Serious What's your view on suicide ?

[inklingPro 1980]

probably. I've tried vaping before and its shit. most likely just addicted to everything. My lungs are radioactive as fuck. I'm gonna buy a Geiger counter and put it near my chest.

nicotine aint shiiit. It's more addicted to the user than the user is to it

If you used a small disposable ecig (big tobacco's joke of a a forray into the vaping industry) it's going to suck. Those are weak and better for social smokers transitioning to vaping. If you get a tank and mod system it's 100x better. You get taste and throat hit just like a cig. I smoked for 17 years and once I got introduced to a tank system never looked back. You can't judge vaping by a piece of shit disposable. If you prefer to smoke then that's your call.

Religion is a joke. God is a cope

I agree with the former. It is cope but it's my fucking cope.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

No one asked to be born so everyone should have the right to die.

I admire people who have guts to do it tbh

Suicide should be as accepted as drinking water.

 

[inklingPro 1980]

I’ve used all types of vapes. Proper rigs. High nic content. None of them do shit for me

Really? Ok maybe you just prefer smoking. It's expensive. Now that vaping is set to overtake tobacco in terms of sales they want to overtax that too. Fuck having a vice I guess. Fuck us.

 

[Inbuddhist]

Nothing I can say will help you than, but don't forget that I warned you I guess. Hell is very real and is worse than being an incel. Hell, being a cuck is worse than incel in alot of ways.

Go ahead and give Pascal's Wager a google and see if that convinces you at least.

I don't want to hear you bitching about drugs either. Nobody is born being addicted to anything. There are way better copes in life than drugs. There are so many misguided incels on this site who choose unhealthy copes instead of good one. CFM has a great cope. Gymcels, while wasting their time, do improve themselves in some way. There are theologicalcels like me. Hell, even spamming one-sentence contentless posts on a small internet forum is a way better cope than drugs. I refuse to feel bad for anyone who chose drug addiction. Inceldom is not a choice, but every addiction starts with a bad choice.

Pasal wager is the dumbest idea i've ever seen

It implies a religious assumptions that it has to prove, a circular argment.

A real bet would be among trillions/infinite deity possibilities (including a deity that send all people who are religious or didn't commit suicide to hell), which makes the bet senseless.

That's the real bet. A bet between nothing and "christian god" isn't a bet, it has christianity incorporated into it.

 

[A10n3]

Interesting topic.
I believe lastly suicide is a stupid choice, because it's like sinking your own ship. It also implies you have rejected all possibilities that things can at some point get better for you, which is in fact very likely to happen in the future, though 100% sure to never happen again if you pull the trigger to your final breath.
You never know what tomorrow will bring and it is definitely silly to bet it's over and end it yourself.
However, you'll never witness me pointing finger to someone who choosed sui, because I am not in his mind to understand why he decided to. I know he made the wrong choice but I wouldn't go and judge him for that.
At one point, I might choose this path for myself aswell. People who are judging suiciders should rather ask themselves first : "Is there anything I could have done to help him and prevent his action?".
Yes suicide is stupid, but so is life.

 

[IHateMySelf]

I dont if someone kill himself.

 

[Chadani]

Suicide without going ER is cucked.

 

[Untermenschcel]

Suicide is never the answer! Going ER is the only answer!

 

[Zesto]

https://incels.is/threads/the-only-way-id-choose-death.62263/

 

[StaroRavager]

Ending your life is an absolute right, I can't see how people think this edgy or outrageous. It's just so evident.

 

[Ragellsaveus]

death is coming by itself, why are you in such a hurry?

 

[WallyFail]

Only the person knows your feelings. Suicide is ok.

 

[bkdreamkb]

Suicide is the logical answer that any sane man arrives when he thinks deeply about life.

When finding this answer, we can only cope by leaping into faith or reason. I found a third way: Revolting against society.

I admit that the future is hopeless, but I try to find a way to change that. To change the burdens society put on me that cause my misery.

Suicide is what they want. Is recognizing you are to blame for all your problems. Is taking away the responsibility society has for one's suffering.

However, I don't think that suicide should be illegal. If someone recognizes the uselessness of suffering, the absence of any profound reason to live, he should be free to choose if he want to continue living.

 

[FlyFace]

It's not the question that anybody deserves to die, it's that nobody deserved to live in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

Everyone deserves a choice. Theres NOTHING wrong with ending your life. It only hurts you. Nobody else. People deserve a choice

 

[con_jt]

It's not the question that nobody deserves to die, it's that nobody deserved to live in the first place.

Upon what premise is “it that nobody deserved to live in the first place” that’s not really rational.

Suicide is an option but it really not the rational one. Hence therefore suicide is stupid, because there’s too many unknown variables which affect ones reality. Idk about anyone else, but the most rational option is to regret doing a thing than regret not doing it. Suicide being the exemption because you can’t regret doing it afterwards since it’s a permanent solution to a temporary (albeit seemingly feels like eternity) problem/issue.

Suicide is the logical answer that any sane man arrives when he thinks deeply about life.

When finding this answer, we can only cope by leaping into faith or reason. I found a third way: Revolting against society.

I admit that the future is hopeless, but I try to find a way to change that. To change the burdens society put on me that cause my misery.

Suicide is what they want. Is recognizing you are to blame for all your problems. Is taking away the responsibility society has for one's suffering.

However, I don't think that suicide should be illegal. If someone recognizes the uselessness of suffering, the absence of any profound reason to live, he should be free to choose if he want to continue living.

I disagree, it may seem rational but it really isn’t. Sure it’s an option but read my other response in this thread making my point.

death is coming by itself, why are you in such a hurry?

That’s a perfect response!

 

[FlyFace]

Upon what premise is “it that nobody deserved to live in the first place” that’s not really rational.

I think I mixed it up..

My point is that humanity shouldn't really exist and the only way to stop it is by destroying the earth and its atmosphere tbh.

 

[con_jt]

I think I mixed it up..

My point is that humanity shouldn't really exist and the only way to stop it is by destroying the earth and its atmosphere tbh.

Ok gotcha! ... I’m curious though, why?

 

[Deleted member 1252]

Suicide is basically a good thing.

 

[Inbuddhist]

Ok gotcha! ... I’m curious though, why?

Read this and you'll understand

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifrustrationism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_utilitarianism

 

[con_jt]

Suicide is basically a good thing.

Upon what evidence?

 

[FlyFace]

Ok gotcha! ... I’m curious though, why?

Other than me being sexually sadistic in nature and the mere idea of the earth being destroyed giving me vast pleasure. Humanity is it's own self fulfilling prophecy. Nature has always been animalistic, perverse and horrifying. Women are finding this "new" behaviour to be beneficial when really that was their behaviour to begin with. Sooner or later life will turn into a bloodbath when men can't hold their needs in anymore. This will lead to an explosion in violence everywhere. Leading to currency collapse, extreme poverty, civil wars and societal collapse to the stone age. Tribes will be formed of malicious men that will horde the women and enslave them as sexual concubines and any beta will be worked to death for their amusement. So to stop the torment early I'd suggest a pre-emptive strike to put humanity out of its misery before said misery begins.

 

[con_jt]

Other than me being sexually sadistic in nature and the mere idea of the earth being destroyed giving me vast pleasure. Humanity is it's own self fulfilling prophecy. Nature has always been animalistic, perverse and horrifying. Women are finding this "new" behaviour to be beneficial when really that was their behaviour to begin with. Sooner or later life will turn into a bloodbath when men can't hold their needs in anymore. This will lead to an explosion in violence everywhere. Leading to currency collapse, extreme poverty, civil wars and societal collapse to the stone age. Tribes will be formed of malicious men that will horde the women and enslave them as sexual concubines and any beta will be worked to death for their amusement. So to stop the torment early I'd suggest a pre-emptive strike to put humanity out of its misery before said misery begins.

Women are humans just like us, we like women behave in ways they benefit us. The reason women are “nice” to us is because they know it’s easier to lie and use deception in the moment because maybe in the future we could be a resource to them. Also men lie and use deception to in order to get what they want. Unfortunately many of us Incels have evolved to being honest like 99% of the time unlike our Chad counterparts.

Through out history we have seen people rise from dirt into kings. Also after re reading this for like a 3rd time. There was never a “new” behavior, simply a different expression of behavior. Women have the burden of deciding what is going to be most beneficial for kids. That’s a very complex and difficult task, one of the ways to resolve this issue is picking a winner. Yes regarding importance of physical looks matters but so does our presentation of social status/materialistic resources the kids will privilege off of and the who you are as a person, personality quirks/perks alike. Now you are free to disagree with facts. But when you disagree with facts of any of the pills, you risk being an volcel despite believing you’re a Incel because of the inability to comprehend that all 3 factor create a person that women will want to pass onto kids.

That’s just my opinion, if I get banned because I stated truth so be it. It’s to your own DOOM.

 

[Inbuddhist]

Upon what evidence?

It's the only decision one can never regret, it leads to the annihilation of suffering.

And don't give me the bullshit "what if there is a god who punish suicide", i can counteract it with an hypothetical "and what if there is a god who punish all those who didn't commit suicide ? "

 

[TheSlippwrySeal]

If you rope, they win

 

[con_jt]

It's the only decision one can never regret, it leads to the annihilation of suffering.

And don't give me the bullshit "what if there is a god who punish suicide", i can counteract it with an hypothetical "and what if there is a god who punish all those who didn't commit suicide ? "

I agree you can’t regret it and eliminates suffering, but don’t forget it also eliminates ALL the“good shit” too.

Suicide is an option but it really not the rational one. Hence therefore suicide is stupid, because there’s too many unknown variables which affect ones reality. Idk about anyone else, but the most rational option is to regret doing a thing than regret not doing it. Suicide being the exemption because you can’t regret doing it afterwards since it’s a permanent solution to a temporary (albeit seemingly feels like eternity) problem/issue.

 

[lastchancel]

fun for the whole family

 

[Ascent God]

Illegalizing suicide is such a stupid notion. Nobody is going to prosecute a poor incel fuck for trying to end its life with dignity

 

[Fontaine]

I am pro-choice and don't think suicide should be made illegal in any way. Illegality is just adding another stigma on the depressed.

However, suicide should be recognized as an irrational act that is fundamentally driven by a lack of certain neurotransmitters in the synapses, and not by a sudden rational insight on the meaninglessness of human existence.

 

[FlyFace]

Anhedonia could play a huge part in this as well.. the inability to feel pleasure.

 

[Doomedanincel]

gonna rope if I don’t get a gf by 30 (in 5 years)

 

[Inbuddhist]

I agree you can’t regret it and eliminates suffering, but don’t forget it also eliminates ALL the“good shit” too.

Suicide is an option but it really not the rational one. Hence therefore suicide is stupid, because there’s too many unknown variables which affect ones reality. Idk about anyone else, but the most rational option is to regret doing a thing than regret not doing it. Suicide being the exemption because you can’t regret doing it afterwards since it’s a permanent solution to a temporary (albeit seemingly feels like eternity) problem/issue.

Some people (like me) don't think the MINIMAL good shit in life is worth it compared to all the pain and suffering.

There is a huge asymetry in life between the good shit and bad shit, it's not equal.

1 : We all progress toward ill-health and death, there is no contrary progression, some people don't evolve as

I am pro-choice and don't think suicide should be made illegal in any way. Illegality is just adding another stigma on the depressed.

However, suicide should be recognized as an irrational act that is fundamentally driven by a lack of certain neurotransmitters in the synapses, and not by a sudden rational insight on the meaninglessness of human existence.

Very reductionist and provenly false view, not everyone who commited suicide had a lack of a certain transmitter, it's more complicated than that. I also disagree that suicide is more (or less) irrational than continuing on with life.

 

[incelgration]

Suicide is what they want. Is recognizing you are to blame for all your problems. Is taking away the responsibility society has for one's suffering.

No it is not. They want you to shut the fuck up and slave to your invisible overlords.

 

[Indari]

I think it should be accepted, but if you still have even a single person who cares about your etc. parents/friends or anyone who knows you. It's a really selfish fucking thing to do.
It's understandable but I don't see a situation where I could respect a person who takes his own life.

"suffer life so I don't have to suffer"

 

[Inbuddhist]

No it is not. They want you to shut the fuck up and support your invisible overlords.

Even if that was the case, that's a retarded argument.

If my interest align sometime with the interest of the person i hate, why should i care and go against my interest just to piss him off ?

 

[incelgration]

Even if that was the case, that's a retarded argument.

If my interest align sometime with the interest of the person i hate, why should i care and go against my interest just to piss him off ?

It is not argument pro suicide. Same as 'they want you to do this' is not valid argument against suicide.

 

[Spec Carrot]

The term "Suicide is selfish" is one of the most ignorant and ironically selfish things people tend to view it as.
People don't like to come to terms with the fact that someone has reached a point in their life where suicide appears to be the ONLY solution to their problems, Normies cannot even comprehend the sheer level of mental desperation a person suffers to view suicide as a good idea, so they just deem it as selfish.
If someone is Suicidal they have reached a profound tipping point, a stage of thought where the idea of literally being dead is a better and more attractive alternative to the life they're living. The amount of pain a suffering or mental damage a person must withstand to put himself in that situation is simply daunting so Normies just coin it as the person just "Being Selfish" because it helps explain away their issues and turns them into the bad guy and makes whoever he leaves behind the victim rather than him.

Suicide is really the only true choice you can have in life, the only choice that carries such a serious weight and a choice that every person should have the right to make. People dislike the idea of suicide because it makes them feel sad, they don't care about the person doing it and what hell they've endured.

 

[inklingPro 1980]

Other than me being sexually sadistic in nature and the mere idea of the earth being destroyed giving me vast pleasure. Humanity is it's own self fulfilling prophecy. Nature has always been animalistic, perverse and horrifying. Women are finding this "new" behaviour to be beneficial when really that was their behaviour to begin with. Sooner or later life will turn into a bloodbath when men can't hold their needs in anymore. This will lead to an explosion in violence everywhere. Leading to currency collapse, extreme poverty, civil wars and societal collapse to the stone age. Tribes will be formed of malicious men that will horde the women and enslave them as sexual concubines and any beta will be worked to death for their amusement. So to stop the torment early I'd suggest a pre-emptive strike to put humanity out of its misery before said misery begins.

That's pretty fucking dark. I know where that rage comes from. But there's a lot of good in life. It took me years to see it. It's there. There's light when you look for it. For some it's a hobby. Others in volunteer work. For me it's my golden retriever, gaming, good shows, music, and novels.

Here's the deal. I don't know how old you are. I'm 38. I've been through some pretty horrible shit. I don't know you.... your age or your experience. I'm going to assume you've been hurt. In think we all have. That's what drive us here. Death has taken a lot from me and I almost let it take me too. It's very powerful. It sounds seductive when you're in pain. I think it was losing my one real friend to homicide and getting a painful disease that pushed me into making choices.

I don't derive any pleasure from hurting people. Even those that deserve it. I thought I did but I don't. That doesn't mean I don't trust in karma. I do. Karma isn't bound by time or place or this lifetime. It's natural law. I believe in it. So I know that people who hurt me will experience what I did at some point. Life is funny.... shit changes in a millisecond.

If there's anything I've learned it's that some people love nothing more than to feel they control you. This anger and call for violence is part of that control. Yep. You allow people to make you feel powerless. FUCK THAT. Giving them that kind of control is bullshit.

I import all my tobacco so I avoid tax. Saves a shit ton

Yea and I get all my coils, juice, or new hardware by e-commerce. You save prob 85-90% on avg. Compared with local shops. The future of shopping is the internet. It's just how it is. I love the convenience.

 

[bkdreamkb]

Upon what premise is “it that nobody deserved to live in the first place” that’s not really rational.

Suicide is an option but it really not the rational one. Hence therefore suicide is stupid, because there’s too many unknown variables which affect ones reality. Idk about anyone else, but the most rational option is to regret doing a thing than regret not doing it. Suicide being the exemption because you can’t regret doing it afterwards since it’s a permanent solution to a temporary (albeit seemingly feels like eternity) problem/issue.

I disagree, it may seem rational but it really isn’t. Sure it’s an option but read my other response in this thread making my point.

That’s a perfect response!

I agree it isn't rational. But suicidal thoughts eventually goes through at least once in the mind of every man as we are conscious of our own suffering and suicide seems to be a logical option to end that suffering.

I just don't think that reason is the best way to cope with that logical conclusion. Life is suffering, a succession of problems as Schopenhauer said. Happiness happens when finding a solution to that problem. But then another problem will come just after, therefore happiness is aways temporary. This is why I think we should recognize that life isn't getting any better, but at least we should try to change what is causing all our misery by revolting against it.

No it is not. They want you to shut the fuck up and slave to your invisible overlords.

But men are disposable for them. If they didn't wanted us to kill ourselves they would try to solve the root of the problem not trying to dope us.

 

[FlyFace]

Karma

Don't believe in that.

That's pretty fucking dark. I know where that rage comes from. But there's a lot of good in life. It took me years to see it. It's there. There's light when you look for it. For some it's a hobby. Others in volunteer work. For me it's my golden retriever, gaming, good shows, music, and novels.

Those copes are getting tougher to get into nowadays. I still am able to do hobbies that I like and it impresses people, but that's it.. doesn't get me laid.

I don't know how old you are. I'm 38.

24.

I've been through some pretty horrible shit.

Why else would we be here.

Karma isn't bound by time or place or this lifetime. It's natural law.

Karma is not Nature. Nature is Nature. Karma is a concept thought up to keep people from starting revolutions.

Life is funny.... shit changes in a millisecond.

And yet we stay the same, I'm literally shaking with laughter.

If there's anything I've learned it's that some people love nothing more than to feel they control you. This anger and call for violence is part of that control. Yep. You allow people to make you feel powerless. FUCK THAT. Giving them that kind of control is bullshit.

If anything people would want to control me through assaulting me physically and sexually. Those people that bullied me had the same control over themselves and yet THEY are the ones that chose to abuse me. They are the ones that had control over themselves and chose to throw it away to make a sad person even sadder. Makes me want to throw away all my control seeing as how they have done nothing but benefit from the loss of their own control.

 

[Fontaine]

Pasal wager is the dumbest idea i've ever seen

It's actually not. Nassim Taleb has torn a new asshole to self-satisfied atheists who gleefully thought they had defeated Pascal's wager. I don't remember in which of his books it is, but he basically explains how even if the Christian God has only a 0.0000000000000001% probably of existing, you're better off believing than not believing since the penalty for error is infinite negative utility. It's all about asymmetric risk.

A real bet would be among trillions/infinite deity possibilities (including a deity that send all people who are religious or didn't commit suicide to hell), which makes the bet senseless.

That's the real bet. A bet between nothing and "christian god" isn't a bet, it has christianity incorporated into it.

See this topic:

Very reductionist and provenly false view, not everyone who commited suicide had a lack of a certain transmitter, it's more complicated than that.

I don't think so, except in rare cases, to avoid inevitable great suffering followed by death (eg untreatable disease). I am in fact ready to bet that you currently suffer from major depressive disorder and that your thinking is incredibly warped by general anhedonia.

I also disagree that suicide is more (or less) irrational than continuing on with life.

From an ultra-rationalist perspective (solely based on logic, ignoring all emotions and arguments from emotion), it's no more rational to die than to live.

 

[inklingPro 1980]

Don't believe in that.
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Those copes are getting tougher to get into nowadays. I still am able to do hobbies that I like and it impresses people, but that's it.. doesn't get me laid.

24.

Why else would we be here.

Karma is not Nature. Nature is Nature. Karma is a concept thought up to keep people from starting revolutions.

And yet we stay the same, I'm literally shaking with laughter.

If anything people would want to control me through assaulting me physically and sexually. Those people that bullied me had the same control over themselves and yet THEY are the ones that chose to abuse me. They are the ones that had control over themselves and chose to throw it away to make a sad person even sadder. Makes me want to throw away all my control seeing as how they have done nothing but benefit from the loss of their own control.

Obviously we don't agree on some points. That's fine. Have a good night.

 

[Deleted member 11032]

Preach frail. We both expect to die young. And yes. I can validate frails claims. Hes a good dude. We've talked on private plenty

...Frail then goes on to say he watches people die and wants to kill people. Good dude? Riiiiggghhht.

 

[Inbuddhist]

It's actually not. Nassim Taleb has torn a new asshole to self-satisfied atheists who gleefully thought they had defeated Pascal's wager. I don't remember in which of his books it is, but he basically explains how even if the Christian God has only a 0.0000000000000001% probably of existing, you're better off believing than not believing since the penalty for error is infinite negative utility. It's all about asymmetric risk.

You didn't understand what i said at all then.

I'm not talking about MAINSTREAM REVEALED RELIGIONS.

I'm talking about infinite possibilities.

Here, i made one "X god will send religious people to the worse hell possible, something beyond imagination, beyond any conception"

Since i don't believe in your christian god, i have absolutely 0 reason to prefer any possibility to another if i'm agnostic, so the X god i talked about has as much chance of being real as the christian god, therefore Pascal Wager makes no sense.

Since my X god also has 0.0000000000000001% and punished only religious, it counteracts your dumb wager and makes you look stupid.

"Y god will punish people who made a wager in his sacred name, as he gave them a brain and rationality, and they thought they can use it to dupe him, therefore he reserved the worst chatiment for them and only for them"

You didn't refute shit, you just repeated the same baseless assertions, included the same assumptions (with "mainstream religions" instead of "Christianity") and assumed that if there is a god it has to be a god who gave a shit about communicating 2000 years ago in a shitty dusty book full of repetitive parables. And it's not even true that Christianity have the worse hell among mainstream religions, and christians don't even agree about what hell is supposed to be like..

", seems quite unlikely and runs counter to every human narrative so far on religions."

The part about it's still "Abrahamic god" is retarded. If you read the Coran, you'll see that "Allah" consider people who believe in the divinity the christ as the worse ATHEISTS EVER, and consider the bible as a falsehood. We are talking about an envious here, why did he suddenly become a god full of consideration and ready to do compromissions ?

seems unlikely to whom ? The majority narrative is worthless.

It seems actually as likely to me as the possibility of a religious god that is the created of the universe of all its complexities but still ressembles to humans in their basic monkey emotions of revenge and loving praise.

Also, to end this i'll copy/paste the first comment

"

Pascal's Wager is still undefeated.​

Only as one of the most ridiculous and easily discarded arguments ever."

Also, let's put into practice this retarded argument.

Send me 100 dollars or i'll torture you for eternity as i discovered a glitch in the matrix that would make me able to control the simulation, and i would reserve for you @Fontaine the worse punition possible. Even if there is 0,0000000001% for this to be true, what's 100 dollars compared to such an awful possibility ? So following your line of logic, you'll send me 100$.

 

[BonoboPower]

I see procreation as selfish, not suicide.

It's procreation that imposes suffering on you without your consent, that's what's selfish. Quitting an arrangement you had no say into isn't selfish.

VHEMT?

 

[Inbuddhist]

VHEMT?

No, VHEMT care about the environment, i don't give a shit about the environment (i prefer actually for the environment to be utterly destroyed so that i can sustain no life), i'm more interrested by the lessening and disappearance of suffering.

 

[FlyFace]

Obviously we don't agree on some points. That's fine. Have a good night.

It's morning now, but thanks.

No, VHEMT care about the environment, i don't give a shit about the environment (i prefer actually for the environment to be utterly destroyed so that i can sustain no life), i'm more interrested by the lessening and disappearance of suffering.

You and me, have the same idea.

 

[Inbuddhist]

It's morning now, but thanks.

You and me, have the same idea.

Come have a beer buyo.

 

[FlyFace]

Come have a beer buyo.

Yay.

Drinks all round.

 

[BonoboPower]

No, VHEMT care about the environment, i don't give a shit about the environment (i prefer actually for the environment to be utterly destroyed so that i can sustain no life), i'm more interrested by the lessening and disappearance of suffering.

And you want to make suffering disappear by destroying the environment, causing billions of animals to die of a horrible death? I think it's ridiculously condescending for us as humans to act like we know what's better for other species. If one day humanity decides to volountarily go extinct, that will be our choice, however we must not deprive all other species of that choice.