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Discussion What is the problem with a soy instead of meat based diet?

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Seems to have tons of protein and that phytoestrogens act on your body seems to be debunked as well.

Why are Japanese people so frail then?
 
It hasn't been debunked they don't account for long term exposure. Also vegan diets are not healthy do you know any vegans older than 50 without health prblems.
 
Why are Japanese people so frail then?

Same reason why the Japanese have some of the longest lifespans.

Genes.

And there's nothing wrong with soy, to be honest; it really is just a meme. I will say that if you're a kid or teenager, soy milk doesn't have the calcium that cow milk provides.
 
It hasn't been debunked they don't account for long term exposure. Also vegan diets are not healthy do you know any vegans older than 50 without health prblems.
cope, vegan diet is healthy. Just need to get a variety of foods.
 
Same reason why the Japanese have some of the longest lifespans.

Genes.
adventist vegetarian religious christians now have the longest lifespans in the world, surpassing the okinawans who previously held the title but their diet got more westernized.
 
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Meat and cow milk have actual estrogen hormones so I dunno the whole soy = pussyboy is kinda unfounded.
 
imagine not following a mongolian diet and eat nothing but milk based products and meat allday
 
adventist vegetarian religious christians now have the longest lifespans in the world, surpassing the okinawans who previously held the title but their diet got more westernized.
false recordings on the okinawans, from what I recall, they were usually eating pork as well as their standard diet, but after the war with how their crops burnt and everything else, this dwindled them, as the pigs were also in short stock. Then as the population of the pigs started to grow, the health started to improve iirc. Their diet primarily consisted of pork and everything else we know of about them, but it was mainly pork, though considering if they only consumed a high plant based diet, they would essentially have higher chances of the issues you hear from pure vegans, considering there isn't a lot of fat, specifically LDL, in a vegans diet, and without LDL, you are more likely to get stroke, nerve issues etc.

The only balanced diet is through proper ratioing of the foods you consume, which is why there is a things such as the LDL:HDL ratio, but not the one (((modern))) dieticians propose, since modern diets aren't only high fat but actually have high vegetable oil content, meaning they weren't even what the (((dieticians))) made you think they were to be, since high vegetable oil content, which has omega 6 and 9 (unsaturated fats), are the ones that cause majority of the problems western world has right now, due to people taking in more than needed. Cancers, strokes and heart attacks, weren't prevelant pre-50's to 60's and in those times they were usually consuming saturated fat and animal based products (I would also presume organic fed and finished animals too), it was only when the industry, whilst donating to the scientists and government as well, that the increase in vegetable oils and other stupendous products were sold high fly to the american public. If you remember Eishenhower's heart attack, that was purely due to the industry's fault of promoting a "heart healthy" diet being the SAD diet and the other abominative pure vegan trash. Then you have (((Ancel Keys))) promoting the same bs that there is "good" and "bad" cholesterol, when that kike nigger was wrong on his own seven country study by purely cherry picking countries that favoured his hypothesis.


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So no a vegan diet doesn't help, nor does a high meat one as well, and mongolians aren't continuously eating meat, even when that is their staple food source, since it's obviously expected that if you eat more than your belly is filled you are going to fuck yourself over, this is basic knowledge of understanding not to eat more than necessary or even in any aspect of life.
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I could go in more detail about this entire fiasco caused by the diet industry, where they are clearly pulling the strings and have accessed the vegan market to pull even more strings and undermine the america public but it would require me to write page essays.
no, I can't give up dairy. meat is easier, but whatever.
well you shouldn't give up on dairy as you will be killing yourself in the short run.
 
false recordings on the okinawans, from what I recall, they were usually eating pork as well as their standard diet, but after the war with how their crops burnt and everything else, this dwindled them, as the pigs were also in short stock. Then as the population of the pigs started to grow, the health started to improve iirc. Their diet primarily consisted of pork and everything else we know of about them, but it was mainly pork, though considering if they only consumed a high plant based diet, they would essentially have higher chances of the issues you hear from pure vegans, considering there isn't a lot of fat, specifically LDL, in a vegans diet, and without LDL, you are more likely to get stroke, nerve issues etc.

The only balanced diet is through proper ratioing of the foods you consume, which is why there is a things such as the LDL:HDL ratio, but not the one (((modern))) dieticians propose, since modern diets aren't only high fat but actually have high vegetable oil content, meaning they weren't even what the (((dieticians))) made you think they were to be, since high vegetable oil content, which has omega 6 and 9 (unsaturated fats), are the ones that cause majority of the problems western world has right now, due to people taking in more than needed. Cancers, strokes and heart attacks, weren't prevelant pre-50's to 60's and in those times they were usually consuming saturated fat and animal based products (I would also presume organic fed and finished animals too), it was only when the industry, whilst donating to the scientists and government as well, that the increase in vegetable oils and other stupendous products were sold high fly to the american public. If you remember Eishenhower's heart attack, that was purely due to the industry's fault of promoting a "heart healthy" diet being the SAD diet and the other abominative pure vegan trash. Then you have (((Ancel Keys))) promoting the same bs that there is "good" and "bad" cholesterol, when that kike nigger was wrong on his own seven country study by purely cherry picking countries that favoured his hypothesis.


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So no a vegan diet doesn't help, nor does a high meat one as well, and mongolians aren't continuously eating meat, even when that is their staple food source, since it's obviously expected that if you eat more than your belly is filled you are going to fuck yourself over, this is basic knowledge of understanding not to eat more than necessary or even in any aspect of life.
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I could go in more detail about this entire fiasco caused by the diet industry, where they are clearly pulling the strings and have accessed the vegan market to pull even more strings and undermine the america public but it would require me to write page essays.

well you shouldn't give up on dairy as you will be killing yourself in the short run.
TL;DR? :feelsrope:
 
Meat and cow milk have actual estrogen hormones so I dunno the whole soy = pussyboy is kinda unfounded.
I think cow meat isn't bad for humans but cow milk isn't good because its hormones are supposed to be consumed by the baby cow only and not humans.
 
What fats?
your usual animals fats i.e. saturated fats. It's the sort of fat we had to help our evolution, as well as growing the brains we have now but the trade off being a smaller intestinal structure, since not a lot of work would be required to break down the meat unlike plants (cows and gorillas have large guts because of this), but after agriculture (which wasn't so bad but did impact us due to high consumption) lead to certain devolutionary steps to occur, being the brain size decreasing in size.


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You should also be eating organ meats and the entire skeletal structure, as those parts of the animal are actually highly nutritious, which I indulge in myself. Though again not too much, since you will likely get constipatory problems.
 
As far as I understand it, soy protein isn't "complete", it doesn't have all of the 12 or 14 amino acids. Whereas meat + milk is abundant in all of them. So if you have a soy diet and no other sources of protein, you'll be deficient in some of the amino acids and probably also deficient in iron, zinc and some other vitamins.

I used to be into bodybuilding, and there was quite a lot of talk about soy protein increasing your estrogen levels. But I think it's exaggerated. Like drinking alcohol and being overweight increases your estrogen a lot. And microplastics in our drinking water increase estrogen even more too. So the soy protein = man boobs thing is probably just a myth propagated by bodybuilders.
 
You should also be eating organ meats and the entire skeletal structure, as those parts of the animal are actually highly nutritious, which I indulge in myself. Though again not too much, since you will likely get constipatory problems.
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As far as I understand it, soy protein isn't "complete", it doesn't have all of the 12 or 14 amino acids. Whereas meat + milk is abundant in all of them. So if you have a soy diet and no other sources of protein, you'll be deficient in some of the amino acids and probably also deficient in iron, zinc and some other vitamins.

I used to be into bodybuilding, and there was quite a lot of talk about soy protein increasing your estrogen levels. But I think it's exaggerated. Like drinking alcohol and being overweight increases your estrogen a lot. And microplastics in our drinking water increase estrogen even more too. So the soy protein = man boobs thing is probably just a myth propagated by bodybuilders.
What about pea protein? I heard this is the new "the shit".
 
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organ meats such as the liver are highly nutritious in vitamins and have always been used as a "medicial" food, even those who are pregnant. Organ meats are also helpful in reducing free radicals, since they have glutathione, meaning that you are likely to reduce issues such as cancer from occurring. The same can be said for bones as they are mineral dense and the marrow is essentially a healthy item to consume.
 
false recordings on the okinawans, from what I recall, they were usually eating pork as well as their standard diet, but after the war with how their crops burnt and everything else, this dwindled them, as the pigs were also in short stock. Then as the population of the pigs started to grow, the health started to improve iirc. Their diet primarily consisted of pork and everything else we know of about them, but it was mainly pork, though considering if they only consumed a high plant based diet, they would essentially have higher chances of the issues you hear from pure vegans, considering there isn't a lot of fat, specifically LDL, in a vegans diet, and without LDL, you are more likely to get stroke, nerve issues etc.

The only balanced diet is through proper ratioing of the foods you consume, which is why there is a things such as the LDL:HDL ratio, but not the one (((modern))) dieticians propose, since modern diets aren't only high fat but actually have high vegetable oil content, meaning they weren't even what the (((dieticians))) made you think they were to be, since high vegetable oil content, which has omega 6 and 9 (unsaturated fats), are the ones that cause majority of the problems western world has right now, due to people taking in more than needed. Cancers, strokes and heart attacks, weren't prevelant pre-50's to 60's and in those times they were usually consuming saturated fat and animal based products (I would also presume organic fed and finished animals too), it was only when the industry, whilst donating to the scientists and government as well, that the increase in vegetable oils and other stupendous products were sold high fly to the american public. If you remember Eishenhower's heart attack, that was purely due to the industry's fault of promoting a "heart healthy" diet being the SAD diet and the other abominative pure vegan trash. Then you have (((Ancel Keys))) promoting the same bs that there is "good" and "bad" cholesterol, when that kike nigger was wrong on his own seven country study by purely cherry picking countries that favoured his hypothesis.


View attachment 328604
So no a vegan diet doesn't help, nor does a high meat one as well, and mongolians aren't continuously eating meat, even when that is their staple food source, since it's obviously expected that if you eat more than your belly is filled you are going to fuck yourself over, this is basic knowledge of understanding not to eat more than necessary or even in any aspect of life.
View attachment 328611
I could go in more detail about this entire fiasco caused by the diet industry, where they are clearly pulling the strings and have accessed the vegan market to pull even more strings and undermine the america public but it would require me to write page essays.

well you shouldn't give up on dairy as you will be killing yourself in the short run.
Yes Okinawans did eat meat, but it was less than 10% of their total caloric intake, which matches hunter gatherer tribes. Meat is treated more like a treat or something you eat on a special occasion.

Sure LDL is important, but the problem is that American diets fuck up the ratio of HDL to LDL, which is why LDL is usually referred to as the bad cholestoral, as having to much of it compared to HDL can cause a lot of problems.

The Okinawa eat a pretty high carb low fat diet.
As for saturated fat, it is still the scientific concensus that saturated fat is linked to heart disease, this is not just from the 60s and based on a few studies. There is a huge amount of scientific literature backing this up now
For example this large metastudy says there was a link found between dietary saturated fat intake and increased heart disease, while cholestoral itself does not:

it claims since foods with cholestoral are also high with saturated fat, that is is what is causing the problem. Dietary cholestoral itself doesn't seem to be as much of an issue when consumed, but saturated fat and trans fat does spike cholestoral levels and how it functions mechanistically. https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/135/9/2075/4664084

So why is cholestoral when consumed not dangerous but it is dangerous when saturated fat converts to it? It probably has to do with how the things are ratio'd. But since there isn't much isolation studies between cholestoral and saturated fat, many still say LDL is still a problem on its own :https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/38/32/2459/3745109. But in any case, what is a clear consensus is that saturated fat itself is not good for heart health.

People in the 60s used to walk a lot more, and increased activity causes reduction in cholestoral levels in general, thus they can afford to eat the saturated fat levels they were eating. I actually think the biggest reason we are getting fatter with more health problems is because we are eating processed food that have huge endocrine problems that lead to health problems and issues with fat metabolism, and also making foods more addicting using chemistry to make us eat more calories and highjack our satiety response.

Now despite all that, if we lived in a pre-Industrial society eating the foods we do, most people still wouldn't have been overweight even with all the endocrine disruption from processed food. Even if you ate a healthy unprocessed diet of no meat nowadays, you will be a lot healthier. But none of this means I think vegan diets and low meat diets aren't healthier, I think the evidence is pretty clear that when everything else is taken into account, populations that consume less meat and subpopulations that are vegetarian or vegan are healthier than people who eat the same diets but have meat in them.

It's just one part of being healthier, but if you wanted to get healthier, taking out processed foods is a way bigger step. It's why I don't even reccomend people taking out meat from their diet for health reason, although a lot of meat is processed these days and they can move from eating more expensive organic meat that wasn't pumped with shit chemicals if you can accomplish that.
 

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