Sheogorath
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Kissing is not ascending, ascending is sexual intercourse.Milhouse ascended with Samantha !!!
They didn’t jus kiss they made out. Also they’re both 10 actually they were 9 during that episode so no sex wouldn’t be an option. He made out with a girl so he ascendedKissing is not ascending, ascending is sexual intercourse.
ascension is sticking your penis into a cervix not sticking your tongue into an esophagusThey didn’t jus kiss they made out.
google "Lina Medina"Also they’re both 10 actually they were 9 during that episode so no sex wouldn’t be an option.
stop redefining ascensionHe made out with a girl so he ascended
you sound low-IQNo because i don’t cartoon characters attractive ya dope
Nope they’re 10ascension is sticking your penis into a cervix not sticking your tongue into an esophagus
I’m awaRe of the 5 year old Peruvian girl who got pregnant. That still doesn’t mean anything barely any kid even in the shittiest ghettos are having sex at 10 man. On top of that this is the Simpsons don’t think a show like the Simpsons would showcase kids doing something like that.google "Lina Medina"
Bro these are little 4th graders, a bunch of these characters have never had a date either. Meanwhile milhouse comes and is able to rizz up Samantha and get her to come follow him to Bart’s home.stop redefining ascension
or I guess we might say there are varying degrees but this is not the final ascension
Ascension doesn't change definition based on age groups.Nope they’re 10
So you admit it happens and you were wrong to say it doesn't happen.That still doesn’t mean anything barely any kid even in the shittiest ghettos are having sex at 10 man.
They don't showcase every time someone takes a shit it doesn't mean we're meant to assume they're not shitting.On top of that this is the Simpsons don’t think a show like the Simpsons would showcase kids doing something like that.
Which ones?Bro these are little 4th graders, a bunch of these characters have never had a date either.
Yes because he got lucky with a unicorn with a lot of insecurity.Meanwhile milhouse comes and is able to rizz up Samantha and get her to come follow him to Bart’s home.
Typo you fuckin pedoascension is sticking your penis into a cervix not sticking your tongue into an esophagus
google "Lina Medina"
stop redefining ascension
or I guess we might say there are varying degrees but this is not the final ascension
you sound low-IQ
Typo you fuckin pedoascension is sticking your penis into a cervix not sticking your tongue into an esophagus
google "Lina Medina"
stop redefining ascension
or I guess we might say there are varying degrees but this is not the final ascension
you sound low-IQ
Boring spergNo because i don’t find cartoon characters attractive ya dope
It’s boring for me not to like little cartoon characters sexually? LolBoring sperg
boring is subjective, but yesIt’s boring for me not to like little cartoon characters sexually? Lol
Yes it doesAscension doesn't change definition based on age groups.
Very rarelySo you admit it happens and you were wrong to say it doesn't happen.
Also no - it does happen outside of ghettos, all it would take is a lack of supervision.
False equivalency. We obviously know Flanders had sex to have his kids. However if there was sex going on amongst the youth they’d be talking about it frequently. It’s obvious there isn’tThey don't showcase every time someone takes a shit it doesn't mean we're meant to assume they're not shitting.
We haven't seen Flanders impregnate his wife either, what point are you trying to make?
Wendell for example what about database, Lewis? Richard? There’s a shit ton I could name.Which ones?
How would you know?
What a cope. They’re 10 mateYes because he got lucky with a unicorn with a lot of insecurity.
But they did not have sex so he did not ascend.
Maybe he might've, but they didn't.
I think if they had fucked she still wouldn't dumped him for Chad.
Yes it does
It's not false equivalency as I wasn't saying it was equivalent.False equivalency. We obviously know Flanders had sex to have his kids.
Not guaranteed to talk about it frequently if they feared being overheard and getting in trouble for it, or felt ashamed.However if there was sex going on amongst the youth they’d be talking about it frequently. It’s obvious there isn’t
fair point I guess Milhouse used to be low-inhib enough to mog them until he was broken by Samantha abandoning himWendell for example what about database, Lewis? Richard? There’s a shit ton I could name.
every girl who has dumped her looksmatch to go and fuck chad used to be 10 tooWhat a cope. They’re 10 mate
I think rizzing up and making out with a girl is pretty significant."I kissed a girl when I was five so I ascended even though I am a 60 year old virgin I mog all you sex-havers who never kissed a girl as a preteen but are balls-deep in pussy with your wife each night"
nobody thinks this
The show doesn’t exist independently outside of what we’re shown so that didn’t happen. The kids aren’t having sex because the show hasn’t mentioned it. This isn’t a virtual reality type world or Minecraft that has its own things outside of what it shows you. The Simpsons reality is whatever we’re shown or seen. Maybe you could refer to the comics or games but even then they don’t show anythingIt's not false equivalency as I wasn't saying it was equivalent.
I was saying that obviously things can happen without us seeing them happen.
Also no, you don't know that - Maude might've fucked some other guy and Flanders got drunk and Maude lied to him and said they fucked when they didn't.
You don't know.
Nope the show doesn’t exist independently it exists dependent on the writers and animators. These things never happen because they were never wrote down or animated.Not guaranteed to talk about it frequently if they feared being overheard and getting in trouble for it, or felt ashamed.
Also you're assuming here that we necessarily hear all the important conversations in the show - not a guarantee.
For all we know, Marge has had mascarriages and abortions and we've never seen those conversations.
True. Milhouse was definitely broken but Samantha didn’t abandon him it was Bart who caused her to go to that school in the first place.fair point I guess Milhouse used to be low-inhib enough to mog them until he was broken by Samantha abandoning him
Yes but this is the Simpsons.every girl who has dumped her looksmatch to go and fuck chad used to be 10 too
yes, you can call it semi-ascension or something if you alike but it's not the traditional meaningI think rizzing up and making out with a girl is pretty significant.
of course it does, all shows have implied things we assume to be true based on logic and realityThe show doesn’t exist independently outside of what we’re shown so that didn’t happen.
The idea that we should assume characters in a show aren't fucking because we're not told it is a silly approach.The kids aren’t having sex because the show hasn’t mentioned it.
Of course it is.this isn’t a virtual reality type world or Minecraft that has its own things outside of what it shows you.
In any fiction the idea is a world is painted where you are shown some portions but are meant to assume other things are happening according to reasonable expectations.The Simpsons reality is whatever we’re shown or seen. Maybe you could refer to the comics or games but even then they don’t show anything
Canon has degrees of impact but the idea we're meant to assume nothing happens because it's not seen.Nope the show doesn’t exist independently it exists dependent on the writers and animators. These things never happen because they were never wrote down or animated.
I consider her not sneaking out of the school to be abandoning him.True. Milhouse was definitely broken but Samantha didn’t abandon him it was Bart who caused her to go to that school in the first place.
Simpsons is a highly sexual and degenerate world, I wouldn't expect the populations to be more puritan than our own.Yes but this is the Simpsons.
Ascension is different amongst 10 year olds. But if milhouse is like this at 10 chances are he won’t be incel however they fucking made milhouse more beta and a simp for Lisa after like season 5/6.yes, you can call it semi-ascension or something if you alike but it's not the traditional meaning
It’s inferred on screen that’s whyof course it does, all shows have implied things we assume to be true based on logic and reality
It was inferred and practically said on screen what they were doing and it was also shown what they were doing in the closet. They needed to show and tell us that for us to know.The idea that we should assume characters in a show aren't fucking because we're not told it is a silly approach.
I guess technically Seymour Skinner wasn't fucking Edna Krabapple in that janitor's closet either, right?
After all, he said he was still a virgin, and nobody would lie about that.
Avatar is different from the Simpsons and again it’s inferred inside the show.Of course it is.
What you think people aren't baking bread in Ba Sing Se because Aang didn't witness it in the Earth Kingdom?
I guess but you get the point.Minecraft is also a hilarious example because I'm pretty sure nothing habits inside vacant chunks, they only get updated when you go there.
If it’s not inferred he takes a piss everyday then it’s not canon that he does. You assume it happens but who knows the writers could say naruto just hold its and the fireballs he releases contains his piss. If it isn’t outright said or shown I won’t assume it’s true.In any fiction the idea is a world is painted where you are shown some portions but are meant to assume other things are happening according to reasonable expectations.
Naruto takes a piss every day. We're not sure the exact time he takes a piss or that he does it, but it's reasonable to expect he's doing that off-screen because that's how biology operates, even an unusual one like his.
The show doesn’t exist independently from what we’re seen. When Flanders it not on screen he isn’t existing at the moment. So he isn’t doing anything except being in oblivion.Canon has degrees of impact but the idea we're meant to assume nothing happens because it's not seen.
Do we see every time Flanders takes out the trash?
I don’t think she knows where he lives plus the school is pretty far away.I consider her not sneaking out of the school to be abandoning him.
A guy in a boys-only school would have snuck out to see his GF
No it isn’t.Simpsons is a highly sexual and degenerate world, I wouldn't expect the populations to be more puritan than our own.
Ascension is static, it means to have consensual sex with a woman. It doesn't become handholding or some bullshit just because of age.Ascension is different amongst 10 year olds.
I don't agree, it is possible to go from french-kissing in middle school to having your life fall apart and lose status and have negligible ascension chances.But if milhouse is like this at 10 chances are he won’t be incel
the SIMP was in him all along - idolized Stankey and got even more desperate for validation when she abandoned himhowever they fucking made milhouse more beta and a simp for Lisa after like season 5/6.
some things aren't inferred on-screen so much as extrapolated from our knowledge of realityIt’s inferred on screen that’s why
but not ACTUALLY saidIt was inferred and practically said on screen what they were doing
we did not see Seymour's dick go into Edna's vagina therefore we don't know they had sex, maybe they just kissed and gropedand it was also shown what they were doing in the closet. They needed to show and tell us that for us to know.
Again you mean 'implied'.Avatar is different from the Simpsons and again it’s inferred inside the show.
It is not implied, so you should not infer this from an absent implication.If it’s not inferred he takes a piss everyday then it’s not canon that he does.
Things outright 'said' or 'shown' are often wrong though, so you can't absolutely -know- anything about any show.You assume it happens but who knows the writers could say naruto just hold its and the fireballs he releases contains his piss.
If it isn’t outright said or shown I won’t assume it’s true.
The "show" is what we are shown, sure.The show doesn’t exist independently from what we’re seen.
I don't agree. Flanders exists in our imagination. Sure he is Schrodinger's Flanders so we can't confirm it but we can take reasonable guessesWhen Flanders it not on screen he isn’t existing at the moment. So he isn’t doing anything except being in oblivion.
She would know his surname is Van Houten she could probably find out through a phone book where he lives.I don’t think she knows where he lives plus the school is pretty far away.
Look at the ADMR vid Patty and Selma made thoNo it isn’t.
Well this pre ascension then. These are still 10 year olds.Ascension is static, it means to have consensual sex with a woman. It doesn't become handholding or some bullshit just because of age.
Those are important pre-ascension markers but we need to have some static parameters here or the term loses usefulness.
It’s very rareI don't agree, it is possible to go from french-kissing in middle school to having your life fall apart and lose status and have negligible ascension chances.
That isn’t as bad as he was later on. Also who wouldn’t milhouse had a good girl there. You wouldn’t do that if you weren’t milhouse?the SIMP was in him all along - idolized Stankey and got even more desperate for validation when she abandoned him
he would've simped for Lisa anyway, you can see how he just says whatever will please them and has no scurples
IE "love your dress" "my dad makes me I hate it" "i hate it too"
Eh.some things aren't inferred on-screen so much as extrapolated from our knowledge of reality
Yesbut not ACTUALLY said
btw I think you mean "imply" here, not "infer"
They weren’t just doing that as we saw in that scene and genuinely it did imply they were having sex.we did not see Seymour's dick go into Edna's vagina therefore we don't know they had sex, maybe they just kissed and groped
No because a show is different from IRL.Again you mean 'implied'.
But things don't need to be overtly implied for us to know they probably happen based on IRL patterns we expect to see here.
Exactly if it isn’t outright said or shown it really isn’t happening or even important to whatever is going on.It is not implied, so you should not infer this from an absent implication.
Sure but inferring that there’s Incels or some stuff like that in the simpsons is more or less a cope. I think I can have that amount of certainty.Things outright 'said' or 'shown' are often wrong though, so you can't absolutely -know- anything about any show.
You just have reasonable degrees of certainty.
It is a continuum of belieability, not a dichotomy.
If the writers didn’t add it or the animators didn’t it’s kind of pointless to make some wild inference about arbitrary things. It’s like pretending that they have hoverboards because it’s a cartoon there’s no proof of that and the writers haven’t put it in. So I’m going to assume it just isn’t there and it isn’t there.The "show" is what we are shown, sure.
But the "universe" most definitely encompasses more than what is 'shown'.
That is because it is part of the imagination.
For example we are meant to imagine that Lisa Simpson is a human being with a heart and a brain even though she literally has neither of these things and might be intended as a non-human robot imposter in the story.
All characters are Schrödinger’s box once they’re not in the screen. The Difference is the cat is actually real.I don't agree. Flanders exists in our imagination. Sure he is Schrodinger's Flanders so we can't confirm it but we can take reasonable guesses
1. This episode is from 1991 Biden wasn’t president it was George HW bush.She would know his surname is Van Houten she could probably find out through a phone book where he lives.
Saint Sebastian's School for Wicked Girls is most likely in Quebec since it's run by French-Canadian nuns. It's not like she's on another continent. She could sneak out and illegally immigrate into USA due to Biden's policies.
What. Patty & Selma are like the only dykes in the show and that’s the only super sexual sceneLook at the ADMR vid Patty and Selma made tho
stop making shit up how the fuck would you know if it's rare for guys lives to fall apart?It’s very rareit is possible to go from french-kissing in middle school to having your life fall apart and lose status and have negligible ascension chances.
yes, he hit his peak early, a lot of people doThat isn’t as bad as he was later on.
A good girl wouldn't want you to lie to her, either to say a bad dress looked good, or to deny you thought a dress was beautiful to conform to her view.Also who wouldn’t milhouse had a good girl there. You wouldn’t do that if you weren’t milhouse?
implications come in degrees and there are always multiple ways to interpret a scenegenuinely it did imply they were having sex
Shows are 100% like IRL where we infer things from implied patterns to build a narrative.No because a show is different from IRL.
That's complete bullshit, you have a very base-level appreciation of fiction then.Exactly if it isn’t outright said or shown it really isn’t happening or even important to whatever is going on.
A lot of characters are designed to represent incel-like archtypes, not sure how you don't see that.inferring that there’s Incels or some stuff like that in the simpsons is more or less a cope. I think I can have that amount of certainty.
My inferences are not wild or arbitrary.If the writers didn’t add it or the animators didn’t it’s kind of pointless to make some wild inference about arbitrary things.
given some of the scifi tech we've seen Frink use it's highly probable it exists in that worldIt’s like pretending that they have hoverboards because it’s a cartoon there’s no proof of that and the writers haven’t put it in.
low-IQ assumption given how low-realism Simpsons often isSo I’m going to assume it just isn’t there and it isn’t there.
The cat's not real anymore if he was vaporized. You haven't found out yet.All characters are Schrödinger’s box once they’re not in the screen. The Difference is the cat is actually real.
because she loves Milhouse enough to do itshe’s 10 why would she do that
I already explained - because it is run by French-Canadian nuns.why would she be in Quebec they never mentioned anything like that. She’s probably in a town outside of Springfield maybe even ShelbyVille. But no evidence she was in Canada
False normies are having sex. All it means is that you’re already Normie tier meaning you’re above us Incels. By ascend I mean Normie tier this could go from even low tier Normie.stop making shit up how the fuck would you know if it's rare for guys lives to fall apart?
each progression forward into sexhaver chad status is progressively harder so fewer do it
Truecels never had a drive unlike normiesyes, he hit his peak early, a lot of people do
rejection ruins your idealism and drive
I don’t think she necessarily wanted him to lie or cared. Again she’s 10 and these are characters written by writers. Anyways this isn’t really proving anything other than that milhouse knows how to rizz up a girl.A good girl wouldn't want you to lie to her, either to say a bad dress looked good, or to deny you thought a dress was beautiful to conform to her view.
Sure but there are some objective things about a scene.implications come in degrees and there are always multiple ways to interpret a scene
We can about a random story we don’t know but this is a show called the Simpsons where the story is complete and already set. We know what happen and we watched the full episode so we already know what had happen.Shows are 100% like IRL where we infer things from implied patterns to build a narrative.
Sure I guess but nonetheless we aren’t writers so what we say is simply extra imagination.That's complete bullshit, you have a very base-level appreciation of fiction then.
Things that aren't outright shown or outright described can be some of the most interesting and important things about appreciating fiction as a fan.
This is where intelligence and imagination excel at bringing products to life.
Mainly Moe who you claimed ascended because of that midget girl he had. If moe at 50 ascended because of a midget girl he found online how come milhouse getting a girl irl first time they see each other isn’t.A lot of characters are designed to represent incel-like archtypes, not sure how you don't see that.
I’m not sure. The thing we’re arguing on is whether or not Milhouse is truecel due to his relationship with Samantha. Watching the episode makes me feel a certain way it makes me feel happy for milhouse once but that’s besides the topic. anyways my argument is no but our disagreement turned into a more philosophical perspective.My inferences are not wild or arbitrary.
Clearly you disagree.
How do we resolve this weighting?
True.given some of the scifi tech we've seen Frink use it's highly probable it exists in that world
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also remember that Lucy Lawless can fly and there are aliens
You know what I’ll just say you’re right at this point I still think if the writers haven’t openly said the show can be up to interpretation and can exist outside what the writers right then who knows for sure.low-IQ assumption given how low-realism Simpsons often is
The cat's not real anymore if he was vaporized. You haven't found out yet.
Also fictional things are real in the sense that memes are real.
Characters and stories exist in the brains of their creators and readers with commonalities and differences.
I mean they never age in the show. They’re always 10 so this episode despite it being 31 years old to them is only 6 months ago maybe. Also it would be more or less milhouse’ to do it not just because he’s a guy but since he’s the major character he’s supposed to do the adventure. He’s also known for being rowdy and has been to many places. Well at least at the time of the episode he was rowdy now they made him beta and very timid and deserved.because she loves Milhouse enough to do it
but she doesn't
that's why in all the future episodes we never see her - even when she had plenty of time to graduate and come see him
Yes but it’s most likely just some joke the writers did, the French Canadian school is still probably located in or close to Springfield. I mean Bart and milhouse biked there and I don’t think the Springfield they live in is close to Quebec.I already explained - because it is run by French-Canadian nuns.
Quebec is a good example of a place where the school might be, as that is where French-Canadians originate.
Obviously it's not a guarantee I'm just saying it seems more likely than any American state.
drive always exists to varying degrees, it is not an absoluteFalse normies are having sex. All it means is that you’re already Normie tier meaning you’re above us Incels. By ascend I mean Normie tier this could go from even low tier Normie.
Truecels never had a drive unlike normies
@Incelius Savage has the lowest IQ here.you sound low-IQ
his username sounds high IQ compared to yours though@Incelius Savage has the lowest IQ here.
Cope, how many people even know the word abhorred?his username sounds high IQ compared to yours though
yes but you should capitalize the A for aestheticsCope, how many people even know the word abhorred?
Aesthetics is low IQ. I prefer substance over form.yes but you should capitalize the A for aesthetics
okay UniverSallyAbhorRedAesthetics is low IQ. I prefer substance over form.
Well truecels have extremely low drivedrive always exists to varying degrees, it is not an absolute
but there is no truecelWell truecels have extremely low drive
I am truecelbut there is no truecel