Theory What do incels think of the Ladder Theory?

[NT Master]

Back in the 1990s, this ladder theory idea was very popular in certain male circles. The TL;DR version is that straight men only have one "ladder" for women and that is women I do or don't want to fuck. Women on the other hand have two "ladders": guys she wants to have sex with and guys she "just want to be friends with". A lot of men unknowingly climb the friendzone ladder and end up in an awkward abyss if they try and upgrade the relationship and "jump ladders".

I want to know what the redpill or blackpill on the ladder theory is. The ladder theory was the first internet-based idea that dealt with romantic relationships and it predates the redpill and modern PUA/manosphere stuff by over a decade. That said, I don't think the Ladder Theory is really relevant to incels since a lot of you don't even interact with foids enough to get friendzoned or even leave the house for that matter.

 

[Reclusemaxxer]

It’s over

 

[Jmax]

There is no ladder. Foids decide whether or not they'll have sex with a potential mate in 6 seconds.

 

[Postmaxxercel50k]

There is no ladder. Foids decide whether or not they'll have sex with a potential mate in 6 seconds.

 

[PLA1092]

Sure, but I've never had any foid friends or anything like that.

 

[UnluckyCell]

There is no ladder. Foids decide whether or not they'll have sex with a potential mate in 6 seconds.

 

[Zer0/∞]

Sure, but I've never had any foid friends or anything like that.

Trucels don’t have friends.

 

[PLA1092]

Trucels don’t have friends.

I had periods during which I indeed didn't, though I'm not autistic or anything like that.

 

[GoldenEmperor]

There is no ladder. Foids decide whether or not they'll have sex with a potential mate in 6 seconds.

 

[Ehwhatever]

It's outdated for one. I mean, we live in a time where more women are employed than men. Women make as much as men do in their respective fields, and their more likely to have a job in the first place.

Given that fact alone, looks are far more important than money now. I'd say, given what we know from pretty much every source, that physical attraction is more like 80%, money is 15%, and other is 5%. You'd have to be millionaire or dumpster diving in a 3rd world country to make up for no attraction.

 

[Zer0/∞]

Trucels don’t have female friends you fucking failed normie retard.

 

[BaffleTrot]

Ladder Theory was a pretty good take at the time. It was trying to reconcile bluepilled assumptions with observable reality, but it was still trying to operate within a bluepilled framework. It fell by the wayside because it turns out that you don't need a second ladder to explain anything, you just need to acknowledge that foids don't really want to fuck ugly men and there it all is. You could argue that the two ladders are for 7+ men and <7 men, but that's pretty unnecessary when it pretty much works like the male ladder anyways.

On the whole, I respect the attempt. At the time the big argument was about whether or not "the friendzone" was even a thing, and Ladder Theory was one of the better attempts at trying to intellectualize the dating experience of so many young men. It isn't relevant anymore, though. Better options with better predictability have replaced it.