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Blackpill Vanilla Sky (2001): the unknown Hollywood blackpill masterpiece

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I don't know whether the intention of scenarist and director Cameron Crowe was to create a movie on the blackpill / lookism, but he did precisely that; it's not even a subtheme, or something that you have to read between the lines. It's in your face, all the time; it's the only message of the movie, along with "cryonics is actually a cool idea" and "fornicating with women is dangerous".

I consider Vanilla Sky, a 2001 movie starring Tom Cruise, Cameron Diaz and Penelope Cruz, as the best (and perhaps only?) movie that Hollywood ever did on the theme of lookism. Unsurprisingly, this main theme has mostly escaped the attention of critics and journalists. Only NYT journalist Stephen Holden has accurately depicted the main message of the film: "looks are everything (...) with money a close second. But if you lose your looks, all the money in the world won't mean diddly unless it can somehow buy them back."

David Aames is the stereotypical wealthy Chad who has everything, and can get nearly anything he demands. His sub8 best friend knows that Aames can get any girl he wants, and it is often a source of despair for him, as every girl he meets and introduces to Aames soon becomes his prey. Most of the early stages of the movie is a glimpse at his privileged life. This cocooned existence starts to derail when...

Stop right here and don't read below if you actually want to watch the movie now that I've told you about it (it is on Amazon Prime). Spoilers incoming.

... he falls in love with a pretty Spanish girl, and soon after, has a horrible automobile accident. When he comes back to life, his pretty mug is irreversibly ruined, leading to an incredibly powerful scene where Aames yells his discontent at the surgeons who were supposed to fix his face. He spends months alone in his appartment, brooding over the loss of his looks, and when he finally decides to come back to "life", he meets at best a very lukewarm welcome. The Spanish girl he loved now seems very reluctant to entertain the thought of becoming his girlfriend, his best friend lets all his past grievances and resentments out instead of being there for him, and he gets mocked by a bunch of dumb fags in a nightclub over his ugliness. Over the following days, it becomes clear that the Spanish girl doesn't love him anymore and is actually with his best friend now! What follows is even more interesting: Aames finally manages to get his face completely fixed with a very risky experimental procedure and everything changes. The Spanish girl comes back. They live blissful days together. At the end of the movie, it is revealed that Aames never managed to get his face fixed: it was all a dream, fed to him in his cryogenic state after he committed suicide soon after the nightclub scene...
 
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Damn dude, thanks for suggesting. I love movies and a movie on Lookism with Tom Cruise is something that I would definitely watch. I wondered why you changed your avi to Tom Cruise lol but I see now why.
 
now we have marketers advertising on an incels site. what is the world coming to?
 
Watched this movie a while ago. Found it really awesome then, but can't remember much anymore. Magnolia and Eyes Wide Shut I also found great. Tom Cruise is a pretty good actor. And Mission: Impossible has the cool James Bond feeling, James Bond movies don't have anymore.
 
Fantastic movie. I've loved it since I saw it back then but I've only watched it twice because it's brutal. I agree. Only blackpilled Hollywood movie.

The scene when Penelope Cruz is looking at him after he shows up to her dance studio the most painful. "I didn't want you to see me, okay. But then I woke up today and finally ... a good hair day!" Her expression says everything.

That scene actually helped me understand why people hate my ugliness and how limiting it is. It is the most instructive movie I've seen.

Other painful aspect is their perfect romance at the start of the movie. Something we don't get.
 
Fuck Hollywood, place filled with Chads and Staceys to the brim
 
Watched this movie a while ago. Found it really awesome then, but can't remember much anymore. Magnolia and Eyes Wide Shut I also found great. Tom Cruise is a pretty good actor. And Mission: Impossible has the cool James Bond feeling, James Bond movies don't have anymore.
Tom Cruise is my favorite male actor, along with Christian Bale, Christopher Lee and Viggo Mortensen. I don't know why exactly; it's not merely looks. It's more about the voice.
The scene when Penelope Cruz is looking at him after he shows up to her dance studio the most painful. "I didn't want you to see me, okay. But then I woke up today and finally ... a good hair day!" Her expression says everything.
I actually thought her expression was one of compassion, and that she would still love him after that -- but I was wrong. Very brutal.
 
now we have marketers advertising on an incels site. what is the world coming to?
Yeah like they're gonna spend money advertising a 17 year old movie, dummy
 
Shame also displayed how much seduction is just staring at woman as an attractive man. Trying at all is cope. Michael Fassbender's character seduces a married woman in the subway via intensly staring at her. He says 1 word to a woman at a nightclub and she literally picks him up in her car after he leaves and fuck under a bridge, even though his boss had been flirting with her all night. He fingers a guy's girlfriend in the middle of a crowded bar.

I've never seen a a movie that so blatantly advertises the quality of life of a Chad.
 
Saw the movie today. Great movie. Captures the blackpill very well. And IMO I feel that one can't really beleive in the stupid notion of true love, romance etc after watching it. Everything in life is transactional and without looks (and money to some extent) you would get nothing.

Also the movie has mixed to negative reviews, JFL. People not able to swallow the blackpill.
 
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I'll have to check this out, not too many movies that present the blackpill so explicitly.
 
Im go watch this later tonight.
 
What brought you to this point? Where you looking at old Tom Cruise movies to study his looks?
 
Great film. Very unique, never really seen anything like it. It has this rich, glossy, Hollywood sheen to it that, combined with the contrasting, dark subject matter, gives off this sense of unease and surrealism.
It's strange that it manages to perfectly capture the essence of something so simple, so grounded in biology and nature, that is, lookism, while at the same time serving as an interesting and thought provoking story about something so extraordinary and advanced through the parts of the plot involving the science fiction elements, the contrast between both is nice.
I like how in the beginning it shows an ideal life, then with the accident things become seriously troubled and unpleasant, then towards the end, devolves into downright horrifying, as David begins to question what the hell is going on. Cruise is perfect in his role, couldn't have performed better.
 
Saw the movie today. Great movie. Captures the blackpill very well. And IMO I feel that one can't really beleive in the stupid notion of true love, romance etc after watching it. Everything in life is transactional and without looks (and money to some extent) you would get nothing.
I think this inability to believe in true, unconditional love is what will always prevent me (and most incels) from fully believing in Christianity.

Even when you give to someone without expecting anything in exchange, you actually want something: whether it's the feel-good emotions of being a moral person, or a slightly increased chance of going to Heaven.

Great film. Very unique, never really seen anything like it. It has this rich, glossy, Hollywood sheen to it that, combined with the contrasting, dark subject matter, gives off this sense of unease and surrealism.
It's strange that it manages to perfectly capture the essence of something so simple, so grounded in biology and nature, that is, lookism, while at the same time serving as an interesting and thought provoking story about something so extraordinary and advanced through the parts of the plot involving the science fiction elements, the contrast between both is nice.
I like how in the beginning it shows an ideal life, then with the accident things become seriously troubled and unpleasant, then towards the end, devolves into downright horrifying, as David begins to question what the hell is going on. Cruise is perfect in his role, couldn't have performed better.
It's a great movie indeed, even from a purely artistic viewpoint. The elevator scene with the "tech support" guy, or the end scene with Sigur Ros playing in the background are absolutely incredible. I legit cried at some points.

Also, the suspense is well-played during his interviews with the psychiatrist. We all wonder what truly happened for him to end up accused of murder.
 
Damn dude, thanks for suggesting. I love movies and a movie on Lookism with Tom Cruise is something that I would definitely watch. I wondered why you changed your avi to Tom Cruise lol but I see now why.

The intention is to make money

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Just watched it, was almost moved to tears. I am genuinely taken aback by to how relatable this movie is to me. I feel as though the plot is essentially a sci-fi spin on my life, there are so many events in the movie which I can map directly onto events in my life. My favourite scene was when they were in the club, it was profoundly reminiscent of a scene from my life, I was so shocked my jaw was on the floor. The line “she said we’d only met once?!” Was genuinely harrowing to me. I also loved the line she gave to try and make light of the situation; “I’ll tell you in another life, when we’re both cats” and his flabbergasted response to it. It demonstrates how people no longer take you seriously when you’re ugly, they think you are easily fooled, or they can no longer be bothered to exert the effort to think of a convincing response to give you, they just want you out of the way.

The only issue I had was the subtle insinuation that there was a chance they might get back together at the end. I chose to view the ending with Barthes’ ‘Death of the Author’ in mind, and think that what is shown about human attraction earlier in the movie demonstrates that the relationship, if rekindled, would ultimately be doomed to fail.
 
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blackpill and trippy to boot
 
Thanks for the suggestion, will watch soon
 
Funny, I thought about that movie like a week or two ago. I liked it, but I've seen it in my blue pilled days, now I can understand it better. Even with power and money, with face like that his life was destroyed. Even then I symphatized with Tom Cruise character best friend, but even he mogs me. I quess the message of this movie is 'if you are Chad use life as hard as you can as it can end anytime'...
And also 'don't stick your dick in crazy'
 
Just watched it, was almost moved to tears. I am genuinely taken aback by to how relatable this movie is to me. I feel as though the plot is essentially a sci-fi spin on my life, there are so many events in the movie which I can map directly onto events in my life. My favourite scene was when they were in the club, it was profoundly reminiscent of a scene from my life, I was so shocked my jaw was on the floor. The line “she said we’d only met once?!” Was genuinely harrowing to me. I also loved the line she gave to try and make light of the situation; “I’ll tell you in another life, when we’re both cats” and his flabbergasted response to it. It demonstrates how people no longer take you seriously when you’re ugly, they think you are easily fooled, or they can no longer be bothered to exert the effort to think of a convincing response to give you, they just want you out of the way.
I have experienced the same thing a few times with oneitises (until I finally got vaccinated).

They send good vibes, are being flirty, and then, when you finally start to press on, they put you aside with lines that are so weird/funny that just leave you flabbergasted, not even angry.

The only issue I had was the subtle insinuation that there was a chance they might get back together at the end. I chose to view the ending with Barthes’ ‘Death of the Author’ in mind, and think that what is shown about human attraction earlier in the movie demonstrates that the relationship, if rekindled, would ultimately be doomed to fail.
If you watch the director's cut alternate ending available on Youtube, you will understand that

Sofia is dead. She didn't get cryogenized, compared to David, so she's irrevocably dead. David won't find her in the real world when he comes back to it. It's not the possibility of love with Sofia that survives, but the possibility of perfect love as embodied by rare cherished moments before his accident.
 
Tom cruise had the exact reverse of this happen in real life. He was treated poorly and harassed by peers and then he got jaw surgery or implants, and his entire life turned around.
 
I have experienced the same thing a few times with oneitises (until I finally got vaccinated).

They send good vibes, are being flirty, and then, when you finally start to press on, they put you aside with lines that are so weird/funny that just leave you flabbergasted, not even angry.


If you watch the director's cut alternate ending available on Youtube, you will understand that

Sofia is dead. She didn't get cryogenized, compared to David, so she's irrevocably dead. David won't find her in the real world when he comes back to it. It's not the possibility of love with Sofia that survives, but the possibility of perfect love as embodied by rare cherished moments before his accident.

CONTAINS SPOILERS
Ah yes, I read a plot summary after this comment and realised that I’d missed the fact he had been cryogenically frozen for 150 years. I thought that because she had been at his ‘funeral’ meant that it was implied the female voice at the end telling him to “open your eyes” was her, but on second viewing I realised the voice didn’t have a Spanish accent. This means the movie is truly blackpilled and I like that. I probably wouldn’t have had her turn up to the ‘funeral’ with tears in her eyes if I’d produced the movie myself, though maybe it could have been said that she was mourning the ‘old David’ before he had sustained the injuries, as that who was in the picture they’d chosen to honour him with there.

I actually used to be quite good-looking, but this was lost due to a health complication I can’t disclose for fear of being doxxed. That made the movie extremely poignant to me, I feel I have a good perspective on the blackpill as I too have seen the it displayed from the two contrasting perspectives of both ugly and attractive, I must say the film captured it pretty much perfectly.
 
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I had a friend in high school who loved that movie. I want to watch it now, but I'm in Germany so I can't just download it anymore kek, will buy if good price.
 
I consider Vanilla Sky, a 2001 movie starring Tom Cruise, Cameron Diaz and Penelope Cruz, as the best (and perhaps only?) movie that Hollywood ever did on the theme of lookism.

This is actually remake of spanish Abre Los Ochos, starring Penelope Cruz as well, which is said to be much better. Haven't seen it myself yet. But I thought that Vanila Sky was terrific when it came out. It's not necessarily Blackpill. Much more about man that couldn't come to terms of being ugly when he used to be a playboy. All those things are happening in his imaginative world. Only the beginning of the movie is truly blackpilled. Need to see the spanish original though.
Ending is great, I still use it myself when I try hard to heal broken heart.. ...when we are both cats.
 
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Just watched it, was almost moved to tears. I am genuinely taken aback by to how relatable this movie is to me. I feel as though the plot is essentially a sci-fi spin on my life, there are so many events in the movie which I can map directly onto events in my life. My favourite scene was when they were in the club, it was profoundly reminiscent of a scene from my life, I was so shocked my jaw was on the floor. The line “she said we’d only met once?!” Was genuinely harrowing to me. I also loved the line she gave to try and make light of the situation; “I’ll tell you in another life, when we’re both cats” and his flabbergasted response to it. It demonstrates how people no longer take you seriously when you’re ugly, they think you are easily fooled, or they can no longer be bothered to exert the effort to think of a convincing response to give you, they just want you out of the way.

The only issue I had was the subtle insinuation that there was a chance they might get back together at the end. I chose to view the ending with Barthes’ ‘Death of the Author’ in mind, and think that what is shown about human attraction earlier in the movie demonstrates that the relationship, if rekindled, would ultimately be doomed to fail.

High iq

You have the talent to write

I found van sky harrowing

But the real lesson was how empty his life was before
 
damn the plot twist at the end was pretty strong i went and read the spoiler anyways fuck
 
I finally have two stickied threads! Historical event. Legit happy.
 
it is on Amazon Prime
I'm in Germany so I can't just download it anymore kek, will buy if good price.
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now we have marketers advertising on an incels site. what is the world coming to?
It's a 17 year old movie, and 3/4 of us are pirates. This isn't marketing.
 
I gonna look this movie up tonight. thanks for bring it to my attention!
 
Reflecting again on this movie, this is truly a very unique "singularity": Crowe tackled the hardest and most taboo subjects in the Western world, looks and death. His portrayal of cryonics is perhaps even bolder than his portrayal of lookism... in the West it is badly viewed to portray life extension as something desirable, although the tide is changing.

Only the pretty face and halo effect of Tom Cruise could make such a "cultural attack" palatable to the public and to journalists, obviously!
 
Yeah it’s good, but it’s actually a remake of a Spanish film called Open Your Eyes, which is an even better film.
 
Amazing movie.
 
I'm gonna see if I can rent this on iTunes or some shit. If anyone wants to have a movie night together let me know and I'll try to hook it up
 
This is indeed one of my favorite movies of all time. Watched it like 5 billion times. Probably going to get drunk and watch it again tonight.
 
Anyone wanna do a incels.is stream?
 
I don't like tom cruise, his face gives me rage, feels like I need to throw acid on that prick, but I liked that movie.
 
It's a version of the spanish movie 'Abra los ojos'. Penelope Cruz is in both productions.

The original version is 10x better than Vanilla Sky tbh
 
Great, not watching the movie.
 
You know, another good one is 'Last American Virgin'. Poor ugly Gary gets the first taste of what life is going to be for him. I can't think of a movie with a more realistic ending

Eventually, Rick gets Karen pregnant after they have sex only once, and he leaves her. Gary decides to help Karen pay for her abortion by selling most of his possessions and borrowing money from his boss. After the abortion, Gary and Karen spend the remainder of the weekend alone together in Gary's grandmother's house. While nursing her back to health, Gary tells Karen that he sincerely loves her. Karen appears to reciprocate and they both share a tender kiss. Karen invites Gary to her 18th birthday party the following week. Gary scrapes up a few more dollars and buys Karen a gold locket for her birthday.
When Gary arrives at the party, his dreams of a lasting romance with Karen are shattered when he sees Karen making out with Rick. Despite what Rick had put Karen through, she apparently decided to take him back. Gary angrily leaves the party without saying a word to either of them, taking Karen's gift with him. Tears streaming down his face, Gary drives home alone, emotionally broken and defeated.
 
Seems like a good movie, and a surprising one coming out of Hollywood.

Another movie that does this kind of theme well is An Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge(though it doesn’t have anything to do with looks).
 
I don't know whether the intention of scenarist and director Cameron Crowe was to create a movie on the blackpill / lookism, but he did precisely that; it's not even a subtheme, or something that you have to read between the lines. It's in your face, all the time; it's the only message of the movie, along with "cryonics is actually a cool idea" and "fornicating with women is dangerous".

I consider Vanilla Sky, a 2001 movie starring Tom Cruise, Cameron Diaz and Penelope Cruz, as the best (and perhaps only?) movie that Hollywood ever did on the theme of lookism. Unsurprisingly, this main theme has mostly escaped the attention of critics and journalists. Only NYT journalist Stephen Holden has accurately depicted the main message of the film: "looks are everything (...) with money a close second. But if you lose your looks, all the money in the world won't mean diddly unless it can somehow buy them back."

David Aames is the stereotypical wealthy Chad who has everything, and can get nearly anything he demands. His sub8 best friend knows that Aames can get any girl he wants, and it is often a source of despair for him, as every girl he meets and introduces to Aames soon becomes his prey. Most of the early stages of the movie is a glimpse at his privileged life. This cocooned existence starts to derail when...

Stop right here and don't read below if you actually want to watch the movie now that I've told you about it (it is on Amazon Prime). Spoilers incoming.

... he falls in love with a pretty Spanish girl, and soon after, has a horrible automobile accident. When he comes back to life, his pretty mug is irreversibly ruined, leading to an incredibly powerful scene where Aames yells his discontent at the surgeons who were supposed to fix his face. He spends months alone in his appartment, brooding over the loss of his looks, and when he finally decides to come back to "life", he meets at best a very lukewarm welcome. The Spanish girl he loved now seems very reluctant to entertain the thought of becoming his girlfriend, his best friend lets all his past grievances and resentments out instead of being there for him, and he gets mocked by a bunch of dumb fags in a nightclub over his ugliness. Over the following days, it becomes clear that the Spanish girl doesn't love him anymore and is actually with his best friend now! What follows is even more interesting: Aames finally manages to get his face completely fixed with a very risky experimental procedure and everything changes. The Spanish girl comes back. They live blissful days together. At the end of the movie, it is revealed that Aames never managed to get his face fixed: it was all a dream, fed to him in his cryogenic state after he committed suicide soon after the nightclub scene...
If you go to South Korea, lookism is so strong that you will not be allowed in normal corporate jobs just coz u look shit or below a certain height or fat, there are mirrors EVERYWHERE and EVERYONE is constantly fixing their hair, make up etc... its the #1 worst country to go if you’re an undesirable incel
 
... he falls in love with a pretty Spanish girl,

LOL, spanish women are the worst whores here in Switzerland....believe me
 

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