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Discussion Who would win Prime ISIS or the Wehrmacht?

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Was thinking about it as I laid down. Assuming the desert companies of Nazi Germanys military stumbled across ISIS in Syria using the same technology they had back in 2015-16 who'd win? Isis has better tech but the Wehrmacht has FAR superior leader leadership. No aircraft, no navy or outside help etc.
Both have about the same number of men

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You didn’t include me in that list, bitch
 
Without a air force? Nobody would beat ISIS.
 
Isis would have modern tanks it's game over for useless King Tiger that would break anyway while trying to change gears

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Plus leaders wouldn't do shit against infantry that has modern firearms, knows how to create ambushes, are used to the desert combat, have Kevlar vests and pretty modern tanks
 
If ISIS would have won, what do you think would have happened in the western world?
 
this is more tech vs tech, and a 70 year gap is massive. This is a dumb comparison to make. This is like asking who would win between republic Romans vs The American armies during the civil war.

But if we put both sides on a equal technological field i would say wehrmacht due to logistic and far more cohesive leadership. You can argue that the wehrmacht faced ISIS like groups during WW2 if form of various resistance groups, said groups where rarely more than just annoyances rather than a genuine threat.

Again this is tech vs tech
 
ISIS wins. The Heer soldiers armed with mainly with Kar 98ks wouldn’t stand a chance against ISIS shock troops with AKs. They’d quickly get overrun and the German commanders wouldn’t be able to adapt to the technological gap and ISIS’s unconventional tactics.
 
Wehrmacht, ISIS does mog in tech yes, but that was mainly assault rifles. Most of their vehicles are Toyotas with an MG strapped on, whereas the Wehrmacht had mogger tanks which likely could still be effective today

Not to mention they had Rommel who was a legendary commander

@DeliriousMerchant thots?
 
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if deformed 70 iq amerimutts can beat them than the wehrmacht also can beat them
 
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if deformed 70 iq amerimutts can beat them than the wehrmacht also can beat them
Wrong.

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From 2014 - current day, IS faced an unprecedented coalition that was never seen in modern history before on the battlefield.

I will only concede that Germany faced bigger warfare in the propaganda field against them because it's been over 100 years and people still don't know their true side of history.

Can you imagine Russia and USA? Israel and Hezbollah? Japan and England and France and Saudi Arabia? Turkey and Jordan and Qatar and Canada? These are just the few powerful nations...don't even let me get into other rebel and proxy factions, and mercenary groups e.g. Wagner, and numerous upon numerous of airstrikes on a daily regular for YEARS as well as collective Iraqi man-power across their national troops and Shi'ite death militias funded by Iran.

Without a air force? Nobody would beat ISIS.
Facts. People don't realize there's nothing you can do when a several-ton VBIED coming at you at 130 mph, whether or not you're in a tank yourself. You've literally lost. I've said before IS suicide bombings are the poor man's drone. Try to destroy it and the explosion still occurs and vanquishes you.

On top of that, then you'd have IS troops waiting for the mushroom cloud before driving forward to advance and finish everything off in a zealous frenzy.

Isis would have modern tanks it's game over for useless King Tiger that would break anyway while trying to change gears

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IS raiding all of Iraq from banks and military depots to chemical facilities, disposing of fighting males and capturing women and children in their right hand.

These are US-grade weapons at their disposal by the way, as Iraqi government gets needlessly spoiled by the US.

They've also raided airports and depots in Syria so they genuinely had access to military jets but were limited in number and training. They also started manufacturing drones, rocket launchers, their own gold dinar currency, etc. IS > Wehrmacht in terms of weapon technology.

But if we put both sides on a equal technological field i would say wehrmacht due to logistic and far more cohesive leadership.
Baghdadi had years of experience fighting unconventional warfare against US troops and allies post-Iraq invasion. A lot of ISI was made-up of AQ veterans who had experience fighting Soviets in Afghanistan, and Russian troops in Chechyna, etc. ISIS war minister Omar al-Shishani had experience fighting against Russians in Caucus and Syria before joining IS.

IS leadership is surprisingly adept since they've all pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi, and he has the ultimate say in command.

Driven troops are just as good as leadership. I will not look down upon wehrmacht's will, but nobody has heart of Islamic State. It cannot be replicated in anyway outside of Islam at the very least. For IS, victory is in fighting for the sake of Allah and dying for the sake of Allah.


View: https://archive.org/details/is-and-resilience

"Or do you, O America, consider defeat to be the loss of a city or the loss of land? Were we defeated when we lost the cities in Iraq and were in the desert without any cities and land? And would we be defeated and you be victorious if you were to take Mosul or Sirte or Raqqa or even take all our cities and we were to return to our initial condition? Certainly not. True defeat is the loss of willpower and desire to fight."


Now...I will not belittle Germans in this scenario, but I am skeptical. Because AQI had US troops crying and commiting domestic attacks when they got undeployed, festering with PTSD. Islamist groups in Chechyna made Russian troops face a similar reality.

Islamic State is a nightmare-fueled version of their contemporaries. Slaughterhouse video? Burning the Jordan pilot alive in the cage? Crucification but cutting off hands and gets and branding eyes with hot iron?


I don't think Wehrmacht will do well at all in psychological warfare against IS. Demoralization in their forces will occur.
 
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Wehrmacht, ISIS does mog in tech yes, but that was mainly assault rifles. Most of their vehicles are Toyotas with an MG strapped on, whereas the Wehrmacht had mogger tanks which likely could still be effective today

Not to mention they had Rommel who was a legendary commander

@DeliriousMerchant thots?
In conventional war, you're right, although I'd question you to think about VBIEDs. It's not likely to be effective, Wehrmatch weaponry WOULD be effective against IS and their troops are better trained, per-say. However, IS beats in urban warfare if it's taking place in-between cities and structure-dense areas. IS also have home-court advantage in Syria anyways.

ISIS fighters would know the terrain intimately—every chokepoint, ambush site, and escape route. They also have tunnel networks. This isn't a fair question if it's in Syria. Even if the Wehrmacht crushed major ISIS forces, smaller cells could continue fighting, making the war drag on indefinitely.

And the moral factor tips to IS.
 
wehrmacht has higher iq, but isis fighters are probably braver,
so its a toss up.
 
ISIS was formed by CIA
I'm not interested. You're free to have opinions, and I don't need to affirm them. But listen, I've spent 5 years looking into MENA, and Jihadism. You want to know what I think? Your interpretation is wrong to the bone. Please don't spam shit link from RT or Iran Media, I will not respond to it. Just giving you response.
 
I'm not interested. You're free to have opinions, and I don't need to affirm them. But listen, I've spent 5 years looking into MENA, and Jihadism. You want to know what I think? Your interpretation is wrong to the bone. Please don't spam shit link from RT or Iran Media, I will not respond to it. Just giving you response.
"please don't spam shit from RT or iran, but I will take any western narrative as a fact" :soy:

you fit more on reddit than on here
 
Okay, I just looked more into Wehrmacht, and I'm very impressed. It's really 60/40 ish. Obviously, depends where the battle takes place since IS have serious home-court advantage in Syria that makes this unfair. I can say without doubt Wehrmacht has more of a chance to mog IS in short-term warfare blitz than the other way around. Also, I'm really interested to learn more about Rommel.

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ISIS wins. The Heer soldiers armed with mainly with Kar 98ks wouldn’t stand a chance against ISIS shock troops with AKs. They’d quickly get overrun and the German commanders wouldn’t be able to adapt to the technological gap and ISIS’s unconventional tactics.
Interesting. And you know Germany too, I presume.

Okay, I just looked more into Wehrmacht, and I'm very impressed. It's really 60/40 ish. Obviously, depends where the battle takes place since IS have serious home-court advantage in Syria that makes this unfair. I can say without doubt Wehrmacht has more of a chance to mog IS in short-term warfare blitz than the other way around. Also, I'm really interested to learn more about Rommel.
 
Baghdadi had years of experience fighting unconventional warfare against US troops and allies post-Iraq invasion. A lot of ISI was made-up of AQ veterans who had experience fighting Soviets in Afghanistan, and Russian troops in Chechyna, etc. ISIS war minister Omar al-Shishani had experience fighting against Russians in Caucus and Syria before joining IS.

IS leadership is surprisingly adept since they've all pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi, and he has the ultimate say in command.

Driven troops are just as good as leadership. I will not look down upon wehrmacht's will, but nobody has heart of Islamic State. It cannot be replicated in anyway outside of Islam at the very least. For IS, victory is in fighting for the sake of Allah and dying for the sake of Allah.
With leadership i was more think about officers and the like, as in Wehrmacht had a proper officer corp. Perhaps i should have written chain of command? Do ISIS even have a proper chain of command? Dont matter if the guy on top is fully supported if the chains in between is disorganized or almost non existing. As far as im aware they operate is somewhat independent cells, how is the communication between these cells and a potential high command?

And sure fanaticism is a strong motivator,but it can ultimately lead to ones downfall if they cant keep their zealotry in check or dont have someone to keep them in check when needed. Fanatics have a need to prove them self, holding positions that are lost or going for attacks that yield little benefit beyond a little bloodshed.

Then for the logistics. Wehrmacht had a proper military industry that supplied weapons and arms. ISIS depent on leftovers from previous wars and gear gifted from sponsors, gear that is often more ragtag then the ones fresh of the assembly line. I am aware of the various gunsmith in the areas ISIS operates, but their output is nothing against a truly organized military industry.

Keep in mind i never said there would be a easy fight. ISIS knows the area, speaks the languages, fanatic to their cause, constant supply of fresh voluntaries, operates in small cells(sever the hydras head two more will take is place). We have evidence of their resilience in form of them still fighting after all these years.
 
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ISIS was formed by CIA
The groups that would eventually become ISIS what sponsored by the US during the Soviets invasion of Afghanistan correct. But they could not have foreseen these group turning against the US decades after.
 
The groups that would eventually become ISIS what sponsored by the US during the Soviets invasion of Afghanistan correct. But they could not have foreseen these group turning against the US decades after.
recently ISIS have fought the same enemies as US and israel. that includes iran and russia. it's not a coincidence that their successful terrorist operations happen to be against the same enemies of israel
 
recently ISIS have fought the same enemies as US and israel. that includes iran and russia. it's not a coincidence that their successful terrorist operations happen to be against the same enemies of israel
they attack them now to? i admit i have not payed much attention since ISIS where in their prime.
 
they attack them now to? i admit i have not payed much attention since ISIS where in their prime.
last year they did a mass shooting at russia's kroll opera house which killed 100, and also last year they bombed an iranian memorial for qaseim solemani (a commander that was killed by a US strike) which also killed hundreds. yet they never touched US or pro-western countries since
 
last year they did a mass shooting at russia's kroll opera house which killed 100, and also last year they bombed an iranian memorial for qaseim solemani (a commander that was killed by a US strike) which also killed hundreds. yet they never touched US or pro-western countries since
knew of the russian one, i just forgot about it. the memorial is interesting, can remember hearing about that. Now the situation today is a bit different from before, America is not as involved in the region besides Israel and the current situation in Syria. Perhaps this have had a effect on ISIS way of picking targets?
 
Do ISIS even have a proper chain of command? Dont matter if the guy on top is fully supported if the chains in between is disorganized or almost non existing. As far as im aware they operate is somewhat independent cells, how is the communication between these cells and a potential high command?
I'm not sure at the moment, although communications and transfer of goods do exist between continents even, but there was a real command chain during their prime:

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HzMucorCwo


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Then for the logistics. Wehrmacht had a proper military industry that supplied weapons and arms. ISIS depent on leftovers from previous wars and gear gifted from sponsors, gear that is often more ragtag then the ones fresh of the assembly line. I am aware of the various gunsmith in the areas ISIS operates, but their output is nothing against a truly organized military industry.
I agree with their output, but gunsmith is a poor attempt at observation. There was so much spoils of war, they could switch to conventional warfare in their prime.


SIS knows the area, speaks the languages, fanatic to their cause, constant supply of fresh voluntaries, operates in small cells(sever the hydras head two more will take is place). We have evidence of their resilience in form of them still fighting after all these years.
I thought this was more like, "drop IS and Wehrmacht in Syria and who comes out", but the way you're talking is if modern-day Wehrmacht tries to invade Syria if everyone else pauses their assault on prime IS. Oh man, Wehrmacht will definitely lose. Even if they didn't care for civilian casualties on ground, IS have Tunnels and Hidden Networks. Israel can only counter the ones from Hamas because they have spies within Hamas's ranks. Wehrmacht would be startled by the usage of VBIED's and IS blending in with civilians. That's why if it's conventional war, Wehrmacht can get the win easy with blitz.
 
I'm not sure at the moment, although communications and transfer of goods do exist between continents even, but there was a real command chain during their prime:

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HzMucorCwo


really detailed.

I agree with their output, but gunsmith is a poor attempt at observation. There was so much spoils of war, they could switch to conventional warfare in their prime.



I thought this was more like, "drop IS and Wehrmacht in Syria and who comes out", but the way you're talking is if modern-day Wehrmacht tries to invade Syria if everyone else pauses their assault on prime IS. Oh man, Wehrmacht will definitely lose. Even if they didn't care for civilian casualties on ground, IS have Tunnels and Hidden Networks. Israel can only counter the ones from Hamas because they have spies within Hamas's ranks. Wehrmacht would be startled by the usage of VBIED's and IS blending in with civilians. That's why if it's conventional war, Wehrmacht can get the win easy with blitz.

yeah if we talk wehrmact with 1940s tech vs modern ISIS with 2020s tech, then yes obvioisly ISIS wins, 70 year tech difference is massive. When i wrote my first post i looked at it if both sides where on equal tech levels. A 1940s ISIS vs a 1940s Wehrmacht or if both had 2020s tech

And i was not aware of the level of stuff ISIS had taken from others. guess i should shut up when im not 100% up to date on the topic.
 
knew of the russian one, i just forgot about it. the memorial is interesting, can remember hearing about that. Now the situation today is a bit different from before, America is not as involved in the region besides Israel and the current situation in Syria. Perhaps this have had a effect on ISIS way of picking targets?
This guy is retarded conspiracy theorist. IS attacking Russia is not special as Russia has already attacked them before in Syria. Russian intervention in Syria actually played a role in IS stopping their advance into Damascus. Russia also has a lot of Muslim blood on their hands - Wagner kills Muslims up in Mali and Libya under pretext that they're fighting AQ and IS. I want to comment that Wagner is a joke and got fucked by Tuareg rebels. Russia has also killed dozens in Chechnya, and supported the Global Coalition against IS. IS have engaged against Wagner in the past, and IS in caucus have targeted Russian troops in past while they existed their after their 'AQ-split'.

As for attacking Iran...dude, how long has IS in Iraq or AQI been fighting against Shi'ites in Iraq? Iraqi government post-Iraq invasion is proxy government of Iran. There is no difference in religion between Rafidhi Shi'ites in Iraq and Iran aside from creedal beliefs. It doesn't mean anything since they're not even kufr-asli, meaning we can't even call them apostates - they're essentially a whole-made up religion. JEWS are given more priority than the Rawafid. Iran also funds Hezbollah who acts for them and Hezbollah were fighting IS in Syria. So Iran was always a target for IS who didn't commit a State attack at the time due to disputes with AQ, and this is all recorded between the back-and-forths between Jihadist groups in Modern Jihadism History. Despite that lackof, it's clear:

1. Russia and Iran was always ideologically and conventionally an enemy of IS who now utilises the borders of Tajiskstan and Afghanistan through their sleeper-cells that exist even in Azerbaijan. Also, IS-K are so close to Iran, they can smell Iran's hide.

2. With this logic, since IS has never attacked Ireland despite calling them an open enemy up for game, IS works for the interests of Ireland?

Azerbaijan.
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As for attacks on Israel, US, and the West, I don't think I need to clarify for you:
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It's actually Israel, but carry on.
It's actually neither, and it's funny how IS can be the most vicious, successful Arab army maybe since the Ottoman Empire but be credited by sheep to be a militia of Israel despite fucking them up in Sinai peninsula. You need to study Islam, and Jihadism to understand creation of IS from AQ and their transition from Iraq to expanding into Syria through Nusra and through the second Al-Baghdadi.

There is not a man on this forum who can prove to me ISIS are Mossad, CIA, etc, that I will not debunk.
 
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this is a big handicap for nazi germany because you're taking away their insane engineering which was a massive strong point in ww2. in this scenario they're stuck with nothing but 1940's infantry tech so no they can't defeat isis. they could adapt and stalemate them at most.
 
Kind of a unfair comparison. A 70 year tech difference and the Heer can't use combined arms while having limited numbers?
 
yeah if we talk wehrmact with 1940s tech vs modern ISIS with 2020s tech, then yes obvioisly ISIS wins, 70 year tech difference is massive. When i wrote my first post i looked at it if both sides where on equal tech levels. A 1940s ISIS vs a 1940s Wehrmacht or if both had 2020s tech

And i was not aware of the level of stuff ISIS had taken from others. guess i should shut up when im not 100% up to date on the topic.
this is a big handicap for nazi germany because you're taking away their insane engineering which was a massive strong point in ww2. in this scenario they're stuck with nothing but 1940's infantry tech so no they can't defeat isis. they could adapt and stalemate them at most.
And i was not aware of the level of stuff ISIS had taken from others. guess i should shut up when im not 100% up to date on the topic.
Hah! You know they brought back concubines, right? I know a lot of contemporaries who's relatives or someone they know basically ascended unconventionally. All of them are dead though.
 
wehrmacht has higher iq, but isis fighters are probably braver,
so its a toss up.
Wermatch doesn't have a higher IQ than them, You're underestimating ISIS, I swear.
Those guys, even with almost no resources, manufactured suicide drones, recoilless missile launchers, rifles, armored cars, armored SVBIEDS
 
There is not a man on this forum who can prove to me ISIS are Mossad, CIA, etc, that I will not debunk.

This is the official Israeli propaganda narrative.

And then there's this.


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There were even cases where wounded ISIS fighters were flown into Israel by them, patched up, and then sent back out. Israel has never done that before for any Arab or Islamist militia before.


(Evidence of these reports is mostly scrubbed from google and duckduckgo. I had to use Russian search engines to find the link above, which is a Western website. JFL)

I don't know what to tell you. I guess they just need to wear the blue hexagram on their clothing items and write it on their foreheads.

It's very simple to put the pieces together when you view ISIS as what it was: a post-Iraq war militia assembled from remnants of AQ to be a useful tool instrumental in helping pave the way for the Greater Israel Project.
 
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ISIS wins. The Heer soldiers armed with mainly with Kar 98ks wouldn’t stand a chance against ISIS shock troops with AKs. They’d quickly get overrun and the German commanders wouldn’t be able to adapt to the technological gap and ISIS’s unconventional tactics.
Maybe they could use STGs, MKB(h) prototypes and FG rifles. But the cartridge of the first two mentioned was crap and they are made with the same material as a fucking Hot Wheels car.
 
Maybe they could use STGs, MKB(h) prototypes and FG rifles. But the cartridge of the first two mentioned was crap and they are made with the same material as a fucking Hot Wheels car.
All of these weapons were rare and were only used late into WW2. It should also be mentioned that the Wehrmacht soldiers in question are members of the Afrika Korps who were never equipped with the weapons mentioned above. When facing ISIS, the Germans mentioned by OP would realistically be equipped with Kar 98k bolt action rifles with 1 MP-40 and 1 MG 34 or MG 42 per squad.
 
same shit as asking "who would win: Caesar's 13th legion or the IRA"
 
All of these weapons were rare and were only used late into WW2. It should also be mentioned that the Wehrmacht soldiers in question are members of the Afrika Korps who were never equipped with the weapons mentioned above. When facing ISIS, the Germans mentioned by OP would realistically be equipped with Kar 98k bolt action rifles with 1 MP-40 and 1 MG 34 or MG 42 per squad.
Yep, as other people have mentioned here, Germany loses its biggest advantage which would be the ridiculously far-fetched but ultimately effective engineering.
In addition, ISIS would have much more effective reconnaissance of the terrain since they are originally from there.
 
@based_meme - let's break this bit by bit. I still like you and I think you're a cool user. Please don't get upset after this. I'll try to 1-3 response this.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/islamic-state-explains-why-it-doesnt-attack-israel-yet/
This is the official Israeli propaganda narrative.

And then there's this.


"The Islamic State terror group published an article explaining why it does not attack the Jewish state, arguing that the Palestinian issue should not get preferential treatment." I briefly remember this Al-Naba article, and I don't like how this Jew words it. Al-Naba just factualised why jihad is not given priority in Palestine. This is a modernist Muslim concept.

“The apostate [tyrants] who rule the lands of Islam are graver infidels than [the Jews], and war against them takes precedence over war against the original infidels,” the article said. In Islam, apostates are to be executed, especially apostate rulers who kill Muslims, unlike Jews who are original disbelievers. This is just an Islamic view-point.

"Despite the fact that the Islamic State ranks in Syria and Iraq are swelled by fighters from across the world, the article calls for jihadists to take the fight to “infidels” nearest to them. Therefore, fighting the Jews should be left to Muslims in Israel/Palestine, while Syrian Muslims should fight Bashar Assad and Egyptian Muslims should fight Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi." Okay, Islamic State never said that about Egyptians. Obviously, Syrians make sense.

1. First of all, this Al-Naba magazine was translated by MEMRI, which serves the interests of Israel and USA. They don't display full articles to non-subscribers so I can't translate anything or have it translated by trusted contemporaries. No worries, anyways.

2. The Islamic State has attacked Israel through the Sinai Peninsula, many, many times as a province, and the Islamic State has claimed attacks on Jews like the French supermarket siege by Coulibaly in France of 2015, exactly the same time as Hebdo shooting.
Refer to the 19th post region of this thread for evidence on Sinai activity. They focus on Egyptian and Israeli troops.
The Islamic State does not "differ" on if lone-wolves are part of the "Khilifah". Rather, they are answering the call of vengeance.
A lone-wolf is the same as a soldier. That's their ideology. It's why Al-Adnani said an domestic attack in the US or it's allies is "worth more than 50 apostates" in terms of is devastating the hearts of the believers.

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You can literally go on Telegram and see that there were Muslims in Gaze choosing to affiliate and give their pledge to the Islamic State before killing from the IDF and other Jewish civilians on October the 7th, and more.

Moreso, ISIS's operational environment was constrained. The Islamic State’s core territories in Syria and Iraq were effectively surrounded by countries like Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt, which acted as buffers and worked to prevent ISIS from mounting a direct threat against Israel. These neighbouring Arab states were heavily invested in containing ISIS within the borders of Iraq and Syria due to the group's destabilizing influence on the entire region. Islamic State possessed a few jets to my knowledge when they captured airports, but there was no way they could co-ordinate anything when surrounded by a legion of Arab countries defending Israel.


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3. IS-Sinai Wilyat came about in Egypt during chaos following Morsi being couped by Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi and the following events including Muslim protesters being killed as usual by their Arab dictators that accept Israel and US current under the desk. IS-Sinai literally came from a group in Gaza that was attacked and sieged by Hamas for trying to announce the establishment of an Islamic Emirate from the Ibn Taymiyyah Mosque. Hamas are secularists who subjugate other Salafi-jihadi groups like Jaysh-Al-Ummah (AQ in Gaza.)

So this group came from Palestine, fighting Jews, and then focused on the apostate Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi and rallied up other bedoins and Muslims who took up arms in the insurgency in Eygpt.

View: https://archive.org/details/end2_20231119

Here's the story narrated. It's English.

And Islamic State is right. Palestine is not the glowing crown in the Muslim world. They started in Iraq, and they expanded into Syria during the civil war despite Joulani's attempt at hindering them. IS created Al-Nusra, funded and sent Joulani out to Syria to fight Assad's regime from early 2013, I believe. IS should've focused on expanding in Syria and Blame Hamas for being secular and not accepting AQ help early in the 2000's despite making posters of Al-Zarqawi (Founder of 'Al-Qaeda' in Iraq - Islamic State in Iraq.) @gymletethnicel
 
@based_meme - let's break this bit by bit. I still like you and I think you're a cool user. Please don't get upset after this. I'll try to 1-3 response this.
No need to worry, brocel, but thanks. I have mutual respect and don't take anything here personally to heart. Fire away.
 

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