What do Incels score on the Moral Foundations Test?

[Ronaldo_]

Seeing that this forum consists largely of and people who generally hold more disdain towards society than most, it has made me curious to see where you guys are morally speaking.

You can the test here: https://moralfoundations.github.io/

"Moral Foundations Theory, developed by psychologists Jonathan Haidt, Jesse Graham, and Craig Joseph, suggests that there are psychological foundations underlying human morality that are innate and universal to every civilization across history. According to the theory, people's moral judgments are based on six primary foundations: Care, Fairness, Liberty, In-Group Loyalty, Purity, and Authority/Order. These foundations represent evolved mechanisms that have helped humans navigate social interactions. Individuals, ideologies, and cultures each prioritize these foundations differently, leading to variations in moral values and beliefs. For the aforementioned reasons, Haidt's theory does not recognize any set of moral beliefs as being objectively correct or inherently superior. In this morality test, you will be presented with a statement, and then will answer with your opinion on the statement from a range of Strongly Agree to Strongly Disagree, with each answer slightly effecting your scores. Your final scores will be shown as a percentage for each foundation, along with an explanation of each foundation's broader meaning down below.

Obviously the results of this test shouldn't be taken that seriously, and probably shouldn't be taken if you are some fag who is scared of datamining either, but all that being said I'm interested to see where the rest of you end up.

These are my results, for reference:

 

[supersoldier]

Men and women should have equal access to the same opportunities.

all of their talk about equality doesn't mean shit, in reality men work on harder jobs, work more hours, die earlier and get divorce raped a lot.

 

[xkcdCleftcel]

will the results be published in your sudy?

 

[SupremeGentleCel]

will the results be published in your sudy?

You assume he´s on .is for a school project?

 

[Grotesque Deformity]

Trucel results tbh

 

[Ronaldo_]

will the results be published in your sudy?

only if you ask nicely

 

[SupremeGentleCel]

Sorry, not gonna click that link so u can trace my IP

 

[xkcdCleftcel]

You assume he´s on .is for a school project?

*University thesis

 

[gymletethnicel]

 

[gymletethnicel]

Sorry, not gonna click that link so u can trace my IP

I use a proxy so dont care

 

[gymletethnicel]

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@based_meme Thoughts? Seems extremely accurate.

I'm always for justice and what is fair, while I don't give a shit about in-group monkey behaviour.

 

[Bianor]

 

[Ronaldo_]

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Trucel results tbh

Tankie or Natsoc?

 

[Grotesque Deformity]

Tankie or Natsoc?

Both at the same time.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

Don't think this test captures much, Haidt's whole frame work seems unfit for predicting behavior and I don't believe that he understood the ideological conflicts playing out right now at their core. To give an example, the people on the left, which he claims don't value "Purity" in the religious sense highly, are more puritanical than anyone when it comes to things like racism or other -isms. They very much accept authoritarian measures, as long as they agree with the goals. If you define "Authority" as a bunch of right-wing believes, then of course you end up with right-leaning people testing higher in those values.

 

[Ronaldo_]

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Don't think this test captures much, Haidt's whole frame work seems unfit for predicting behavior and I don't believe that he understood the ideological conflicts playing out right now at their core. To give an example, the people on the left, which he claims don't value "Purity" in the religious sense highly, are more puritanical than anyone when it comes to things like racism or other -isms. They very much accept authoritarian measures, as long as they agree with the goals. If you define "Authority" as a bunch of right-wing believes, then of course you end up with right-leaning people testing higher in those values.

I agree with the authoritarian thing but wouldn't racisms fall more under care than anythign else?

 

[kay']

Dnr and avi suifuel

 

[LeFrenchCel]

Care 69
Fairness 79
Liberty 54
In-group 56
Purity 69
Authority 56

 

[based_meme]

@based_meme Thoughts? Seems extremely accurate.

I'm always for justice and what is fair, while I don't give a shit about in-group monkey behaviour.

I will do this and post the results tomorrow.

 

[Evangelioncel]

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Trucel results tbh

Yours is similar to mine

 

[gymletethnicel]

I will do this and post the results tomorrow.

Seems I still scored the highest on fairness and lowest on in-group & authority. Interested in seeing your results.

 

[Dusk]

Not kidding I guess I have the same beliefs as @Evangelioncel

 

[gymletethnicel]

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Don't think this test captures much, Haidt's whole frame work seems unfit for predicting behavior and I don't believe that he understood the ideological conflicts playing out right now at their core. To give an example, the people on the left, which he claims don't value "Purity" in the religious sense highly, are more puritanical than anyone when it comes to things like racism or other -isms. They very much accept authoritarian measures, as long as they agree with the goals. If you define "Authority" as a bunch of right-wing believes, then of course you end up with right-leaning people testing higher in those values.

I think the test is fairly accurate, as my results are really accurate. Because I scored extremely low on authority and in-group, I associate with no group (religion, race or nation) & dislike fascism and right-wing extremism. While the concepts of fairness and justice are an integral part of my moral compass, which is why I scored high on that. Your politics are often a reflection of your moral compass too.

 

[Evangelioncel]

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Not kidding I guess I have the same beliefs as @Evangelioncel

Are you Christian or religious? That's what influenced most of my score. Authoritharian is just because I have little faith in the members of this soyciety.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

I agree with the authoritarian thing but wouldn't racisms fall more under care than anythign else?

If you believe they are primarily motivated by care instead of a semi-religious drive to punish the sinner. To me the answer is obvious. Lots of the time anti-racist ideas harm blacks, feminist ideas (in a way) sometimes harm women, pro-trans fervor sometimes harms the people struggling with their own sexuality.

If care for others was the underlying drive, there would be a strong interest in these cases, while in reality they are ignored completely.

To give some concrete examples:
Look at car accidents and related fatalities in big cities amongst blacks. After George Floid died cops reduced the frequency of random roadside controls and police patrols. You can see a noticeable spike in car crashes in that time frame. Same with homicides.

The issue that supposedly caused the whole insanity, police violence, kills around 10-20 unarmed blacks every year. Over the course of millions of police interactions.

The whole "black lives matter!" BS killed tons of blacks, in more ways than just this one, but no one cares because the primary thing being optimized for is "making yourself look good", "making yourself feel good" and "exercising power over others" by being anti-racist / anti-police.


Are "micro-aggressions" in universities a sign of too much care, or the result of a mixture of neuroticism, status-seeking and power hunger running rampant?

"Care" is leftist PR, if they are mostly motivated by how much they care then Google's prime objective is to not be evil and Coca Cola just wants to make everyone happy.

Action speak louder than words, because words are cheap signals, so when someone says one thing but does something else, ignore the words. Even incompetence is more often than not simply an excuse, a fail-safe that you deploy when you get caught doing something bad to avoid some of the responsibility. These insane leftist are amongst the highest IQ political groups, many of them must know and simply don't care about the harm they are doing.

 

[Dusk]

Are you Christian or religious? That's what influenced most of my score. Authoritharian is just because I have little faith in the members of this soyciety.

I'm an atheist but I think society requires some kind of hard spiritual/moral standards otherwise morals degenerate (like we are seeing right now in modern society) and that makes everyone unhappy.

 

[Evangelioncel]

I'm an atheist but I think society requires some kind of hard spiritual/moral standards otherwise morals degenerate (like we are seeing right now in modern society) and that makes everyone unhappy.

Agreed tbh

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

I think the test is fairly accurate, as my results are really accurate. Because I scored extremely low on authority and in-group, I associate with no group (religion, race or nation) & dislike fascism and right-wing extremism. While the concepts of fairness and justice are an integral part of my moral compass, which is why I scored high on that. Your politics are often a reflection of your moral compass too.

"Do you think authoritarian measures are OK sometimes? Yes!? Turns out you score high in Authority..." <- The part I agree with.

"...and that indicates you are right-leaning!" <- The part I disagree with. I don't think the lines splitting left and right run where Haidt claims they do.

 

[SnakeCel]

I feel like my test is pretty middle of the road except for the purity score. However, I think a good amount of the questions were more nuanced. A lot of my answers would depend on the specific situation I was put in and not on some general principle. It did a good job for such a short quiz though. I just think it could be made more accurate with less complex questions.

For example one of the questions said "41. Democracy, where leadership is determined by public election in which every citizen has a right to vote, is universally preferable to any method of state governance where leadership is appointed from the top down instead." I could only agree or disagree with that. My real answer is that I think that a constitutional monarchy is the best possible system, because it is a hybrid of "top down" leadership and "bottom up" leadership, because the parliament and prime minister are elected offcials, but the monarch is always there and not elected.

 

[Ronaldo_]

I feel like my test is pretty middle of the road except for the purity score. However, I think a good amount of the questions were more nuanced. A lot of my answers would depend on the specific situation I was put in and not on some general principle. It did a good job for such a short quiz though. I just think it could be made more accurate with less complex questions.

For example one of the questions said "41. Democracy, where leadership is determined by public election in which every citizen has a right to vote, is universally preferable to any method of state governance where leadership is appointed from the top down instead." I could only agree or disagree with that. My real answer is that I think that a constitutional monarchy is the best possible system, because it is a hybrid of "top down" leadership and "bottom up" leadership, because the parliament and prime minister are elected offcials, but the monarch is always there and not elected.

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Is constitutional monarchy really that distinguishable from democracy if the monarch is mostly restricted to a figurative role though?

 

[based_meme]

Care: 79
Fairness: 92
Liberty: 79
In-group: 71
Purity: 85
Authority: 73

Explanation:​

The CARE foundation is defined by a desire to minimize the suffering of others and protect the weak.
Those who score highly in it are more likely to value kindness, tolerance, pacifism, mercy, and public welfare.
Ideologically, Care is one of the more commonly held foundations, but happens to be particularly strong among Social Progressives and Cosmpolitans.
Culturally, Western European societies tend to place the greatest emphasis on Care.

The FAIRNESS foundation is defined by a desire for people to be held accountable for their actions in an equal playing field.
Those who score highly in it are more likely to value equality of opportunity, justice, reciprocity, integrity, and honesty.
Ideologically, Fairness is the most omnipresent foundation, with the vast majority of people scoring highly in it, but happens to be particularly strong among Socialists and Left Liberals (Social Democrats).
Culturally, developed societies where most citizens are literate/educated all tend to place a strong emphasis on Fairness.

The LIBERTY foundation is defined by a desire for people to have agency over their lives without outside coercion from a central authority.
Those who score highly in it are more likely to value bodily autonomy, privacy, free speech, voluntarism, and democracy.
Ideologically, Anarchists, Libertarians and Classic Liberals tend to score highest in Liberty.
Culturally, English-speaking societies, namely the United States, tend to place the greatest emphasis on Liberty.

The IN-GROUP LOYALTY foundation is defined by a desire for members of one's "natural" ingroups (such as their family, tribe, or nation) to forego their personal aspirations and sympathies towards external causes in order to benefit the group. Those who score more highly in it are more likely to value self-sacrifice, national sovereignty, natalism, preservation of culture, and patriotism.
Ideologically, Nationalists and Identitarians tend to score highest in In-Group Loyalty.
Culturally, Eastern European societies tend to place the greatest emphasis on In-Group Loyalty.

The PURITY foundation is defined by a desire to uphold a standard of "high society" and avoid behavior that is percieved as contaminating, primitive, degenerate, or spiritually degrading.
Those who score highly in it are more likely to value cleanliness, beauty, etiquette, abstinence, chastity, frugality, and spirituality.
Ideologically, Social Conservatives tend to score highest in Purity.
Culturally, societies with a strong religious prescence such as Romania, Myanmar, Japan, Turkey, and India tend to place the greatest emphasis on Purity.

The AUTHORITY foundation, perhaps more suitably called the "order" foundation, is defined by a desire to achieve stability through a structured social order, and deference to the rules, authorities, and institutions within said order.
Those who score highly in it are more likely to value duty, rule of law, discipline, assertive leadership, and meritocracy.
Ideologically, Social Conservatives tend to score highest on Authority/Order.
Culturally, East Asian societies tend to place the greatest emphasis on Authority/Order.

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