Serious Why is nazi art so bad and latently GAY?

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

Not trolling here, but since stomcels despise modernism, I'll just juxtapose Van Gogh's early modernist classic "a pair of shoes" with officially commissioned 'beautiful' national socialist art of Arno Breker, to show just how bad it really was.

Van Gogh's painting is minimalist, nothing flashy or tacky going on here, to the untrained eye just a picture of smelly, worn out peasant shoes on canvas, but it's limited objectal form is to be taken as a clue of some vaster reality, it conjures a deep historical depth to it: stark poverty, alienation, exploitation -- the real world of back breaking labor, sweat and tears. Through those dirty shoes alone a whole universe of social relations opens up to the viewer for interpretation.

Now take just about any Arno Breker statue, like this one for example. Already a simulacra of ancient greek art this shit is supposed to convey some sort of a life and death 'struggle', but don't be fooled by appearances as not a single scratch is to be found on his body. Artistically it's akin to some celeb Chad posing for teen Vouge with a domesticated piton. A complete triumph of style over substance.

There was little to no hermeneutic depth to Brekers art apart from misc level of idolatry "lmao dude pump some iron" or "look at these pecs lol", mostly just Chads permasquinting for some reason. another couple of exhibits:

Meanwhile a 1950s gay mag for 2.50$

 

[Deleted member 22999]

no comment

 

[radishman]

So all the leftist and soys that are anti-nazi are truthfully homophobic?

 

[Lookscel]

Unrelated but that last picture is from 1950s and if I'm correct steroids weren't available around that time.

So that physique is naturally attainable?

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

One is war propaganda. The other is actual art for the sake of being art. I'm more partial to impressionist art though. Communist propaganda has similar themes, including the near fetishization of labor. Look at some Maoist or Leninist propaganda posters sometime.

 

[Neggr]

@Ecstasy

 

[Ecstasy]

>ideal male bodies are gay

Some projection going on here, isn't it?

 

[Hell]

Sigh pre-steroid bodybuilding was great

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

Unrelated but that last picture is from 1950s and if I'm correct steroids weren't available around that time.

So that physique is naturally attainable?

Genes bro.

 

[Fat Link]

I think you’re projecting a bit OP.

If you have latent fag desires then hey “let your freak flag fly” as your fellow degenerates would say but just don’t do it here since no faggots are allowed on this site.

In anycase I’ll take Arno Breker’s art any day (he made nude female statue art as well which you conveniently left out/ignored to push your “Nazis are fags!” Jew agenda) over this degenerate, ugly and vile Jew bullshit below.

View: https://youtu.be/CnbxO7P7Xnk

 

[l33tbl0k3]

well today's natsoc crowd embraces femboys, so not much has changed. It's because Hitler tried to combat "degenerate art" after his experiences being an artist, his paintings got beat by a toilet or pants that have been shit in or something similar.

I think you’re projecting a bit OP.

If you have latent fag desires then hey “let your freak flag fly” as your fellow degenerates would say but just don’t do it here since no faggots are allowed on this site.

In anycase I’ll take Arno Breker’s art any day (he made nude female statue art as well which you conveniently left out/ignored to push your “Nazis are fags!” Jew agenda) over this degenerate, ugly and vile Jew bullshit below.

View: https://youtu.be/CnbxO7P7Xnk

yeah it's pretty sad that most of today's art is made to invoke feelings disgust

 

[FrothySolutions]

Not inceldom related.

 

[Mogged Loner]

Easy answer

Van Gogh wasn’t a homo

Greeks are known ass fuckers same with 90% of the renaissance era artists.

As for Nazi art, I find 60% of hardcore racists usually have cock fetishes so that might be why they love to sculpt them with their bare hands

 

[Macrocephalus]

I like the multilingualism in your posts, boyo

 

[goydivision]

Not incel related but OP is high IQ. Also nazis are literally faggots. Case in point: Hitler, Rohm, amongst others.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

Unrelated but that last picture is from 1950s and if I'm correct steroids weren't available around that time

Yes they were Anabolic steroids were created in the 30´s and used by athletes in the mid 50´s so it´s possible that the last guy used them.

 

[FemoidsGTFO]

>ideal male bodies are gay

Some projection going on here, isn't it?

 

[Unhappy-Man]

Their propaganda posters are really good

Although they focus on the ideal man which they hoped to eventually make universal, it shows what they stand for.

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

>ideal male bodies are gay

Some projection going on here, isn't it?

Chad worship is something teen girls on tiktok do, it should not be a state endorsed policy.

One is war propaganda. The other is actual art for the sake of being art. I'm more partial to impressionist art though. Communist propaganda has similar themes, including the near fetishization of labor. Look at some Maoist or Leninist propaganda posters sometime.

Maoist propaganda featured bloated smiling prole faces. Nazis were on another lever with this one, they had Kalvin Klein standards.

Not inceldom related.

Chad worship is very inceldom related.

I think you’re projecting a bit OP.

If you have latent fag desires then hey “let your freak flag fly” as your fellow degenerates would say but just don’t do it here since no faggots are allowed on this site.

In anycase I’ll take Arno Breker’s art any day (he made nude female statue art as well which you conveniently left out/ignored to push your “Nazis are fags!” Jew agenda) over this degenerate, ugly and vile Jew bullshit below.

Triggered, aren't you? I'm talking about Vincent Van Gogh, not the degenerate art of today which is made for it's own promotional sake, shock value, fame, and notoriety. Thank free market capitalism for that one. And by the way, the nazis were homoerotic since the NSDAP days, didn't you read Rohmels love letters? He was Hitlers closest ally.

 

[mNFwTJ3wz9]

Greycel purge needed rn

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

Maoist propaganda featured bloated smiling prole faces.

Did they show workers who were starving and missing teeth? How about workers with fucked up asymmetrical faces? I don't recall any showing that.

 

[Ecstasy]

Chad worship is something teen girls on tiktok do, it should not be a state endorsed policy.

What else should a state promote if not heroic, healthy and adventorous warriors? I don't get how you can be so in favour of weakness and ugliness. Are you happy living this incel life?

 

[FrothySolutions]

Chad worship is very inceldom related.

How so? Especially gay Chad worship? It's not a factor to our inceldom what gay Nazis did back in the 30s.

 

[AlexanderTheGreat11]

no comment

 

[Deleted member 24272]

İt puts a smile on my face to see art releated discussion on this forum that isnt about Rockyeet or its shitty parodys.
I say art of making sculptures were dead after the 19 th century,with new waves of art that use different more flexable materials and lack of diverse examples shown to new artists during their training ruined it and took the personality out of sculptures.
Only people who actually worship and love these kind of shit are fascist zoomers who visited /pol/ too much and greeks who think they are holy race despite looking exactly same as turks they despise so much.

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

Did they show workers who were starving and missing teeth? How about workers with fucked up asymmetrical faces? I don't recall any showing that.

They didn't ofc, as socialist realism was a giant PR campaign for communism. But one needs to be precise here -- for the most part the maoist ideal were unoffensive, bland yet healthy normie faces, wojaks so to speak, not chielsed GiGa Chads that mog today's insta models.

What else should a state promote if not heroic, healthy and adventorous warriors? I don't get how you can be so in favour of weakness and ugliness. Are you happy living this incel life?

The heroic, healthy and adventurous and strong today flourishes in the private spheres of enterprise -- film, music, social media . On what fucking planet are you living on where 'weakness' and inceldom are favored??? I need to get there asap.

How so? Especially gay Chad worship? It's not a factor to our inceldom what gay Nazis did back in the 30s.

There are stormcels here as we speak. Don't tell me a self-diagnosed incel subhuman shilling for nazism isn't some advanced form of self-flagellating cuckoldry.

 

[FrothySolutions]

There are stormcels here as we speak. Don't tell me a self-diagnosed incel subhuman shilling for nazism isn't some advanced form of self-flagellating cuckoldry.

I'm sure there are Nazis here, but that's more like an extracurricular. That's like me being a movie fan. It's a thing I do, but does it have to do with my inceldom?

 

[Ecstasy]

The heroic, healthy and adventurous and strong today flourishes in the private spheres of enterprise -- film, music, social media . On what fucking planet are you living on where 'weakness' and inceldom are favored??? I need to get there asap.

They do because that is the way things are, of course the nazis as elitists were promoting this aswell. Don't get your point.
I simply enjoy your cringe threads trying to shit on nazis for random reasons.

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

But one needs to be precise here -- for the most part the maoist ideal were unoffensive, bland yet healthy normie faces, wojaks so to speak, not chielsed GiGa Chads that mog today's insta models.

So it doesn't actually show the truly oppressed, thus betraying their ideals. Its idealism (propaganda) of a different kind. It still promotes largely unobtainable goals, just from a different perspective. And wojak isn't meant to be a normie figure. It was used by old /r9k/ before it was hijacked.

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

İt puts a smile on my face to see art releated discussion on this forum that isnt about Rockyeet or its shitty parodys.
I say art of making sculptures were dead after the 19 th century,with new waves of art that use different more flexable materials and lack of diverse examples shown to new artists during their training ruined it and took the personality out of sculptures.
Only people who actually worship and love these kind of shit are fascist zoomers who visited /pol/ too much and greeks who think they are holy race despite looking exactly same as turks they despise so much.

Nailed it. One of the reasons neonazi/alt-right thing could never truly take off and be taken seriously was that their most fervent supporters were unattractive compared to the ideal they shilled for. Every time they expose some activist who looks like he could as well be posting here.

I'm sure there are Nazis here, but that's more like an extracurricular. That's like me being a movie fan. It's a thing I do, but does it have to do with my inceldom?

There is a lot of low effort content that gets posted here for therapeutic reasons alone, and I don't blame anyone. Relax, stop being so uptight, coom if you need to, and enjoy a intellectually stimulating thread.

So it doesn't actually show the truly oppressed, thus betraying their ideals. Its idealism (propaganda) of a different kind. It still promotes largely unobtainable goals, just from a different perspective. And wojak isn't meant to be a normie figure. It was used by old /r9k/ before it was hijacked.

Communists were never concerned about the reality in which they actually existed, ardent materialists became idealist the moment scientific socialism showed it's limits, instead of discrediting it as a theory they clang to it as an ideal -- from there on it wasn't about dialectical materialism anymore, but the teachings of Marx and Lenin which needed to be force fed into reality.

 

[Dregster666]

no comment

 

[SupremeG]

It is not gay. It is aesthetic. You have no sense of art mate.

 

[Deleted member 19236]

nazis were homos

 

[slimshady]

Nazis were very normie.

 

[Arthas93]

I think you’re projecting a bit OP.

If you have latent fag desires then hey “let your freak flag fly” as your fellow degenerates would say but just don’t do it here since no faggots are allowed on this site.

In anycase I’ll take Arno Breker’s art any day (he made nude female statue art as well which you conveniently left out/ignored to push your “Nazis are fags!” Jew agenda) over this degenerate, ugly and vile Jew bullshit below.

View: https://youtu.be/CnbxO7P7Xnk

On point. Thanks @Fat Link

It boggles the mind how many (((them))) shills are here.
What did he expect them to portray? Obese, black aborigines? Anemic, asian midgets?

Funny how they try desperately to smear the image of a strong and united country. Things that they can't even dream of having in their "multicultural and diverse" shitholes.

I'm sure there are Nazis here, but that's more like an extracurricular. That's like me being a movie fan. It's a thing I do, but does it have to do with my inceldom?

He is just trying to mimic the normie/IT, dishonest argument:
"You spend your time watching movies? That's why you inkwell."
They know that one thing has nothing to do with the other, but they vomit that bullshit anyway.

It's the other way around. When a guy spend hours watching movies, or playing games, it's because the outside is not worth the effort. Because society doesn't allow him any opportunity to be part of it, no matter how much effort he puts into it.

Society wants ugly men to submit, and not ask for anything in return. Guys like OP want all males in the West to be cucks, gays and trannies. And to make us think that our ancestors and the cultures that shaped the West were all gays and cucks.

 

[Opus132]

Unrelated but that last picture is from 1950s and if I'm correct steroids weren't available around that time.

They were. just not widely used as they became in the 60s which is when monsters like Sergio Oliva and Arnold started to show up.

it conjures a deep historical depth to it: stark poverty, alienation, exploitation

There's a problem there in that you are looking at a false depth, or the inversion of depth.

If you look at traditional cultures, all their art pointing towards the transcendent, hence their sacred nature. The Renaissance threw that out of the window by introducing formalism which "lowered" the scope of art to the realm of the natural world rather than the world above ours. Eventually, this led to a revolt which however pointed downwards rather than upwards, to formlessness as a means to transcend the limits of form rather than using type of forms that were open to the infinite like in ancient art. The result is modern art, which is actually an anti-art that revels in what is below man because modern western culture cut him off from what is above him.

As for the Nazi, they tried to fight against the degeneration of modern art by attempting to resurrect form but all they managed to do is demonstrate the pitfalls of formalism to a greater extend than all those artificial religious paintings from the Renaissance onward.

True art is art that is not of this world but still points to higher reality as opposed to a lower one, unlike modern art:

And so on and so forth.

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

It boggles the mind how many (((them))) shills are here.
What did he expect them to portray? Obese, black aborigines? Anemic, asian midgets?

Society wants ugly men to submit, and not ask for anything in return. Guys like OP want all males in the West to be cucks, gays and trannies. And to make us think that our ancestors and the cultures that shaped the West were all gays and cucks.

This is your brain on american culture wars, lol -- I give you the maestro Van Gogh and you sperg into a rant about asian midgets and cuckolding, lmao -- does your mother know you interpret everything through a simple prism involving purple haired libtards vs. god fearing conservative men? Alt-rightoids truly are the symptom of the postmodern condition that is marked by the complete omnipresence of identity politics. Do you get pissed at pictures with mixed race kids on boxes of cereal too?

There's a problem there in that you are looking at a false depth, or the inversion of depth.

Lmao, the Van Gogh interpretation is an example of Heidegger's reading of art, do you think I'm pulling this shit out of my ass just to piss off stormcels here?

The result is modern art, which is actually an anti-art that revels in what is below man because modern western culture cut him off from what is above him.

As for the Nazi, they tried to fight against the degeneration of modern art by attempting to resurrect form but all they managed to do is demonstrate the pitfalls of formalism to a greater extend than all those artificial religious paintings from the Renaissance onward.

True art is art that is not of this world but still points to higher reality as opposed to a lower one, unlike modern art:

Why dwell in clouds when you killed god and you could point to the abymsall reality around you? Sounds blackpilled to me. Look at this monstrosity made by Jacob Epstein -- it's ugly, degenerate one my say, but it was made in the wake of WW1, marking a horrible epoch for humanity, where men are becoming one with machines in a modern motorized war.

The krauts on the other hand were busy making fit healthy men, supposedly protecting civilization, while they raped Poland, anexed Czechoslovakia and plunged Europe into a race war -- they were masking their own barbarism with mass produced simulacra and kitsch.

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

Cope. One of the main reasons nazis and fascists were based is that they celebrated masculinity whereas our modern cultural marxist culture celebrates femininity. Honor and loyalty vs degeneracy and whoredom. Incidentally it was not the nazis who made faggotry fashionable but the marxists did.

 

[BrapZilian]

Sigh pre-steroid bodybuilding was great

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

Cope. One of the main reasons nazis and fascists were based is that they celebrated masculinity whereas our modern cultural marxist culture celebrates femininity. Honor and loyalty vs degeneracy and whoredom. Incidentally it was not the nazis who made faggotry fashionable but the marxists did.

Marinetti shat his self-loving pants when Hitler wanted Italy to include futurism on the 'degenerate art' list and went begging Mussolini not to let the national socialist romanticist kitch of thatched cottages and smiling peasants creep back into Italy after the futurists declared that shit dead in in 1909. Lmao, futurism finally came to be, after flurishing for 20 years in Germany, suppressed from the Munich exhibition in 1936 together with decadent jew modernists.

 

[Opus132]

Why dwell in clouds when you killed god and you could point to the abymsall reality around you?

Nobody killed God, westerners just decided to move away from him and the results are plain.

But more to the point, why is focusing on nihilism, degeneracy, decadence or darkness in general "deep" but focusing on that which is higher than this reality naive, idealistic, or childish? Even on a basic level, if you think focusing on the "good" aspects of our existence creates an "idealized" distortion of reality i don't see how focusing on all that is ugly and depraved is any less "false", for not everything in the world is ugly and depraved, is it not? What kind of "meaning" are you deriving from those works anyway? Where's the "depth"?

This is notwithstanding the fact traditional arts weren't meant to falsely white wash reality but to elevate this world in lieu of another dimension, one that is superior to our own, the latter being seen as good only in so far as it reflects something of the higher reality in question. Traditional art is a reminder there is something greater than this world. I see modern art as a satanic inversion in that it seeks to downgrade reality, that is, the picture it paints is actually false if the object is to portray the world as it is, as it basically goes for the opposite extreme.

Even as a child i just didn't really understand why the "good" and "serious" art was always the ugliest or most nihilistic one. To me, there's no reason whatsoever to think the music of Schoenberg was more "profound" than that of Bach, quite the contrary in fact, but that is what we must believe according to the modern intelligentsia.

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

Nobody killed God, westerners just decided to move away from him and the results are plain.

But more to the point, why is focusing on nihilism, degeneracy, decadence or darkness in general "deep" but focusing on that which is higher than this reality naive, idealistic, or childish? Even on a basic level, if you think focusing on the "good" aspects of our existence creates an "idealized" distortion of reality i don't see how focusing on all that is ugly and depraved is any less "false", for not everything in the world is ugly and depraved, is it not? What kind of "meaning" are you deriving from those works anyway? Where's the "depth"?

This is notwithstanding the fact traditional arts weren't meant to falsely white wash reality but to elevate this world in lieu of another dimension, one that is superior to our own, the latter being seen as good only in so far as it reflects something of the higher reality in question. Traditional art is a reminder there is something greater than this world. I see modern art as a satanic inversion in that it seeks to downgrade reality, that is, the picture it paints is actually false if the object is to portray the world as it is, as it basically goes for the opposite extreme.

Even as a child i just didn't really understand why the "good" and "serious" art was always the ugliest or most nihilistic one. To me, there's no reason whatsoever to think the music of Schoenberg was more "profound" than that of Bach, quite the contrary in fact, but that is what we must believe according to the modern intelligentsia.

To borrow from the legendary anti-communist Milan Kundera: The problem tradcucks have with so called 'degenerate' art is bascially the concept of shit which poses a metaphysical dilemma to the theory of divine creation. Either shit is to be acceptable, as it's part of the creation, or there is no divine creation going on here. Just mortals who piss and shit. Kitsch acts like shit doesn't even exist, it outright denies it. When the Fuhrer took a massive dump on the whole Polish being, Arno Breker was there to sprinkle that dump with some eye candy --

-- Arno Brekers art isn't bad because it strives for an 'ideal'... it's worse because it was a work of conscious cowardice carefully excluding from its purview anything that was unacceptable to admit within the universe of the Third Reich. Nihilism, degeneracy, and darkness were part and parcel of how the nazi regime operated as it was willing to engage in mass murder and break the every commandment for the goal of Lebensraum -- pointing this out however would be considered 'degenerate'.

 

[OwlGod]

what are you talking about?

so... they're "gay" because there are males with fit body thus; aestheticism on it?

do you even realize that saying this is implying that all hero related stuff are gay? ;

"If you've watched any superhero cartoons or read any superhero comics as a kid or even as a full grown man then you're gay asf! you filthy homosexual! the creators and designers of these superheroes are all homosexuals too, and they have been successfully feminizing your mind!"



apply to most videogames and animes too, series & movies also etc...

everything related to male ideal aesthetics is gay according to you, which makes no sense whatsoever

 

[failmaxxed]

I find them quite aesthetic, they tell a story. Those kind of statues and art are meant to encapsulate and display and ideal, such as strength, struggle and nationalism. I understand why you find the statues to flawless and akin to a celebrity showoff, but its meant to show an ideal, even if that ideal cannot be reached.

Unrelated but that last picture is from 1950s and if I'm correct steroids weren't available around that time.

So that physique is naturally attainable?

yes but you would have to cut quite hard and dehydrate for a while before the photoshoot. Its how bodybuilders get their muscles to pop before a competition.

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

"If you've watched any superhero cartoons or read any superhero comics as a kid or even as a full grown man then you're gay asf! you filthy homosexual! the creators and designers of these superheroes are all homosexuals too, and they have been successfully feminizing your mind!"

This, but unironically.

I find them quite aesthetic, they tell a story. Those kind of statues and art are meant to encapsulate and display and ideal, such as strength, struggle and nationalism. I understand why you find the statues to flawless and akin to a celebrity showoff, but its meant to show an ideal, even if that ideal cannot be reached.

You just laid out the very definition of kitsch here perfectly -- a fake catharsis of the senses, much like a marvel movie. Yet the truly grotesque thing wasn't that it is flashy and idealistic, but that the nazis banned just about anything that infringed on kitsch, there was no escaping political kitsch in nazi germany. Imagine Kubrick and Scorsese getting banned in favor of a mravel universe becoming the only sanctioned style.