This is hardly the case because during Jesus’ arrest a disciple (Peter according to John 18:10) took out his sword and cut off the ear of the servant (Malchus according to John 18:10) of the high priest. Jesus sternly tells Peter to put away his sword, "No more of this!" and then he heals the servant, restoring his ear (Luke 22:49-51). Resisting arrest cannot be the purpose of the two swords.

Second, were the two swords enough for an armed rebellion to resist the authorities and to impose the new Jesus movement in a political and military way? Jesus denounces this purpose in Luke 22:52, as the authorities are in the process of arresting him: "Am I leading a rebellion that you have come with swords and clubs?" The answer is no, as he is seized and led away (v. 54).

So the physical interpretation of Luke 22:36 (the two swords were intended to be used) will not work in the larger context. Two swords are not enough to resist arrest, to pull off a revolt of some kind, or to fully protect themselves in the Garden of Gethsemane.

The contextual meaning of the swords

In contrast to the literal interpretation of using swords physically, the following interpretation works smoothly in context so that all the pieces of the puzzle fit together.

First, Jesus reminds the disciples of his mission for them before he arrived in Jerusalem (Luke 9:3; 10:1-17). Did they need a purse, a bag, or extra sandals? No, because people were friendlier, and their opposition to him was spread out over three years. Now, however, he is in Jerusalem, and he has undergone the compacted antagonism of religious leaders seeking to trap him with self-incriminating words. When the authorities are not present, they send their spies. The atmosphere is therefore tense, and the two swords—no more than that—represent the tension. Jesus’ mission has shifted to a clear danger, and the disciples must beware. However, he certainly did not intend for his disciples to use the swords, as we just saw in the literal interpretation, above, for he is about to tell Peter to put away his sword.

Second, "For I tell you, this scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered among the lawless’" (Luke 22:37). By far the clearest purpose of the two swords is Jesus’ reference to Isaiah’s prophecy (53:12). He was destined to be arrested like a criminal, put on trial like a criminal, and even crucified like a criminal (but his arrest, trial, and execution were based on false evidence. He did nothing but good.) Yet, he was hung on the cross between two thieves, which is also a fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy (Luke 23:32; 39-43). What are criminals known for carrying with them? Weapons, and to be numbered among criminals, Jesus must also have weapons. That is why he said that only two swords would be enough—to fulfill this prophecy. Also, Matthew mentions fulfilling prophecy (26:54). If Peter had kept on physically using the sword to prevent Christ’s arrest, prophecy would not have been accomplished smoothly and without hindrance. Jesus says that he could call on twelve legions of angels to protect him, meaning he is destined by God to die; he was not permitted to stop even the mighty Roman Empire from fulfilling its role (Matt. 26:53). That is why Jesus told Peter to put his sword back in its place (Matt. 26:52). And in Luke he says to Peter after the disciple cut off an ear, "No more of this!" (22:51).

The third and final nonliteral interpretation says that Jesus frequently used physical objects (seeds, lamps, vineyards, coins, lost sheep and so on) to teach nonphysical, universal truths, and the same is possibly true of the two swords. This interpretation of clarification is supported by Matt. 10:34: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword." As seen in this article on Matt. 10:34, in context he does not mean a physical sword that cuts up and bloodies the family, but a spiritual and moral one that may divide it up nonphysically. And it is precisely Luke who clarifies Jesus’ meaning of "sword" as nonliteral, in the two parallel passages of Matt. 10:34 and Luke 12:51. If Luke does this in 12:51, then why would he not shift slightly the meaning of "sword" in 22:36-38?

Early Christian history

The foregoing interpretation of the nonphysical use of swords does not say that the two swords did not exist (Luke 22:38). They are not symbols, nor were they imaginary or invisible. Peter really did cut off the ear of the servant of the high priest with one of them (Matt. 26:50-51; Luke 22:49-51).

However, Peter’s use of the sword is done before the formal birth of the Church at Pentecost, when he will be filled with the Spirit in an unprecedented way (Acts 2). It would be misguided to build church doctrine on such a reaction in the heat of the moment, during Jesus’ arrest at night, before Pentecost.

On the other hand, Jesus said to Peter in the Garden, "Put your sword back in its place," meaning, back in its scabbard or holder or in Peter’s belt or another article of clothing. He never said to throw the sword away, off to the side at a distance. Therefore, it is entirely possible that some disciples carried the two weapons after the crucifixion and burial when they lived in hostile territory, and maybe some did after the Resurrection and Ascension.

However, later reliable tradition says that none of the Apostles fought or even tried to fight their way out of fiery trials with swords, as some sort of misguided, twisted, violent martyrs. Instead, tradition says that all of the Apostles but John were martyred as a direct result of persecution (John died from natural causes in old age). Evidently, the example of Jesus throughout his life and in the Garden of Gethsemane made an impression on them.

Though part of this is an argument from silence (drawing conclusions from what a text or history does not say), it is a significant silence of the historical records that speaks volumes. Readers may scroll to the end of the article to begin a series on Pacifism and the Sword in the New Testament. There, this silence will have the support of words.

Conclusion

The events in the Garden of Gethsemane and the commands of Jesus there teach the Apostles nonaggression, so Luke 22:36 does not permit violence. He said to Peter: "For all who draw the sword will die by the sword" (Matt. 26:52). Peter and the others heard those words that clarify the use of swords. Therefore, a lifestyle of the sword must not be part of the disciples’ new walk with the resurrected Christ, as they preached his message of hope.
 
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Did Jesus endorse and encourage violence in the four Gospels, presumably a righteous kind of violence? Did he call his original disciples to this? Did he order all of his disciples to buy swords, really? Two verses may indicate that he did these things.

Matt. 10:34 reads:

34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword (New International Version, NIV)
And Luke 22:36 reads:

36 [Jesus] said to [the disciples], "But now the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag; and the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one." (New Revised Standard Version, NRSV)
Cited in isolation, those two verses suggest that swords and violence are a possibility. It seems as if Jesus carried and wielded a sword. It seems as if all of the disciples should go out and buy one each. After the death and burial of Jesus, they would have to face the world alone without him, so they thought.

However, what happens to the apparent meaning of the two verses when they are not read in isolation, but in context? Did Jesus really wield a sword and want all of the disciples to buy one, for each?

This article is Part Two in a series on pacifism and the sword in the New Testament.

Matthew 10:34

Scripture must be read in context. As the old saying goes, a text without a context may become a pretext. The context of Matthew 10:34 (in bold font) is quoted in full to explain the meaning of "sword":

32 "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven. 34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household [Mic. 7:6]37 Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it."


Thus the verse cannot legitimately be used as a call to a military holy war on society. The context, rather, is family relationships. The meaning of "sword" is now clear. It indicates that following Jesus in his original Jewish society may not bring peace to a family, but may "split" it up (Mic. 7:6), the precise function of a metaphorical sword. Are his disciples ready for that?

Now we can appeal to the larger textual context. The non-literal interpretation of the sword is confirmed by a parallel passage in the Gospel of Luke.

Luke 12:49-53 reads:

49 "I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo [my death], and how distressed I am until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."
The proper way to interpret Scripture is to let verses clarify other verses, particularly parallel passages. And now Luke 12:49-53 confirms the non-literal interpretation of Matt. 10:34. Jesus did not endorse physical violence against one’s own family, but he warns people about possible family division.

For more information on Matt. 10:34, such as the cultural context, click here.

Luke 22:36

The historical context of Luke 22:36 demonstrates that for three years Jesus avoided making a public, triumphal entry of his visits to Jerusalem because he understood that when he set foot in the holy city in this way, he would fulfill his mission to die, in a death that looked like one of a common criminal, just as Isaiah the prophet had predicted hundreds of years before (Is. 53:12). He needed to complete his work outside of Jerusalem.

Now, however, Jesus finally enters the city famous for killing her prophets (Luke 13:33-34), a few days before his arrest, trial and crucifixion, all of which he predicted. Religious leaders were spying on him and asked him trick questions, so they could incriminate him (Luke 20:20). These insincere questions, though they were also asked before he entered the city, increased in frequency during these compacted tense days. But he answered impressively, avoiding their traps. Despite the tension, each day Jesus taught in the temple, and crowds gathered around him, so the authorities could not arrest him, for fear of the people. Judas volunteered to betray him, saying that he would report back to the authorities when no crowd was present (Luke 22:1-6).

As Passover drew near, Jesus asked some of his disciples to prepare the Last Supper (most likely the Seder). He elevated the bread and the wine, representing his body and blood, which was broken and shed for the sins of the world in the New Covenant (Luke 22:7-20). However, during the meal, Judas slipped out to search for the authorities because he knew that it was the custom of Jesus to go to the Mount of Olives to pray (Luke 21:37), and that night would be no different.

At this point we pick up the textual context of Luke 22:36 (bold print). He is eating the Last Supper on the night he was betrayed.

Luke 22:35-38 says:

35 [Jesus] asked them [the eleven apostles], "When I sent you out without a purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?"
They said, "No, not a thing."
36 He said to them, "But now the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag. And the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one. 37 For I tell you, this scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered among the lawless’; and indeed what is written about me is being fulfilled."
38 They [the disciples] said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."
"It is enough," he replied. (NRSV)
The textual context reveals at least two truths. First, Jesus contrasts his ministry before his arrival in Jerusalem with the tense few days in Jerusalem when spies and the authorities themselves were seeking to trap him. Does the tension play a part in understanding why he told his disciples to go out and buy swords? This is answered, below. Second, he says that he would be arrested and tried as a criminal, as the prophecy in Is. 53:12 predicted. Does this have anything to do with swords? Do criminals carry them around? This too is explained, below. Jesus may have a deeper meaning in mind than the violent use of the swords. What is it?

The interpretation of the verses can follow either a strictly physical direction in which swords must be used, or a non-physical one in which swords must not be used, during Jesus’ last hours. The surest and clearest direction is the non-literal one, but first we analyze why the literal one will not fit into Luke 22:34-38 and into the passage about the arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane (Luke 22:39-53).

Violent use of the swords

Jesus says to the disciples to buy swords, but when they show him two, Jesus says those are enough. The first direction, the literal one, is inadequate for two reasons.

First, the obvious question is: two swords are enough for what? Are they enough for a physical fight to resist arrest? This is hardly the case because during Jesus’ arrest a disciple (Peter according to John 18:10) took out his sword and cut off the ear of the servant (Malchus according to John 18:10) of the high priest. Jesus sternly tells Peter to put away his sword, "No more of this!" and then he heals the servant, restoring his ear (Luke 22:49-51). Resisting arrest cannot be the purpose of the two swords.

Second, were the two swords enough for an armed rebellion to resist the authorities and to impose the new Jesus movement in a political and military way? Jesus denounces this purpose in Luke 22:52, as the authorities were in the process of arresting him: "Am I leading a rebellion that you have come with swords and clubs?" The answer is no, as he is seized and led away (v. 54).

So the physical interpretation of Luke 22:36 (the two swords were intended to be used) will not work in the larger context. Two swords are not enough to resist arrest, to pull off a revolt of some kind, or to fully protect themselves in the Garden of Gethsemane.

The contextual meaning of the swords

In contrast to the literal interpretation of using swords physically, the following interpretation works smoothly in context so that all the pieces of the puzzle fit together.

First, Jesus reminds the disciples of his mission for them before he arrived in Jerusalem (Luke 9:3; 10:1-17). Did they need a purse, a bag, or extra sandals? No, because people were friendlier, and their opposition to him was spread out over three years. Now, however, he is in Jerusalem, and he has undergone the compacted antagonism of religious leaders seeking to trap him with self-incriminating words. When the authorities are not present, they send their spies. The atmosphere is therefore tense, and the two swords—no more than that—represent the tension. Jesus’ mission has shifted to a clear danger, and the disciples must beware. However, he certainly did not intend for his disciples to use the swords, as we just saw in the literal interpretation, above, for he is about to tell Peter to put away his sword.

Second, "For I tell you, this scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered among the lawless’" (Luke 22:37). By far the clearest purpose of the two swords is Jesus’ reference to Isaiah’s prophecy (53:12). He was destined to be arrested like a criminal, put on trial like a criminal, and even crucified like a criminal (but his arrest, trial and execution was based on false evidence. He did nothing but good.) Yet, he was hung on the cross between two thieves, which is also a fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy (Luke 23:32; 39-43). What are criminals known for carrying with them? Weapons, and to be numbered among criminals, Jesus must also have weapons. That is why he said that only two swords would be enough—to fulfill this prophecy. Also, Matthew mentions fulfilling prophecy (26:54). If Peter had kept on physically using the sword to prevent Christ’s arrest, prophecy would not have been accomplished smoothly and without hindrance. Jesus says that he could call on twelve legions of angels to protect him, meaning he is destined by God to die; he is not permitted to stop even the mighty Roman Empire from fulfilling its role (Matt. 26:53). That is why Jesus told Peter to put his sword back in its place (Matt. 26:52). And in Luke he says to Peter after he cut off an ear, "No more of this!" (22:51).

The third and final non-literal interpretation says that Jesus frequently used physical objects (seeds, lamps, vineyards, coins, lost sheep and so on) to teach non-physical, universal truths, and the same is possibly true of the two swords. This interpretation of clarification is supported by Matt. 10:34: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword." As we have seen (above) in context, he does not mean a literal sword that cuts up and bloodies the family, but a spiritual and moral one that may divide it up non-physically. And it is precisely Luke who clarifies Jesus’ meaning of "sword" as non-literal, as we compared the two parallel passages of Matt. 10:34 and Luke 12:51. If Luke does this in 12:51, then why would he not slightly shift the meaning of sword in 22:36-38?

Early Christian history

The foregoing interpretation of the non-physical use of swords does not say that the two swords did not exist (Luke 22:38). They are not symbols, nor were they imaginary or invisible. Peter really did cut off the ear of the servant of the high priest with one of them (Matt. 26:50-51; Luke 22:49-51).

However, Peter’s use of the sword is done before the formal birth of the Church at Pentecost, when he will be filled with the Spirit in an unprecedented way (Acts 2). It would be misguided to build church doctrine on such a reaction in the heat of the moment, during Jesus’ arrest at night, before Pentecost.

On the other hand, Jesus said to Peter in the Garden, "Put your sword back in its place," meaning, back in its scabbard or holder or in Peter’s belt or another article of clothing. He never said to throw the sword away, off to the side at a distance. Therefore, it is entirely possible that some disciples carried the two weapons after the crucifixion and burial when they lived in hostile territory, and maybe some did after the Resurrection and Ascension.

Therefore, I do not deny that an individual Christian may own a firearm to defend his home, for example. But he must obey the law and avoid vices like over-inflated egos and recklessness. Also, he does not officially represent the Church as an institution. He owns a weapon privately, as a citizen of society. It is best to keep the kingdom of God (which creates the Church) and the kingdom of Caesar separate. Then we will have clarity. On the other hand, if Christians do not choose to own a firearm, then they are free not to do this. The New Testament offers choices and therefore freedom. They will be (or should be) protected by the kingdom of Caesar (the State), if they are attacked by criminals.

However, it is imperative to understand that later reliable tradition says that none of the apostles fought or even tried to fight their way out of fiery trials with swords, as some sort of misguided, twisted, violent martyrs. Instead, tradition says that all of the apostles but John were martyred as a direct result of persecution (John died from natural causes in old age). Evidently, the example of Jesus throughout his life and in the Garden of Gethsemane made an impression on them.

Though part of this is an argument from silence (drawing conclusions from what a text does not say), it is a significant silence of the historical records that speaks volumes. As we shall see in future articles, this silence will have the support of words.

Summary

As I concluded in the earlier article in the series, Jesus teaches that the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Caesar are different and distinct. He did not purpose to reestablish the theocratic kingdom of Israel (Acts 1:6-7). Jesus waged kingdom or spiritual warfare, preaching the kingdom message.

This article confirms that separation and message. The events in the Garden of Gethsemane and the commands of Jesus there teach the apostles nonaggression. He said to Peter: "For all who draw the sword will die by the sword" (Matt. 26:52). Peter and the others heard those words that clarify the use of swords. Also, Matt. 10:34 cannot legitimately be used to justify a physical fight. The sword appears in the context of family relations. The way of Jesus may divide a family, morally, spiritually and relationally, but not violently. Therefore, a lifestyle of the sword must not be part of the disciples’ new walk with the resurrected Christ, as they preached his message of hope.

Thus, the Church must follow its Lord in waging only spiritual warfare and preaching only the kingdom message (2 Cor. 10:4-6 and Eph. 6:1-10). So this much is bedrock: the Church—as an institution—is never permitted to spread the gospel or to impose personal righteousness by the sword, for Christ’s kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36). So only in this sense is the Church—as the Church—a "pacifist" body, for it follows the dictates of the kingdom of God, which creates the church. That is, ecclesiastical leaders should not convene a special council and general assembly to vote on raising an army or militia in order to wage war. Thus, the Church and the State must never be fused together.

Yet, the Church, by its nature and purpose, is commanded to exhort, teach, guide, and counsel the government about the ways of God. The Church proclaims peace, or it may counsel a just war, depending on the circumstances. If the Church were to teach only pacifism, it would violate its own Scriptures (Rom. 13:1-7). But the Church and the government are not the same.

Rather, the Church exists to save souls, teach believers, and help the needy in practical ways, not to bloody and kill people with swords. And it continues its true mission to this day, turning the world right side up.

So if the Church as an institution is not permitted to have an army and to wage war, are individual Christians permitted to join the military and law enforcement of the State, according to the New Testament? Yes, and that complex question is answered more fully in future articles in the series. For now, applying Matthew 26:52 is sufficient. "All who draw the sword will die by the sword." Clearly, that timeless truth in context refers to criminals, rebels, and revolutionaries. Whether the cause of revolutionaries is just or unjust, they (and criminals and rebels) use weapons, so they are at risk of dying by such weapons.

However, lawful soldiers and police officers also place themselves at a higher risk, more so than average, law-abiding citizens, who do not have to use weapons. This does not mean that lawful soldiers and police officers are on the same level as criminals, rebels, or revolutionaries—far from it. But the servants of the State, working in the two God-ordained institutions of the military and law enforcement (Rom. 13:1-7), must be forewarned early on in their careers of the inherent danger that comes from using weapons.
 
Israel is the incel of countries. Right wing hates them for being Jews and because they killed Jesus, left wing hates them for killing Palestinians. It's socially acceptable to hate Israel and cheer when something bad happens to them. The only difference is that we incels don't have a Gigachad friend (US) defending us kek.
 
Israel is the incel of countries. Right wing hates them for being Jews and because they killed Jesus, left wing hates them for killing Palestinians. It's socially acceptable to hate Israel and cheer when something bad happens to them. The only difference is that we incels don't have a Gigachad friend (US) defending us kek.
Where was the usa when mere farmer Hebrews had to fend for themselves against the entire Arab League in 1948 or 1967? GOD Helped them. Literally HE Did.
 
The textual context reveals at least two truths. First, Jesus contrasts his ministry before his arrival in Jerusalem with the tense few days in Jerusalem when spies and the authorities themselves were seeking to trap him. Does the tension play a part in understanding why he told his disciples to go out and buy swords? This is answered, below. Second, he says that he would be arrested and tried as a criminal, as the prophecy in Is. 53:12 predicted. Does this have anything to do with swords? Do criminals carry them around? This too is explained, below. Jesus may have a deeper meaning in mind than the violent use of the swords. What is it?

The interpretation of the verses can follow either a strictly physical direction in which swords must be used, or a nonphysical one in which swords must not be used, during Jesus’ last hours. The surest and clearest direction is the nonliteral one, but first we analyze why the literal one will not fit into Luke 22:34-38 and into the passage about the arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane (Luke 22:39-53).

Violent use of the swords

Jesus says to the disciples to buy swords, but when they show him two, Jesus says the two are enough. The first direction, the literal one, is inadequate for two reasons.

First, the obvious question is: two swords are enough for what? Are they enough for a physical fight to resist arrest? This is hardly the case because during Jesus’ arrest a disciple (Peter according to John 18:10) took out his sword and cut off the ear of the servant (Malchus according to John 18:10) of the high priest. Jesus sternly tells Peter to put away his sword, "No more of this!" and then he heals the servant, restoring his ear (Luke 22:49-51). Resisting arrest cannot be the purpose of the two swords.

Second, were the two swords enough for an armed rebellion to resist the authorities and to impose the new Jesus movement in a political and military way? Jesus denounces this purpose in Luke 22:52, as the authorities are in the process of arresting him: "Am I leading a rebellion that you have come with swords and clubs?" The answer is no, as he is seized and led away (v. 54).

So the physical interpretation of Luke 22:36 (the two swords were intended to be used) will not work in the larger context. Two swords are not enough to resist arrest, to pull off a revolt of some kind, or to fully protect themselves in the Garden of Gethsemane.

The contextual meaning of the swords

In contrast to the literal interpretation of using swords physically, the following interpretation works smoothly in context so that all the pieces of the puzzle fit together.

First, Jesus reminds the disciples of his mission for them before he arrived in Jerusalem (Luke 9:3; 10:1-17). Did they need a purse, a bag, or extra sandals? No, because people were friendlier, and their opposition to him was spread out over three years. Now, however, he is in Jerusalem, and he has undergone the compacted antagonism of religious leaders seeking to trap him with self-incriminating words. When the authorities are not present, they send their spies. The atmosphere is therefore tense, and the two swords—no more than that—represent the tension. Jesus’ mission has shifted to a clear danger, and the disciples must beware. However, he certainly did not intend for his disciples to use the swords, as we just saw in the literal interpretation, above, for he is about to tell Peter to put away his sword.

Second, "For I tell you, this scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered among the lawless’" (Luke 22:37). By far the clearest purpose of the two swords is Jesus’ reference to Isaiah’s prophecy (53:12). He was destined to be arrested like a criminal, put on trial like a criminal, and even crucified like a criminal (but his arrest, trial, and execution were based on false evidence. He did nothing but good.) Yet, he was hung on the cross between two thieves, which is also a fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy (Luke 23:32; 39-43). What are criminals known for carrying with them? Weapons, and to be numbered among criminals, Jesus must also have weapons. That is why he said that only two swords would be enough—to fulfill this prophecy. Also, Matthew mentions fulfilling prophecy (26:54). If Peter had kept on physically using the sword to prevent Christ’s arrest, prophecy would not have been accomplished smoothly and without hindrance. Jesus says that he could call on twelve legions of angels to protect him, meaning he is destined by God to die; he was not permitted to stop even the mighty Roman Empire from fulfilling its role (Matt. 26:53). That is why Jesus told Peter to put his sword back in its place (Matt. 26:52). And in Luke he says to Peter after the disciple cut off an ear, "No more of this!" (22:51).

The third and final nonliteral interpretation says that Jesus frequently used physical objects (seeds, lamps, vineyards, coins, lost sheep and so on) to teach nonphysical, universal truths, and the same is possibly true of the two swords. This interpretation of clarification is supported by Matt. 10:34: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword." As seen in this article on Matt. 10:34, in context he does not mean a physical sword that cuts up and bloodies the family, but a spiritual and moral one that may divide it up nonphysically. And it is precisely Luke who clarifies Jesus’ meaning of "sword" as nonliteral, in the two parallel passages of Matt. 10:34 and Luke 12:51. If Luke does this in 12:51, then why would he not shift slightly the meaning of "sword" in 22:36-38?

Early Christian history

The foregoing interpretation of the nonphysical use of swords does not say that the two swords did not exist (Luke 22:38). They are not symbols, nor were they imaginary or invisible. Peter really did cut off the ear of the servant of the high priest with one of them (Matt. 26:50-51; Luke 22:49-51).

However, Peter’s use of the sword is done before the formal birth of the Church at Pentecost, when he will be filled with the Spirit in an unprecedented way (Acts 2). It would be misguided to build church doctrine on such a reaction in the heat of the moment, during Jesus’ arrest at night, before Pentecost.

On the other hand, Jesus said to Peter in the Garden, "Put your sword back in its place," meaning, back in its scabbard or holder or in Peter’s belt or another article of clothing. He never said to throw the sword away, off to the side at a distance. Therefore, it is entirely possible that some disciples carried the two weapons after the crucifixion and burial when they lived in hostile territory, and maybe some did after the Resurrection and Ascension.

However, later reliable tradition says that none of the Apostles fought or even tried to fight their way out of fiery trials with swords, as some sort of misguided, twisted, violent martyrs. Instead, tradition says that all of the Apostles but John were martyred as a direct result of persecution (John died from natural causes in old age). Evidently, the example of Jesus throughout his life and in the Garden of Gethsemane made an impression on them.

Though part of this is an argument from silence (drawing conclusions from what a text or history does not say), it is a significant silence of the historical records that speaks volumes. Readers may scroll to the end of the article to begin a series on Pacifism and the Sword in the New Testament. There, this silence will have the support of words.

Conclusion

The events in the Garden of Gethsemane and the commands of Jesus there teach the Apostles nonaggression, so Luke 22:36 does not permit violence. He said to Peter: "For all who draw the sword will die by the sword" (Matt. 26:52). Peter and the others heard those words that clarify the use of swords. Therefore, a lifestyle of the sword must not be part of the disciples’ new walk with the resurrected Christ, as they preached his message of hope.
You didn’t type that long essay, you just copy pasted it from some cucktianity website trying to perform mental gymnastic at this blatant obvious contradictory stupidity.

Israel is the incel of countries. Right wing hates them for being Jews and because they killed Jesus, left wing hates them for killing Palestinians. It's socially acceptable to hate Israel and cheer when something bad happens to them. The only difference is that we incels don't have a Gigachad friend (US) defending us kek.
Yet they both pay for Israel’s existence (which has tax funded medical care) with their taxes, while they don’t get medical care for themselves.
 
Jews killed Jesus
 
You didn’t type that long essay, you just copy pasted it from some cucktianity website trying to perform mental gymnastic at this blatant obvious contradictory stupidity.


Yet they both pay for Israel’s existence (which has tax funded medical care) with their taxes, while they don’t get medical care for themselves.
And where did you get your info form? Some anti Christian coping out of contex desperate satanic source, u fucking Hypocrite.
Doesn't matter Where I got it from, because we Christians are one of the same Body.

The Church and Body of JESUS CHRIST.

If you don't want to read it fine, but nothing you say is in context or debunks Christianity.

u are a Hypocrite.
 
Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.” -Luke 22:36


I can cite every single claim I made about Jesus. Tell me which one you think I lied about and I will cite them all.


So we will be punished for our sins, but not rewarded for all our good deeds, since hell is eternal according to cucktianity. :feelsclown:
Does a criminal get rewarded for his "good deeds" in a Just legal system? Yes the wages of sin is Death.
 
And where did you get your info form? Some anti Christian coping out of contex desperate satanic source, u fucking Hypocrite.
Doesn't matter Where I got it from, because we Christians are one of the same Body.

The Church and Body of JESUS CHRIST.

If you don't want to read it fine, but nothing you say is in context or debunks Christianity.

u are a Hypocrite.
I know this information like the back of my hand, I don’t need to google a single thing except for specific verses as references to back up what I’m saying.

I don’t need to debunk Christianity, it was a false religion to begin with. Even dumber than most other religions.
 
I know this information like the back of my hand, I don’t need to google a single thing except for specific verses as references to back up what I’m saying.

I don’t need to debunk Christianity, it was a false religion to begin with. Even dumber than most other religions.
Ok but at one point u learned these Lies from another source, u Hypocrite. This is about revealing the Truth, and not ur egoism "Oh I have better memory and knowledge ooooo"

Fact is u got Debunked that's all that matters here.
 
any promises to abraham and the nation of israel was made to christians
galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
 
any promises to abraham and the nation of israel was made to christians
galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Yes but one day Israel will be Saved also or a portion, this is a topic I need to research more there is more than a single opinion. I agree with what you're saying 100% though. Already in Israel there is many Hebrews becoming Christian! One for Israel Ministry on youtube, and they minister to muslims too.
 
Yes but one day Israel will be Saved also or a portion, this is a topic I need to research more there is more than a single opinion. I agree with what you're saying 100% though. Already in Israel there is many Hebrews becoming Christian! One for Israel Ministry on youtube, and they minister to muslims too.
bro you do realize that jews hate christ
have you checked the talmud their whole religon is just based on loxism(antigoyim/antigentile)
there is no righteous reminant of the jews because the religon of judaism is wicked they are not saved

salvation can only be through accepting jesus
1 john 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
 
bro you do realize that jews hate christ
have you checked the talmud their whole religon is just based on loxism(antigoyim/antigentile)
there is no righteous reminant of the jews because the religon of judaism is wicked they are not saved

salvation can only be through accepting jesus
1 john 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
Okay those are religious rabbis, I'm talking about the Hebrew people. Many don't believe in the talmud man.
 
bro you do realize that jews hate christ
have you checked the talmud their whole religon is just based on loxism(antigoyim/antigentile)
there is no righteous reminant of the jews because the religon of judaism is wicked they are not saved

salvation can only be through accepting jesus
1 john 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
Yes the talmud is Utterly satanic and I'm sure many rabbis who don't repent will Burn Forever in Utter Torment.
 
literally jesus in the talmud countless blasphemies

) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).

2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).

3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh, which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).

Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in Soncino footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery: "It is taught that on the eve of Passover Jesus was hung, and forty days before this the proclamation was made: Jesus is to be stoned to death because he has practiced sorcery and has lured the people to idolatry...He was an enticer and of such thou shalt not pity or condone."
 
literally jesus in the talmud countless blasphemies

) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).

2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).

3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh, which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).

Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in Soncino footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery: "It is taught that on the eve of Passover Jesus was hung, and forty days before this the proclamation was made: Jesus is to be stoned to death because he has practiced sorcery and has lured the people to idolatry...He was an enticer and of such thou shalt not pity or condone."
When I defend Israel I mean as the nation, which will one day be Redeemed and accept CHRIST.
 
literally jesus in the talmud countless blasphemies

) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).

2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).

3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh, which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).

Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in Soncino footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery: "It is taught that on the eve of Passover Jesus was hung, and forty days before this the proclamation was made: Jesus is to be stoned to death because he has practiced sorcery and has lured the people to idolatry...He was an enticer and of such thou shalt not pity or condone."
there is even more Disgusting satanism.
 
Okay those are religious rabbis, I'm talking about the Hebrew people. Many don't believe in the talmud man.
are you dispensationalist


jews and people who follow judaism(reject the gospel) go to hell
hebrews can convert and go to heaven(like paul)
do you agree
 
Ok but at one point u learned these Lies from another source, u Hypocrite. This is about revealing the Truth, and not ur egoism "Oh I have better memory and knowledge ooooo"

Fact is u got Debunked that's all that matters here.
No, I don’t lie. I’m just very educated on abrahamic religions.
 
are you dispensationalist


jews and people who follow judaism(reject the gospel) go to hell
hebrews can convert and go to heaven(like paul)
do you agree
I showed you in the op that GOD foretold Israel being revived one day. Did I not though? Come on. It's Clear as day! Paul even said Israel one day will be Saved.
 
Well u lost here.
Not really, all 3 abrahamic religions are easy to debunk. Evolution literally debunks all 3 in 1 second. Forget about even needing to quote the Bible or Qur’an jfl.
 
Not really, all 3 abrahamic religions are easy to debunk. Evolution literally debunks all 3 in 1 second. Forget about even needing to quote the Bible or Qur’an jfl.
Lol, macro evolution has never been proven.
 
evolution leftard worship
 
Again, never actually proven and in many cases debunked.
The difference between all animals is their genes. Genetic mutations occur every generation. Genetics for looks and intelligence also over time. The genetics that make species the same also change over time until they are too different to breed anymore (when isolated).

evolution=we wuz niggermonkies
Look at foid behaviour and all you will see is apes.
 
The difference between all animals is their genes. Genetic mutations occur every generation. Genetics for looks and intelligence also over time. The genetics that make species the same also change over time until they are too different to breed anymore (when isolated).


Look at foid behaviour and all you will see is apes.
Nope as I said prove it!
 
The difference between all animals is their genes. Genetic mutations occur every generation. Genetics for looks and intelligence also over time. The genetics that make species the same also change over time until they are too different to breed anymore (when isolated).


Look at foid behaviour and all you will see is apes.
Believing the universe, consciousness, all this came from literally nothing is absurd in it's own right, let alone macro evolution Never being proven. Complex Dna and all of this, can't be explained via nothing.
 
The difference between all animals is their genes. Genetic mutations occur every generation. Genetics for looks and intelligence also over time. The genetics that make species the same also change over time until they are too different to breed anymore (when isolated).


Look at foid behaviour and all you will see is apes.
Morality can Not be explained without GOD.
 
Nope as I said prove it!
Which part of what I said was incorrect. Pick out the statement that was wrong.

Believing the universe, consciousness, all this came from literally nothing is absurd in it's own right, let alone macro evolution Never being proven. Complex Dna and all of this, can't be explained via nothing.
I never said the universe or consciousness came from nothing, but we do know life came through evolution.
 
Which part of what I said was incorrect. Pick out the statement that was wrong.


I never said the universe or consciousness came from nothing, but we do know life came through evolution.
Ok man I am actually just tired of this. Bye.
 

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