Discussion Why do women nowadays emphasize not needing men but men emphasize needing women?

[Limitcel]

Like women romanticize not needing men, not improving for men, not being pretty for men, girlboss

But men nowadays consume red pills on how to be successful in order to have women, they do lookism to get women, they discuss how they need women

In the past it wasn't like that, men existed more for themselves than for women, women were just one of the things

 

[Therapywasawaste]

Men get more desperate as women get more picky.

 

[HotDogCel]

Like women romanticize not needing men, not improving for men, not being pretty for men, girlboss

they mostly still need them. Those who say that are usualy onlyfan whores who get litteraly paid by men to be these disgusting cum dump whores. They just repeat what they hear in their pop music or tv show bc it is trendy and cool. Don't pay too much attention on what they say but look what they do

 

[Seahorsecel]

They do it out of contempt and hatred, but also to keep the gender power dynamic of men pandering to women to get with them. They don't want to give up their advantages over men in the dating scene and general life overall.

The red pill is men begging women to accept their provision. It's funny how redpillers trash on Simps when they are the biggest ones themselves.

In the past it wasn't like that, men existed more for themselves than for women, women were just one of the things

I disagree, men pandering to women is the default societal state. The past was not any better in that regard.

 

[Limitcel]

they mostly still need them. Those who say that are usualy onlyfan whores who get litteraly paid by men to be these disgusting cum dump whores. They just repeat what they hear in their pop music or tv show bc it is trendy and cool. Don't pay too much attention on what they say but look what they do

Didn't really say anything against my point, I don't know if they "need" that much
Also, in any case, the propaganda sold to women is this, while for men the propaganda sold is to do everything for women.

They do it out of contempt and hatred, but also to keep the gender power dynamic of men pandering to women to get with them. They don't want to give up their advantages over men in the dating scene and general life overall.

The red pill is men begging women to accept their provision. It's funny how redpillers trash on Simps when they are the biggest ones themselves.

So women try to be independent because they get advantage over men?

I disagree, men pandering to women is the default societal state. The past was not any better in that regard.

I don't see it honestly, not as much as nowadays, obviously we care about getting attention from the opposite sex as it's instinctive but to make it your life? I don't see men from the past being like that, not my father, not my uncles, not my grandfathers, nobody
They just met women naturally around life and didn't even care that much about them

 

[Kamanbert]

In the past it wasn't like that, men existed more for themselves than for women,

Cause there's something super insidious going on in countries with typical "western" values. It's two things coming at men at the same time : they're being desselected by women, yes, but on top of that, they're being treated with hostility by society at large, you see it with feminism in the public discourse or the monopoly they have over the entertainment industry, education, or their success in invading man spaces, etc, which makes simply having a strong identity and to value yourself as a man even more harder in this day and age. A life without a foid validating you in some way is a straight road to loneliness, depression and even suicide for most men and they'll do everything to not face this predicament.

 

[Kamanbert]

I disagree, men pandering to women is the default societal state. The past was not any better in that regard.

It is but i'd argue that it got even worse. And i mean like 10 times worse.

 

[underballer]

Like women romanticize not needing men, not improving for men, not being pretty for men, girlboss

But men nowadays consume red pills on how to be successful in order to have women, they do lookism to get women, they discuss how they need women

In the past it wasn't like that, men existed more for themselves than for women, women were just one of the things

Interesting the roles have reversed

 

[Seahorsecel]

So women try to be independent because they get advantage over men?

They don't really want to be "independent" Studies show that most HS girls prefer having a rich betabuxx over a career.

Women discourage other women from Improving for men to keep the societal norm of men being the provider and protector and women being the receiver, which advantages them.

 

[HotDogCel]

I don't know if they "need" that much

yes they need men, but not as husband anymore as they have social recognition/protection without being in relationship. Whitout men they would be in stone age

 

[Seahorsecel]

So women try to be independent because they get advantage over men?

In my opinion. when a woman states that she is independent, she is saying that the man must not expect anything from a relationship with her, while she still can expect things from him. They do this under the guise of equal relationships, which almost never happens due to women's innate dislike of male receivers.

 

[rcnfive]

Men get more desperate as women get more picky.

 

[Limitcel]

yes they need men, but not as husband anymore as they have social recognition/protection without being in relationship. Whitout men they would be in stone age

yes, I'm talking more in the sense that they don't need men in life to be happy or male approval

In my opinion. when a woman states that she is independent, she is saying that the man must not expect anything from a relationship with her, while she still can expect things from him. They do this under the guise of equal relationships, which almost never happens due to women's innate dislike of male receivers.

so women are "entitled"
but in relation to women who actually study or work and women who seek to get rich through pornography?
Wouldn't they be seeking independence?

 

[Seahorsecel]

so women are "entitled"
but in relation to women who actually study or work and women who seek to get rich through pornography?
Wouldn't they be seeking independence?

Women dislike/neutral about men in general, studies show that women prefer the company of other women over the company of men. Women who work/do pornography do not want to tolerate an ugly male provider, and would rather self-provide.

Basically, Women who work/do porn do so to avoid shacking up with a male for his provision/have not found a man attractive enough to tolerate. Some of these women eventually do, when they find out that one is easier than the other.

 

[Seahorsecel]

so women are "entitled"
but in relation to women who actually study or work and women who seek to get rich through pornography?
Wouldn't they be seeking independence?

Yes, do they seek independance because they prefer the company of other women and would rather work/do porn than shack up with her looksmatch betabuxx.

 

[ThisSongGoesVerHard]

It's biology, men are far more attracted to women than vice-versa so it's easier for women to forego men.

The tl;dr cause behind this is that evolutionary wise, they need to be very picky with men because they get pregnant, and they don't even need to be particularly attracted to men because men already are very attracted to women and will do all the chasing. They could be borderline asexual or lesbian and still have men simping for her.

 

[Limitcel]

It's biology, men are far more attracted to women than vice-versa so it's easier for women to forego men.

The tl;dr cause behind this is that evolutionary wise, they need to be very picky with men because they get pregnant, and they don't even need to be particularly attracted to men because men already are very attracted to women and will do all the chasing. They could be borderline asexual or lesbian and still have men simping for her.

think there are factors, but in general it is something modern
the modern male way of thinking is extremely oversocialized