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Discussion Who would win Prime ISIS or the Wehrmacht?

There were even cases where wounded ISIS fighters were flown into Israel by them, patched up, and then sent back out. Israel has never done that before for any Arab or Islamist militia before.

(Evidence of these reports is mostly scrubbed from google and duckduckgo. I had to use Russian search engines to find the link above, which is a Western website. JFL)
Ah. I love a Russian website supporting Assad and announcing he's never killed Muslims despite Sisi being documented killing Sunnis, and just about every other dictator in the MENA region. Arab springs?
Assad was killing protestors before the revolution initially took place.
Saddam and Siad Barre in Somalia killed Sunni Muslims who spoke out against their rule. Again, this isn't special in the context of Jihadism.

Asma al-Assad is an adulteress apostate for supporting her Alawite husband. Just in case you were going to tell me Assad is married to a Sunni.
Anyone who speaks out against these Arab proxy dictators are thrown in jails worse than Guantanamo Bay and never heard of again.
Hafez-Al Assad killed Muslims, and so did Bashar Al-Assad. Sunnis own Syria. ANYWAYS-

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1. Your website is a piece of shit and proved nothing. I saw of this 'Yuri Oulen Shahak', and then this shit came up on mainboard Google:
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Nothing is scrubbed since this crap is made up by Iranians and weird Americans.

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Iraqi army, bastonians of truth. You know these guys fled, crying from terror of IS? LOL. Shia L. They're only strong with US air-support, which I can prove. They wait hours and hours after air-strikes before advancing. It's so funny how IS ran through Iraq's troops and US's beloved PPK.

(FORIGVE ME FOR ANY TYPOS - I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT NEEDS CLARIFIYING.)

2. I know what you're talking about even if this website is fake news, and it's actually the fact Israel DID hospitalise Syrian rebel fighters before. This was due to Al-Nusra sharing a border with them (Golan Heights). Now, Al-Nusra was deep infighting against IS at that time. I'm not defending their honour here, or Joulani's honour. But Israel were tending to civilians as well at the same time.

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Joulani didn't attack Israel once. You can see back then, he had the same mentality as right now in Syria. "B-Be s-smart!"


JEWlani is lenient. Al Nusra weren't even fully legislating by Shar'ia, always claiming they first needed to establish total control before legislating. Unlike IS who would rule it with an iron fist the moment they caught a settlement, let alone a city. That's why the international community has current Taliban on a leash, having them worried about being accepted...unlike IS who don't give a fuck and have said so on VICE news documentary.


View: https://odysee.com/@DawlaRadio:d/jews-and-al-qaeda:0

You can see these Jews admit that they're prefer to keep sharing a border with Al-Nusra instead of the Islamic State.

> Jew: "Hearing the news about ISIS, they've (Al-Nusra) been okay. Thank God we don't have ISIS here. If Al Qaeda call ISIS crazy...we'd rather have them."

> Jew: "Seems like for them (Al-Nusra), keeping the border quiet...it's a common interest."

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I don't even want to throw Al-Qaeda under the bus. This was all thanks to Joulani and HIS Al-Qaeda. You know, Joulani actually back-stabbed and broke away from Al-Qaeda after backstabbing Islamic State. It's insane how he out-princed Al-Baghdadi and Al-Zawhiri and deadass caused the domino affect that lead to the split. The Islamic State tried to warn Al-Qaeda but nobody initially believed them. It's also important to note HTS crushed any kind of Hurras-Al-Deen growth in Idlib, which was the 'new' Al-Qaeda group of bitter rebels who left after HTS was announced and disbanded from AQ.


View: https://odysee.com/@DawlaRadio:d/aq-medical-treatment:6

Israel claiming treating rebels, including Nusra, was humanitarian and tactical move. Honestly, smart move by them. Again, no mention of IS.
 
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It's very simple to put the pieces together when you view ISIS as what it was: a post-Iraq war militia assembled from remnants of AQ to be a useful tool instrumental in helping pave the way for the Greater Israel Project.
And lastly, this image:

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See that picture? Supposedly of Benjamin shaking hands with IS operative?

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Bro. :feelsUgh:

There were many pictures taken on the same day for Benji's PR. There's no IS operatives.
Check the link. This is why I hate these shitty homemade websites.
How the hell are there IS operatives all the way in the Golan Heights anyways?! There were none.

Ask me anything on IS or related e.g. Syrian Civil War whenever you want. Your other brocel I tagged earlier is legit from what I see too.


It's actually neither, and it's funny how IS can be the most vicious, successful Arab army maybe since the Ottoman Empire but be credited by sheep to be a militia of Israel despite fucking them up in Sinai peninsula. You need to study Islam, and Jihadism to understand creation of IS from AQ and their transition from Iraq to expanding into Syria through Nusra and through the second Al-Baghdadi.

There is not a man on this forum who can prove to me ISIS are Mossad, CIA, etc, that I will not debunk.
 
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Just for future bullet-points:

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Islamic State Victory, Sir Baghdadi.


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*Disbelievers. In terms of devasting the hearts of the disbelievers. Obviously, normies will care if a group of stacies get shot in down-town Orlando than Kurdish Ahmed and his brothers in Deir-Ezzor. This is what Al-Adnani meant.
 
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1. Your website is a piece of shit and proved nothing. I saw of this 'Yuri Oulen Shahak', and then this shit came up on mainboard Google:
View attachment 1354405 Nothing is scrubbed since this crap is made up by Iranians and weird Americans.
It's not my website and I have no attachment to its contents; it's just a random one I picked out. If the source is dubious, as it appears to be, then it's not very useful and we can happily discard it.

I'm not against the idea that Iranians and politically-related actors are pushing propaganda to attach ISIS and Israel, but then you have to also call out the the Times of Israel also for their articles showing how friendly ISIS is towards Israel (at least, during those times).
 
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I'm not against the idea that Iranians and politically-related actors are pushing propaganda to attach ISIS and Israel, but then you have to also call out the the Times of Israel also for their articles showing how friendly ISIS is towards Israel.
Which I pretty much dispelled at it for being Nusra and other irrelevant ass groups, quite frankly. Please continue reading and give me final thoughts on everything else. ISIS is not "friendly" to Israel. Again, is Taliban friendly to Israel for not attacking them? Is ISIS friendly to Ireland for not attacking them?
 
Which I pretty much dispelled at it for being Nusra and other irrelevant ass groups, quite frankly. Please continue reading and give me final thoughts on everything else. ISIS is not "friendly" to Israel. Again, is Taliban friendly to Israel for not attacking them? Is ISIS friendly to Ireland for not attacking them?
Not friendly? What do you call apologizing to their former defence minister for attacking them, if not friendly? Whatever you want to call it, that's clearly not openly hostile.

I read everything and want to note that I never claimed that Al-Baghdadi was an undercover Mossad agent, though it's still an open possibility that he may have been one (as himself, not some fiction Edward Snowden wanted the world to believe).

I understand that ISIS was formed out of the chaos of the second Iraq war and out of the remains of AQ and other groups. My position on ISIS has always been that they were a proxy force. For whom precisely, we don't know for sure, but the signs have pointed towards NATO actors.

It wouldn't be the first time that NATO used a satellite or puppet state to support a proxy army, and it certainly won't be the last. The Taliban (since you brought them up) were created and supported by Pakistan - a NATO puppet - back in the 90s when the ISI found and recruited Mullah Omar from the Pashtun regions of their country. Even though they were covertly funded and supported by Pakistan, they were openly engaging NATO forces in Afghanistan.

In modern times proxy armies serve only one purpose: create chaos and instability in a region to weaken the influence of your enemies in that region.
 
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Not friendly? What do you call apologizing to their former defence minister for attacking them, if not friendly? Whatever you want to call it, that's clearly not openly hostile.
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Even though they've successfully stoked up lone wolf attacks in Israel and incite hatred towards Jews as a whole.
Please.
I read everything and want to note that I never claimed that Al-Baghdadi was an undercover Mossad agent, though it's still an open possibility that he may have been one (as himself, not some fiction Edward Snowden wanted the world to believe).
No, there's not. His story is an open book. He took over ISI after Omar-Al-Baghadadi and inter-Jihad circles approved of it. Osama and Dhawhiri knew of his existence. He was literally in Camp Bucca with other key members of IS.
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Contrary to popular belief, it wasn't really Baathists opportunistically taking over Dawla, but already disgruntled and dissident regime members immediately preferring a religious resistance group, many already "radicalized" during the 90s. And you haven't read my screenshots - Edward Snowden NEVER claimed the fantasy attributed to him in the first place!


I understand that ISIS was formed out of the chaos of the second Iraq war and out of the remains of AQ and other groups. My position on ISIS has always been that they were a proxy force. For whom precisely, we don't know for sure, but the signs have point towards NATO actors.
Okay nigga. Just create biggest coalition and biggest propaganda machine since WW2 against your own proxy group in theory. I've given you the truth and it's IS was and is a self-described Islamic State. Oh, do you think they're puppets right now in Central Africa too? IS-Somalia have clashed with US troops in Puntland and regularly kill US-trained Puntland forces. What do you think? They're puppets too? Despite having connections to IS-central in Syria and IS-K? What do you think of IS in Mozambique too? What about IS in Nigeria clashing with Nigerian army forces?

It wouldn't be the first time that NATO used a satellite or puppet state to support a proxy army, and it certainly won't be the last. The Taliban (since you brought them up) were created and supported by Pakistan - a NATO puppet - back in the 90s when the ISI found and recruited Mullah Omar from the Pashtun regions of their country. Even though they were covertly funded and supported by Pakistan, they were openly engaging NATO forces in Afghanistan.
Yeah, nobody is denying Taliban origin and AQ relationship to Taliban 1.0 and 2.0, it's literally open and everyone knows how it blew up in America's face. It's hilarious that people call Taliban based even though they've had talks with the CIA, and agreed to those Doha deals. It's a false victory. In fact, don't they give Taliban 40 million weekly or so? Their literal intention was to just have Taliban fight IS-K since IS is the real threat. If anything, Taliban 2.0 is the proxy group that doesn't call for attacks against Israel, has agreed to never fight America again or use their resources or nation as a launchpad for terrorism, etc. Imagine if ISIS did this shit. It's an open secret US helped Taliban purge off IS-K in large numbers in Nanghar region, etc. in Afghanistan. You know US just struck IS right now in Syria and have troops there? They don't even give a shit about HTS or other groups. They're worried IS will escape from jails, so does the Kurds, and if IS gets their hands on chemical weapons...

In modern times proxy armies serve only one purpose: create chaos and instability in a region to weaken the influence of your enemies in that region.
@gymletethnicel :feelskek: I can get clips of US officials calling IS the most sophisticated terror group ever bro they're beyond proxy group
 
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Without a air force? Nobody would beat ISIS.
pfffffffff

Germans hands down easy. Huge numbers advantage, better trained. Depending on the year, Germans could have semi autos.

Lots of stuff depends on logistics but assuming that wasn't an issue Germans hands down easy.

I saw ISIS dudes not even aiming when they were shooting. You'd never see that with German soldiers.

Combine that with better commanders etc.
 
In modern times proxy armies serve only one purpose: create chaos and instability in a region to weaken the influence of your enemies in that region.
Goes to show the proxies group you mentioned were in reality the countless of "Sunni" tribal groups 'Aawahat' who took American dollars to backstab Al-Qaeda in Iraq - Islamic State in Iraq. And then the second 'Sawahat' in Syria By Jabhat, Ahrar Al-Sham, and countless of other 'Islamist' and secular groups like the SRF all in a collective effort against ISIS.


View: https://odysee.com/@DawlaRadio:d/syria-wolves-of-the-valley-clip:5


I always got the receipts.
 
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Even though they've successfully stoked up lone wolf attacks in Israel and incite hatred towards Jews as a whole.
Please.
They're lone wolves with no association to the organization proper. You can't say that they're operatives under the orders and guidance of ISIS, or that they represent the organization in any way.

What is bringing up this random lone wolf schizo proving?

No, there's not. His story is an open book. He took over ISI after Omar-Al-Baghadadi and inter-Jihad circles approved of it. Osama and Dhawhiri knew of his existence. He was literally in Camp Bucca with other key members of IS.
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I don't know who this Sami Moubayed is or if we can be sure this isn't just reverse propaganda. I'm not fully convinced, but I'll tentatively accept this for now.

Contrary to popular belief, it wasn't really Baathists opportunistically taking over Dawla, but already disgruntled and dissident regime members immediately preferring a religious resistance group, many already "radicalized" during the 90s. And you haven't read my screenshots - Edward Snowden NEVER claimed the fantasy attributed to him in the first place!
I misread then. It's the fiction someone wanted us to believe that was attributed to Snowden.

Okay nigga. Just create biggest coalition and biggest propaganda machine since WW2 against your own proxy group in theory. I've given you the truth and it's IS was and is a self-described Islamic State. Oh, do you think they're puppets right now in Central Africa too? IS-Somalia have clashed with US troops in Puntland and regularly kill US-trained Puntland forces. What do you think? They're puppets too? Despite having connections to IS-central in Syria and IS-K? What do you think of IS in Mozambique too? What about IS in Nigeria clashing with Nigerian army forces?
No, I think that those additional groups formed entirely organically and popped up like weeds. I don't think that they're hierarchically subordinate as part of a greater whole. They're entirely separate and independent, simply sharing the same name and ideology.

Yeah, nobody is denying Taliban origin and AQ relationship to Taliban 1.0 and 2.0, it's literally open and everyone knows how it blew up in America's face. It's hilarious that people call Taliban based even though they've had talks with the CIA, and agreed to those Doha deals. It's a false victory. In fact, don't they give Taliban 40 million weekly or so? Their literal intention was to just have Taliban fight IS-K since IS is the real threat. If anything, Taliban 2.0 is the proxy group that doesn't call for attacks against Israel, has agreed to never fight America again or use their resources or nation as a launchpad for terrorism, etc. Imagine if ISIS did this shit. It's an open secret US helped Taliban purge off IS-K in large numbers in Nanghar region, etc. in Afghanistan. You know US just struck IS right now in Syria and have troops there? They don't even give a shit about HTS or other groups. They're worried IS will escape from jails, so does the Kurds, and if IS gets their hands on chemical weapons...
Yes, $40M/week. It's basically bribe money. Anti-Taliban resistance forces claim that the Taliban have broken the terms of the Doha deal (which they claim was a political farce anyway) and are intimately working with ISIS and other elements. I don't see this being unbelievable or controversial, since their ideological goals overlap (establish an Islamic caliphate, keep the infidel armies out of Islamic lands, and keep Islamic countries free of Western imperial meddling).

@gymletethnicel :feelskek:
OK, what do you think their function is, if not a deniable resource that can't directly be traced back to your government/nation? Proxy forces aren't exactly a humanitarian resource.

I can get clips of US officials calling IS the most sophisticated terror group ever bro they're beyond proxy group
Bruh. US officials making public statements isn't exactly a source of truth. Come on. JFL
 
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Goes to show the proxies group you mentioned were in reality the countless of "Sunni" tribal groups 'Aawahat' who took American dollars to backstab Al-Qaeda in Iraq - Islamic State in Iraq. And then the second 'Sawahat' in Syria By Jabhat, Ahrar Al-Sham, and countless of other 'Islamist' and secular groups like the SRF all in a collective effort against ISIS.


View: https://odysee.com/@DawlaRadio:d/syria-wolves-of-the-valley-clip:5


I always got the receipts.

Tbh, this video doesn't disprove that ISIS is proxy. I've seen this one before, btw.
 
Yes, $40M/week. It's basically bribe money. Anti-Taliban resistance forces claim that the Taliban have broken the terms of the Doha deal (which they claim was a political farce anyway) and are intimately working with ISIS and other elements. I don't see this being unbelievable or controversial, since their ideological goals overlap (establish an Islamic caliphate, keep the infidel armies out of Islamic lands, and keep Islamic countries free of Western imperial meddling).
No.

IS make takfir on Taliban for not ruling by Shariah and by agreeing to the Doha deals which transgress the boundaries of Islam. Taliban pull an Iran and claim IS work for Western-intelligence even though they 'like' Al-Qaeda which in tern as never ever accused IS of working for anyone, nor does HTS. They don't have the same goals at all - Taliban is localised and only want to focus on Afghanistan, while IS are the only ones who attempted to establish a Caliphate and have global aspirations. You can cope and say Taliban are waiting our their time and are helping TTP against Pakistan in the hopes Pakistani government will fall, but it's cope. Please read what I'm saying. Anti-Taliban resistance forces claim Taliban are just "muh oppressive to women" and such.

So Taliban is getting money from US, and helping them fight IS-K one way or another.

If anything, here are a few examples:


View: https://odysee.com/@DawlaRadio:d/taliban-andsf-cooperation:4


View: https://archive.org/details/tales-of-apostasy-in-afghanistan_20240506


They're lone wolves with no association to the organization proper. You can't say that they're operatives under the orders and guidance of ISIS, or that they represent the organization in any way.

What is bringing up this random lone wolf schizo proving?
Yes, I can. He made pledge of allegiance video before going on the attack. I've said this before:

1. Pledge your allegiance to IS (BAYAH), and it's binding in Islam. He gave his allegiance to Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi and has become a soldier of the Caliphate, just like Omar Mateen did in Orlando Shooting.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDDJMKWoqI


That's how it works, whether you like it or not. No association to the organization? He was under order and guidance after Al-Adnani word for word said:

"If you can't make hijra (emmigration) to the lands of the Caliphate, then open the doors of jihad in the disbelievers' faces."
This is just one of the many times Al-Adnani, spokesman of IS, called for his followers who had their passports taken away or were under surveillance and generally could not bullshit your way into Turkey and alley-oop into Syria.

By the way, his wife even made it to Raqqa and IS gave her dedicated statement in their magazine. That's as real as it gets.

Don't call him schizo as that diminishes dangers of radicalism. You can go watch his video and his training videos he posted all at once prior to the market siege. He brought the point that if the whole France can get together and protest for Hebdo right to draw that stuff, then they can get together and protest for France to stop bombing the shit out of IS in Syria. France also has Muslim blood on their hands just like Russia.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koGIIYIb9vI


IS made a nasheed of him and other lone-knights in Europe.

Tbh, this video doesn't disprove that ISIS is proxy. I've seen this one before, btw.
I can show you leaders of Ahrar Sham and Jaysh Al Islam and this group and that group saying how they receive millions to fight IS, how they say fighting IS takes reward over fighting literal Assad forces, etc. I have tones and tones of resources from different groups and archives. But you remind me of some people I know, no matter what I bring, it only diminishes a bit of your scepticism. It's especially hard to explain it to non-Muslims who haven't closely followed events and can judge everything from an Islamic-lens.
 
@based_meme watch last video if you want to hear Baghdadi's speech. A good speech indeed. He's free from what the ppl attribute him too.
OK, let's suppose that all of this is true. Let's say that he was a free man, not an agent of any government or private interest group (corporations, bankers etc.). Moving as speeches go, what has he done for the Muslims of the world? He mentions all of the injustices and the hypocrisy of the West, but what has he done, besides spill blood, many of whom were Muslims themselves?

If he was so noble, wouldn't the entirety of the Islamic world have followed him? Isn't a caliphate something every Muslim is supposed to want? If so, then why was ISIS support the minority across the world?

It seems that he was mostly interested in instilling fear and hatred towards the religion, and creating gore porn for the internet.
 
Don't call him schizo as that diminishes dangers of radicalism.
Why are you concerned about the dangers of radicalism? Aren't you here to try and show that ISIS is not under the influence or control of Israel or any other governments?

You're supposed to be white knighting for ISIS. Why even give a fuck about radicalism? JFL

You can go watch his video and his training videos he posted all at once prior to the market siege.
You ask me to specifically see a speech of Al-Baghdadi, and now you're suggesting I go see terrorist training videos. What the hell are you trying to do here?

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You're hella suspicious right now, ngl. Getting serious glownigger vibes.
 
OK, let's suppose that all of this is true. Let's say that he was a free man, not an agent of any government or private interest group (corporations, bankers etc.). Moving as speeches go, what has he done for the Muslims of the world? He mentions all of the injustices and the hypocrisy of the West, but what has he done, besides spill blood, many of whom were Muslims themselves?

If he was so noble, wouldn't the entirety of the Islamic world have followed him? Isn't a caliphate something every Muslim is supposed to want? If so, then why was ISIS support the minority across the world?

It seems that he was mostly interested in instilling fear and hatred towards the religion, and creating gore porn for the internet.
I really want to answer your questions, and I promise you I can, but I've been in political trouble before and so I'm not comfortable directly responding to this.

You ask me to specifically see a speech of Al-Baghdadi, and now you're suggesting I go see terrorist training videos. What the hell are you trying to do here?
What are you saying? I'm only telling you the footage is on public-news on YouTube so you can understand he wasn't some schizo. He was radicalised in prison. He didn't just take weed and do the attack. Don't make me look bad.

Why are you concerned about the dangers of radicalism? Aren't you here to try and show that ISIS is not under the influence or control of Israel or any other governments?
Those are not exclusive in anyway, shape or form. Radicalism is a real thing. You're making it sound like...I support something I don't. :feelswhat:
You're supposed to be white knighting for ISIS. Why even give a fuck about radicalism? JFL
Who said I was white-knighting? What the hell are you saying? I'm commentating and disproving myths. Can you use your brain? Why would I throw that in my paragraph, I wonder? Think. Nigga getting me in trouble JFL
 
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You're hella suspicious right now, ngl. Getting serious glownigger vibes.
:feelsseriously: you've been on this forum since 2019. read between the lines. I support only peace and diversity, free-mix love and freedom.
 
@based_meme deadass apologise for that gay ass shit, i was on my way out by ur last question before you tried to nail my ass down to the cross for no reason. if u needed to cop out, just say that.
 
Was thinking about it as I laid down. Assuming the desert companies of Nazi Germanys military stumbled across ISIS in Syria using the same technology they had back in 2015-16 who'd win? Isis has better tech but the Wehrmacht has FAR superior leader leadership. No aircraft, no navy or outside help etc.
Both have about the same number of men

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ISIS would win because AK's and most german soldiers had simple bolt action rifles. Not to mention that germans would jsut surrender as they literally have no reason nor purpose to be dying in a desert
 
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Germans hands down easy. Huge numbers advantage, better trained. Depending on the year, Germans could have semi autos.

Lots of stuff depends on logistics but assuming that wasn't an issue Germans hands down easy.

I saw ISIS dudes not even aiming when they were shooting. You'd never see that with German soldiers.

Combine that with better commanders etc.
Aim at what nigga?
This is not counter strike, in a real combat situation you dont aim, you shoot towards the enemy so he doesnt have a chance to react
 
@based_meme deadass apologise for that gay ass shit, i was on my way out by ur last question before you tried to nail my ass down to the cross for no reason. if u needed to cop out, just say that.
You tried coaxing me into watching Islamist militia propaganda. I have nothing to apologize for.

You didn't need to go that far to make your point. :feelswhat:
 
You tried coaxing me into watching Islamist militia propaganda. I have nothing to apologize for.
I briefly mentioned how you can watch COULIBALY specific training montage that is publicly displayed on news following his attacks on YOUTUBE to PROVE he didn't just do a random schizo attack. Again, in French news on YouTube.

You're making it sound like I told you to go discreetly search obscene militia training when it was one guy who we were on the topic of. That's not cool.

You didn't need to go that far to make your point. :feelswhat:
That far? Coaxing? What do you think we're talking about? Primary sources are going to be added into the dialogue given the nature of our topic. Maybe don't find yourself being dragged into jihadi-political debate. You sound naive.
 
I briefly mentioned how you can watch COULIBALY specific training montage that is publicly displayed on news following his attacks on YOUTUBE to PROVE he didn't just do a random schizo attack. Again, in French news on YouTube.

You're making it sound like I told you to go discreetly search obscene militia training when it was one guy who we were on the topic of. That's not cool.


That far? Coaxing? What do you think we're talking about? Primary sources are going to be added into the dialogue given the nature of our topic. Maybe don't find yourself being dragged into jihadi-political debate. You sound naive.
OK, I may have overreacted. I'm sorry bro.
 

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