Serious We should adopt alt-right arguing tactics when trying to spread the blackpill

[CyborgIncel]

I just watched the first three videos in this youtube series, but this one is most relevant to what I'm trying to talk about.



Basically, even though the acknowledgement of the blackpill and the number of men recognizing how they're being fucked over is growing at a steady rate, it always seems as if we are losing the debate on the black/blue/redpill issue despite blackpills being consistently confirmed by science and .me consistently getting better at constructing our arguments and presenting facts. The reason why is obvious if you watched the video linked. Cucktears and blackpill-deniers in general are employing the same tactics the alt-right does, while we are stuck playing defense in the arguments, making them look like the winners and us like the losers.

I've noticed the pattern in myself and with other incels when arguing. We explain ourselves, try to defy expectations, use logic and facts, but it all falls on deaf ears. Our opinions are disregarded offhand and we have to argue empty accusations. Their buzzwords are all they have against us, but it's also the most effective thing they could have.

So, what's the solution? It's to stop fighting against it, and embrace it. We have to start fighting dirty like they do. There's no reason to engage in honest debate with people who are not interested in it. We just have to make it look like we want to engage in debate and make it look like we are dominating it throuth lazy argumentation. At first, dumbing down our arguments seems counter-intuitive to our goals, but we have to stop overthinking and look at what this tactic can actually accomplish. I mean, it got the alt-right the election. And the beautiful thing is, since bluepillers and femoids are banned on this site, no such arguments have to exist here and thoughtful analysis and comprehensive blackpills will always have a home where newly converted can find truth, even if they were convinced through dirty arguing tactics.

TL;DR Don't try to engage with bluepillers in an honest debate and don't ever justify yourself ina debate.

 

[RopeMaXXer]

Difference is, absolutely noone has anything to gain from siding with incels.
In eyes of normies, incels aree completely removing themselves from genepool, meaning less competetion. In eyes of foids, incles are icky subhumans they want nothing to do with.

 

[CyborgIncel]

Difference is, absolutely noone has anything to gain from siding with incels.
In eyes of normies, incels aree completely removing themselves from genepool, meaning less competetion. In eyes of foids, incles are icky subhumans they want nothing to do with.

Incels will always exist for as long as reproduction is the main goal of the human race. The elimination of certain genetic traits from the population will result in females adopting other genetic markers by which they determine the sexual viability of a male, and it will always be the top 20% who are viable.

It is in the interest of all sub8 males (ie. the majority of males) for the mainstream to recognize this biological reality and implement measures (like shaming) by which this kind of female behaviour would be limited.

 

[Red Shambhala]

The alt-right hasn't achieved anything. They constantly pat themselves on their own back how they are winning and how funny they are and how people do #WalkAway and shit like that, but if you look at it objectively, you have to conclude that they didn't achieve anything. They are more hated than ever, there is more immigration than ever, more feminism, more Zionism, more transgenderism, more censorship, more aggression towards Russia and Assad, more people getting fired over alt-right views, etc. etc. This is just a combination of grandeur and illusion and autism and pure arrogance on their part, that they believe they've achieved anything. They are almost as autistic as female comedians in the way they ROFLMAO about their edgy memes and think they are HILARIOUS while the rest of the world is just hating them.

 

[RopeMaXXer]

Incels will always exist for as long as reproduction is the main goal of the human race. The elimination of certain genetic traits from the population will result in females adopting other genetic markers by which they determine the sexual viability of a male.

>theres always the left tail of bell curve
no shit
Question is wether foids get hypergamous enough to make that left tail bigger than the rest. Current trends indicate incel % is rising.
Strap in, we'll see

 

[Angus13]

How many people (mostly normies) supporting the alt-right, claiming to be anti-feminists, and supporting Trump, are even aware that his daughter (whom he appointed head of his ethics committee, via nepotism) is an overt feminist? How many are even aware modern "traditionalism" is just republican feminism?

 

[acnescarcel]

just say cope to everything they say dud3

 

[jerrycan dan]

The alt-right are trying to establish a white ethnostate though, which takes actual effort and is more likely to not happen than it is likely to happen.

If you want the blackpill to "win" you really just have to sit and wait as hypergamy gets worse and worse, and society goes down the drain for the bottom half of men. We can LDAR and the blackpill will still "win" (as in get recognised as self-evident truth by the vast majority of people).

 

[Deleted member 5861]

We literally use "cuck" as an insult all the time and use pepe as a meme/emoji. We are almost indistinguishable from the alt-right in argument style already.

 

[Fontaine]

> not believing in rhetoric: low IQ
> believing in rhetoric and thinking you can convince people by debating: average IQ
> believing in rhetoric but also in the superiority of self-interest (making people who have no interest in being convinced, unable of being convinced): high IQ

The reason debating with "normies" never works despite having science on your side is simply because they don't want to be convinced, and they also attach lower emotional value to science than you. Does this make them inferior? No, they just have different sets of interests and goals.

For example, the facts have demonstrated that communism makes people poorer and is altogether a very bad system of resource allocation. But will you convince a poor, exploited worker to embrace the cause of capitalism when he has more to gain by being a communist and active in labor unions? Perhaps, assuming the worker in question has very high intellectual integrity and very high tolerance to humiliation. But in most cases, you won't.

 

[PersonalityChad]

Everyone already knows the blackpill is true. If they want to admit it it's another story.
No point in debating

 

[leftyincel]

becoming a journalist/ magazine writer would be the best strategy tbh

 

[averageblokecel]

The alt-right hasn't achieved anything. They constantly pat themselves on their own back how they are winning and how funny they are and how people do #WalkAway and shit like that, but if you look at it objectively, you have to conclude that they didn't achieve anything. They are more hated than ever, there is more immigration than ever, more feminism, more Zionism, more transgenderism, more censorship, more aggression towards Russia and Assad, more people getting fired over alt-right views, etc. etc. This is just a combination of grandeur and illusion and autism and pure arrogance on their part, that they believe they've achieved anything. They are almost as autistic as female comedians in the way they ROFLMAO about their edgy memes and think they are HILARIOUS while the rest of the world is just hating them.

the reality i absurd tbh

 

[FaceandHFD]

> not believing in rhetoric: low IQ
> believing in rhetoric and thinking you can convince people by debating: average IQ
> believing in rhetoric but also in the superiority of self-interest (making people who have no interest in being convinced, unable of being convinced): high IQ

The reason debating with "normies" never works despite having science on your side is simply because they don't want to be convinced, and they also attach lower emotional value to science than you. Does this make them inferior? No, they just have different sets of interests and goals.

For example, the facts have demonstrated that communism makes people poorer and is altogether a very bad system of resource allocation. But will you convince a poor, exploited worker to embrace the cause of capitalism when he has more to gain by being a communist and active in labor unions? Perhaps, assuming the worker in question has very high intellectual integrity and very high tolerance to humiliation. But in most cases, you won't.

High IQ

 

[Deleted member 12355]

Strike first, strike hard

 

[Villain]

Everyone already knows the blackpill is true. If they want to admit it it's another story.
No point in debating

subconciously yeah but there are idiots who really dont think about stuff or their iq cant come close to what you call rationality

 

[SuperPerfectCel]

Those groups are allowed to act retarded because their beliefs either appeal to natural prejudices (alt-right) or only survive in a delusional echo chamber (blue pill).

The black pill is negative and not something one instinctively wants to accept. You can't be cheerfully dismissive of things that oppose it because it's nothing to be happy about.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

The alt-right hasn't achieved anything. They constantly pat themselves on their own back how they are winning and how funny they are and how people do #WalkAway and shit like that, but if you look at it objectively, you have to conclude that they didn't achieve anything. They are more hated than ever, there is more immigration than ever, more feminism, more Zionism, more transgenderism, more censorship, more aggression towards Russia and Assad, more people getting fired over alt-right views, etc. etc. This is just a combination of grandeur and illusion and autism and pure arrogance on their part, that they believe they've achieved anything. They are almost as autistic as female comedians in the way they ROFLMAO about their edgy memes and think they are HILARIOUS while the rest of the world is just hating them.

Strike first, strike hard

Everyone already knows the blackpill is true. If they want to admit it it's another story.
No point in debating

> not believing in rhetoric: low IQ
> believing in rhetoric and thinking you can convince people by debating: average IQ
> believing in rhetoric but also in the superiority of self-interest (making people who have no interest in being convinced, unable of being convinced): high IQ

The reason debating with "normies" never works despite having science on your side is simply because they don't want to be convinced, and they also attach lower emotional value to science than you. Does this make them inferior? No, they just have different sets of interests and goals.

For example, the facts have demonstrated that communism makes people poorer and is altogether a very bad system of resource allocation. But will you convince a poor, exploited worker to embrace the cause of capitalism when he has more to gain by being a communist and active in labor unions? Perhaps, assuming the worker in question has very high intellectual integrity and very high tolerance to humiliation. But in most cases, you won't.

The alt-right are trying to establish a white ethnostate though, which takes actual effort and is more likely to not happen than it is likely to happen.

If you want the blackpill to "win" you really just have to sit and wait as hypergamy gets worse and worse, and society goes down the drain for the bottom half of men. We can LDAR and the blackpill will still "win" (as in get recognised as self-evident truth by the vast majority of people).

We literally use "cuck" as an insult all the time and use pepe as a meme/emoji. We are almost indistinguishable from the alt-right in argument style already.

I have to agree. That's why SJW Drone Foids, Radfemincels, boy bolshie buddy boyos paint us as.
https://incels.is/threads/learning-how-to-argue.73112/