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"Mark 11:24 - Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."

There are no conditionals on this verse. This is proof the bible is verifiable false. This isn't the only verse in the bible that doesn't line up with objective reality.

The brain is an organ that can make us believe very deeply in things that are not true. Part of that is repetition, hearing the same story over and over, and part of that is the brain being inclined to believe what other people around profess to believe.
You are missing the first part of that passage.

Mark 11:22-23 = “Have faith in God,” Jesus answered. “Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.

In order to pray to God you first have to believe in God. You also have to believe in His plan for us. Obviously no one truly believes a mountain will throw itself into the sea, Jesus knows that. But if you truly believe it is God's will that you receive blessings, or a gift of courage, or even a wife, you can pray for it and receive it, albeit maybe not in the way you think. You may ask for a wife but instead receive contentedness with your current situation. You may ask for courage and be given an opportunity to demonstrate courage. All of this first of all requires full, absolute belief in God, which goes far beyond "yes I believe there is a god."
 
You may ask for a wife but instead receive contentedness with your current situation. You may ask for courage and be given an opportunity to demonstrate courage.
Mark 11:24 doesn't say this. It says "whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours". It doesn't say I'll give you what you really need, not what you ask for.

People ignore what the bible actually says, in order to continue believing it. This is cognitive bias.
All of this first of all requires full, absolute belief in God, which goes far beyond "yes I believe there is a god."
Matthew 17:20-21 "For truly I tell you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you."

The key here is faith the size of a mustard seed.

Again another verse contradicting the kinds of beliefs people have to make up in order to continue believing religious myths.

The "You didn't believe hard enough" is also what Law of Attraction people use to continue believing their pseudo-science craziness. But Christians can't get away so easily with this weaselly narrative, because their book that they claim is god's word specifically says "faith the size of a mustard seed".

You'd have to believe every christian who's ever lost a child or family member to cancer, didn't even have "faith the size of a mustard seed". Or be ignorant of what the bible actually says, as most christians are.
 
I don't need Christians, and didn't notice any until May of last year.
 
Tbh I should just go join a monastic order at this point. I'm almost 30 and still celibate. I have talents as an engineer so I could help bring in funds that way instead of having to package beer or something. I am starting to see less of a reason to be out in the world. Even the relationship bit aside, I just dislike most people and most things. Anyway most people here are degenerate so seeking Jesus isn't an option.
 
Mark 11:24 doesn't say this. It says "whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours". It doesn't say I'll give you what you really need, not what you ask for.

People ignore what the bible actually says, in order to continue believing it. This is cognitive bias.

Matthew 17:20-21 "For truly I tell you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you."

The key here is faith the size of a mustard seed.

Again another verse contradicting the kinds of beliefs people have to make up in order to continue believing religious myths.

The "You didn't believe hard enough" is also what Law of Attraction people use to continue believing their pseudo-science craziness. But Christians can't get away so easily with this weaselly narrative, because their book that they claim is god's word specifically says "faith the size of a mustard seed".

You'd have to believe every christian who's ever lost a child or family member to cancer, didn't even have "faith the size of a mustard seed". Or be ignorant of what the bible actually says, as most christians are.
If you take the Matthew verse at face value then the disciples literally have no faith since a mustard seed is so small. I'd hazard a guess as to the statement being encouragement rather than Jesus saying the only guys who believe in him, don't. The verse doesn't stand out as flagrant in the frame of the rest of the story.
 
Or be ignorant of what the bible actually says, as most christians are.
You have to be braindead to think that you, an online incel, are just so enlightened to the "truth" of atheism after tens of thousands of people 100x smarter than you have spent the last 2,000 years examining every single aspect of the faith and debating every part of it to death and back again, and all of them continued to hold to their faith until their deaths, leading extremely holy and worthwhile lives as a result.

The only ignoramus here is you.
 
instead of dwelling in being a horrib person grow a pair and make yourself into an actual fucking man
I agree. I work in a church myself and i'm not Christian. The people i work with who are Christians are just the same as normies, no difference at all just more cringy.

Abrahamic religions are cucked. I love every religion except for Christianity, islam and Judaism.
 
I agree. I work in a church myself and i'm not Christian. The people i work with who are Christians are just the same as normies, no difference at all just more cringy.

Abrahamic religions are cucked. I love every religion except for Christianity, islam and Judaism.
dude same here. abrahamic faiths can just go fuck themselves along with socialism and liberalism
 
You have to be braindead to think that you, an online incel, are just so enlightened to the "truth" of atheism after tens of thousands of people 100x smarter than you have spent the last 2,000 years examining every single aspect of the faith and debating every part of it to death and back again, and all of them continued to hold to their faith until their deaths, leading extremely holy and worthwhile lives as a result.

The only ignoramus here is you.
That's not an argument. I literally showed you the bible makes provably false claims.

Again you're making a provable false claim in order to continue believing lies. You're insinuating intelligence is positively correlated with religiosity. You can lookup any study on the subject, and find that religiosity is negatively correlated with intelligence. In other words, the more intelligent you are the less likely you are to be religious.

If there were so many "debates" on the subject as you claim, you'd be able to find some argument that coherently explains Mark 11:24. And all of the other provable false claims the bible makes, but I don't want to confuse you so I'm focusing only on one. There are essays written on the subject, and the kind of mental gymnastics you have to go through to continue believing provable, and testable false claims is laughable.

But I'll give you a rundown of a mental gymnastic that's popular with christians that read the bible, but still want to believe despite it making false claims over and over. (Link below)


Essentially, Christians believe that if you are a christian you'll want the world to change in ways that god wants it to change. Then you'll ask god for what he wants the world to be and he'll change the world to be like that.

This is a cleaver bit of mental gymnastics that people who really want to believe came up with, but it's not clever enough. The problem is, it's testable false.

If this were true, you'd be able to predict cancer survival rates by asking christians if they want people to die. Or at least predict some of the survival rates, asking christian believers, if they desire any of those with cancer to survive. Sure you could do more mental gymnastics, and say that there are so few people that are actually christian, that you can't use christian desires to predict events in this way. But the continued mental gymnastics starts to get ridiculous.

A lot of the time people leave Christianity and go to Wokeism, or some other belief set with provable false claims because most people aren't equipped to protect themselves from false beliefs. People jump from one false belief set to another.

But I'm going to equip anyone who's reading this for one way to find beliefs that have a greater chance of being true:


Make your beliefs pay rent in predicting your future.
 
If you take the Matthew verse at face value then the disciples literally have no faith since a mustard seed is so small. I'd hazard a guess as to the statement being encouragement rather than Jesus saying the only guys who believe in him, don't. The verse doesn't stand out as flagrant in the frame of the rest of the story.
Yah, a way of continuing to believe is by imagining christians can't do miracles because none of them even have a mustard seed of belief that Christianity is true. As someone who grew believing the bible, I know this idea that there are no true christians, isn't true.

This is a good read on free floating beliefs, and making beliefs pay rent in predicting experiences.

 
Yah, a way of continuing to believe is by imagining christians can't do miracles because none of them even have a mustard seed of belief that Christianity is true. As someone who grew believing the bible, I know this idea that there are no true christians, isn't true.

This is a good read on free floating beliefs, and making beliefs pay rent in predicting experiences.

That’s all well and good, my point is moreso about the misinterpretation of the verse considering the disciples, in reality, would have had faith as a mustard seed.
 
i don’t believe in god
 
That’s all well and good, my point is moreso about the misinterpretation of the verse considering the disciples, in reality, would have had faith as a mustard seed.
Thanks.

Yah moral systems based around how much you believe something are pretty effective at keeping a large group of people believing things that are not based in reality.

Modern examples of this are "Believe all women", "All people are racist", "Black people are oppressed", "One in four women has been raped", "all cops are bastards", "police are racist", "police are killing black people unjustifiable". If you don't believe any of these things you're seen as evil, despite the evidence not supporting them.

Then you have the vilification of non-believers. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are the result of thousands of years of religious evolution, starting with polytheistic religions and gradually simplifying and evolving to better take advantage of human minds.

But it's shocking how quickly new religions, can arise in the absence of these older religions. Human brains are evolved for superstitious and religious group belief systems.
 
Lots of proud edgy Satanists faggots try to rebel for the sake of it
After being on here for so long, the people on this site are honestly more degenerate than the average normie I come across. The only difference is no one here can get laid
 

This argument in particular makes no sense considering Christianity is not indigenous to the West. Even Africa has abandoned the “juju” and mostly follows an Abrahamic religion. The obvious retort to this is that most religious people have abandoned their indigenous gods and willingly chose to believe in the same God.

Apply that same logic to democracy. Should I not defend democracy because I was born into it? Even though the founding fathers carefully crafted an ideology and my parents willingly moved here, I should consider it no better than authoritarianism, and the US worse than NK? Poor argument that doesn’t even answer the question at hand, typical of Atheists.
 
Because of convenience and social benefit.
People decided to convert to something foreign because of convenience and social benefit?

And yes, it is 100% a strawman, no worse than his shitty argument that completely ignored her question. Fire with fire.

You should not. Defend only what you know is real and true. Ideals impressed onto since yputh should be abandoned in light of some reasonable discourse.

Dogmatic beliefs are never testable nor dependable.
The point is not that I defend Democracy just because I was born into it but mocking the idea that I shouldn’t defend it because it was thrust upon me.
 
Meekness and forgiving your enemies doesn't fly with me. I still fantasize about disemboweling my childhood bullies, past shitty bosses, foids that feigned interest in me for money or answers to homework, and the random low-inhib niggers that tried to pick fights with me for no reason whatsoever

I can't respect, much less worship, a "God" who has been stripped, publicly humiliated, and executed.

Christianity basically waters down and makes the cultures that adopt it bland.

Christianity gives people the excuse to behave like assholes, only to say "only God forgives". Virtually all devout Christians are fucking jerks

On that last point above, Christians do nice things because "God asks that of them"....if God has to tell you to do something, then you're not a good person
 
I had high hopes for this post, but I am disappointed. You are not pitching Christianity, but soystianity.

This meek nonsense is an English-only translation artifact; when KJV was translated, meek meant self-controlled, not a bitch-made pussy. Work that into your new understanding of that verse. See how it agrees with how Jesus is almost always telling people to start exercising self-control.

That about first and last, it is unfortunately said that way in one place, and in another it is "and some who are among the first will be among the last, [and vice versa]," i.e., the hierarchy in heaven is different that that on earth, not a direct reversal. Being a loser on earth is not a clever strategy for being a winner in heaven. You can be successful in life and holy, it's not easy, but your success doesn't count against you, only your sins do.

Modern Christians would greatly benefit from reading the old testament, specifically the books of Moses where the law is laid down. Because the gospels are careful not to contradict the law, but rather clarify and expound it. The gospels contain very few new commandments, and an explicit statement that the law of Moses is not repealed! Matthew 5:17-20

It is by the old testament that Jesus could be known to be the messiah, and it is the old testament that he cites, and it is the old testament law that he preaches and denounces the Pharisees for perverting. The old testament lays the groundwork without which the gospels are incomprehensible. That is why soystianity, which stresses the gospels and rejects the old testament, is the joke that it is. Not a letter has passed from the old testament, contrary to what the bullshit artists in man-dresses might try to tell you. Jesus even expects his followers to continue to observe the Sabbath (Matthew 24:20).

If you're going to call yourself Christpilled, take the real Christpill, not the hydrogenated soybean oil pill the bullshitters in man-dresses dispense.
 
Yes, Christianity was imposed onto conquered people which ultimately altered what was socially acceptable.
That's not universally true. The first converts were even persecuted. Even amongst Christianity, people switch to unfavorable denominations. Take America for example.
Well, if Democracy is so expedient a form of government, why would you not defend it?

If everyone around you conforms to some collection of dogmatic edicts and beliefs, why should you not as well?

Perhaps you lack the intellectual integrity necessary to rescind social dogma in favor of truth.
This is exactly why I think his rebuttal of her question was so silly and why applying his logic towards him seemed fallacious to you. Anyways, ad hominem or something
 
This argument in particular makes no sense considering Christianity is not indigenous to the West. Even Africa has abandoned the “juju” and mostly follows an Abrahamic religion. The obvious retort to this is that most religious people have abandoned their indigenous gods and willingly chose to believe in the same God.

Apply that same logic to democracy. Should I not defend democracy because I was born into it? Even though the founding fathers carefully crafted an ideology and my parents willingly moved here, I should consider it no better than authoritarianism, and the US worse than NK? Poor argument that doesn’t even answer the question at hand, typical of Atheists.
The point is there's no more reason to believe in Christianity than any of the other religions.

The only reason people believe it is because of social pressure from their environment.
 

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