Serious where the fuck did the "men peak at 50" MGTOW myth come from?

[Hunter]

some may not say 50. maybe 40 or even early to mid 30s but still you get the point. after 25 a mans looks go downhill as they get more wrinkles, start norwooding, etc. most of those male model chads you see are early 20s. sure, after 30 men on average amass more status and money than they ever had in their 20s but looks >money/status. the status they get isnt even slayer tier status like being a celebrity or company owner, its usually just a promotion or some shit.

 

[Ritalincel]

the soy plant

 

[Gokugetem]

I have no idea, but I can verify that 30s are no easier than 20s. If anything, they are worse.

 

[inklingPro 1980]

I still don't understand why MGTOW is hated. Sure some are volcels. But we share so much in common. I don't think MGTOW have issues with incels. Do you? Am I wrong?

I have no idea, but I can verify that 30s are no easier than 20s. If anything, they are worse.

Can confirm.

 

[Hunter]

I still don't understand why MGTOW is hated. Sure some are volcels. But we share so much in common. I don't think MGTOW have issues with incels. Do you? Am I wrong?

Can confirm.

i endorse MGTOW. im just picking at one of the bullshit myths spouted by MGTOW.

 

[NEETAndTidy]

Probably came from some coping 50 year old imcel tbh

 

[11gaijin]

Never heard that tbh

Probably came from some coping 50 year old imcel tbh

 

[Ritalincel]

Can confirm

 

[inklingPro 1980]

Lol. Maybe not if you're Chad or Stacy. But as a very nearly gen Y (38) don't you think shit is harder for our gen than previous gen in some ways? Especially when it comes to standard of living. Even as a single dude working FT the most basic shit like a studio get further and further out of reach. Notice people who have it made were born with a face that guaranteed success. If everyone kissed my ass and praised me I wouldn't be a college dropout because I'd be confident and want to work towards bettering myself.

 

[Zaetheus]

MGTOW hate incels I don’t know why u guys even try. They will insult you like inceltears would are anybody else frankly.yea , their red,or blackpilled somewhat but they they still follow pua and red ideology

 

[StaroRavager]

I'd say peak is 30

 

[Hunter]

MGTOW hate incels I don’t know why u guys even try. They will insult you like inceltears would are anybody else frankly.yea , their red,or blackpilled somewhat but they they still follow pua and red ideology

only because we hate them. we are opposite sides of the same fucking coin. we need to band together rather than split up. thats what IT, the media and everyone else wants us to do.

 

[Zaetheus]

only because we hate them. we are opposite sides of the same fucking coin. we need to band together rather than split up. thats what IT, the media and everyone else wants us to do.

I tried saying exactly what you just said . They called me a “ bitter virgin” and spouted red pill advice, exercise, hair, game, etc. They also banned me btw,on my main account on cuckit

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Same reason why a lot of guys naively believe that women become desperate and unwanted as they get older...wishful thinking. (See: "The wall" myth)

While the majority of guys are not straight up truecel....the majority of guys are not happy with their obvious lack of SMV. Most guys have to take what they can get (which in many cases is a sub3 woman and/or a single mother), deal with a lot of rejection, get dumped, get cucked, beta bux, go through long dry spells, etc. They're just obviously not going to be vocal about it as they don't want to come off as "bitter losers" or whatever.

Some simply accept their lot in life...but others desperately want to believe that when they get older, things will get better for them. They want to believe that if they work really hard when they're young, climb the corporate ladder, get that promotion and that nice car by the time they're 40, the shoe will be on the other foot and 40 year old women will be desperate and throwing themselves at them. Of course in reality, even if they do become financially successful, if they find themselves still single by 40, the best they can hope for would be to betabux for a single mother who won't be attracted to him and will cuck him for a much younger guy, and divorce rape him.

It's too bitter of a pill for most young guys to swallow that this IS their peak and that's it's only downhill from here. It's an even more bitter pill for a 25 year old to swallow that he is already past his peak (in terms of how attractive he is to women).

Take the agepill.

 

[Hunter]

I tried saying exactly what you just said . They called me a “ bitter virgin” and spouted red pill advice, exercise, hair, game, etc. They also banned me btw,on my main account on cuckit

maybe you have a point. red pillers really need to quit anti-incel signalling and fucking band with us.

Same reason why a lot of guys naively believe that women become desperate and unwanted as they get older...wishful thinking. (See: "The wall" myth)

While the majority of guys are not straight up truecel....the majority of guys are not happy with their obvious lack of SMV. Most guys have to take what they can get (which in many cases is a sub3 woman and/or a single mother), deal with a lot of rejection, get dumped, get cucked, beta bux, go through long dry spells, etc. They're just obviously not going to be vocal about it as they don't want to come off as "bitter losers" or whatever.

Some simply accept their lot in life...but others desperately want to believe that when they get older, things will get better for them. They want to believe that if they work really hard when they're young, climb the corporate ladder, get that promotion and that nice car by the time they're 40, the shoe will be on the other foot and 40 year old women will be desperate and throwing themselves at them. Of course in reality, even if they do become financially successful, if they find themselves still single by 40, the best they can hope for would be to betabux for a single mother who won't be attracted to him and will cuck him for a much younger guy, and divorce rape him.

It's too bitter of a pill for most young guys to swallow that this IS their peak and that's it's only downhill from here. It's an even more bitter pill for a 25 year old to swallow that he is already past his peak (in terms of how attractive he is to women).

Take the agepill.

kek. they know they're fucked when their best prospect in life is betabuxxing.

 

[Gokugetem]

I'd say peak is 30

My SMV peak was like 26-28. Once I hit 30 I plummeted.

I always thought the wall was a problem for women, but I hit it hard. The difference being I never got to have someone else love me the way foids get tons of men.

 

[Simp]

They think being betabux for a single mom is "peak SMV".

 

[Dude420]

It is the best sell pitch for red pill to say to young men who don't have success with women that they simply haven't peaked yet. You won't get the 24 years old hotty at 45 years old unless you max out every fucking area in your life, peak at 40 is a myth. You peak as soon as you are out of college I would say and have a decent job. Yes, you will in most cases make more money over time(no guarantee though) but that will be balanced out by looks. It isn't only woman who drop in terms of fertility as they age; sperm quality decrease too (less than women, but still), if you are looking for the best genes men at 25y old should be preferred over older men.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4455614/
" Our exhaustive literature review has demonstrated negative effects on sperm quality and testicular functions with increasing paternal age. Epigenetics changes, DNA mutations along with chromosomal aneuploidies have been associated with increasing paternal age. In addition to increased risk of male infertility, paternal age has also been demonstrated to impact reproductive and fertility outcomes including a decrease in IVF/ICSI success rate and increasing rate of preterm birth. Increasing paternal age has shown to increase the incidence of different types of disorders like autism, schizophrenia, bipolar disorders, and childhood leukemia in the progeny. It is thereby essential to educate the infertile couples on the disturbing links between increased paternal age and rising disorders in their offspring, to better counsel them during their reproductive years."

 

[Jockcel]

MCTOW (Men Cope Their Own Way)

 

[Hunter]

It is the best sell pitch for red pill to say to young men who don't have success with women that they simply haven't peaked yet. You won't get the 24 years old hotty at 45 years old unless you max out every fucking area in your life, peak at 40 is a myth. You peak as soon as you are out of college I would say and have a decent job. Yes, you will in most cases make more money over time(no guarantee though) but that you will be balanced out by looks. It isn't only woman who drop in terms of fertility as they age; sperm quality decrease too (less than women, but still), if you are looking for the best genes men at 25y old should be preferred over older men.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4455614/
" Our exhaustive literature review has demonstrated negative effects on sperm quality and testicular functions with increasing paternal age. Epigenetics changes, DNA mutations along with chromosomal aneuploidies have been associated with increasing paternal age. In addition to increased risk of male infertility, paternal age has also been demonstrated to impact reproductive and fertility outcomes including a decrease in IVF/ICSI success rate and increasing rate of preterm birth. Increasing paternal age has shown to increase the incidence of different types of disorders like autism, schizophrenia, bipolar disorders, and childhood leukemia in the progeny. It is thereby essential to educate the infertile couples on the disturbing links between increased paternal age and rising disorders in their offspring, to better counsel them during their reproductive years."

peak looks = peak SMV in most cases tbh and peak looks is usually 18-25

 

[Uglyman]

The same place the "women hit the wall at 30" did

 

[PersonalityChad]

I still don't understand why MGTOW is hated.

I don't hate them. In fact, i agree with them. For the most part.

 

[Dude420]

peak looks = peak SMV in most cases tbh and peak looks is usually 18-25

Women also value social status and money, I will say you peak just after college and you lend a decent job in your field in most cases. Women peak at 25, it is rare that a 18y old dude is able to attract women of that age in her peak.

 

[Deleted member 7448]

Men peak at ~18-24. From then on it's a very quick decline.

 

[Jockcel]

Same reason why a lot of guys naively believe that women become desperate and unwanted as they get older...wishful thinking. (See: "The wall" myth)

While the majority of guys are not straight up truecel....the majority of guys are not happy with their obvious lack of SMV. Most guys have to take what they can get (which in many cases is a sub3 woman and/or a single mother), deal with a lot of rejection, get dumped, get cucked, beta bux, go through long dry spells, etc. They're just obviously not going to be vocal about it as they don't want to come off as "bitter losers" or whatever.

Some simply accept their lot in life...but others desperately want to believe that when they get older, things will get better for them. They want to believe that if they work really hard when they're young, climb the corporate ladder, get that promotion and that nice car by the time they're 40, the shoe will be on the other foot and 40 year old women will be desperate and throwing themselves at them. Of course in reality, even if they do become financially successful, if they find themselves still single by 40, the best they can hope for would be to betabux for a single mother who won't be attracted to him and will cuck him for a much younger guy, and divorce rape him.

It's too bitter of a pill for most young guys to swallow that this IS their peak and that's it's only downhill from here. It's an even more bitter pill for a 25 year old to swallow that he is already past his peak (in terms of how attractive he is to women).

Take the agepill.

Man I love this guy (no homo)

 

[Deleted member 6101]

Male betabux provider potential rises with with their level of professional development. This, combined with the clicking biological clock and the gradual implosion of female SMV in the 30-45yo timeframe levels the playing field a bit. A 4/10 man with a stable profession is basically gold for +40yo spinsters and single mothers.

 

[Jockcel]

Men peak at ~18-24. From then on it's a very quick decline.

23 is the objective peak.

Male betabux provider potential rises with with their level of professional development. This, combined with the clicking biological clock and the gradual implosion of female SMV in the 30-45yo timeframe levels the playing field a bit. A 4/10 man with a stable profession is basically gold for +40yo spinsters and single mothers.

This. If you are blackpilled you know betabux is a bad deal for you, at least in the west.

 

[Redpill Robert]

Because MGTOW/TRP faggots were nothing in their teens and 20's so they cope by telling themselves shit like "that's okay! When I'm 40 and financially stable THEN all the ladies will love me!" Rare exceptions aside (like good looking people who stay looking in their 20's into their 40's; i.e. nobody from MGTOW/TRP) nothing will change for them.

A very similar cope from them is trying to talk trash about "douchebags who peaked in highschool/college." Yeah, and what were YOU at that age? Thought so. It's retarded in the first place seeing as how most people peak at those ages.

 

[MarriedAndLookin4Fun]

Men really peak at 18-late 20's. At 30 the skin loses elasticity and it becomes wrinkly and shit, plus the norwood cementery strikes and will most likely destroy your hairline. If a guy is attractive at 30-40 then he was gigachad tier at 15-29

 

[TheRealChincel]

It comes from denying that they missed out on the teen and early 20s years. Yeah, you’ll somehow meet at the intersection of good looks and good income @ 35. Then there’s the super copers who think old Michael Douglas legitimately attracted Catherine Zeta-Jones or that Jeff Goldblum’s charm got him a 30-something gf. Keep on pushing off your expiration date and then by the time it doesn’t happen, you’re either dying or don’t have the drive to care.

 

[CopingManletcel]

Like all of MGTOW philosophy, its a giga cope.

REMINDER

MGTOW = UMSTOW (Ugly Men Sent Their Own Way)

 

[Dude420]

That's how i see it

SMV match are something like
19F - 22M
25F - 28M
30F - 35M
40F - 50M

you know that standard model makes no sense, otherwise you will see 40 years old men(peak men) with 25 years old women(peak women) all the time and you know it isn't the case

 

[WarriorSkull]

It's an obvious carry over from before women received lifetime welfare from the government. It typically took 20 years to build your career and amass wealth and assets. If you reached 40-50 without already being married, it was an anomaly because women needed men as providers. If you reached that point without being married, you were likely to attract a higher quality woman than you were capable of at 21.

 

[Deleted member 4159]

Most mgtow are 50 themselves, and say that to cope. Back in the day, a mans money and status would peak at 50. But since women are making more money, they no longer need a guy for money and status.

 

[backyardslayer]

What they really mean is that their coping levels peak when they're 50.

 

[Konon]

I'd argue men even age worse than women.

1. Women still have tons of orbiters into their 60s
2. Men start balding early on and have beer bellies by 30, making them very unattractive. Keep in mind looks are extremely important.
3. Women can use make up, men can't
4. Women are 1000x happier than almost any man, thus looking younger

 

[FrustratedWhiteMale]

At 50, the women should become easier. Not many men want a 50+ year old woman, so the 50+ year old men should have it much easier.

 

[incelgration]

Depends on genetics. Some people I know started looking like men and getting girls when they reached 30. Some became ugly and bald at 26.

 

[itneverbegun]

When they say peak.. they mean desirability.
Not phisically.
Men in their 50s are the equivalent of "prime JB" for women looking for a betabuxxer

 

[Crustaciouse]

Men reach peak betabux potential at 50.

 

[Deleted member 236]

When they say peak.. they mean desirability.
Not phisically.
Men in their 50s are the equivalent of "prime JB" for women looking for a betabuxxer

lol. You should visit www.reddit.com/r/datingoverthirty and see how fucking picky and egotistical women are. Their standards don't drop anywhere near as much as they used to because there's no economic imperative (they get men's resources via taxes without the need to sell their cunt), and they have higher status (job/education) than men nowadays.

 

[Deleted member 1252]

Desperate, pathetic ugly men who hope that somehow, magically, in the future, they will get laid.