What was different about Elliot Rodger and Isla Vista that people hated so much? What changed?

[FrothySolutions]

Main question that's always on my mind: One person can have a bad day at work or a bad day at school or be heartbroken or whatever, then write a crazy, wacky, nutty manifesto, kill themselves, kill others, or kill themselves AND others, and society will be like "Well killing is wrong, I don't agree with the killing, but this guy was clearly unwell." But another guy who calls himself an "incel" does the same thing, and he's Comedy Central's punchline of the week. When did society decide to ignore the mental health of a select few people?

So I figured I'd try and think back to the first time I noticed society saying "That guy's not crazy, he's just an asshole." To see when the turn happened. And I think it was the 2014 Isla Vista incident that was first treated not like a mental health issue, a la Virginia Tech in 2007 or Austin, TX in 2010. But see, here's the thing. Elliot Rodger wasn't the first guy to do what he did, really. He wasn't the first mass murderer, he wasn't the first mass murderer to kill over a woman/the lack of a woman, and he wasn't the first mass murderer whose ideas came off as racist. There were incidents before his that, instead of being brushed off, were treated as mental health crises. So why not Elliot? Some people say incels don't get no respect because they're ugly. Elliot was not ugly. Maybe on the manlety side but other than that he was fine, physically. Was that incident different? Or is it society that's changed? And now certain kinds of mental breakdown aren't taken seriously anymore?

 

[Anonymous MG]

Main question that's always on my mind: One person can have a bad day at work or a bad day at school or be heartbroken or whatever, then write a crazy, wacky, nutty manifesto, kill themselves, kill others, or kill themselves AND others, and society will be like "Well killing is wrong, I don't agree with the killing, but this guy was clearly unwell." But another guy who calls himself an "incel" does the same thing, and he's Comedy Central's punchline of the week. When did society decide to ignore the mental health of a select few people?

So I figured I'd try and think back to the first time I noticed society saying "That guy's not crazy, he's just an asshole." To see when the turn happened. And I think it was the 2014 Isla Vista incident that was first treated not like a mental health issue, a la Virginia Tech in 2007 or Austin, TX in 2010. But see, here's the thing. Elliot Rodger wasn't the first guy to do what he did, really. He wasn't the first mass murderer, he wasn't the first mass murderer to kill over a woman/the lack of a woman, and he wasn't the first mass murderer whose ideas came off as racist. There were incidents before his that, instead of being brushed off, were treated as mental health crises. So why not Elliot? Some people say incels don't get no respect because they're ugly. Elliot was not ugly. Maybe on the manlety side but other than that he was fine, physically. Was that incident different? Or is it society that's changed? And now certain kinds of mental breakdown aren't taken seriously anymore?

It mostly had to do with the ideas in the manifesto and how articulated it was, incels are presented in media as negative outcasts and outlets saw this as a chance to capitalize on it. He was also called out due to the "privelaged" life he lived and the misogynistic ideals preached, he is a Matyr in some ways to most incels because of those ideals.

 

[FrothySolutions]

It mostly had to do with the ideas in the manifesto and how articulated it was, incels are presented in media as negative outcasts and outlets saw this as a chance to capitalize on it. He was also called out due to the "privelaged" life he lived and the misogynistic ideals preached, he is a Matyr in some ways to most incels because of those ideals.

But the ideas in his manifesto, he's not the first madman to preach hate toward a group of people. Other murderers have broken down and said "This is all the fault of such and such group" and while people didn't agree with that, they understood "Well that person's just saying that because they're angry and crazy." But they didn't extend the same benefit of the doubt towards Elliot.

Unless you're saying it was mostly his rich boy privilege that kept him from getting that benefit of the doubt?

 

[ICanOnlyFapToBDSM]

Because he was ridiculously flamboyant and acted like a bond villain or something.

 

[Anonymous MG]

But the ideas in his manifesto, he's not the first madman to preach hate toward a group of people. Other murderers have broken down and said "This is all the fault of such and such group" and while people didn't agree with that, they understood "Well that person's just saying that because they're angry and crazy." But they didn't extend the same benefit of the doubt towards Elliot.

Unless you're saying it was mostly his rich boy privilege that kept him from getting that benefit of the doubt?

He was perceived as a rich spoiled child in the eyes of the media, maybe they internally acknowledge he was justified in his actions. The difference maker is that he preached against all foids in general, and brought light to the hierarchy in our society. Unlike manifestos that aren't backed up by society's actions, Elliot's were in some way credible.

 

[theson]

Main question that's always on my mind: One person can have a bad day at work or a bad day at school or be heartbroken or whatever, then write a crazy, wacky, nutty manifesto, kill themselves, kill others, or kill themselves AND others, and society will be like "Well killing is wrong, I don't agree with the killing, but this guy was clearly unwell." But another guy who calls himself an "incel" does the same thing, and he's Comedy Central's punchline of the week. When did society decide to ignore the mental health of a select few people?

So I figured I'd try and think back to the first time I noticed society saying "That guy's not crazy, he's just an asshole." To see when the turn happened. And I think it was the 2014 Isla Vista incident that was first treated not like a mental health issue, a la Virginia Tech in 2007 or Austin, TX in 2010. But see, here's the thing. Elliot Rodger wasn't the first guy to do what he did, really. He wasn't the first mass murderer, he wasn't the first mass murderer to kill over a woman/the lack of a woman, and he wasn't the first mass murderer whose ideas came off as racist. There were incidents before his that, instead of being brushed off, were treated as mental health crises. So why not Elliot? Some people say incels don't get no respect because they're ugly. Elliot was not ugly. Maybe on the manlety side but other than that he was fine, physically. Was that incident different? Or is it society that's changed? And now certain kinds of mental breakdown aren't taken seriously anymore?

Because people have no sympathy if you're an ugly male. Ugly males have been society's punching bags since time immemorial. When you're born ugly, you're expected to be Quasimodo. You're expected to have a heart of gold despite being spit on by everyone around you. If you object to this treatment, you transform into a scary ogre from a horror story. If someone walks into an investment bank and starts gunning down people mercilessly because his small business failed and he lost everything, people might condemn what he does, but many people can relate because most people have run into some financial hardship in the past. When an ugly guy who couldn't take the loneliness anymore snaps and goes on a rampage, people will either laugh at him, or try to dehumanize him as much as possible. Most people have relationships. Most people can't relate to that degree of loneliness, and most people also seem to expect lonely men to suffer in silence.

Elliott Rodger is seen both as a joke, and as someone who is incredibly evil. He is seen as a joke because the source of his anger was his perpetual virginity and inability to make any friends. He is seen as being evil being he chose to go on a killing spree due to something that most people expect men to stoically tolerate.

I guess what I am trying to say is that male loneliness is simply not viewed as a problem in society. Men are just expected to come to terms with dying alone. We're expected to accept the lives of sterile worker ants.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

Elliot was not ugly.

 

[Grotesque]

The days after the shooting, I remember hearing stuff like "Hunger Games director's son is a murderer!". I believe the Jew media's narrative was pushing he was a rich Hollywood spoiled kid and we need to even keep guns away from educated people like him, etc... and that's what the majority of mindless lemmings will take away from all stories.