Discussion What do you think about veganism?

[fullofchagrin]

I don't like the fact that we eat animals. It's cruel. It's natural, but nature itself is cruel.

When I was a kid I helped my uncle slaughter a goat. It wasn't too bad. But that's nothing compared to industrial slaughterhouses. They're filthy. Wicked. They're dark places. I'm not vegan though. We don't have an actual substitute for organic meat because of soy and the corporatist society we live in. So I continue to eat meat.


If we had lab grown meat that was proven to be the same as organic meat I would eat that and advocate for the ban of organic meat. Would you?

 

[Thugs-5-Less]

Vegans need to be executed

 

[Mecoja]

Its a nasty world, i agree. Like how we eat cows and other animals, and treat dogs and cats as children. When theyre one of the same. Both have emotions and feel pain and fear. I eat meat and love it, im a fucking hypocrite.

 

[NIGGER BOJANGLES]

It's retarded and will make you very unhealthy.

 

[NIGGER BOJANGLES]

 

[Mistake]

Its a nasty world, i agree. Like how we eat cows and other animals, and treat dogs and cats as children. When theyre one of the same. Both have emotions and feel pain and fear. I eat meat and love it, im a fucking hypocrite.

 

[Roastie Crusher]

feed them to animals

 

[Zetta]

I alternate between 'veganism' and 'vegetarianism' because it's healthier and due to the fact heart disease and other related issues are a huge problem in my family.
That being said, if it was healthier to consume animal products, I would. I'm not going to rest on my laurels and morally aggrandize. Even though I do subscribe to vegan ethics, primarily the premise that animals are sentient and are of moral consideration; I'll always prioritize my well being over the things around me and as soon as that contract becomes uneven, I'm out.
Seeing animals suffering in those dingy derelict decrepit and suffocating animal farms did not propel to me to it. It was the medical delineation of it's health effects, that's literally it. I view the ethics as a mere valuable vestige. Perhaps the environmental argument bent to veganism is profound but I hate this world and wouldn't cry if it got nuked into oblivion at the end of the day.

 

[NER0]

Vegans like to believe they are morally superior, because they don't eat meat. In reality they are just weak cowards, who are afraid of pain, suffering and death. They are sheltered children unable to accept the natural cycle of life.

 

[Corvus]

I respect them and their values. Only a cuckservative would cry about what others eat anyway.

 

[Fluoxymesterone]

Veganism is a cult for retards. I like that we slaughter animals, but we shouldn't make them suffer.

 

[Fluoxymesterone]

I respect them and their values. Only a cuckservative would cry about what others eat anyway.

How can you respect them for voluntarily malnourishing themselves and often their children, which ultimately leads to suffering?

 

[Corvus]

How can you respect them for voluntarily malnourishing themselves and often their children, which ultimately leads to suffering?

I dont care about children newfag

 

[Fluoxymesterone]

I dont care about children newfag

Why are you calling me out on my join date and not addressing my point? You don't care about children but you respect vegans and their values, lol

 

[Fluoxymesterone]

I alternate between 'veganism' and 'vegetarianism' because it's healthier and due to the fact heart disease and other related issues are a huge problem in my family.
That being said, if it was healthier to consume animal products, I would. I'm not going to rest on my laurels and morally aggrandize. Even though I do subscribe to vegan ethics, primarily the premise that animals are sentient and are of moral consideration; I'll always prioritize my well being over the things around me and as soon as that contract becomes uneven, I'm out.
Seeing animals suffering in those dingy derelict decrepit and suffocating animal farms did not propel to me to it. It was the medical delineation of it's health effects, that's literally it. I view the ethics as a mere valuable vestige. Perhaps the environmental argument bent to veganism is profound but I hate this world and wouldn't cry if it got nuked into oblivion at the end of the day.

Are you trolling? You are malnourished and eating no animal products is not healthy at all. Where do you get your creatine from? Retinol? DHA? And much more. Red meat is linked to heart desease because people get it from mc donalds and from sick animals that lived unhealthy on a shit ton of medication. Nobody gets heart desease when they eat grass fed beef, jfl at falling for their propaganda

 

[fullofchagrin]

Its a nasty world, i agree. Like how we eat cows and other animals, and treat dogs and cats as children. When theyre one of the same. Both have emotions and feel pain and fear.

Dogs are treated even better than children. Disgusting creatures. People let fucking dogs sleep in their beds. Normoids are foul scum.

I eat meat and love it, im a fucking hypocrite.

Me too.

It's retarded and will make you very unhealthy.

That's why it's such a shame that there is no substitute for meat.

 

[fukurou]

hummus has lots of proteins, but its highly addictive.

 

[poorenglishcel]

Don't care about it

 

[Zetta]

Are you trolling? You are malnourished and eating no animal products is not healthy at all.

I'm objectively not, I've been doing it at least 7 years at this point. Recently I got bloodwork done and I'm not deficient in anything, definitely not creatine, vitamin a and my omega ratio is just fine. I can easily bench press 200 pounds despite not being an avid lifter. If I felt or saw that I was whittling and fraying away, I wouldn't have continued.

Where do you get your creatine from? Retinol? DHA? And much more.

JFL your argument presupposes that your average meat eater isn't deficient in retinol and dha, that's the biggest logical leap of faith that you're presuming here.

You can get creatine from legumes and tofu and vitamin a is just retarded point because it's abundant in tons of stuff like carrots and sweet potatoes. DHA you can just eat flaxseeds, walnuts or take supplements for that. You should've listed vitamin b12 or zinc because you are seldom to find that in plant diet. And I needn't mention how people are deficient in vitamin a, the b vitamins, vitamin c, and lack fiber in their diet and don't get enough antioxidants despite it being plentiful in plants.

Red meat is linked to heart desease because people get it from mc donalds and from sick animals that lived unhealthy on a shit ton of medication.

Red meat is linked to heart disease because it's--by virtue of itself--filled with cholesterol and saturated fats and long chain triglycerides and eating it abundantly in a modern context doesn't make sense since we're not hyper-fit hunter gatherers. Also red meat is correlated with insulin resistance and has heme iron which is cariogenic and god knows what hormones and serendipitous parasites you'll find in that shit on top of that. This is also naturally extends to holistically encompass all meat in terms of it's heart healthiness.

Nobody gets heart desease when they eat grass fed beef,

I categorically reject the premise that grass fed beef is in anyway substantially different to normal beef, this wonk shit on par with the non gmo vs gmo, organic vs non organic non sense

jfl at falling for their propaganda

Your post reads more like agitprop than mine buddy

 

[Fluoxymesterone]

I'm objectively not, I've been doing it at least 7 years at this point. Recently I got bloodwork done and I'm not deficient in anything, definitely not creatine, vitamin a and my omega ratio is just fine. I can easily bench press 200 pounds despite not being an avid lifter. If I felt or saw that I was whittling and fraying away, I wouldn't have continued.

JFL your argument presupposes that your average meat eater isn't deficient in retinol and dha, that's the biggest logical leap of faith that you're presuming here.

You can get creatine from legumes and tofu and vitamin a is just retarded point because it's abundant in tons of stuff like carrots and sweet potatoes. DHA you can just eat flaxseeds, walnuts or take supplements for that. You should've listed vitamin b12 or zinc because you are seldom to find that in plant diet. And I needn't mention how people are deficient in vitamin a, the b vitamins, vitamin c, and lack fiber in their diet and don't get enough antioxidants despite it being plentiful in plants.

Red meat is linked to heart disease because it's--by virtue of itself--filled with cholesterol and saturated fats and long chain triglycerides and eating it abundantly in a modern context doesn't make sense since we're not hyper-fit hunter gatherers. Also red meat is correlated with insulin resistance and has heme iron which is cariogenic and god knows what hormones and serendipitous parasites you'll find in that shit on top of that. This is also naturally extends to holistically encompass all meat in terms of it's heart healthiness.

I categorically reject the premise that grass fed beef is in anyway substantially different to normal beef, this wonk shit on par with the non gmo vs gmo, organic vs non organic non sense

Your post reads more like agitprop than mine buddy

"Vegetarian and vegan-friendly foods with creatine include tofu and whole grains. However, these options only contain trace amounts compared to animal products. For example, 100 grams of tofu only contains 0.01 grams of creatine"
I benchpressed 200lbs the first time as a framecel after 6 weeks gym at 16. Not a flex. "Preformed vitamin A (retinol) comes only from animal fats that contain active vitamin A—such as liver, eggs, buttercream or cod liver oil—whereas carrots contain beta carotene, a provitamin A that is bioconverted to vitamin A"

 

[Fluoxymesterone]

I'm objectively not, I've been doing it at least 7 years at this point. Recently I got bloodwork done and I'm not deficient in anything, definitely not creatine, vitamin a and my omega ratio is just fine. I can easily bench press 200 pounds despite not being an avid lifter. If I felt or saw that I was whittling and fraying away, I wouldn't have continued.

JFL your argument presupposes that your average meat eater isn't deficient in retinol and dha, that's the biggest logical leap of faith that you're presuming here.

You can get creatine from legumes and tofu and vitamin a is just retarded point because it's abundant in tons of stuff like carrots and sweet potatoes. DHA you can just eat flaxseeds, walnuts or take supplements for that. You should've listed vitamin b12 or zinc because you are seldom to find that in plant diet. And I needn't mention how people are deficient in vitamin a, the b vitamins, vitamin c, and lack fiber in their diet and don't get enough antioxidants despite it being plentiful in plants.

Red meat is linked to heart disease because it's--by virtue of itself--filled with cholesterol and saturated fats and long chain triglycerides and eating it abundantly in a modern context doesn't make sense since we're not hyper-fit hunter gatherers. Also red meat is correlated with insulin resistance and has heme iron which is cariogenic and god knows what hormones and serendipitous parasites you'll find in that shit on top of that. This is also naturally extends to holistically encompass all meat in terms of it's heart healthiness.

I categorically reject the premise that grass fed beef is in anyway substantially different to normal beef, this wonk shit on par with the non gmo vs gmo, organic vs non organic non sense

Your post reads more like agitprop than mine buddy

Dietary cholestoral increases testosterone. Saturated fats from animals are healthy. If you are not a moving like a hunter gatherer, your solution is to restrict your diet instead lf moving a lot like a hunter gatherer? Jfl.

 

[Fluoxymesterone]

Your post reads more like agitprop than mine buddy

I am not a native english speaker if that is what you mean. Also don't take any of this as a personal attack, even if the argument becomes heated

 

[Emba]

Los Vegans need to be executed

They should have stayed in Vegas!

 

[Fluoxymesterone]

JFL your argument presupposes that your average meat eater isn't deficient in retinol and dha, that's the biggest logical leap of faith that you're presuming here.

You can get creatine from legumes and tofu and vitamin a is just retarded point because it's abundant in tons of stuff like carrots and sweet potatoes. DHA you can just eat flaxseeds, walnuts or take supplements for that. You should've listed vitamin b12 or zinc because you are seldom to find that in plant diet. And I needn't mention how people are deficient in vitamin a, the b vitamins, vitamin c, and lack fiber in their diet and don't get enough antioxidants despite it being plentiful in plants.

And much more.

I didn't mention b12 and the other stuff because the argument was made and you fully understood what i said. Thats why i said much more. Also, you say sou qre not malnourished and then you admit that some nutrients can only be found in animal products? Thats a paradox in in itself. The natural way to eat is what we are adapted to. We should eat like our ancestors. But if you want to eat less like high T mongol steppe warriors and more like the modern indian you need to reevaluate.

 

[Zetta]

"Vegetarian and vegan-friendly foods with creatine include tofu and whole grains. However, these options only contain trace amounts compared to animal products. For example, 100 grams of tofu only contains 0.01 grams of creatine"

I don't know the veracity of this if it's true or not. I've read elsewhere that it's more like 0.3 grams per half cup. But I do know that the amino acids that you get from your diet get synthesized into creatine which explains why I'm not deficient. So I guess I'll reject the notion that you necessarily need an abundance of diet-derived creatine. At the end of the day what weightlifter is getting all their creatine from meat alone if it's so readily abundant?

The body's liver, pancreas and kidneys also can make about 1 gram of creatine per day. (which is the amount you need per day)

I benchpressed 200lbs the first time as a framecel after 6 weeks gym at 16. Not a flex.

I wasn't flexing, It was a counter argument to disabuse the notion that I'm malnourished, barely clinging onto life and at deaths door. Your average sedentary person can't even probably bench 75 pounds and I am that: average and broadly sedentary. You see how the goal post moves?

"Preformed vitamin A (retinol) comes only from animal fats that contain active vitamin A—such as liver, eggs, buttercream or cod liver oil—whereas carrots contain beta carotene, a provitamin A that is bioconverted to vitamin A"

OK, so I convert the beta carotene into retinol how is this an counter argument?

 

[Lonelyus]

Well aslong as its not my cat im fine i guess

 

[Choler]

Would you?

no

 

[Choler]

animals are scum

 

[TheProphetMuscle]

I think fish is pretty healthy if it’s wild caught. And I don’t think it’s as morally wrong as killing a much more intelligent animal like a pig. I noticed a lot of people who were vegan for years decided to stop because it wasn’t working for them. Probably depends on who you are. I would definitely stop eating mainstream agriculture meat because it’s really gross the way it’s raised. But I feel good about eating wild caught seafood

 

[CRYSTAL METH]

I agree. It's ok to eat meat, but only as long as you don't overconsume it way too much.

The less complex the animal, the better for you and your wellbeign. Chicken is my absolute favourite one.

 

[Zetta]

I didn't mention b12 and the other stuff because the argument was made and you fully understood what i said. Thats why i said much more.

I'd be malnourished and famished from b12 deficiency because we live in a modern world where we don't get b12 from fucking bacteria in the water and in lieu take supplements for it. Animals need to be fed b12 so in a roundabout way you are taking b12 supplements too. Because animals don't produce them on their own.

Also, you say sou qre not malnourished and then you admit that some nutrients can only be found in animal products?

No I didn't admit that some nutrients can only be found in animal products, it's that there are nutrients that are more abundant in animal products which you can allocate for by selectively choosing foods.

The natural way to eat is what we are adapted to. We should eat like our ancestors. But if you want to eat less like high T mongol steppe warriors and more like the modern indian you need to reevaluate.

Yeah but we're not like our ancestors when it comes to our lifestyle and caloric needs

 

[Zetta]

fuck this gay nigger shit I'm not being a cheerleader for plant diets, I'm done

 

[Zetta]

I'd be malnourished and famished from b12 deficiency because we live in a modern world where we don't get b12 from fucking bacteria in the water and in lieu take supplements for it. Animals need to be fed b12 so in a roundabout way you are taking b12 supplements too. Because animals don't produce them on their own.

Also this logically extends to the DHA shit too the fish you eat don't get their DHA on their own, they get it from algae, so it's just another round about way of supplementation.

 

[Fluoxymesterone]

I'd be malnourished and famished from b12 deficiency because we live in a modern world where we don't get b12 from fucking bacteria in the water and in lieu take supplements for it. Animals need to be fed b12 so in a roundabout way you are taking b12 supplements too. Because animals don't produce them on their own.

No I didn't admit that some nutrients can only be found in animal products, it's that there are nutrients that are more abundant in animal products which you can allocate for by selectively choosing foods.

Yeah but we're not like our ancestors when it comes to our lifestyle and caloric needs

Sour arguments are not making sense. Let me elaborate: first off, a blood test saying you are not deficient means NOTHING. If i get my T checked as an 18 year old and i get 300ng they will tell me i am not deficient. Post your blood tests if they are even real with a paper with your .is username and we could analyze it. Also you straight up responded to one of my arguments that i copy pasted with "i don't know if it is true". Oh and your trace amounts of creatine are not enough. And we are not like our ancestors when it comes to caloric needs is, again, just wrong. You need about the same amount of calories and nutrients if you are active. To get the same amount of retinol from carrots that you would get from about 90g of beef liver you would need over 1kg of carrots. If you don't eat the natural way but instead create your own diet you will 100% be deficient in some minerals, amino acids or vitamins. Or even macronutrients since animal based protein is unmatched. Veganism is a good way to create incels and downgrade your genes. Even facial development suffers due to a lack of chewing. Arginine? L-carnitine? Vitamin k2? You can get most stuff from animals but sou will never reach the same level of nutritional value. Name one population that thrived on a vegan diet. Or vegetatian. Steppe warrios>modern day indians

 

[Fluoxymesterone]

fuck this gay nigger shit I'm not being a cheerleader for plant diets, I'm done

Yea mate i was arguing out of boredom, sorry if was obnoxious with my autism here. It's midnight i will sleep now, take care.

 

[Corvus]

Dogs are treated even better than children. Disgusting creatures. People let fucking dogs sleep in their beds. Normoids are foul scum.

Me too.

That's why it's such a shame that there is no substitute for meat.

Exactly

 

[glutty]

It's retarded and will make you very unhealthy.

 

[based_meme]

I don't like the fact that we eat animals. It's cruel. It's natural, but nature itself is cruel.

Nature isn't cruel. Nature isn't nice either. Nature just is the way it is. You and I superimpose kindness/compassion and cruelty onto it with our higher consciousness and reasoning ability.

If we had lab grown meat that was proven to be the same as organic meat I would eat that and advocate for the ban of organic meat. Would you?

No, I probably wouldn't. Though, I understand that it would obviously reduce the net suffering in the world.