Discussion What do you call non-virgin incels?

[lennox]

He's a low T semi-autist. Being autistic is not voluntary.

As he was found attractive enough to get sex with a girl, there should be one who doesn't care about his autism. Looks matter more than neurotypicality, and pretty much everything else. Being a low T semi-autist he may have a low to no sex drive, but avoiding sex would be his choice

 

[ElTruecel]

thats not what an incel means. incel means no sex for life without choosing so. not sure why thats on the wiki

Edit it out

 

[Multicell]

non-virgin incel is an oxymoron.(Unless they paid for it)

Let's take that logic to the extreme: Had sex at 18 with a drunk 1/10 after the graduation party. Now he's 50, 1/10 himself and never had sex since. Not an incel, absolute normie fakecel.

Lets make it more extreme: A 1/10 was very drunk himself and paid a drunk 1/10 FOID after graduation party. he can't remember the feeling because he was to drunk to remember anything, but he has the video of him and the FOID, seeing her not liking the 10 seconds. Not remembering the shitshow but his knowledge that he did it, without the FOID enjoying it, makes him a a even more true sadcel. Not fake i think. Seeing on video that the horrible 10 seconds had cost him a fortune.... this is nothing, can be worse: There is no exit.

 

[Squatting Slavcel]

Lets make it more extreme: A 1/10 was very drunk himself and paid a drunk 1/10 FOID after graduation party. he can't remember the feeling because he was to drunk to remember anything, but he has the video of him and the FOID, seeing her not liking the 10 seconds. Not remembering the shitshow but his knowledge that he did it, without the FOID enjoying it, makes him a a even more true sadcel. Not fake i think. Seeing on video that the horrible 10 seconds had cost him a fortune.... this is nothing, can be worse : - )

Lol, still a fakecel according to many here.

 

[dirlewanger88]

Ultra fakecels

 

[Incline]

Let's take that logic to the extreme: Had sex at 18 with a drunk 1/10 after the graduation party. Now he's 50, 1/10 himself and never had sex since. Not an incel, absolute normie fakecel.

Yes you are correct, he is not an Incel.

His life might be of incel quality, and we can sympathize but he isn't an incel.

 

[Multicell]

Lol, still a fakecel according to many here.

... the 1/10 ugly woman found him 20 years later, still angry about the video the drunk normies had posted on the internet, and slit his nose off with a knife, then stabbed his vocal cords, making his voice squeaky, reducing him to a -5/10. Still an....

ULTRA fakecel.

right

JFL, peace to all

 

[Multicell]

Yes you are correct, he is not an Incel.

His life might be of incel quality, and we can sympathize but he isn't an incel.

What's your complete definition of 'incel'? With true respect, I just want to understand because I thought exceptions were possible. I want to learn. My Autism….

 

[Incline]

What's your complete definition of 'incel'? With true respect, I just want to understand because I thought exceptions were possible. I want to learn. My Autism….

Involuntary celibate, it's literally in the name nigga.

If you ever had sex with a woman out of attraction then you are not involuntary celibate. It doesn't matter if it happened 1 billion years ago or yesterday. It's a one and done thing, just like virginity, you are either virgin or you are not, it is the same with being an incel.

The exceptions are whores, because they are not doing it out of attraction to you but because you paid them.

 

[Pajeetsingh]

What's your complete definition of 'incel

A man that desires romantic relationship but is unable to have one. He can pay for sex and still remain incel, but if he engages in any non paid sexual act with a foid, he doesn't belong here.

 

[NeverEvenBegan]

An incel is an ugly man who can't get a girlfriend because he's ugly.

If an incel loses his virginity to an escort, he's an escortcel.

If an incel loses his virginity to a non-escort, he's a fakecel. It doesn't matter if it was 'a long time ago'.

 

[Multicell]

Involuntary celibate, it's literally in the name nigga.

If you ever had sex with a woman out of attraction then you are not involuntary celibate. It doesn't matter if it happened 1 billion years ago or yesterday. It's a one and done thing, just like virginity, you are either virgin or you are not, it is the same with being an incel.

The exceptions are whores, because they are not doing it out of attraction to you but because you paid them.

clear. thanks, also to the others.

If you had it once and never can have it again, and the girl was drunk and didn't do it out of attraction but because she didn't know what she was doing, and you get to -5 afterwards... still fake. Now I know the word. My comprehension worked strange, I undertood the word differently, besides being incel that's another problem, not for here..... And thats why definitions help. Thanks for explaining.

 

[zerozerozero]

i call them normies, because thats exactly what they are. it is very common for normie males to go literally years at a time with no sex.

 

[anon]

normalfags

 

[Pajeetsingh]

If you had it once and never can have it again, and the girl was drunk and didn't do it out of attraction but because she didn't know what she was doing, and you get to -5 afterwards

It doesn't matter, if she whored herself out to you, or didn't took payments from you in exchange for sex, then you're not incel even if you look like the elephant man.

 

[Multicell]

i call them normies, because thats exactly what they are. it is very common for normie males to go literally years at a time with no sex.

If the girl wanted it once, he was a normie. I knew that. Once a normie always a normie. I didn't know that. From my old understanding, normies could change to incel, rare but possible, now I know that's not the definition. The exceptions with drunk people etc made it unclear for me.
With your definition it gets simple : - ) simple is good.

 

[Multicell]

It doesn't matter, if she whored herself out to you, or took payments from you in exchange for sex, then you're not incel even if you look like the elephant man.

YES

Its a spectrum of fake, some are more fake then others, mental note to remember: all fake.

 

[Med Amine]

rapists

 

[Squatting Slavcel]

Involuntary celibate, it's literally in the name nigga.

If you ever had sex with a woman out of attraction then you are not involuntary celibate. It doesn't matter if it happened 1 billion years ago or yesterday. It's a one and done thing, just like virginity, you are either virgin or you are not, it is the same with being an incel.

The exceptions are whores, because they are not doing it out of attraction to you but because you paid them.

It's literally in the name nigga.

Celibate: "a person who abstains from sexual relations" "abstaining from sexual intercourse" "not having sex"
If a man didn't have sex between 20-30 despite wanting to, he's involuntarily celibate. This "he must be an ugly virgin too!" addendum from gatekeepers is not necessary.

 

[Incline]

It's literally in the name nigga.

Celibate: "a person who abstains from sexual relations" "abstaining from sexual intercourse" "not having sex"
If a man didn't have sex between 20-30 despite wanting to, he's involuntarily celibate. This "he must be an ugly virgin too!" addendum from gatekeepers is not necessary.

Involuntary Celibate.

If he is good looking then he is not involuntary celibate. That is called volcel and although they are tolerated I certainly would permaban them if it was up to me.

You could be a 10/10 giga chad but if you sit in a basement all day what do you expect to happen JFL, fucking delusional and this same people then try to extend their problems and equal them to my life it's a fucking joke and it enrages me that they dare compare themselves to people like me who are actually fucking ugly.

 

[Multicell]

rapists

SHARP

If two drunk people don't know what they are doing because of the alcohol and don't say no at the time, but afterward one can't remember and the other doesn't agree with it, then yes, they both raped each other according to current definitions. Baaaad. A long time ago, if there wasn't a no, it was a grey area. Today, a normie needs a written contract saying it's consensual. We don't have those problems. Lucky us.

 

[Nagger]

Realistically most non virgin incels are probably fakecels that hit a "dry period", however there are some other possibilities:
1) Escortmaxxer
2) Man that got divorce-rape
3) Person that got a crippling disease / was in an accident
4) Drug addict

 

[Nagger]

I understand your point, but it doesn't seem logical to label someone an incel just because they haven't had sex for 10 years. If we set a standard of 10 years, where do we draw the line? Do we consider someone an incel after 9, 8, 7, 6, or even 5 years without sex? It's important to consider the broader context and not jump to conclusions based on a specific timeframe.

This too. the six month rule is pretty retarded and subjective. The only definitive way that we can 100% be sure of that someone is an incel is the fact that they are still virgins.

 

[Squatting Slavcel]

Involuntary Celibate.

If he is good looking then he is not involuntary celibate. That is called volcel and although they are tolerated I certainly would permaban them if it was up to me.

You could be a 10/10 giga chad but if you sit in a basement all day what do you expect to happen JFL, fucking delusional and this same people then try to extend their problems and equal them to my life it's a fucking joke and it enrages me that they dare compare themselves to people like me who are actually fucking ugly.

We've established that even a 1/10 having sex once with a 1/10 is not an incel, so a fictional giga chad volcel is irrelevant. Also, I know 5 wizards IRL with normie faces and average height, you think are they all volcels with unrealistic standards aiming to be 40 year old virgins?

 

[Multicell]

Somebody who had a gf 10 years ago could NEVER relate to someone who is a permavirgin.

THEORY: If a persons was incel 30 years, then a one time short experience, then 10 years FAKECELL so nothing for 10 more years....
he maybe can remember how the first 30 years felt, and relate not as strong, but still very very very good for EVER.
because the first 30 years are IMPRINTED ?

 

[Squatting Slavcel]

Realistically most non virgin incels are probably fakecels that hit a "dry period", however there are some other possibilities:
1) Escortmaxxer
2) Man that got divorce-rape
3) Person that got a crippling disease / was in an accident
4) Drug addict

5) Literally "got lucky" in a ONS
6) Had one relationship then no woman was ever interested in them again
7) Had one or more relationships which never reached the 4th base.

One of my friends is #7, devout catholic, kissing in high school was the furthest he went, now a wizard with no prospects.

 

[Incline]

We've established that even a 1/10 having sex once with a 1/10 is not an incel, so a fictional giga chad volcel is irrelevant. Also, I know 5 wizards IRL with normie faces and average height, you think are they all volcels with unrealistic standards aiming to be 40 year old virgins?

Yes.

I think they are volcels if they do nothing to better their lives. Blackpill does not glorify rotting and inaction, Blackpill isn't a defeatist ideology, that is a common misconception. Being an incel generally means you will have a shitty life, I don't know many incels who enjoy their life, that doesn't mean that not being an incel you can't have shitty life either though, a 1/10 dude that got lucky and fucked a girl will probably have a more miserable life than an average incel, but he isn't one himself, that's the point of sorting people into groups though, we sort them by labels.

You are supposed to use Blackpill to better navigate your life and solve your problems not just rot away, at that point you might as well kill yourself, that is the natural conclusion to reach. That is why I have a clock in my house which I posted pictures here before which counts down to my 30th birthday in a year, I am killing myself If I am still virgin by then. I can be failed by the world which I have been, but failing myself is unacceptable, I will not tolerate it any longer.

If I had normie looks I wouldn't be here. They can do a lot depending on their race, the most obvious is to just fucking go to some shithole country and try there which is what I am going to do. I know a high-tier normie volcel virgin, he is 29, pushing 30, he is also a massive altfag who is 'white stacey' only even though he had mixed race women at work talking to him etc, but because he is racist and hates mixed race babies and shit he is still a virgin.

Your other wizard friends are probably in some way similar, they have things they won't do, they have standards they won't cross. Having standards isn't really a volcel behavior per say, we all have some standards, we all have some lows we won't go to, but like come on man if you won't fuck a girl because of her race or because of her socioeconomic background like come on dude...

It's a complex topic because there is no quantifiable way to objectively state who is volcel and who isn't. You have to judge it case by case for the most part, but I do feel you can reach some reasonable standard that you can apply to most people.

 

[Nagger]

now a wizard with no prospects

Pretty common nowadays. Probably all of us are going to end up this way.

 

[Multicell]

I am confused by the range of definitions. So many definitions here on this page seem to differ from "the wiki" definitions.

Incel

Incel, short for involuntary celibacy, is a sociological term and adverse life circumstance. The term describes individuals who can not engage in romantic or sexual...

incels.wiki

Volcel

A volcel is someone who is voluntarily celibate. Being volcel means you choose via volition to live a romanceless, dateless and sexless lifestyle. It is the opposite...

incels.wiki

Fakecel

A fakecel is someone who pretends to be, sees themselves as, or just likes hanging out with or defending incels, despite having had sexual relationships in the past...

incels.wiki

AS a newbie: question:

Am I correct that here on this forum we are supposed to use different definitions than on the wiki?
Thats ok, and good to know.

 

[Wolnir]

I know a guy in his mid 30s who hasn't been laid in a decade. He's sub 5 though so I wouldn't call him a fakecel.

 

[Squatting Slavcel]

Yes.

I think they are volcels if they do nothing to better their lives. Blackpill does not glorify rotting and inaction, Blackpill isn't a defeatist ideology, that is a common misconception. Being an incel generally means you will have a shitty life, I don't know many incels who enjoy their life, that doesn't mean that not being an incel you can't have shitty life either though, a 1/10 dude that got lucky and fucked a girl will probably have a more miserable life than an average incel, but he isn't one himself, that's the point of sorting people into groups though, we sort them by labels.

You are supposed to use Blackpill to better navigate your life and solve your problems not just rot away, at that point you might as well kill yourself, that is the natural conclusion to reach. That is why I have a clock in my house which I posted pictures here before which counts down to my 30th birthday in a year, I am killing myself If I am still virgin by then. I can be failed by the world which I have been, but failing myself is unacceptable, I will not tolerate it any longer.

If I had normie looks I wouldn't be here. They can do a lot depending on their race, the most obvious is to just fucking go to some shithole country and try there which is what I am going to do. I know a high-tier normie volcel virgin, he is 29, pushing 30, he is also a massive altfag who is 'white stacey' only even though he had mixed race women at work talking to him etc, but because he is racist and hates mixed race babies and shit he is still a virgin.

Your other wizard friends are probably in some way similar, they have things they won't do, they have standards they won't cross. Having standards isn't really a volcel behavior per say, we all have some standards, we all have some lows we won't go to, but like come on man if you won't fuck a girl because of her race or because of her socioeconomic background like come on dude...

It's a complex topic because there is no quantifiable way to objectively state who is volcel and who isn't. You have to judge it case by case for the most part, but I do feel you can reach some reasonable standard that you can apply to most people.

They have normal lives and jobs, just no gf. Blackpill says that if you're a sub 5, it's over, cope or rope. Redpill says you should looksmaxx and learn the game. Bluepill says just be yourself and there's someone for everyone. If my friends really wanted, they could probably find 3/10 single mom roasties in their mid 30s within 2 years, but the effort is not worth the "reward" so they're "volcel" wizards instead. I couldn't even find a roastie because I'm a neet who can't betabuxx. Also, I'm a turbo racist but I'd smash non-white foids, nobody says I have to have kids with them.

 

[Squatting Slavcel]

I am confused by the range of definitions. So many definitions here on this page seem to differ from "the wiki" definitions.

Incel

Incel, short for involuntary celibacy, is a sociological term and adverse life circumstance. The term describes individuals who can not engage in romantic or sexual...

incels.wiki

Volcel

A volcel is someone who is voluntarily celibate. Being volcel means you choose via volition to live a romanceless, dateless and sexless lifestyle. It is the opposite...

incels.wiki

Fakecel

A fakecel is someone who pretends to be, sees themselves as, or just likes hanging out with or defending incels, despite having had sexual relationships in the past...

incels.wiki

AS a newbie: question:

Am I correct that here on this forum we are supposed to use different definitions than on the wiki?
Thats ok, and good to know.

Basically truecels are mad that not everyone here is a 1/10 khhv so there are different categories of cels.

 

[Incline]

Basically truecels are mad that not everyone here is a 1/10 khhv so there are different categories of cels.

It's just my personal opinion on volcels, they are allowed on the Forum from what I know. Anyway the only qualifying factor here is being an incel and that is pretty straightforward unlike everything else we discussed. Though good looking people got permabanned in the past as well so being not higher than normie is probably another qualifying factor too.

Ever had unpaid sex with a woman = not Incel

 

[Med Amine]

SHARP

If two drunk people don't know what they are doing because of the alcohol and don't say no at the time, but afterward one can't remember and the other doesn't agree with it, then yes, they both raped each other according to current definitions. Baaaad. A long time ago, if there wasn't a no, it was a grey area. Today, a normie needs a written contract saying it's consensual. We don't have those problems. Lucky us.

ok ChatGpt

 

[Med Amine]

Basically truecels are mad that not everyone here is a 1/10 khhv so there are different categories of cels.

that an actual ChatGpt bot
i remember his older accounts with same icon
he's made to gather info

 

[Squatting Slavcel]

It's just my personal opinion on volcels, they are allowed on the Forum from what I know. Anyway the only qualifying factor here is being an incel and that is pretty straightforward unlike everything else we discussed. Though good looking people got permabanned in the past as well so being not higher than normie is probably another qualifying factor too.

Ever had unpaid sex with a woman = not Incel

When you're 29 and finally have sex in Pattaya, you'll be like "Is this what I've been chasing all my life? I coulda just stayed home and watched porn instead instead of wasting thousands of $, time and effort". Just wait for AI GF sexbots, should be here by 2030.

 

[Incline]

When you're 29 and finally have sex in Pattaya, you'll be like "Is this what I've been chasing all my life? I coulda just stayed home and watched porn instead instead of wasting thousands of $, time and effort". Just wait for AI GF sexbots, should be here by 2030.

I need to unfuck my mind. This is the only way I know how.

Being a virgin does things to you... It's literally our biological hard-wired goal to have sex.

 

[Multicell]

I need to unfuck my mind. This is the only way I know how.
Being a virgin does things to you... It's literally our biological hard-wired goal to have sex.

I relate to that, but I am to scared to try. If I would ever dare, why so far away ?

 

[Pajeetsingh]

It's literally in the name nigga.

Celibate: "a person who abstains from sexual relations" "abstaining from sexual intercourse" "not having sex"
If a man didn't have sex between 20-30 despite wanting to, he's involuntarily celibate. This "he must be an ugly virgin too!" addendum from gatekeepers is not necessary.

Lol 20-30 is a meaningless range, one has to never have unpaid sex to be considered an incel, also why are you so defensive about this? Are you a FAKECEL that ascended long ago but is now having a dry spell?

 

[Pajeetsingh]

from gatekeepers is not necessary

Gatekeeping is the best thing about this forum, we don't need faggots that have had sex with foids(without paying) here.

 

[Pajeetsingh]

I am confused by the range of definitions. So many definitions here on this page seem to differ from "the wiki" definitions.

Incel

Incel, short for involuntary celibacy, is a sociological term and adverse life circumstance. The term describes individuals who can not engage in romantic or sexual...

incels.wiki

Volcel

A volcel is someone who is voluntarily celibate. Being volcel means you choose via volition to live a romanceless, dateless and sexless lifestyle. It is the opposite...

incels.wiki

Fakecel

A fakecel is someone who pretends to be, sees themselves as, or just likes hanging out with or defending incels, despite having had sexual relationships in the past...

incels.wiki

AS a newbie: question:

Am I correct that here on this forum we are supposed to use different definitions than on the wiki?
Thats ok, and good to know.

Wiki is outdated, all editors have left.
Look at the rules and faq section for the most accurate definition.

 

[Pajeetsingh]

I know a guy in his mid 30s who hasn't been laid in a decade. He's sub 5 though so I wouldn't call him a fakecel.

He got laid, he ain't incel, case closed. If he signs up here then he is a FAKECEL faggot.

 

[Wolnir]

He got laid, he ain't incel, case closed. If he signs up here then he is a FAKECEL faggot.

Probably more of a failed normie, I don't know how he looked in his 20s.

 

[Multicell]

Wiki is outdated, all editors have left.
Look at the rules and faq section for the most accurate definition.

OK,Thanks! I didn't know its outdated. New here and I saw the link above the page here and assumed it is still a reference.
Thanks for letting me know. I like it though, the material is still interesting. And anyhow:
I Will use the wordings as used here.

 

[Squatting Slavcel]

Lol 20-30 is a meaningless range, one has to never have unpaid sex to be considered an incel, also why are you so defensive about this? Are you a FAKECEL that ascended long ago but is now having a dry spell?

20-30 is the peak sex-having period, 80% of our ancestors were married with kids at that age. I'm defensive about it because 1. I'm a rational person and I don't like irrational definitions and 2. I don't see the logic in gatekeeping the forum from sub5 men who share our misery. Someone not having sex for 10 years despite wanting to definitely shares our misery.

If there was a forum about starving, what difference is there between not eating anything for a month, and eating a quarter of an apple once? You'd say to the apple-eater that he doesn't know what starving is and that he's a fake starver? Ok Pajeet.

 

[Pajeetsingh]

sub5 men who share our misery. Someone not having sex for 10 years despite wanting to definitely shares our misery.

No, if they had sex they are not welcome here. We need gatekeeping to keep this place from falling apart and turning into a normgroid misery dumping forum.

 

[Pajeetsingh]

I'm a rational person

There's nothing rational about coming to an incel forum and asking for sexhavers to be allowed.

 

[Pajeetsingh]

If there was a forum about starving, what difference is there between not eating anything for a month, and eating a quarter of an apple once

Nonsensical analogy.

 

[Multicell]

There's nothing rational about coming to an incel forum and asking for sexhavers to be allowed.

Its up to the owners what the rules are, i never had any experience but I believe that a 40 year incel that has once a 10 seconds experience + 10 year more ...cel could relate with me how his first 40 years years were and how his next 10 years felt. He surely remembers his first 40 years. Why not accept him if he again is ...cel for 10 years allready. Where else could they go?

 

[LeFrenchCel]

Its up to the owners what the rules are, i never had any experience but I believe that a 40 year incel that has once a 10 seconds experience + 10 year more ...cel could relate with me how his first 40 years years were and how his next 10 years felt. He surely remembers his first 40 years. Why not accept him if he again is ...cel for 10 years allready. Where else could they go?

Failed normies aren't allowed here