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Back in my grandfathers day, literally everyone got a wife, who was almost always skinny. Everyone produced many children, most guys got a house and often two cars, a good family life with a huge family. Life was simple. Get a job, get a wife (just fucking pick one, many want you), produce children and then make money and advance in ur career with ur other bros helping eachother out.

Nowadays, MILLIONS OF MEN live alone, eating fast food, trolling the internet well into their 40s, incompetent, no car, no house, no wife ofcourse, no children, nothing.

What is the REASON? WHAT HAPPENED? Our society is so SHIT these days.

What the fuck is going on?
 
Back in my grandfathers day, literally everyone got a wife, who was almost always skinny. Everyone produced many children, most guys got a house and often two cars, a good family life with a huge family. Life was simple. Get a job, get a wife (just fucking pick one, many want you), produce children and then make money and advance in ur career with ur other bros helping eachother out.

Nowadays, MILLIONS OF MEN live alone, eating fast food, trolling the internet well into their 40s, incompetent, no car, no house, no wife ofcourse, no children, nothing.

What is the REASON? WHAT HAPPENED? Our society is so SHIT these days.

What the fuck is going on?
Through feminism and other bullshit society has lost their respect for men.
 
we're living in the weirdest time in human history
 
(((Feminism)))
 
social media happened
 
So why did feminism get a stronghold in the west? Who made it? It cant be women, cause women arent that smart and they NEVEr cooperate that good.

Something is going on, no way its a coincidence that we go from a good society in a few decades to pure hell and destruction.
 
Some here say feminism, some blame Jews. I have no Idea. Whoever is to blame, I hate them.
 
It’s because we’re ugly, not NT or some combination of both
 
It’s because we’re ugly, not NT or some combination of both

Incel community is FULL of average looking guys.

Also, just a few decades ago, most ugly and "non NT men" got to reproduce.


Its something else.
 
The simulation is fucking broken. Thats why
 
So Hitler and the stormfronters was right all along?
 
Incel community is FULL of average looking guys.

Also, just a few decades ago, most ugly and "non NT men" got to reproduce.


Its something else.
Incels are sub4, anything above is fakecel tier and can get laid if they put in the effort and play their cards right. You can’t honestly tell me that sub4s and non NT men got into honest and loving relationships with no strings attached. There’s a reason why the term betabux is a thing. People like us didn’t experience sex and validation like their peers back then and they don’t now. The only difference is that it has become more obvious now that we have easy access to information and more efficient communication
 
Incels are sub4, anything above is fakecel tier and can get laid if they put in the effort and play their cards right. You can’t honestly tell me that sub4s and non NT men got into honest and loving relationships with no strings attached. There’s a reason why the term betabux is a thing. People like us didn’t experience sex and validation like their peers back then and they don’t now. The only difference is that it has become more obvious now that we have easy access to information and more efficient communication

Disagree completely. In the west 60 years ago a sub 4 had NO PROBLEM getting a wife. Look at all the other culture, indians, asians, MILLIONS AND MILLKIONS of ugly men who reproduce and get families for fuck sake.

The amount of incels and sexless men with no children and families has absolutely exploded the last couple years and its only getting worse.

This is not static, Its dynamic and relative and theres a system behind it.
 
So why did feminism get a stronghold in the west? Who made it? It cant be women, cause women arent that smart and they NEVEr cooperate that good.

Something is going on, no way its a coincidence that we go from a good society in a few decades to pure hell and destruction.
Here's how it went down, feminism was brought into light by a man, and nobody fucking liked it, it took many years for people to soften up and then say "ey why don't we let these women do xyz?" I personally think this was all started right after Martin Luther King was shot and black people got their freedom. When they got theirs everyone wanted more of something. I do not think that the black people were right to be enslaved but right after they were freed it left a hole for many other people to poke at the media and see if they could get their way aswell. The liberation of women, them being able to retain rights, is what lead to our common state today, I deeply agree, some of us would not be labelled as ugly and maybe average back in the day, but here we stand in an era, a woman is legally allowed to do anything a man would and more. This means they can choose the best partner they want and as many as they feel, without any shame or guilt, they are cheered on to do whatever they want by feminine men, and woman. The crazy part is a lot of these women are truly ugly, and you can see that even with their makeup on, but society tosses them so high up on the pedestal it all means nothing. As these new creatures with the ability to eternally have one preference with pride and secureness they sit their under Chad's chin gladly, no matter if they are the 20th or 40th. This is boosted by the fact almost ALL women have social media, on this social media they are guaranteed validation en masse from men and women, they are called beautiful and lovely every second of the day until they go to bed. It doesn't matter what the female looks like she could still have a social media where she is being praised every second of the day, and even gets messages from Chad, you are invisible now, everything she could of thought meant anything doesn't matter as much because Chad/Chads could pop out of her phone any second with a message. This is why a compliment to a woman nowadays is better off not said.
 
Back in my grandfathers day, literally everyone got a wife, who was almost always skinny. Everyone produced many children, most guys got a house and often two cars, a good family life with a huge family. Life was simple. Get a job, get a wife (just fucking pick one, many want you), produce children and then make money and advance in ur career with ur other bros helping eachother out.

Nowadays, MILLIONS OF MEN live alone, eating fast food, trolling the internet well into their 40s, incompetent, no car, no house, no wife ofcourse, no children, nothing.

What is the REASON? WHAT HAPPENED? Our society is so SHIT these days.

What the fuck is going on?

Very simple, Western governments figured out they would make way more money by having two tax slaves instead of one, while corporations realized they could massively drive down wages if women entered the workforce. Hence, they backed feminism and female hypergamy, and continue to export it around the world, by military force if needed.

None of them care about men suffering under their shit system. They only take notice when men commit crime, rope or go ER (because men can't be tax slaves when in jail or dead), but instead of fixing this problem by taking away women's rights, they prescribe "medication" and psychologists in order to brainwash you into a zombified slave.
 
Its literally the worst time ever. I would rather live in a time of war a few hundred years ago or something, then atleast u had a purpose and got some action, maybe a wife and children to fight for.

Now all u do is workcel, eat, troll the internet, sleep, workcel, eat, troll the internet, sleep.

Such a fucking bullshit society we have gotten. Ive even lost all motivation to get a femoid now, whats the point? They ALL have had Chad 20 times anyway so they wont be happy with some average dude.
Very simple, Western governments figured out they would make way more money by having two tax slaves instead of one, while corporations realized they could massively drive down wages if women entered the workforce. Hence, they backed feminism and female hypergamy, and continue to export it around the world, by military force if needed.

None of them care about men suffering under their shit system. They only take notice when men commit crime, rope or go ER (because men can't be tax slaves when in jail or dead), but instead of fixing this problem by taking away women's rights, they prescribe "medication" and psychologists in order to brainwash you into a zombified slave.

So who are these? We need to get rid of those in power, those in the government. We need people there whos purpose is to make life as good as possible as for many as possible, and for our western culture. Not fucking money-bullshit.
 
Disagree completely. In the west 60 years ago a sub 4 had NO PROBLEM getting a wife. Look at all the other culture, indians, asians, MILLIONS AND MILLKIONS of ugly men who reproduce and get families for fuck sake.

The amount of incels and sexless men with no children and families has absolutely exploded the last couple years and its only getting worse.

This is not static, Its dynamic and relative and theres a system behind it.
Do you have any quantitative evidence of such occurrences. The female nature hasn’t changed in over millions of years, they always go for the best guys possible and reject the sub4s. Of course more and more disqualifiers have been arbitrarily set up over the years to make dating much more difficult than it needs to be, but hypergamy is nothing new, cheating is nothing new, and believe it or not incels are nothing new. They’ve been around longer than even the historians can trace
 
So who are these? We need to get rid of those in power, those in the government. We need people there whos purpose is to make life as good as possible as for many as possible, and for our western culture. Not fucking money-bullshit.

Everyone who is in politics today agrees with feminism and female hypergamy, whether they are right-wing or left-wing. They have all been on the same page regarding women's rights to work, be educated, vote, be whores, etc for decades now, there's no more division between them. Even people like Trump would never reverse feminism, because they know they, and other rich people especially business owners, make tons of money from it.

Only if the West collapses would this be any different, because then you would have new societies emerge, and some would be invariably be dominated by men who are sick of this bullshit and will reinstitute patriarchy. But as long as the West remains powerful, they will never allow this to pass - they even invade and bomb "misogynistic" societies across the world, just to make sure feminism will succeed everywhere, so that corporations can reap huge profits.
 
Do you have any quantitative evidence of such occurrences. The female nature hasn’t changed in over millions of years, they always go for the best guys possible and reject the sub4s. Of course more and more disqualifiers have been arbitrarily set up over the years to make dating much more difficult than it needs to be, but hypergamy is nothing new, cheating is nothing new, and believe it or not incels are nothing new. They’ve been around longer than even the historians can trace

No I have no evidence but its quite clear that millions of subhumans reproduce and have reproduce thruout history, just look at china or india, literally millions and millions of framecel manlets with ugly features.'

And female attraction seem to be relative and dynamic to her enviroment, at all times. If she dont even know a Chad 8 exists, then she will be perfectly HAPPY with a 5.

The more a female gets, the more she wants. The less options she have, the happier she have with the one she actually gets.
 
Women got more power in society and they didn't know how to handle it, because females are stupid and incompetent, so they wanted everything for themselves and nothing for men. This lead to this shithole society we live in right now.
 
Do you have any quantitative evidence of such occurrences. The female nature hasn’t changed in over millions of years, they always go for the best guys possible and reject the sub4s. Of course more and more disqualifiers have been arbitrarily set up over the years to make dating much more difficult than it needs to be, but hypergamy is nothing new, cheating is nothing new, and believe it or not incels are nothing new. They’ve been around longer than even the historians can trace

Femoid nature has not changed, but before under patriarchy, women did not have the right to work, get educated or vote. This meant they were reliant on finding a man to keep them safe and provide for them. This man had full rights over them in a patriarchy, and if the bitch got out of line, he would beat the shit out of her. Women learned to respect and fear their man, and give up sex whenever he wants it, especially because if she fucked up in a significant way, he could kill her, or sell her into slavery, or leave the bitch to die. When the man impregnated her, she would be even more submissive, because then she knew the lives of her kids were also at stake.

Additionally, women who had premarital sex or cheated on their husbands were brutally killed, to make an example of them so other femoids would be dissuaded from cheating. As a result, there were still incels in patriarchal societies, but a far smaller number since there was no female hypergamy. Furthermore, if you were incel under patriarchy, you could climb out of your rut by working hard and buying a wife. Even a 60 year old virgin male could get laid by working hard, saving up money and then marrying a 16 year old farm girl. Nowadays, this would be completely impossible, and if you are oldcel you are fucked (unless you become a multi-millionaire, even then you will just get divorce-raped).
 
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Ok so this post is kind of contradictory
No I have no evidence
:feelskek::feelskek::feelskek: Seriously on to the argument
No I have no evidence but its quite clear that millions of subhumans reproduce and have reproduce thruout history, just look at china or india, literally millions and millions of framecel manlets with ugly features.'
The only reason why you view these people as “subhumans” is because of social conditioning. In China and India, people are not compared to all of the stereotypical Chads you’d see running around in the west. As you said before,
And female attraction seem to be relative and dynamic to her enviroment, at all times. If she dont even know a Chad 8 exists, then she will be perfectly HAPPY with a 5.
This is why people are able to reproduce in their own countries, because the standards aredifferent and they don’t have a group of 6 foot, blonde, Chad gymrats to choose from. Going back to my argument that incels have always existed, you proved my point. A woman will naturally be in contact with Chads, Chadlites, normies, and incels. Therefore she will analyze her options and go for the most attractive, dominant male she can conceivably hook up with and later try to make them commit.
The more a female gets, the more she wants. The less options she have, the happier she have with the one she actually gets.
The thing is, realistically they have options ranging from 2-9. As a result they will try to attract high SMV males in relation to the spectrum they are exposed to. As a result they will go for 5 and above thogh foids of higher SMV will know that they can do better so they’ll go for 7 and above. It’s a system that is as old as time
 
capitalism + liberalism + feminism == hell
 
Femoid nature has not changed, but before under patriarchy, women did not have the right to work, get educated or vote. This meant they were reliant on finding a man to keep them safe and provide for them. This man had full rights over them in a patriarchy, and if the bitch got out of line, he would beat the shit out of her. Women learned to respect and fear their man, and give up sex whenever he wants it, especially because if she fucked up in a significant way, he could kill her, or sell her into slavery, or leave the bitch to die. When the man impregnated her, she would be even more submissive, because then she knew the lives of her kids were also at stake.

Additionally, women who had premarital sex or cheated on their husbands were brutally killed, to make an example of them so other femoids would be dissuaded from cheating. As a result, there were still incels in patriarchal societies, but a far smaller number since there was no female hypergamy. Furthermore, if you were incel under patriarchy, you could climb out of your rut by working hard and buying a wife. Even a 60 year old virgin male could get laid by working hard, saving up money and then marrying a 16 year old farm girl. Nowadays, this would be completely impossible, and if you are oldcel you are fucked (unless you become a multi-millionaire, even then you will just get divorce-raped).
:feelskek::feelskek::feelskek: What time period are you referring to? Some time BCE I assume. Trust me, those days are over. The world has become too complicated, connected, and conscientious for such a way of life to return. There would have to be a dramatic, and most likely catastrophic event for us to magically go back to those times, and if we were to none of us would be ready to live under such circumstances. In fact tfw no gf would be one of the last things you’d be concerned with
 
:feelskek::feelskek::feelskek: What time period are you referring to? Some time BCE I assume. Trust me, those days are over. The world has become too complicated, connected, and conscientious for such a way of life to return. There would have to be a dramatic, and most likely catastrophic event for us to magically go back to those times, and if we were to none of us would be ready to live under such circumstances. In fact tfw no gf would be one of the last things you’d be concerned with

Roughly about the beginning of the Neolithic Age around 10,000 BCE, when farming and organized society became possible, patriarchy was instituted in order to keep the newly emerging societies manageable. During the Paleolithic hunter-gatherer period before this, you are right that a single Chad or a small group of Chads reproduced while beta males had little reproductive success, but the advent of civilization changed that.

Throughout the world, until roughly the 19th century, extremely harsh laws against women existed everywhere. In Judaism and related Semitic cultures, a woman who did not bleed on her wedding night was stoned to death. In India until British occupation, wives were burned to death on their husband's funeral pyre. In China, most women were permanently disabled by footbinding, in order to keep them reliant on men. In Rome, it was legal to rape a promiscuous woman or a slave, and in the Colosseum, they would have rapes and murders of female slaves for crowds to see. When Vikings died, they would have their slave girls put on the funeral boat, and then the boat would be burned with the slave girls still on it, additionally Vikings gangraped female slaves before they sacrificed them.

Pretty much all ancient and Medieval societies had extremely limited to no rights for women, and they were all reliant on men for their survival.
 
Roughly about the beginning of the Neolithic Age around 10,000 BCE, when farming and organized society became possible, patriarchy was instituted in order to keep the newly emerging societies manageable. During the Paleolithic hunter-gatherer period before this, you are right that a single Chad or a small group of Chads reproduced while beta males had little reproductive success, but the advent of civilization changed that.

Throughout the world, until roughly the 19th century, extremely harsh laws against women existed everywhere. In Judaism and related Semitic cultures, a woman who did not bleed on her wedding night was stoned to death. In India until British occupation, wives were burned to death on their husband's funeral pyre. In China, most women were permanently disabled by footbinding, in order to keep them reliant on men. In Rome, it was legal to rape a promiscuous woman or a slave, and in the Colosseum, they would have rapes and murders of female slaves for crowds to see. When Vikings died, they would have their slave girls put on the funeral boat, and then the boat would be burned with the slave girls still on it, additionally Vikings gangraped female slaves before they sacrificed them.

Pretty much all ancient and Medieval societies had extremely limited to no rights for women, and they were all reliant on men for their survival.
I admire your historical awareness, I rarely find people who understand the origins of various events and systems. Back to your post, everything you’ve said (barring a few things from your original reply) has been true, so what exactly are you suggesting. Are you arguing that inceldom is an issue that is strictly bound to the last few decades. Or are you suggesting a return to form reminiscent of pre 20th century civilizations
 
not getting pussy? Your new mission in life is to burn society to the fucking ground in any way possible
 
I admire your historical awareness, I rarely find people who understand the origins of various events and systems. Back to your post, everything you’ve said (barring a few things from your original reply) has been true, so what exactly are you suggesting. Are you arguing that inceldom is an issue that is strictly bound to the last few decades. Or are you suggesting a return to form reminiscent of pre 20th century civilizations

Inceldom has always existed, but today, with feminism and female hypergamy, it has reached enormous heights not seen before in history since the Paleolithic age. Since all of these advances in women's rights have only really occurred in the last 150 years coinciding with a time of prosperity thanks to technology, I am suggesting this state of affairs is most likely temporarily, especially as other civilizations also had periods of time when, during great prosperity, they afforded their womenfolk increased rights (hastening their collapse, a good source on this is J.D Unwin's 1930s book Sex and Culture, where he predicted this current future and compared it against past civilizations).

Today, with the collapse of the Soviet Union and Communism, it is only really one block of countries left pushing women's rights, and those are Western countries. The West has mostly succeeded in forcing the rest of the world into adopting women's rights, but this is tenuous and only backed up by the threat of Western sanction or invasion.

Underneath this veneer of Western-enforced women's rights, where Western political authority fails, patriarchy seeps back in. You can see how warlords in Africa like Joseph Kony enslave and brutalize women, putting them back under check, and similar for such warlords and terrorist organizations in the Middle East, Latin America, South-East Asia and elsewhere. Even some sovereign states like Iran have been able to defy the West as they weaken, pushing back on Western demands to liberalize and give women rights.

If the West were to collapse, or at least significantly weaken, you will most likely see the pendulum swing back to patriarchy. We would not need to return to the Medieval age for this, however of course living standards would take a hit in such a future and many luxuries of life will be lost especially in the immediate aftermath, but once new patriarchal societies arise, living standards would improve again, and at least for some more centuries, the question of women's rights will be buried again.
 
Inceldom has always existed, but today, with feminism and female hypergamy, it has reached enormous heights not seen before in history since the Paleolithic age. Since all of these advances in women's rights have only really occurred in the last 150 years coinciding with a time of prosperity thanks to technology, I am suggesting this state of affairs is most likely temporarily, especially as other civilizations also had periods of time when, during great prosperity, they afforded their womenfolk increased rights (hastening their collapse, a good source on this is J.D Unwin's 1930s book Sex and Culture, where he predicted this current future and compared it against past civilizations).

Today, with the collapse of the Soviet Union and Communism, it is only really one block of countries left pushing women's rights, and those are Western countries. The West has mostly succeeded in forcing the rest of the world into adopting women's rights, but this is tenuous and only backed up by the threat of Western sanction or invasion.

Underneath this veneer of Western-enforced women's rights, where Western political authority fails, patriarchy seeps back in. You can see how warlords in Africa like Joseph Kony enslave and brutalize women, putting them back under check, and similar for such warlords and terrorist organizations in the Middle East, Latin America, South-East Asia and elsewhere. Even some sovereign states like Iran have been able to defy the West as they weaken, pushing back on Western demands to liberalize and give women rights.

If the West were to collapse, or at least significantly weaken, you will most likely see the pendulum swing back to patriarchy. We would not need to return to the Medieval age for this, however of course living standards would take a hit in such a future and many luxuries of life will be lost especially in the immediate aftermath, but once new patriarchal societies arise, living standards would improve again, and at least for some more centuries, the question of women's rights will be buried again.
Agreed, though once the West falls, no one is safe, it will take years to rebuild and in that time, the dominant, unhindered by legality and social conventions will do as they please just as you said. Women's rights would still be here to stay however as they have been adopted by 1st and 2nd world nations and the 3rd world nations are slowly but surely stabilizing and standards of living are rising. As long as all is well ,things such as feminism and social justice will continue to thrive and because of Western influence, the world at large is v=becomingmore progressive. The more successful a nation, the more liberties it is willing to hand out
 
Agreed, though once the West falls, no one is safe, it will take years to rebuild and in that time, the dominant, unhindered by legality and social conventions will do as they please just as you said. Women's rights would still be here to stay however as they have been adopted by 1st and 2nd world nations and the 3rd world nations are slowly but surely stabilizing and standards of living are rising. As long as all is well ,things such as feminism and social justice will continue to thrive and because of Western influence, the world at large is v=becomingmore progressive. The more successful a nation, the more liberties it is willing to hand out

Yes, very true. Women's rights and feminism will continue to make traction, both here in the West and in the rest of the world, as long as the West remains in order to enforce it. However, I do think as male inceldom rises, you will get a stronger pushback globally against women's rights, and more disenfranchised men will become tired of it. Even just 10 years ago, the manosphere was practically non-existent, and even the redpill ideology was in its very early stages. Even most of us here probably were only fully blackpilled in the last few years. Today, incels and MGTOW are becoming mainstream knowledge, and more men are waking up as the male virginity rate rises.

Importantly, democracy will also have to fail, because universalist democracies which give equal rights ensures women will never be defeated politically, especially given the block-like voting patterns of women. Hence, why the West is very keen on pushing democracy, even by military invasion, onto other countries.

But once the West collapses, you'll see a global collapse worldwide because of how interlinked the global economy is, and women's rights everywhere will be reset to zero in the aftermath.
 
Yes, very true. Women's rights and feminism will continue to make traction, both here in the West and in the rest of the world, as long as the West remains in order to enforce it. However, I do think as male inceldom rises, you will get a stronger pushback globally against women's rights, and more disenfranchised men will become tired of it. Even just 10 years ago, the manosphere was practically non-existent, and even the redpill ideology was in its very early stages. Even most of us here probably were only fully blackpilled in the last few years. Today, incels and MGTOW are becoming mainstream knowledge, and more men are waking up as the male virginity rate rises.

Importantly, democracy will also have to fail, because universalist democracies which give equal rights ensures women will never be defeated politically, especially given the block-like voting patterns of women. Hence, why the West is very keen on pushing democracy, even by military invasion, onto other countries.

But once the West collapses, you'll see a global collapse worldwide because of how interlinked the global economy is, and women's rights everywhere will be reset to zero in the aftermath.
As much as I'd love to see that, I don't think democracy will fail. The world is pretty much run by the West, Russia, and China. The West is such a big player that it won't be allowed to fall and anything that could possibly cause its collapse will be terminated with prejudice by the state
 
As much as I'd love to see that, I don't think democracy will fail. The world is pretty much run by the West, Russia, and China. The West is such a big player that it won't be allowed to fall and anything that could possibly cause its collapse will be terminated with prejudice by the state

The West is already essentially committing suicide by mass immigration of different cultures and ethnicities. Actually, Russia has been very smart about this, because they have been helping stoke the flames of division in Western countries, between the left and right, between different races and religions, causing Western societies to fragment. As the West becomes more heterodox, and it loses its cohesive white majority, it will be greatly weakened by division. Sooner or later, you will see it implode in a Yugoslavia-style scenario. Women's rights also further contributes to this volatile powderkeg, as you have an excess of young males with no wives or children, and thus nothing to lose, which is always a destabilizing factor in societies.

Thankfully, the West's insistence on domination and full democracy has pissed off Russia and China, and especially Russia has been keen to see the end of the Western world dominance, especially after all the Western sanctions placed against it. On top of this, you have other countries such as Iran and North Korea, which also are seeking to bring down the West - even a single nuclear war in the Middle East region could cripple Western hegemony especially if the petrodollar collapsed. Even organizations like ISIS and al-Qaeda are cunningly harming Western nations by helping the far-right surge to prominence through committing terrorist attacks and stoking ethnic divisions. Likewise, the rise of the far-right also heightens extremism in the left, causing a stronger far-left, a domino effect that is greatly harming Western society.

With so many enemies, a declining economy, race and gender relations at an all-time low, declining populations, low fertility, and its reliance on immigration to temporarily reverse economical decline, all in the backdrop of an increasingly unstable world as global warming wreaks havoc (in great part thanks to Western, and especially female, resource overconsumption), the future of the West is very bleak.

One edit, I also forgot to mention the West has an increasingly aging population, which is already putting great strain on the economy and health services (another reason why the West calls for immigration). In the future, this problem will get worse because of low fertility, putting even more strain on Western countries.
 
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feminism, benefit the foids at the detriment of boys
 
The West is already essentially committing suicide by mass immigration of different cultures and ethnicities. Actually, Russia has been very smart about this, because they have been helping stoke the flames of division in Western countries, between the left and right, between different races and religions, causing Western societies to fragment. As the West becomes more heterodox, and it loses its cohesive white majority, it will be greatly weakened by division. Sooner or later, you will see it implode in a Yugoslavia-style scenario. Women's rights also further contributes to this volatile powderkeg, as you have an excess of young males with no wives or children, and thus nothing to lose, which is always a destabilizing factor in societies.
If this had been a few centuries ago I would have agreed with you. Modern civilization has bred out the will to strike among the masses, with this place being a good example. The American government has a tight grip on the populace and any rebellion will be stamped out within weeks. Home grown terrorism is the only feasible way to deliver revolution, however most people are too short sighted to see this. Many have tried this in the past, people like Tim McViegh and Dylan Roof come to mind and nothing ever came of their actions aside from inspiring peole to copy their actions on a smaller scale and with less planning and coordination. As a result no lasting wounds have ever been inflicted by domestic threats
Thankfully, the West's insistence on domination and full democracy has pissed off Russia and China, and especially Russia has been very keen to see the end of the Western world dominance. On top of this, you have other countries such as Iran and North Korea, which also are seeking to bring down the West - even a single nuclear war in the Middle East region could cripple Western hegemony especially if the petrodollar collapsed.
While Russia would certainly like to reduce the influence of the West, their leaders realize the important part they ply in the global economy. As I said before, if the West, Russia, or China were to fall, the world would fall into a Neo-Dark Age
Even organizations like ISIS and al-Qaeda are cunningly harming Western nations by helping the far-right surge to prominence through committing terrorist attacks and stoking ethnic divisions. Likewise, the rise of the far-right also heightens extremism in the left, causing a stronger far-left, a domino effect that is greatly harming Western society.
I've already covered domestic terrorists but foreign terrorists have little impact on the system as a whole. Terror attacks have certainly been sensationalized by similarly to domestic terror attacks, no lasting damage has been done to the West in terms of its economy or military capabilities
With so many enemies, a declining economy, race and gender relations at an all-time low, declining populations, low fertility, and its reliance on immigration to temporarily reverse economical reverse, all in the backdrop of an increasingly unstable world as global warming wreaks havoc (in great part thanks to Western, and especially female, resource overconsumption), the future of the West is very bleak.
This on the other hand, could do the trick.The economy has been a credit reliant zombie of half a century now, because of this however, I believe that no matter how it gets, there will be no collapse. World governments have simply been printing useless slips of paper for generations now and as long as the markets don't interfere, things will remain the same. I am of the opinion that the only things that could stop the west at this point are overconsumption and overpopulation as these things can't and won't be addressed by the world governments and efforts the reverse this will only be made long after we cross the threshold of an event horizon
 
If this had been a few centuries ago I would have agreed with you. Modern civilization has bred out the will to strike among the masses, with this place being a good example. The American government has a tight grip on the populace and any rebellion will be stamped out within weeks. Home grown terrorism is the only feasible way to deliver revolution, however most people are too short sighted to see this. Many have tried this in the past, people like Tim McViegh and Dylan Roof come to mind and nothing ever came of their actions aside from inspiring peole to copy their actions on a smaller scale and with less planning and coordination. As a result no lasting wounds have ever been inflicted by domestic threats

To be honest I think the number of men willing to commit violence (and usually die in the process) has always been quite small. Even Medieval armies often only consisted of a few thousand or rarely tens of thousands of men, often forcibly drafted, from populations of hundreds of thousands or even millions. I do agree the main thing stopping mass violence is because Western governments have powerful militaries that can stop it. However, if the society weakened, and vacuums opened up, there would be a significant enough number of men who would commit violence and fracture the society, Mexico is a good example of this, it's a semi-wealthy society, it's not dirt poor and far more richer than any Medieval country would have been, but even there under only semi-anarchic conditions, you have huge numbers of men fighting and dying in those cartels, both against each other and against the government. Since 2006, 250,000 people have died in that drug war alone.

While Russia would certainly like to reduce the influence of the West, their leaders realize the important part they ply in the global economy. As I said before, if the West, Russia, or China were to fall, the world would fall into a Neo-Dark Age

In my opinion, I think Russia views the West as an existential threat. Because the West has heavily pushed for democracy and regime change which has collapsed fellow allied governments in the Ukraine, Georgia and other countries previously, Russia has become paranoid of the West. Even during 1980s in the Cold War, the Soviets were ready to use nuclear weapons in weeks in case of a conventional conflict with the West, so I don't believe that current-day Russia is interested in preserving the West in any form. Hence, their support of the far-right and far-left makes sense in this context, as it greatly harms Western society, and could possibly cause a Western collapse in the case of severe infighting.

I've already covered domestic terrorists but foreign terrorists have little impact on the system as a whole. Terror attacks have certainly been sensationalized by similarly to domestic terror attacks, no lasting damage has been done to the West in terms of its economy or military capabilities

In terms of casualties, I would agree that both domestic and foreign terrorist attacks on their own do not really do any damage. However, it's people's overreaction that does the damage, especially of the far-right, which fuels the far-left. And this causes riots and further instability. I think this is why the West is very aggressive in going after terrorism, even to the tune of spending trillions in hopeless wars.

This on the other hand, could do the trick.The economy has been a credit reliant zombie of half a century now, because of this however, I believe that no matter how it gets, there will be no collapse. World governments have simply been printing useless slips of paper for generations now and as long as the markets don't interfere, things will remain the same. I am of the opinion that the only things that could stop the west at this point are overconsumption and overpopulation as these things can't and won't be addressed by the world governments and efforts the reverse this will only be made long after we cross the threshold of an event horizon

Very true, I do think it will be ultimately a Malthusian future that does us in. Our massive consumption of resources is destroying the planet, and as the rest of the world also heightens its consumption and population levels, it will cause even more damage. We are already past the threshold where the catastrophic damage of global warming could be averted, and we are on track for a world 5-6 celsius higher in 2100. Our emissions are not decreasing, and are still growing rapidly, so this will cause profound changes in the world, such as the loss of the ice caps causing global flooding, the destruction of many carbon reserves releasing more greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere, mass die-off of oxygen-producing algae in the oceans which make up 70% of our world's oxygen production, etc.
 
To be honest I think the number of men willing to commit violence (and usually die in the process) has always been quite small. Even Medieval armies often only consisted of a few thousand or rarely tens of thousands of men, often forcibly drafted, from populations of hundreds of thousands or even millions. I do agree the main thing stopping mass violence is because Western governments have powerful militaries that can stop it. However, if the society weakened, and vacuums opened up, there would be a significant enough number of men who would commit violence and fracture the society,
I'm not confident in the public's ability to stand against their government and succeed but honestly, only time will tell
Mexico is a good example of this, it's a semi-wealthy society, it's not dirt poor and far more richer than any Medieval country would have been, but even there aunder only semi-anarchic conditions, you have huge numbers of men fighting and dying in those cartels, both against each other and against the government. Since 2006, 250,000 people have died in that drug war alone.
I think the main problem with Mexico is that the cartels have just as much influence as the government. They have the resources, money, and man power to continue their operations and many members of the Mexican government are in league with these cartels. In other Western nations, no other groups have the land, labor, capital or reach that the Mexican cartel do
In my opinion, I think Russia views the West as an existential threat. Because the West has heavily pushed for democracy and regime change which has collapsed fellow allied governments in the Ukraine, Georgia and other countries previously, Russia has become paranoid of the West. Even during 1980s in the Cold War, the Soviets were ready to use nuclear weapons in weeks in case of a conventional conflict with the West, so I don't believe that current-day Russia is interested in preserving the West in any form. Hence, their support of the far-right and far-left makes sense in this context, as it greatly harms Western society, and could possibly cause a Western collapse in the case of severe infighting.

In terms of casualties, I would agree that both domestic and foreign terrorist attacks on their own do not really do any damage. However, it's people's overreaction that does the damage, especially of the far-right, which fuels the far-left. And this causes riots and further instability. I think this is why the West is very aggressive in going after terrorism, even to the tune of spending trillions in hopeless wars.
Again, Russia needs the West in order to hold its power and influence. A global economic collapse would spell doom for them and the rest of the work, similar to how the effect of a nuclear war would have had back in the days of the Cold War. As for the left vs right infighting, most of it is relegated to youtube comments and internet forums, but as I said before, things may change within a few decades. The worst that has come of this conflict is Antifa, and their efforts have been laughable at best
Very true, I do think it will be ultimately a Malthusian future that does us in. Our massive consumption of resources is destroying the planet, and as the rest of the world also heightens its consumption and population levels, it will cause even more damage. We are already past the threshold where the catastrophic damage of global warming could be averted, and we are on track for a world 5-6 celsius higher in 2100. Our emissions are not decreasing, and are still growing rapidly, so this will cause profound changes in the world, such as the loss of the ice caps causing global flooding, the destruction of many carbon reserves releasing more greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere, mass die-off of oxygen-producing algae in the oceans which make up 70% of our world's oxygen production, etc.
I agreed with this section entirely
 
The free market extending to sexuality. Technology making the average man obsolete and no longer an attractive option. Women encouraged to be aggressive earners and view men as antagonistic predators.
 
Tinder and feminism happened....

This too....
Very simple, Western governments figured out they would make way more money by having two tax slaves instead of one, while corporations realized they could massively drive down wages if women entered the workforce. Hence, they backed feminism and female hypergamy, and continue to export it around the world, by military force if needed.

None of them care about men suffering under their shit system. They only take notice when men commit crime, rope or go ER (because men can't be tax slaves when in jail or dead), but instead of fixing this problem by taking away women's rights, they prescribe "medication" and psychologists in order to brainwash you into a zombified slave.

On fire with this....
Everyone who is in politics today agrees with feminism and female hypergamy, whether they are right-wing or left-wing. They have all been on the same page regarding women's rights to work, be educated, vote, be whores, etc for decades now, there's no more division between them. Even people like Trump would never reverse feminism, because they know they, and other rich people especially business owners, make tons of money from it.

Only if the West collapses would this be any different, because then you would have new societies emerge, and some would be invariably be dominated by men who are sick of this bullshit and will reinstitute patriarchy. But as long as the West remains powerful, they will never allow this to pass - they even invade and bomb "misogynistic" societies across the world, just to make sure feminism will succeed everywhere, so that corporations can reap huge profits.

Keeping the fire going with this....
The West is already essentially committing suicide by mass immigration of different cultures and ethnicities. Actually, Russia has been very smart about this, because they have been helping stoke the flames of division in Western countries, between the left and right, between different races and religions, causing Western societies to fragment. As the West becomes more heterodox, and it loses its cohesive white majority, it will be greatly weakened by division. Sooner or later, you will see it implode in a Yugoslavia-style scenario. Women's rights also further contributes to this volatile powderkeg, as you have an excess of young males with no wives or children, and thus nothing to lose, which is always a destabilizing factor in societies.

Thankfully, the West's insistence on domination and full democracy has pissed off Russia and China, and especially Russia has been keen to see the end of the Western world dominance, especially after all the Western sanctions placed against it. On top of this, you have other countries such as Iran and North Korea, which also are seeking to bring down the West - even a single nuclear war in the Middle East region could cripple Western hegemony especially if the petrodollar collapsed. Even organizations like ISIS and al-Qaeda are cunningly harming Western nations by helping the far-right surge to prominence through committing terrorist attacks and stoking ethnic divisions. Likewise, the rise of the far-right also heightens extremism in the left, causing a stronger far-left, a domino effect that is greatly harming Western society.

With so many enemies, a declining economy, race and gender relations at an all-time low, declining populations, low fertility, and its reliance on immigration to temporarily reverse economical decline, all in the backdrop of an increasingly unstable world as global warming wreaks havoc (in great part thanks to Western, and especially female, resource overconsumption), the future of the West is very bleak.

One edit, I also forgot to mention the West has an increasingly aging population, which is already putting great strain on the economy and health services (another reason why the West calls for immigration). In the future, this problem will get worse because of low fertility, putting even more strain on Western countries.


Chudur Keeping it short and sweet but correct with this...
capitalism + liberalism + feminism == hell


Its literally the worst time ever. I would rather live in a time of war a few hundred years ago or something, then atleast u had a purpose and got some action, maybe a wife and children to fight for.
Not to mention you died earlier with a purpose instead of rotting for decades in lonely misery.

Now all u do is workcel, eat, troll the internet, sleep, workcel, eat, troll the internet, sleep.
It's like Eggy said "welcome to the future baby"

Such a fucking bullshit society we have gotten. Ive even lost all motivation to get a femoid now, whats the point? They ALL have had Chad 20 times anyway so they wont be happy with some average dude.
Same tbh, I don't even think I want sex or females anymore, that part of me is dead, the desire is gone.
 
we were born in the wrong generation boyo
 
Fuck its truly over, it will only get worse from now
 
Back in my grandfathers day, literally everyone got a wife, who was almost always skinny. Everyone produced many children, most guys got a house and often two cars, a good family life with a huge family. Life was simple. Get a job, get a wife (just fucking pick one, many want you), produce children and then make money and advance in ur career with ur other bros helping eachother out.

Nowadays, MILLIONS OF MEN live alone, eating fast food, trolling the internet well into their 40s, incompetent, no car, no house, no wife ofcourse, no children, nothing.

What is the REASON? WHAT HAPPENED? Our society is so SHIT these days.

What the fuck is going on?
(((Tribesmen))) happened.
 
technology made men obsolete.
 
To be honest I think the number of men willing to commit violence (and usually die in the process) has always been quite small. Even Medieval armies often only consisted of a few thousand or rarely tens of thousands of men, often forcibly drafted, from populations of hundreds of thousands or even millions. I do agree the main thing stopping mass violence is because Western governments have powerful militaries that can stop it. However, if the society weakened, and vacuums opened up, there would be a significant enough number of men who would commit violence and fracture the society, Mexico is a good example of this, it's a semi-wealthy society, it's not dirt poor and far more richer than any Medieval country would have been, but even there under only semi-anarchic conditions, you have huge numbers of men fighting and dying in those cartels, both against each other and against the government. Since 2006, 250,000 people have died in that drug war alone.



In my opinion, I think Russia views the West as an existential threat. Because the West has heavily pushed for democracy and regime change which has collapsed fellow allied governments in the Ukraine, Georgia and other countries previously, Russia has become paranoid of the West. Even during 1980s in the Cold War, the Soviets were ready to use nuclear weapons in weeks in case of a conventional conflict with the West, so I don't believe that current-day Russia is interested in preserving the West in any form. Hence, their support of the far-right and far-left makes sense in this context, as it greatly harms Western society, and could possibly cause a Western collapse in the case of severe infighting.



In terms of casualties, I would agree that both domestic and foreign terrorist attacks on their own do not really do any damage. However, it's people's overreaction that does the damage, especially of the far-right, which fuels the far-left. And this causes riots and further instability. I think this is why the West is very aggressive in going after terrorism, even to the tune of spending trillions in hopeless wars.



Very true, I do think it will be ultimately a Malthusian future that does us in. Our massive consumption of resources is destroying the planet, and as the rest of the world also heightens its consumption and population levels, it will cause even more damage. We are already past the threshold where the catastrophic damage of global warming could be averted, and we are on track for a world 5-6 celsius higher in 2100. Our emissions are not decreasing, and are still growing rapidly, so this will cause profound changes in the world, such as the loss of the ice caps causing global flooding, the destruction of many carbon reserves releasing more greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere, mass die-off of oxygen-producing algae in the oceans which make up 70% of our world's oxygen production, etc.

The Mexican drug wars was caused by the U.S. however it is the reemergence of spic culture seen in the human sacrifices of the Aztecs and Maya's who raided villages to brutally murder people

This is why 5'4 men are prevalent in Mexico, the amerindian Y chromosome still exists and murder is masculinity and sexual

Unlike @Zesto and his people the incas were just pussies who just shoved children into snow caves
 
The Mexican drug wars was caused by the U.S. however it is the reemergence of spic culture seen in the human sacrifices of the Aztecs and Maya's who raided villages to brutally murder people

This is why 5'4 men are prevalent in Mexico, the amerindian Y chromosome still exists and murder is masculinity and sexual

Unlike @Zesto and his people the incas were just pussies who just shoved children into snow caves

Selfie


Yes I was about to say, I am a Peruaryan, don't lump me in with TacoCels.
 

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