Before the subreddit seems like the dark ages of incel lore tbh... I've never heard anything about it, wonder if any of the old cels here know anything about the history of the blackpill, where did it start, who were the ones responsible for it...
@SergeantIncel you may be the only one left who goes back far enough to know.
Sarge probably only made a handful of posts there. I don't remember him.
I can answer your question - the only other person I know of who is a minor celebrity is
@FACEandLMS I think he has been in these sort of foreveralone and incelibate spheres since before they were a thing. He might be more helpful. His memory might be better - mine is starting to fail a little.
For me its sort of a life story - I actually found my way into PUA first. "Double your Dating" by David DeAngello. Real Social Dynamics. Also there was the Game by Neil Strauss. I was active in some gaming and science fiction fandoms at that point. We had "lack of girlfriend" threads. After years of trying PUA - tactics like "cocky and funny" "kunfidence" and "clowning" and getting nowhere I started looking for answers elsewhere. I started going to 4chan and stormfront around this time though I never actually posted on Stormfront. I was in college and university by this point. That was always more politics and true events. Racial stuff, the Jewish question. Not really women.
My initial encounter with this online space was reading "Shyness and Love" by Dr Brain Gillmartin probably in 2008 - which is kooky read when he starts talking about killean auras. There wasn't much information but there were sort of two distinct forums. One was the old "Incel support forum" and the "loveshy" forum. I was banned from the Incel support forum probably in 2010 or 2011 because honestly most of the people there were basically the kind of retards you find on reddit and saying bad things about feminism or calling women out for their shitty behaviour wasn't allowed. They used a lot of dense inter sectional language to say very little. I also used to read "Nice Guys: American women suck" website sometimes from around 2008-2013. They had a forum too but I never posted all that much. The guy who ran that went to Japan and married.
Then I learned about the concept of "Forever Alone" and "True Forced Loneliness" from online conversations and articles because after I was banned the "Incel Support Forum" basically got nuked - not sure what happened. Probably some sort of internal power struggle. It wasn't the first time it had happened from what I heard. I believe there was a brief off shoot forum for a time. I never went there.
I'm not sure how It happened - by this time I had moved into reading Roosh's stuff and I knew PUA was horseshit. This was my introduction to "the red pill" being applied to dating and relationships and the duality of male and female nature as irreconcilable. Secretly I had known this since I was 14 but I didn't want to accept it. I knew of PUA hate but was never active on there even though I hated PUA's. I think from an article on Return of Kings they linked to r/theredpill on reddit and I participated there for a time and from there people on reddit were disparaging r/forveralone as a terrible place and a place for losers and I went there and fuck me I had found my people.
2014 was a big year. I remember "GamerGate" - you had the rise of internet shit lords and rejection of feminism went mainstream. The MRA's were definitely the dominant sect of the manosphere along with PUA at that point. Remember what kicked off gamergate partly was Zoe Quinn claiming Wizardchan had harassed her when it was like 2 posts among hundreds of threads denouncing her. Basically feminists picking on a support site for depressed virgins.
I remember being active on reddit quite a lot that year. It was really energised against feminists and SJW's.
r/ForeverAlone was great at first - really cool people generally a lot like r/Incels was. Maybe less extreme content. I never saw any pedo stuff there. The problem was as it got more popular more bluepillers and foids came in and took over and drove a lot of the men out. It became a lot like Inceltears to be honest. There were actually several attempts to set up an offshoot forum as the mods tightened the noose.
2014 also had the Elliot Rodger shooting around this time which did make us more mainstream and galvanised the movement. Honestly whatever you think of him Elliot Rodgers manifesto is an incredible document. It really speaks to people my age who grew up in this environment and he references various parts of our disparate community (often disparagingly) in his manifesto. On the other hand it brought a lot of heat - more people noticing were more people to disparage everyone from the MRA's, the redpillers, PUA's, MGTOW's and foreveralones and incels whether we were on reddit, wizardchan or assorted forums as terrible people. Even though we have different beliefs.
One of the first offshoots I remember was r/Truecels and I did post there for a while but what few active posters were there were in the process of having mental breakdowns or were pedos. So I left and not long after it got nuked.
Then r/incels started to get popular. I really struggle to remember now because its a long time ago and I was very sleep deprived most of my 20's but I remember when I joined there it was a pretty cool place. I had really found my tribe again. I recognised quite a few refugees from r/ForeverAlone and I spent a lot of time here. This is where I remember being introduced to the concept of "the black pill" I don't know who exactly originated the idea but it certainly spoke to me. Partly because I didn't get on with the redpillers by this point and they always disparaged us. We caught more and more heat. Whenever you posted on another part of reddit you would be mocked for posting on r/incels unless it was somewhere populated by normal people like redpill, MGTOW, Kotaku in action or thedonald.
2017 was a tumultuous year for me. I finally left the friendzone and gave up bothering with females that year. I walked away from one of my longest friendships. I changed jobs. It was very hard. I was starting to feel more settled and then the subreddit ban came. I wasn't in the best place but much to my relief sarge founded this forum and we're here to carry the torch. I did still participate on reddit for a while after the ban. Mainly just to try and recruit new members to here and help young guys.
Then I took a break for 18 months due to a mental breakdown - arguably my second.
Now here we are.
I'm one of the older people here - you young guys especially you teenagers are lucky. When I was your age it was the blind leading the blind. I stumbled around the wilderness of bluepilled thinking wondering what was wrong with me and hitting dating sites and sliding into DM's and was the mayor of friendzoneville for fuck all. There was no manosphere. The redpill didn't exist in any sort of coherent way. The only people who spoke to your issues really were a bunch of predatory PUA fucks who just wanted to sell you on their shitty programs.
Now the red pill and incels are pretty mainstream. Incel is an insult in common use by normies. Effectively they recruit for us. They call low value males who can't get a woman they are going to do some Googling and find us. You won't believe how many hours of my life I wasted on Google in obscure places looking for answers.
There you have the somewhat muddied story at least to my fuzzy memory of the links in my 15 year journey to the black pill.
