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Where are you on the spectrum between incel and volcel?

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Firstly, I'll explain the idea of a spectrum between incel and volcel. At first, they appear to be polar opposites. But I think there are shades of grey between the two. At the one end, you have asexuals and those who have taken a vow of celibacy for religious reasons, for example - these people have no desire or intention to have sex or find a romantic relationship. The other extreme would be hypersexual incels for whom the inceldom is almost unbearable due to their unusually high libido - these people would most likely be in a near constant state of deep depression.

With this in mind, I've found myself questioning where I am between the two.

Do I want to have sex? Well, as a heterosexual male with a normal, working libido, yes - there is a part of me that wants to have sex. It's our most fundamental biological instinct. And it's only natural to be curious about trying something you've never done. But I'm not absolutely desperate for it. I still get sexual release through masturbation, which allows me to go at my own pace, do it whenever I want, and do it exactly how I like it. Is it better than sex? I don't know - I've never had sex, so I can't compare the two - but I know that I like being able to have my sexual release exactly the way I like it, and I don't imagine sex would be quite as straight forward.

Do I want a romantic relationship? Again, there is an element of curiosity in wanting to experience something I've never had. But again, I'm not desperate for it. I'm naturally introverted so I like my own time and space, and to be honest, I don't see how a romantic relationship would really fit into my life. I never want kids, I like living alone, and I'm protective of my autonomy/independence, which would most likely be compromised in a relationship.

Over the last year or so, I feel I've been gradually transitioning from incel to volcel, for a couple of reasons:

1. I've approached 179 girls - more than the average guy will in his lifetime. Knowing I've tried harder than most guys ever will has given me some peace of mind.

2. Knowing the immense amount of work that would have to go into getting a date, let alone a relationship, makes me seriously doubt whether it's worth it. Most guys find romantic relationships as a natural part of their lives without much effort or planning. I would have to approach an absurdly large number of girls to have even the most miniscule chance of it happening. On a cost/benefit analysis, it doesn't stand up.

Today, for example, I was considering going into the city to do approaches. I didn't, and instead ended up spending copious amounts of time on here. And do you know what? It was better. Much, much better. Instead of wasting money on a train ticket to walk around in the cold for hours, getting constantly rejected, I was able to relax, LDAR and enjoy contributing and reading posts here, some of which genuinely made me laugh. In the afternoon I went out to get food alone, and just enjoyed relaxing by myself. I didn't need a girl to be there with me - in fact, it was better, as I prefer just eating alone than with another person and being expected to make conversation.

If this makes me a volcel, then maybe it's the best way to be after all.
 
If it means having to settle for a hairy feminist landwhale who'll treat me like shit then I'm volcel.
 
I’m borderline volcel at this point in my life tbh.

My desire for sex is far outmatched by my hated for foids.
 
I can't even get landwhales or ugly fucks,been on Tinder for months without a single match (except that one time where my match unmatched me 10 seconds later),I tried drinking alcohol and dance with them in parties only to look fucking pathetic and being told I dance like an old man,being shown the middle finger out of a sudden without asking for it,told I have the voice of a little boy by them,making the gesture and voice of vomiting in front me when someone asked her if she would date me,be probably among the most ripped and physical healthy guys on this site who worksout at least two hours a day all for fucking nothing,being seen with a facial expression of disgust by a escort who I paid more than she deserved,being rejected a birthday gift that costed me a lot and I still keep like a fucking cuck,being the guy that literally sits in a corner in a party while everyone is kissing or touching each other,being called ugly by a fatfuck short foid who had a very punchable face,can't keep a 5 min conversation with a foid without them mentioning their boyfriends at least thrice.

Imagine
 
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my standards are not high at all. i accept most things
 
There’s no spectrum you are or you arent
 
Incel. There is no spectrum. You're either an incel or a Chad.
 
I will not settle for less than my looksmatch. If that makes me volcel, so be it.
 
I like your classification between incel and volcel, but I do see a degree of overlap. Being volcel nowadays is frequently because of forced decisions due to a fucked up sexual marketplace. Therefore, I tend to see volceldom like a "less forced" form of inceldom. While theoretically and mathematically anyone could have a shot, it becomes practically unfeasible even for a matter of time. I would estimate that each point below a 6/10 rating, at very least doubles the required approaches to get a success. For example, I would say a 6/10 male would take at least 100 approaches to get lucky, a 5/10 at least 200 and so on. This, calculated without any particular adverse external condition and generalized to any type of approach, which is not very realistic.

Without forgetting that, on average, we're still competing for a price-gouged, rabid feminist -9 with a 300% sex appeal debuff caused by multiple coexisting HPV strains, which are also possibly mutating each other.
 
100% truecel checking in

I am essentially Casanova stuck in the body of Danny DeVito
 
I guess you could say I’m a volcel in the sense that I don’t even bother trying anymore. If you look at your life and see nothing but failure ahead then why try? My standards are reasonable and I’d be willing to date a large variety of foids but none of them would give me a chance and they would simply view me as another creepy orbiter
 
gymcel
I can't even get landwhales or ugly fucks,been on Tinder for months without a single match (except that one time where my match unmatched me 10 seconds later),I tried drinking alcohol and dance with them in parties only to look fucking pathetic and being told I dance like an old man,being shown the middle finger out of a sudden without asking for it,told I have the voice of a little boy by them,making the gesture and voice of vomiting in front me when someone asked her if she would date me,be probably among the most ripped and physical healthy guys on this site who worksout at least two hours a day all for fucking nothing,being seen with a facial expression of disgust by a escort who I paid more than she deserved,being rejected a birthday gift that costed me a lot and I still keep like a fucking cuck,being the guy that literally sits in a corner in a party while everyone is kissing or touching each other,being called ugly by a fatfuck short foid who had a very punchable face,can't keep a 5 min conversation with a foid without them mentioning their boyfriends at least thrice.

Imagine
There are no more haircuts, there are no more showers, there are no more personalities. It is over. You've reached the end
 
I'm legit incel. I have been rejected six times and rejected by same foid twice.

you know what i mean. it is over for me.
 
I’m borderline volcel at this point in my life tbh.

My desire for sex is far outmatched by my hated for foids.
Basically this. I think we should do away with sex as a concept like Elliot proposed.
 
Well I think this post comes down to whether or not you can be volcel if you're also, technically, incel. This idea runs a fine line between simply being honest, and diverting over into MSTOW territory.

For me, it's difficult to say exactly. I'm deeply bothered by being incel, but not necessarily due to a lack of sex alone. I'd like to experience sex of course, however it's just the overall loneliness and the feeling of having been alienated my whole life which bothers me most. I want a female to hold me and tell me that I matter, I want to cuddle with her and do things together. I know this is :soy:, but they're my honest feelings.

I wish I could be like other men who only care about having missed out on sex, as from my perspective it seems easier to cope with, as there is no fapping for the sort of loneliness I'm talking about. Waifusim is a good cope, and really the only thing that seems to help, although I want her to be real tbh.
 
Very few of us are absolute trucels. I can probably get with an obese polyamoruous landwhale with five kids, if I act like a token NPC never trumper and give her the sugar daddy treatment on top of that. Or maybe she'd reject me for being "not manly" enough. I'll admit, I haven't tried completely inverting my soul for a woman yet.
 
Very few of us are absolute trucels. I can probably get with an obese polyamoruous landwhale with five kids, if I act like a token NPC never trumper and give her the sugar daddy treatment on top of that. Or maybe she'd reject me for being "not manly" enough. I'll admit, I haven't tried THAT hard.
That would be cucked and not a satisfactory situation.
 
Even if I wasn't a facecel and a heightcel with extreme high inhibition and I worked out (though I don't think would put on muscle because I'm a low T and I'm an extreme ectomorph, but at least I could burn my fat rolls) I could never satisfy any foid with my limp dicklet. She would probably laugh at me and walk away.
 
Im second definately
 

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