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[CircumcisedClown]

if you are short with short parents = your height is genetic
if you are short with average height parents = your height got stunted by environment

Lol, this is so incredibly wrong, it’s hilarious. Anyone can be short/tall because everyone has short/tall ancestors.

Your environment can determine 20% of your height. However, if you live in the West, get at least 5hrs of sleep a night, don’t have severe illness, eat 3 meals a day, etc., you are probably at least 95% of your peak height. Your peak height is genetic, and your environment will determine whether you ever get there.

What this also means is genetics determine your floor height. Meaning how tall you’ll be if everything goes wrong. The Dinka Tribe in Africa has an average height of 6’0” despite being poor as fuck and basically starving. If your max height is 6’5” and literally everything goes wrong, you’ll still probably be like 6’2”.

Also, your size/length/weight out of the womb is a huge indicator of your adult height, assuming you weren’t born premature. This is a combination of nutrition in the womb and genetics. While environmental factors are at play here, you can’t control them, so it might as well be genetic.

I was born like 19in and 7.5 ounces, which is pretty average. I am now 5’10”. Little brother was like 20in and 8 ounches. He’s now 6’0”. My older brother was like 23in and 9.5 ounces or so. He’s now 6’3”. You get the picture.

Also, kids with Down Syndromes are obviously typically short. This is purely genetic. Dwarfism is largely genetic.

On the other side, kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (meaning mommy drank while pregant) are often shorter. This is purely environmental.

It’s a combination of 80% genetic factors and 20% environmental factors you can’t control. Also, by the time you’re 16, which is when you first start realizing how important height is, you’re basically almost done growing. You don’t realize how important height is until it’s basically too late to do anything about it.

 

[CircumcisedClown]

It also ignores how genetics form the enviorment around you by influencing both your capabilities and preferances, changing what you can and what you want to do. But he's even more wrong about just the basics of why people end up differing so much in e.g. weight and he's obviously never heared of the results of any of the twin studies on the topic.

Identical twins almost always end up with 2in of each other in height, which shows two important things. A. Height is mostly genetic. B. Environment can make a small but noticeable difference.

I think Cole Sprouse is a little over an inch taller than Dylan Sprouse. Also, the Thompson twins just got drafted to the NBA. One is 6’7”, and the other is more like 6’5”. This is helpful knowledge if you’re borderline 5’10”ish, you may have been 6’0” if things were different. It’s basically irrelevant for people that are tall or shorter, because you either would have been taller or less short, but who cares?

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

I didn't exactly disagree with you. It's obvious that some people can mantain shape with less effort than others

But as long as you follow a diet and an exercise program, you will, 100% of the time, lose weight and gain lean mass. Some will have it easier, while some will have it harder. But as long as you follow it, you will get results

You can't compare weight to other nearly immutable conditions, like bone and height

You are not thinking it through to the end. Why are some people able to keep up a diet that stabilizes at a healthy body weight and some aren't?

You’re kinda wrong, but the distinction is mute. Personality is largely affected by how you’re treated growing up, but tall, attractive men are treated better from even preschool. Ask any kindergarten teacher about this, and they’ll tell you the tall, cute boys are already stronger, faster, smarter, etc. They already have lots of friends and girlfriends. Chads are bred to be confident from day one. It’s human nature.

I had a girlfriend in kindergarten, but I was nearly a year older (and had a year more of a growth) in kindergarten. Weirdly enough, I was average to small even in my kindergarten class. It’s kind of a miracle I even became average height and not a turbomanlet. I was a year older and still smaller than much of my class. Looking back at my kindergarten photos were a total blackpill. One kid in particular, we’ll call him Brad, really punched me in the gut. Brad was taller and more masculine looking than me even back then, despite being a year younger. Brad is now 6’3”, muscular, and has a Chad face. The writing is on the wall early, but you don’t realize until it’s too late.

I have met some socially inept Chads, but usually because they grew up super poor and were abused by their parents. One Chad guy I know had drug addict parents that beat the shit out of him. He has insecurity issues due to being raised by poor, awful parents that hated him.

But yeah, if it’s not your genes, it’s the money and circumstances you’re born into, which are also beyond your control. Hell, circumcision has nothing to do with genes, but it’s still a dice roll.

I wouldn’t say your parents wealth is entirely dependant on IQ, but even if it were, you’re not a carbon copy of your parents. Your dad can be a genius, and you can be a retard.

That being said, the easiest way to make money is time, and your predecessors have nothing but time. Ideally, your grandparents should die with their home paid off and with a nest egg of retirement savings. That should go to you. Now you have savings and a house, meaning you can be rich with even a modest income.

Unfortunately, many people have to start from scratch in their lives. They start off at 18 yrs old with no assets, no savings. They have to buy their own house, and car, and everything else and start all over. It doesn’t make any sense because their family should have already done these things, but that’s clownworld.

for at least some personality traits the order won't be enviorment > genes but genes > noise > enviorment
not everything that is not genes is enviorment

almost no difference is ever 100% genetic for everyone - I dont think anyone has ever claimed+meant that in the history of humanity

I don't feel like investing effort into posting studies on the relevant question when nobody seems even remotely interested in anything beyond what they believe to know already.

 

[EngelCallDell19]

It can be argued that the whitepill is the final stage of the blackpill,however,I've observed that most of the whitepilled incels (that i know irl/online) soon move on to bluepilled shit. How does a truecel even get whitepilled? How do you muster even the slightest sliver of hope out of your circumstances? It baffles me.

Btw,coping is not whitepill,that's not what I mean here.

anything other than the redpill and blackpill is cucked and bluepilled especially the clearpill

 

[CircumcisedClown]

for at least some personality traits the order won't be enviorment > genes but genes > noise > enviorment
not everything that is not genes is enviorment

almost no difference is ever 100% genetic for everyone - I dont think anyone has ever claimed+meant that in the history of humanity

I don't feel like investing effort into posting studies on the relevant question when nobody seems even remotely interested in anything beyond what they believe to know already.

The distinction is almost irrelevant because if you have good enough genes, it doesn’t matter. Only genetic losers care about maxing their genetic potential.

If you have the genes to be 6’5”, you don’t give a fuck if you stunt your height and end up 6’3” instead. Nobody cares about their fat distribution genes if you have a 6-pack abs and a sharp jawline. Circumcision may possibly stunt penis growth, but nobody cares so long as their dick is 6.5in or so. Could it have been 7in? Maybe, but who cares.

This obsession with what is genetic and what isn’t is cope from people who never had a chance to begin with. Normal people are just born, they make friends and play sports, and one day they wake up tall with a handsome face. They’ve never thought about it.

Bodybuilders care about shit like Chris Bumsted having short arms, skinny forearms, narrow calves, and a blocky waist. Normal people look at him and go

>Wow, that guy’s jacked

Without giving a fuck about the small genetic differences that make him look different compared to other jacked dudes.

One of the funniest copes is people talking about how removing your wisdom teeth makes your jawline recede. This can be true in some instances, but it is completely irrelevant if you have a good jawline. That centimeter of jawbone length only matters if you’re a borderline chinlet. Somebody like Jacob Elordi can get his wisdom teeth removed, lose a centimeter of jawlength, and it will make no fucking difference to his appearance.

Very few people are so borderline where they have to care about how mewing will change their appearance or extra sleep will change their height. A short person can do everything right and go from 5’6” to 5’7”, big whoop. A tall person can eat like a pig and never sleep and end up 6’2” instead of 6’4”. Oh well.

You get what I’m saying? If you care about these things, you never had a chance in the first place.

>Oh, if I slept better and ate well and exercised and prayed more, I would be taller

Meanwhile, Boogie2988’s fatass woke up one day, and he was 5’9”. Chris Chan woke up one day, and he was 5’11”. Do you think Chris Chan worked harder than you to be tall? No, it just fucking happened.

That’s the reality of everything. It either happens, or it doesn’t.

 

[ThisShitIsOva]

All that sounds nice in theory but I feel it's a cope for people in their mid/late 20s when the best of your life is over but you're not old enough to truly realize how much is over.

Kids in their late teens and early 20s are still in the phase when they're seeing their life slipping away from them and are supposedly to live the apex of their existence so it's not possible for them to not seethe.

At the same time geriatric embittered old devils that are way past 30 realized that every cope has an end and denying that your life was a complete scam is no longer possible, you feel as you need a refund from God/nature and you can't abandon your brooding resentment as it would be like letting him and his humans win. Accepting this utter defeat is the ultimate cuckoldry and being in a way content with your inferiority.

It's like as if the devil accepted defeat and remained in hell coping and being ok with the punishment instead of constantly attacking even if it's vain. It's said in Paradise lost by him (or by Beelzebub can't remember) : "a defeat is never complete and only half of it if you're submitted only through force". The implication being your complete annihilation comes only through acceptance of your position. Another quote this time I'm pretty sure by Satan

"What matters if we lost as long as we have our scheme of vengeance and the immortality of our hatred?"

 

[FakeFakecel]

You don’t realize how important height is until it’s basically too late to do anything about it.

What can you even do about it?

 

[CircumcisedClown]

What can you even do about it?

Realistically, nothing, but taking HGH during peak puberty years can give you an extra 3in on average. However, this isn’t enough for turbomanlets, and it has mostly only been tested on individuals with HGH deficiencies. It’s not clear whether it would have any affect on a healthy, but short, male with no deficiencies.

I did know a girl that had a diagnosed HGH deficiency. Her parents opted against giving her treatment because

>Being short is good for a girl anyways

She ended up like 4’11” with the body of a toddler and no tits or ass. She looks very old in the face and has lots of wrinkles and baggy eyes. She’s now a lesbian because she basically looks like an ugly elementary school girl.

If you ever wanted an example of gender roles fucking a girl over, there you go. She could have been a normal, 5’4” girl with tits and ass and a boyfriend, but her parents obsession with le femlet dimorphism turned her into an ugly, lesbian gremlin. Also, her parents had military insurance, so money wasn’t the issue.

Talking to her, she seemed very resentful of her parents and their decisions, but had ultimately made peace with it because she was too young to know any better. I had a lot of empathy for her, because, as a circumcised man, we had both become victims of our parents’ latent fetishes.

My dad thought being circumcised made sex better, and her dad/mom thought she could be the pretty, petite femlet that all the boys would use as a fun-sized sex doll. Parents fucking suck.

 

[FakeFakecel]

Parents fucking suck.

Agreed.

Isn't taking HGH illegal unless prescribed though? (In the US,For some fucking reason the feds want manlets to stay manlets) I guess that makes me feel a little better,but it's not like I knew just how much it was over for me,let alone consider HGH treatment options when I was in puberty.

 

[BornToLose]

I can't be arsed to read this whole thread but basically the is the antithesis of the . I can't believe it might be suggested otherwise.

 

[CircumcisedClown]

Agreed.

Isn't taking HGH illegal unless prescribed though? (In the US,For some fucking reason the feds want manlets to stay manlets) I guess that makes me feel a little better,but it's not like I knew just how much it was over for me,let alone consider HGH treatment options when I was in puberty.

In the USA, yes, but not other countries.

Also, it’s not that hard to get a hold of despite its legal status in the USA.

 

[Carpanesi]

Lol, this is so incredibly wrong, it’s hilarious. Anyone can be short/tall because everyone has short/tall ancestors.

Your environment can determine 20% of your height. However, if you live in the West, get at least 5hrs of sleep a night, don’t have severe illness, eat 3 meals a day, etc., you are probably at least 95% of your peak height. Your peak height is genetic, and your environment will determine whether you ever get there.

What this also means is genetics determine your floor height. Meaning how tall you’ll be if everything goes wrong. The Dinka Tribe in Africa has an average height of 6’0” despite being poor as fuck and basically starving. If your max height is 6’5” and literally everything goes wrong, you’ll still probably be like 6’2”.

Also, your size/length/weight out of the womb is a huge indicator of your adult height, assuming you weren’t born premature. This is a combination of nutrition in the womb and genetics. While environmental factors are at play here, you can’t control them, so it might as well be genetic.

I was born like 19in and 7.5 ounces, which is pretty average. I am now 5’10”. Little brother was like 20in and 8 ounches. He’s now 6’0”. My older brother was like 23in and 9.5 ounces or so. He’s now 6’3”. You get the picture.

Also, kids with Down Syndromes are obviously typically short. This is purely genetic. Dwarfism is largely genetic.

On the other side, kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (meaning mommy drank while pregant) are often shorter. This is purely environmental.

It’s a combination of 80% genetic factors and 20% environmental factors you can’t control. Also, by the time you’re 16, which is when you first start realizing how important height is, you’re basically almost done growing. You don’t realize how important height is until it’s basically too late to do anything about it.

Even then there's stuff like idiopathic shortness, which has no clear/know causes. It may be too late when diagnosed

 

[Carpanesi]

for at least some personality traits the order won't be enviorment > genes but genes > noise > enviorment
not everything that is not genes is enviorment

almost no difference is ever 100% genetic for everyone - I dont think anyone has ever claimed+meant that in the history of humanity

I don't feel like investing effort into posting studies on the relevant question when nobody seems even remotely interested in anything beyond what they believe to know already.

Like I said there are exceptions but those are very few

Many who mantain a shape without dieting/exercise have a genetic advantage, sure, but as long as anyone keep a diet and adhere to exercise program, they will get in shape too. Some faster than others, some easier than others, but everyone can (except those with super rare diseases, like 0,01% rare).

Ofc you won't be anywhere close to mr. olympia but you can attain shape, Lyoto machida has bad genetics and he is a top tier fighter in Brazil, a true example to all of us

 

[Carpanesi]

The distinction is almost irrelevant because if you have good enough genes, it doesn’t matter. Only genetic losers care about maxing their genetic potential.

If you have the genes to be 6’5”, you don’t give a fuck if you stunt your height and end up 6’3” instead. Nobody cares about their fat distribution genes if you have a 6-pack abs and a sharp jawline. Circumcision may possibly stunt penis growth, but nobody cares so long as their dick is 6.5in or so. Could it have been 7in? Maybe, but who cares.

This obsession with what is genetic and what isn’t is cope from people who never had a chance to begin with. Normal people are just born, they make friends and play sports, and one day they wake up tall with a handsome face. They’ve never thought about it.

Bodybuilders care about shit like Chris Bumsted having short arms, skinny forearms, narrow calves, and a blocky waist. Normal people look at him and go

>Wow, that guy’s jacked

Without giving a fuck about the small genetic differences that make him look different compared to other jacked dudes.

One of the funniest copes is people talking about how removing your wisdom teeth makes your jawline recede. This can be true in some instances, but it is completely irrelevant if you have a good jawline. That centimeter of jawbone length only matters if you’re a borderline chinlet. Somebody like Jacob Elordi can get his wisdom teeth removed, lose a centimeter of jawlength, and it will make no fucking difference to his appearance.

Very few people are so borderline where they have to care about how mewing will change their appearance or extra sleep will change their height. A short person can do everything right and go from 5’6” to 5’7”, big whoop. A tall person can eat like a pig and never sleep and end up 6’2” instead of 6’4”. Oh well.

You get what I’m saying? If you care about these things, you never had a chance in the first place.

>Oh, if I slept better and ate well and exercised and prayed more, I would be taller

Meanwhile, Boogie2988’s fatass woke up one day, and he was 5’9”. Chris Chan woke up one day, and he was 5’11”. Do you think Chris Chan worked harder than you to be tall? No, it just fucking happened.

That’s the reality of everything. It either happens, or it doesn’t.

Most women prefer normal bodies rather than bodybuilder/ripped ones. Im fact those bodybuilders have some trouble dating cute women, those they date are those in it for the clout and status

However they'll also prefer healthier shorter males with a "harmonic" face than tall and fat/ugly guy with lower aesthetic care.

So it makes no sense to blame all on genetics and not improve yourself. Being short isn't end of the world, having short dick isn't either

There's guys with small penises (not micro though) dating and getting married, same for short guys, ofc they have stuff going on for them - they could've blamed genetics but instead they played on whatever advantages they had on the field

I remember seeing on the pedia a picture of the reddit incels meetup, they were mostly normal or even above average guys with actual normal faces, if it didn't state it was an incel meetup no one would ever figure it out. Most meetups from other subs would be filled with fatsos with colored hair and deformed faces/bodies, because that's most of reddit userbase especially left leaning subs

It's dumb to just blame genetics, most people here are either average or around average mathematically, that's why we at least try to improve a bit, this isn't just to improve chances @ ascending but also to live a better life overall

LDAR is a lie, self improvement not necessarily for the sake of fucking female someday is king.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

Like I said there are exceptions but those are very few

Many who mantain a shape without dieting/exercise have a genetic advantage, sure, but as long as anyone keep a diet and adhere to exercise program, they will get in shape too. Some faster than others, some easier than others, but everyone can (except those with super rare diseases, like 0,01% rare).

Ofc you won't be anywhere close to mr. olympia but you can attain shape, Lyoto machida has bad genetics and he is a top tier fighter in Brazil, a true example to all of us

hopeless

 

[Carpanesi]

What can you even do about it?

Not much - that's the whole point

Why waste so much thinking, energy, resources overall in something that yields little to not result? What can't be changed shouldn't be invested upon. Time - not money - is the ultimate resource, you can exchange time for money but not the other way around, you can't pay someone to turn back the clock

I have a rather impopular opinion about height and overall genetics. I think it's for the best they can't be circumvented. If height could be increased somehow, then tall guys would not only still have the advantage (because they would still be able to push their height higher) but every male would be peer-pressured into getting the procedure.

So, it would be a waste of time to invest time and resources into increasing height even if it was possible. LL operation is also fail because it only lenghtens your legs, meaning you'll still have a kid's torso and it will mess up your leg/torso ratio, making your figure more "feminine".

It's best to invest in other basics that require much less effort. Exercise and diet, which yields huge results in aesthetics, paired up with skin care, proper hair/beard care and clothing/fashion.

There's a lot of short guys dating and tall guys alone. There's a lot of "tallcels" here no doubt. Height matters but it isn't the endgame if you can cover the other bases properly

 

[Carpanesi]

hopeless

Like I said lyoto machida completely disproves your "thesis"

Not only him but many others. You can't go wrong with proper diet and exercise

There's a lot of ways to eat protein with spending much less than meats

I have it easy since I totally leech of my parents and almost never have to do grocery shopping. As long as they don't kick me from the house I have pretty much unlimited sources of protein (chicken meat) which is incredibly cheap in my region, like ~10 brl a kg. That's less than 1 USD per lb

 

[Carpanesi]

If I had to say the worst seems to being ethnic

Since it not only fucks your height it also fucks up lots of other aesthetic aspects of life

It's also something that can't be changed and yeah whites again have a clear, rather unfair advantage as they can travel and make much easier to get dates

I would never change my race (i'm white) for being a tall ethnic. I'd rather keep my medium height than gain 20cm and not be white anymore. Despite that I don't see myself visiting another country for relationships. I'd rather escort here as it's legal and cheap.

 

[Sorll_]

It can be argued that the whitepill is the final stage of the blackpill,however,I've observed that most of the whitepilled incels (that i know irl/online) soon move on to bluepilled shit. How does a truecel even get whitepilled? How do you muster even the slightest sliver of hope out of your circumstances? It baffles me.

Btw,coping is not whitepill,that's not what I mean here.

In my opinion I feel like the whitepill is just accepting the fact that the blackpill is true and continuing to find things to cope with your reality like hobbies, gymcelling, travelmaxxing, etc.

Basically just accepting the fact that you missed out on many life experiences and that your probably going to be alone for ever but making the most of whatever you have left.