Discussion Why do women nowadays emphasize not needing men but men emphasize needing women?

[Limitcel]

Like women romanticize not needing men, not improving for men, not being pretty for men, girlboss

But men nowadays consume red pills on how to be successful in order to have women, they do lookism to get women, they discuss how they need women

In the past it wasn't like that, men existed more for themselves than for women, women were just one of the things

 

[Therapywasawaste]

Men get more desperate as women get more picky.

 

[HotDogCel]

Like women romanticize not needing men, not improving for men, not being pretty for men, girlboss

they mostly still need them. Those who say that are usualy onlyfan whores who get litteraly paid by men to be these disgusting cum dump whores. They just repeat what they hear in their pop music or tv show bc it is trendy and cool. Don't pay too much attention on what they say but look what they do

 

[Seahorsecel]

They do it out of contempt and hatred, but also to keep the gender power dynamic of men pandering to women to get with them. They don't want to give up their advantages over men in the dating scene and general life overall.

The red pill is men begging women to accept their provision. It's funny how redpillers trash on Simps when they are the biggest ones themselves.

In the past it wasn't like that, men existed more for themselves than for women, women were just one of the things

I disagree, men pandering to women is the default societal state. The past was not any better in that regard.

 

[Limitcel]

they mostly still need them. Those who say that are usualy onlyfan whores who get litteraly paid by men to be these disgusting cum dump whores. They just repeat what they hear in their pop music or tv show bc it is trendy and cool. Don't pay too much attention on what they say but look what they do

Didn't really say anything against my point, I don't know if they "need" that much
Also, in any case, the propaganda sold to women is this, while for men the propaganda sold is to do everything for women.

They do it out of contempt and hatred, but also to keep the gender power dynamic of men pandering to women to get with them. They don't want to give up their advantages over men in the dating scene and general life overall.

The red pill is men begging women to accept their provision. It's funny how redpillers trash on Simps when they are the biggest ones themselves.

So women try to be independent because they get advantage over men?

I disagree, men pandering to women is the default societal state. The past was not any better in that regard.

I don't see it honestly, not as much as nowadays, obviously we care about getting attention from the opposite sex as it's instinctive but to make it your life? I don't see men from the past being like that, not my father, not my uncles, not my grandfathers, nobody
They just met women naturally around life and didn't even care that much about them

 

[Kamanbert]

In the past it wasn't like that, men existed more for themselves than for women,

Cause there's something super insidious going on in countries with typical "western" values. It's two things coming at men at the same time : they're being desselected by women, yes, but on top of that, they're being treated with hostility by society at large, you see it with feminism in the public discourse or the monopoly they have over the entertainment industry, education, or their success in invading man spaces, etc, which makes simply having a strong identity and to value yourself as a man even more harder in this day and age. A life without a foid validating you in some way is a straight road to loneliness, depression and even suicide for most men and they'll do everything to not face this predicament.

 

[Kamanbert]

I disagree, men pandering to women is the default societal state. The past was not any better in that regard.

It is but i'd argue that it got even worse. And i mean like 10 times worse.

 

[underballer]

Like women romanticize not needing men, not improving for men, not being pretty for men, girlboss

But men nowadays consume red pills on how to be successful in order to have women, they do lookism to get women, they discuss how they need women

In the past it wasn't like that, men existed more for themselves than for women, women were just one of the things

Interesting the roles have reversed

 

[Seahorsecel]

So women try to be independent because they get advantage over men?

They don't really want to be "independent" Studies show that most HS girls prefer having a rich betabuxx over a career.

Women discourage other women from Improving for men to keep the societal norm of men being the provider and protector and women being the receiver, which advantages them.

 

[HotDogCel]

I don't know if they "need" that much

yes they need men, but not as husband anymore as they have social recognition/protection without being in relationship. Whitout men they would be in stone age

 

[Seahorsecel]

So women try to be independent because they get advantage over men?

In my opinion. when a woman states that she is independent, she is saying that the man must not expect anything from a relationship with her, while she still can expect things from him. They do this under the guise of equal relationships, which almost never happens due to women's innate dislike of male receivers.

 

[rcnfive]

Men get more desperate as women get more picky.

 

[Limitcel]

yes they need men, but not as husband anymore as they have social recognition/protection without being in relationship. Whitout men they would be in stone age

yes, I'm talking more in the sense that they don't need men in life to be happy or male approval

In my opinion. when a woman states that she is independent, she is saying that the man must not expect anything from a relationship with her, while she still can expect things from him. They do this under the guise of equal relationships, which almost never happens due to women's innate dislike of male receivers.

so women are "entitled"
but in relation to women who actually study or work and women who seek to get rich through pornography?
Wouldn't they be seeking independence?

 

[Seahorsecel]

so women are "entitled"
but in relation to women who actually study or work and women who seek to get rich through pornography?
Wouldn't they be seeking independence?

Women dislike/neutral about men in general, studies show that women prefer the company of other women over the company of men. Women who work/do pornography do not want to tolerate an ugly male provider, and would rather self-provide.

Basically, Women who work/do porn do so to avoid shacking up with a male for his provision/have not found a man attractive enough to tolerate. Some of these women eventually do, when they find out that one is easier than the other.

 

[Seahorsecel]

so women are "entitled"
but in relation to women who actually study or work and women who seek to get rich through pornography?
Wouldn't they be seeking independence?

Yes, do they seek independance because they prefer the company of other women and would rather work/do porn than shack up with her looksmatch betabuxx.

 

[ThisSongGoesVerHard]

It's biology, men are far more attracted to women than vice-versa so it's easier for women to forego men.

The tl;dr cause behind this is that evolutionary wise, they need to be very picky with men because they get pregnant, and they don't even need to be particularly attracted to men because men already are very attracted to women and will do all the chasing. They could be borderline asexual or lesbian and still have men simping for her.

 

[Limitcel]

It's biology, men are far more attracted to women than vice-versa so it's easier for women to forego men.

The tl;dr cause behind this is that evolutionary wise, they need to be very picky with men because they get pregnant, and they don't even need to be particularly attracted to men because men already are very attracted to women and will do all the chasing. They could be borderline asexual or lesbian and still have men simping for her.

think there are factors, but in general it is something modern
the modern male way of thinking is extremely oversocialized

 

[SmhChan]

Cause there's something super insidious going on in countries with typical "western" values. It's two things coming at men at the same time : they're being desselected by women, yes, but on top of that, they're being treated with hostility by society at large, you see it with feminism in the public discourse or the monopoly they have over the entertainment industry, education, or their success in invading man spaces, etc, which makes simply having a strong identity and to value yourself as a man even more harder in this day and age. A life without a foid validating you in some way is a straight road to loneliness, depression and even suicide for most men and they'll do everything to not face this predicament.

It is but i'd argue that it got even worse. And i mean like 10 times worse.

Good observation.

I remember I was pretty ambitious, despite lacking in talent, while approaching 18. The society just became hostile as fuck to me after I entered college. I did have a crush, but it never influenced other aspects of my life. My identity needing to revolve around me being a family-man started getting stronger as I got more depressed by the hostility of the society. I think you may be right that we don't really crave foid-intimacy as much as we think in the following comment. It's just society is just hellbent on denying us even the bare minimum.

Men probably wouldn't care about foids' opinion of them much either if foids were treated like second-class citizens, and rightfully so. IT IS the great equalizer. Never before were men collectively so jealous of whores. Why is it? Because they make far more money and face no social shaming now, that too at the cost of men paying the price. Actually, men are insanely jealous of foids in general. They just don't wanna admit it. It's a feeling of complete worthlessness when you see a financially independent foid, which is almost all modern foids.

I sure as hell wouldn't care if foids were having orgies with chads in mud-huts as long as their livelihoods were severely bad. Men don't really enjoy company of foids. You can see it in their eyes. The loneliness and the lack of identity coupled with our sexual drive made us hyper-focus on this overly romanticized idea of spending time with a foid.

Hopefully, at this rate, men might eventually start to base their identity around always keeping foids down RADICALLY.

 

[Kamanbert]

I remember I was pretty ambitious, despite lacking in talent, while approaching 18. The society just became hostile as fuck to me after I entered college. I did have a crush, but it never influenced other aspects of my life. My identity needing to revolve around me being a family-man started getting stronger as I got more depressed by the hostility of the society. . I think you may be right that we don't really crave foid-intimacy as much as we think in the following comment. It's just society is just hellbent on denying us even the bare minimum.

Yeah it's typically because we start to feel the heat as we age. It's seem so obvious to me that the last thing the world needs is another single man.

You're bound to become, in the eyes of others 1) a weirdo than will act as, or rather will manage to, get tolerated as a third wheel. AT BEST. Because what comes next is...

2) a loser that will be openly shat upon 3) more potential competition for foids, making you the target of incessant normie one-upmanship 4) a dangerous single male creep, potential rapist/pedo that hasn't been vetted by his goddess to truly enter society. Those are strictly in relation to other people. I'd say that this actually starts at puberty but is more or less pronounced depending on the environment, but it fully kicks in as you become older as an adult.

The other layer of this is the broken interiority, as you said :

The loneliness and the lack of identity coupled with our sexual drive

Loneliness and sexual starvation are kinda self explanatory.

But the lack of identity is rather new and totally soyciety's fault. I kinda touched on this subject in another thread recently but i dont know if i made myself clear enough. A man does not really have a strong identity nowadays cause identity is, no matter what anyone says, strongly gendered. Guys nowadays can't naturally cultivate it in their interiority, because it's universally discouraged and looked down on to perceive anything as intrinsically male, in the name of egality and inclusivity... while at the same time, women still have a demand, although in a vague and often self-interested way, for gender roles and society at large still judge you through those roles. So yeah good point to mention it cause it definitely has it's place next to the other two factors. It's confusing and a source of mental anguish, and i'd like to point out that there's nothing virtuous behind it, cause leftists and others like to euphemize it by using fancy sentences like it's an "evolving change of paradigm " or some shit when in reality it's just permanent male abuse, an ongoing mutilation of the male polarity and it will never fucking change. They'd retort that then, a man should "just strive to be a good human being " but as i said, when you interact with people, especially the other sex, or even just walk down the street, no one sees you as just a "human being" this is some stupid leftist ideologue utopia.

made us hyper-focus on this overly romanticized idea of spending time with a foid.

Yeah as i already said it a few times on this forum, guys nowadays actually hide behind women's skirts because of this toxic zeitgeist, no matter how openly awful they can be, they will ignore all the redflags, everything, to be with one. But this is not a volcel manifesto, i mean, this rather acts on it's own and it's not really our fault, as @Limitcel said it's more like an oversocialized reflex.

 

[Kamanbert]

It's crazy that the more the F polarity gets emboldened, abrasive... the more men grovel at it's feet

 

[LOLI BREEDING]

because femshits can be convinced of anything and everything by shlomo

 

[Kamanbert]

because femshits can be convinced of anything and everything by shlomo

Your avi is the fucking best. We need our beloved patriarchy back This woman was actually super happy with him and they had like 7 kids or something. Cause yeah not every man is a bad pos or something.

 

[LOLI BREEDING]

Your avi is the fucking best. We need our beloved patriarchy back This woman was actually super happy with him and they had like 7 kids or something. Cause yeah not every man is a bad pos or something.

thanks fellow wizardcel yes what a beautiful couple

 

[Kamanbert]

thanks fellow wizardcel yes what a beautiful couple

 

[Limitcel]

Yeah it's typically because we start to feel the heat as we age. It's seem so obvious to me that the last thing the world needs is another single man.

You're bound to become, in the eyes of others 1) a weirdo than will act as, or rather will manage to, get tolerated as a third wheel. AT BEST. Because what comes next is...

2) a loser that will be openly shat upon 3) more potential competition for foids, making you the target of incessant normie one-upmanship 4) a dangerous single male creep, potential rapist/pedo that hasn't been vetted by his goddess to truly enter society. Those are strictly in relation to other people. I'd say that this actually starts at puberty but is more or less pronounced depending on the environment, but it fully kicks in as you become older as an adult.

The other layer of this is the broken interiority, as you said :


Loneliness and sexual starvation are kinda self explanatory.

But the lack of identity is rather new and totally soyciety's fault. I kinda touched on this subject in another thread recently but i dont know if i made myself clear enough. A man does not really have a strong identity nowadays cause identity is, no matter what anyone says, strongly gendered. Guys nowadays can't naturally cultivate it in their interiority, because it's universally discouraged and looked down on to perceive anything as intrinsically male, in the name of egality and inclusivity... while at the same time, women still have a demand, although in a vague and often self-interested way, for gender roles and society at large still judge you through those roles. So yeah good point to mention it cause it definitely has it's place next to the other two factors. It's confusing and a source of mental anguish, and i'd like to point out that there's nothing virtuous behind it, cause leftists and others like to euphemize it by using fancy sentences like it's an "evolving change of paradigm " or some shit when in reality it's just permanent male abuse, an ongoing mutilation of the male polarity and it will never fucking change. They'd retort that then, a man should "just strive to be a good human being " but as i said, when you interact with people, especially the other sex, or even just walk down the street, no one sees you as just a "human being" this is some stupid leftist ideologue utopia.


Yeah as i already said it a few times on this forum, guys nowadays actually hide behind women's skirts because of this toxic zeitgeist, no matter how openly awful they can be, they will ignore all the redflags, everything, to be with one. But this is not a volcel manifesto, i mean, this rather acts on it's own and it's not really our fault, as @Limitcel said it's more like an oversocialized reflex.

Yes, the zeitgeist is feminine, that's the best definition

In female society a man's value is based on how much female approval he gets.

I think it's impossible to be genuinely respected these days if you don't have female approval, virginity is a joke, all of a man's value today is based on how cool he is because that way he has sex with more women

I may be talking nonsense and exalting myself, but today's heroes are purely aesthetic, they are not admired for their ethical principles, for helping the neighborhood, they are admired for how good looking and cool they appear to be

 

[Deleted User 451254]

Men get more desperate as women get more picky.

Sounds like hell.

 

[KinkyKanga]

Men get more desperate as women get more picky.

 

[KinkyKanga]

Sounds like hell.

"Female choosiness."

 

[Kamanbert]

Yes, the zeitgeist is feminine, that's the best definition

In female society a man's value is based on how much female approval he gets.

I think it's impossible to be genuinely respected these days if you don't have female approval, virginity is a joke, all of a man's value today is based on how cool he is because that way he has sex with more women

I may be talking nonsense and exalting myself, but today's heroes are purely aesthetic, they are not admired for their ethical principles, for helping the neighborhood, they are admired for how good looking and cool they appear to be

Simple as. The ultimate measure of value for a man nowadays is clearly his success with women or his subservience to them. No matter what you might achieve, there's just too much shit coming in between your individuality and the way the modern world perceives you as a single man, which often means loneliness. But then they wonder why there's a muh male loneliness epidemic.

 

[My Name Jeff]

it makes me angry thinking about

 

[SmhChan]

Yeah it's typically because we start to feel the heat as we age. It's seem so obvious to me that the last thing the world needs is another single man.

You're bound to become, in the eyes of others 1) a weirdo than will act as, or rather will manage to, get tolerated as a third wheel. AT BEST. Because what comes next is...

2) a loser that will be openly shat upon 3) more potential competition for foids, making you the target of incessant normie one-upmanship 4) a dangerous single male creep, potential rapist/pedo that hasn't been vetted by his goddess to truly enter society. Those are strictly in relation to other people. I'd say that this actually starts at puberty but is more or less pronounced depending on the environment, but it fully kicks in as you become older as an adult.

It's the presence of foids. I don't know what it does to men, but it really turns us into our worst selfs. College was so fucking soulless. It didn't take me long to realize it because of the co-ed nature of it. School curriculums were ironically much more thought-provoking. It wasn't totally foid-centric. But fuck me, when I went to college, it was fucking insipid, all about memorizing and bullshitting.

Same thing in the job market. Chances of getting a job in corpos and banks are going to get thinner and thinner even though guys are far more productive. They will just burn money because it's all about the ideology of exploiting the man till his dying breath. The plan seems pretty obvious. Delegate all the blue-collar jobs to men and hire few talented wagecels to do the work of 10s.

The most piss-boiling thing is how these shitbag 'top men' come out with statements like how foid workers are better when we all know it's the few guys in the backroom, on the verge of a breakdown, keeping things running.

Just look at this shit. This is like the life of every other guy in Curryland.

 

[SocialOutkast95]

Men have a harsher sex drive than foids, so it's real easy for foids to get bored and be needy about non-sexual activities. Men on the other hand, we're hardwired to fuck, so we get desperate and sad if we can't get what we want. Tho, the whole "foids don't need a man" meme... "like a fish doesn't need a bicycle" type of shit... is only interweb-based. IRL, foids can't do shit by themselves without men literally creating and dictating everything around them. If we all collectively decided to stop working, the economy (worldwide) would collapse overnight. Their electricity, plumbing, etc. would all be gone. So... who really needs who at the end of the day?

 

[SmhChan]

Loneliness and sexual starvation are kinda self explanatory.

But the lack of identity is rather new and totally soyciety's fault. I kinda touched on this subject in another thread recently but i dont know if i made myself clear enough. A man does not really have a strong identity nowadays cause identity is, no matter what anyone says, strongly gendered. Guys nowadays can't naturally cultivate it in their interiority, because it's universally discouraged and looked down on to perceive anything as intrinsically male, in the name of egality and inclusivity... while at the same time, women still have a demand, although in a vague and often self-interested way, for gender roles and society at large still judge you through those roles. So yeah good point to mention it cause it definitely has it's place next to the other two factors. It's confusing and a source of mental anguish, and i'd like to point out that there's nothing virtuous behind it, cause leftists and others like to euphemize it by using fancy sentences like it's an "evolving change of paradigm " or some shit when in reality it's just permanent male abuse, an ongoing mutilation of the male polarity and it will never fucking change. They'd retort that then, a man should "just strive to be a good human being " but as i said, when you interact with people, especially the other sex, or even just walk down the street, no one sees you as just a "human being" this is some stupid leftist ideologue utopia.

Yeah as i already said it a few times on this forum, guys nowadays actually hide behind women's skirts because of this toxic zeitgeist, no matter how openly awful they can be, they will ignore all the redflags, everything, to be with one. But this is not a volcel manifesto, i mean, this rather acts on it's own and it's not really our fault, as @

@Limitcel said it's more like an oversocialized reflex.

Since, the barrier to entry in STEM in Curryland is absurdly high, I went with a course that had mostly foid students. I tell you man; it was an absolute hell. The guys were absolute cringe to talk to. Neither them nor foids were even a bit interesting in conversations. It became quite apparent foids' presence totally destroys the nerd-culture of men.

Foids just coast through these degrees because of the bias in grading and the natural tendency of modern education system to reward memorization and bullshitting. Then they walk into jobs using their sexuality and halo.

Another contributing factor is how society also sees competitions between foids and competitions between men differently. Apparently, one of, if not the best foid cricketer plays multiple sports professionally. But when Mcgregor tried to compete in boxing, there was so much mockery thrown at him. Society promotes male competitions to the extreme end, yet it never criticizes the standards of foid professionals when a player steamrolls all the competition while also playing another sport. Rather, it's framed in a way to take jabs at male professionals. JFL. They have been trying to destroy male idols in sports for a while, the last bastion.

What you said in the other post really resonates with me. I think the thing is for men, unless you bring money with your hobby or passion, it will not be tolerated. Naturally every guy turned into a money-chasing drones or mostly a depressed doomer with a sense of complete worthlessness because he cannot compete with the whole world. It's been like this since long. Society would rather have another drunk and depressed reprobate than allow men's hobbies to exist. It fuels their agenda of keeping the blame to men. On the other hand, society goes out of its way to cater to foids' interests, no matter how uninteresting and insipid those are. The simple reason being they are foids. Like men would literally pay thousands to hear a foid talk. That whore ironmouse or whatever being the most subbed shows how bad shit really is. An understatement. It's likely you are so thirsty; you're paying to drink out of a sewer.

As for Gender roles, at least the modern concept, it's bullshit like masculinity and femininity is. In a truly masculine society, true femininity wouldn't exist. True femininity is whoring out your essence for materialistic gains, that is confused for animus. Modern gender roles solely exist for transfer of wealth, and it's purely for ideological reasons. If you gave men incentives to spend, they would too, as evidence by their addiction to vidya skins.

Yes, they don't see you as humans. Even if you're good at something, they will do everything in their ability to make you feel little. It's a foid trait, causing drama and then blaming you for 'not being able to read their minds'. Men just take it in jest and laugh it off. Fucking morons. If men pulled that sort of shits, foids would off themselves in a week. I have seen how hysterical foids get they get remotely gaslit. Just disgraceful animals.

 

[Based NaziCel]

Needing or not needing, a foid will always emphasise with you as long as you’re good looking.If you ask why foids emphasise with other foids it’s because even tought they bully and hate each other, they should stay united and keep the men bluepilled because they don’t want a society full of blackpilled incels who acknowledge their evil nature

 

[Limitcel]

Incels are a fucking goyslop

 

[Layollyus II]

Incels are a fucking goyslop

Bruh

 

[SmhChan]

It's biology, men are far more attracted to women than vice-versa so it's easier for women to forego men.

The tl;dr cause behind this is that evolutionary wise, they need to be very picky with men because they get pregnant, and they don't even need to be particularly attracted to men because men already are very attracted to women and will do all the chasing. They could be borderline asexual or lesbian and still have men simping for her.

Tbh, I always found the evolutionary explanation to be a cucked justification for foids' hypergamy. It just so happens to justify foids' sexual monopoly and them greatly benefitting from it.

These same evolutionary cucks would ree about men caging foids in a traditional society and denying them agencies, even though it makes perfect sense from men's evolutionary standpoint, and they have continuously been shamed from upholding it further. These cucks say the reason behind foids' hypergamy is male absence during pregnancy. If only majority of men actually did it, there'd be moral outrage. These fuckers take men's goodwill too much for granted.

 

[Limitcel]

Cause there's something super insidious going on in countries with typical "western" values. It's two things coming at men at the same time : they're being desselected by women, yes, but on top of that, they're being treated with hostility by society at large, you see it with feminism in the public discourse or the monopoly they have over the entertainment industry, education, or their success in invading man spaces, etc, which makes simply having a strong identity and to value yourself as a man even more harder in this day and age. A life without a foid validating you in some way is a straight road to loneliness, depression and even suicide for most men and they'll do everything to not face this predicament.

The thing is sex itself as sold everywhere as the most definitive way to define how cool a person is can basically be summed up as how much a man receives female approval.

 

[CEO of Simps]

Men get more desperate as women get more picky.

 

[Limitcel]

Yes, the zeitgeist is feminine, that's the best definition

In female society a man's value is based on how much female approval he gets.

I think it's impossible to be genuinely respected these days if you don't have female approval, virginity is a joke, all of a man's value today is based on how cool he is because that way he has sex with more women

I may be talking nonsense and exalting myself, but today's heroes are purely aesthetic, they are not admired for their ethical principles, for helping the neighborhood, they are admired for how good looking and cool they appear to be

Forgot that