Blackpill (US study) 71% of adolescents with multiple experiences of selling sex for money or drugs are male

[The Notorious SLAV]

Wtf are foids and/or fags doing to young Chads?

Commercial Sexual Exploitation During Adolescence: A US-Based National Study of Adolescent to Adult Health

Brootal. I've been thinking about what I talked about in this thread last year:

(2007 report) "the experience of selling sex was significantly more common for boys in all countries but Estonia"

The stuff I posted yesterday was admittedly pretty "water", so here's something that quite surprised me recently and which I absolutely didn't expect for a change:worryfeels::feelswhere:. Wtf:shock:? 25% of 18-year-old boys in Poland in 2007 had experiences of selling sex for money...

incels.is

And I've been really wondering whether and how much it is just an outlier. Sure, there's also stuff like this:

"In a small study of 10th grade South African adolescents, 40 percent of boys reported receiving gifts or money for sex (Frank et al., 2008)"

I see:feelswhere:. Meanwhile, the guys here would never be paid by anyone for sex, and in fact, the only way for us here to have sex is to be the ones paying, yet we share the same planet with those teens who are in the exact opposite situation. Funny how this world works, ain't...

incels.is

But that could also just be an outlier, and studies like it don't specifically focus on the prostitution itself, instead more so as another facet of overall CSA experiences. So, I've decided to look at the percentages of men and women who report ever selling sex on Google Scholar, and after adjusting it to look for relatively recent ones (2022 and later) and going through a bunch of limited and female-focused studies talking about Eastern African female prostitutes' experiences of physical violence and other stuff like that, I found this. Exactly what I was looking for, large, population-based, both genders study looking at the share of population who have ever prostituted themselves, instead of focusing solely on them from the beginning.

And the results?

Four percent of participants reported having a CSE exposure before or during adolescence (5% of males, 3% of females). Factors associated with CSE exposure among adolescents included race/ethnicity, parental education level, previous abuse, samesex romantic attractions, history of ever having run away from home, and substance use.

Of 10 918 participants, 411 (weighted prevalence, 4%) reported CSE exposure during childhood or adolescence (5% of males, 3% of females). Of the 411 participants who disclosed having a CSE exposure before or during Wave I or Wave II, 4 disclosed having had a CSE exposure by age 20, 2 by age 21, and 405 by age ≤ 19. Of participants who reported no CSE exposure, 50% were female and 50% were male. Of participants who reported having had 1 episode of CSE exposure before or during adolescence, 39% were female and 61% were male. Of participants who reported repeat CSE exposure before or during adolescence, 29% were female and 71% were male.

Both quantitatively and qualitatively, selling sex for drugs or money was more of an adolescent boy than an adolescent girl thing. More boys than girls reported doing so, with the difference widening with frequency, as there was a 61-39 gender split among those who did it only once, but a 71-29 split among those who did so more times.

This is so crazy, even knowing about the stuff I linked above, that I wondered whether this wasn't also catching teens who were buying sex and that was skewing this, but apparently not? The study makes it clear that what they are looking for is basically child sex trafficking, and apparently, this wasn't even an unexpected finding. The researchers specifically mention near the beginning that, contrary to both people's beliefs and previous research, CSE is twice as common among males than females. Which, if this were actually about both buyers and sellers, they wouldn't be calling it unexpected.

The term CSE overlaps with child sex trafficking and is defined as the exchange of sexual activity for anything of value. CSE among children and adolescents aged <18years is a form of child sexual abuse and a human rights violation.

National studies indicate differences by sex, with odds of CSE twice as high among males than among females in the United States, contradicting previous beliefs and research suggesting that CSE is more common among females.

Insane findings with crazy implications for both homos and misandric feminists. If this is all done by homos, then, as I already talked about in the first thread I linked above, if women are justified in hating men because of prostitution and rape and whatever, as feminists claim, then this justifies homophobia and means that men are fully justified in disliking homos. The study does mention that not being hetero is a risk factor for being a teen prostitute, but even assuming that the gay boys are OK with all of that, according to the table above, only 19% of those teenage male prostitutes report ever having experienced same-sex attraction. Even assuming that this percentage will go up a bit in the future, it's hard to see there being any way for most of those boys to be gay and this thus being a mostly homo-on-homo phenomenon. At most 30% of them are gay I'd say. Though of course, grown adults having sex with underage prostitutes, and not like 17-year-olds who will have their own OF accounts in a month--the average age of CSE-exposed males was 15.8 years old as you can see above--is very questionable anyway, even if they are of the same orientation.

On the other hand, if there is any significant female involvement with this among the people who have sex with these teenage prostitutes, then that just completely destroys any feminist claims to teenage prostitution being a patriarchal thing evil men are abusing and traumatizing young girls with, and really, any claims to being morally superior here. Like, sure, the mere fact that boys are more likely to be teen prostitutes than girls already does a number on female victimhood claims in this domain, but feminists could still claim that foids just have nothing to do with it. It's easy to see why they would want that to be the case. If even half of the people paying these teen boys for sex are women, than there are as many women paying teen boys for sex as there are men paying teen girls for it. If even a quarter of them are women then, presuming that there are no women paying female teen prostitutes for sex and the latter have only male clients, there are half as many women as men paying teenagers of the opposite sex for, well, sex.

If this ever goes mainstream it's going to be interesting watching the public reaction to it; whether women will throw homos under the bus, whether the latter will reject the full blame and hit back at women, whether researchers will start looking at the gender of people those teens report having paid sex with, and so on.

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[turbocuckcel_7000]

Just when you think you found the limits of female emancipation, you find there is still more to go. They are basically protected from every single bad outcome to an extent that it's almost ridiculous.

If I had to guess I would probably say that initiatives like this are also exclusively for women and no one cares if men end up selling their bodies.

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Nordic Model Now! is a UK grassroots campaign for the Nordic Model approach to prostitution – the ONLY approach that recognises the prostitution system as part of the structural oppression of women and other marginalised groups, and as both a cause and a consequence of the persistent inequality...

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[The Notorious SLAV]

If I had to guess I would probably say that initiatives like this are also exclusively for women and no one cares if men end up selling their bodies.

Home | Nordic Model Now!

Nordic Model Now! is a UK grassroots campaign for the Nordic Model approach to prostitution – the ONLY approach that recognises the prostitution system as part of the structural oppression of women and other marginalised groups, and as both a cause and a consequence of the persistent inequality...

nordicmodelnow.org

Undoubtedly. Also, sorry for not tagging you, I actually went into the shower after finishing this post and there I remembered I forgot to tag you.

 

[veryrare]

Wtf are foids and/or fags doing to young Chads?

Commercial Sexual Exploitation During Adolescence: A US-Based National Study of Adolescent to Adult Health

Brootal. I've been thinking about what I talked about in this thread last year:

(2007 report) "the experience of selling sex was significantly more common for boys in all countries but Estonia"

The stuff I posted yesterday was admittedly pretty "water", so here's something that quite surprised me recently and which I absolutely didn't expect for a change:worryfeels::feelswhere:. Wtf:shock:? 25% of 18-year-old boys in Poland in 2007 had experiences of selling sex for money...

incels.is

And I've been really wondering whether and how much it is just an outlier. Sure, there's also stuff like this:

"In a small study of 10th grade South African adolescents, 40 percent of boys reported receiving gifts or money for sex (Frank et al., 2008)"

I see:feelswhere:. Meanwhile, the guys here would never be paid by anyone for sex, and in fact, the only way for us here to have sex is to be the ones paying, yet we share the same planet with those teens who are in the exact opposite situation. Funny how this world works, ain't...

incels.is

But that could also just be an outlier, and studies like it don't specifically focus on the prostitution itself, instead more so as another facet of overall CSA experiences. So, I've decided to look at the percentages of men and women who report ever selling sex on Google Scholar, and after adjusting it to look for relatively recent ones (2022 and later) and going through a bunch of limited and female-focused studies talking about Eastern African female prostitutes' experiences of physical violence and other stuff like that, I found this. Exactly what I was looking for, large, population-based, both genders study looking at the share of population who have ever prostituted themselves, instead of focusing solely on them from the beginning.

And the results?




View attachment 1729767View attachment 1729768

Both quantitatively and qualitatively, selling sex for drugs or money was more of an adolescent boy than an adolescent girl thing. More boys than girls reported doing so, with the difference widening with frequency, as there was a 61-39 gender split among those who did it only once, but a 71-29 split among those who did so more times.

This is so crazy, even knowing about the stuff I linked above, that I wondered whether this wasn't also catching teens who were buying sex and that was skewing this, but apparently not? The study makes it clear that what they are looking for is basically child sex trafficking, and apparently, this wasn't even an unexpected finding. The researchers specifically mention near the beginning that, contrary to both people's beliefs and previous research, CSE is twice as common among males than females. Which, if this were actually about both buyers and sellers, they wouldn't be calling it unexpected.



Insane findings with crazy implications for both homos and misandric feminists. If this is all done by homos, then, as I already talked about in the first thread I linked above, if women are justified in hating men because of prostitution and rape and whatever, as feminists claim, then this justifies homophobia and means that men are fully justified in disliking homos. The study does mention that not being hetero is a risk factor for being a teen prostitute, but even assuming that the gay boys are OK with all of that, according to the table above, only 19% of those teenage male prostitutes report ever having experienced same-sex attraction. Even assuming that this percentage will go up a bit in the future, it's hard to see there being any way for most of those boys to be gay and this thus being a mostly homo-on-homo phenomenon. At most 30% of them are gay I'd say. Though of course, grown adults having sex with underage prostitutes, and not like 17-year-olds who will have their own OF accounts in a month--the average age of CSE-exposed males was 15.8 years old as you can see above--is very questionable anyway, even if they are of the same orientation.

On the other hand, if there is any significant female involvement with this among the people who have sex with these teenage prostitutes, then that just completely destroys any feminist claims to teenage prostitution being a patriarchal thing evil men are abusing and traumatizing young girls with, and really, any claims to being morally superior here. Like, sure, the mere fact that boys are more likely to be teen prostitutes than girls already does a number on female victimhood claims in this domain, but feminists could still claim that foids just have nothing to do with it. It's easy to see why they would want that to be the case. If even half of the people paying these teen boys for sex are women, than there are as many women paying teen boys for sex as there are men paying teen girls for it. If even a quarter of them are women then, presuming that there are no women paying female teen prostitutes for sex and the latter have only male clients, there are half as many women as men paying teenagers of the opposite sex for, well, sex.

If this ever goes mainstream it's going to be interesting watching the public reaction to it; whether women will throw homos under the bus, whether the latter will reject the full blame and hit back at women, whether researchers will start looking at the gender of people those teens report having paid sex with, and so on.

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The analytic sample included 10 918 adult participants aged 24-34 in Wave IV

Holy fuck.
Amazing find. Crazy implications as you said. This shit is mind bending for the normie mind.

I looked thru the study and it says that being Black is also a risk factor for men but not foids with (men at p = .04 & foids at p = .30)
Same thing with living in a single-parent household & history of sexual abuse by a parent being a risk factor for men but not foids as well

Another one, Parental sexual abuse predicts CSE for males only. This is insanely counterintuitive. Most people assume it's foids that are sexually abused + they are at higher risk for later exploitation. But the study BTFO that.

What's also interesting to me is that foids parents income level doesn't affect their choices:

So this destroys the whole narrative about foids being forced into prostituion because of poverty or someshit like that. @GeckoBus also wrote about this in detail with other studies etc.

All of these shelters, anti-trafficking programs, and hotlines designed for foids are missing half the problem because of rampant misandry in human society.

@tired as fuck

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

If this ever goes mainstream it's going to be interesting watching the public reaction to it; whether women will throw homos under the bus, whether the latter will reject the full blame and hit back at women, whether researchers will start looking at the gender of people those teens report having paid sex with, and so on.

Something like this will never go mainstream, as it contradicts the narrative of female victimization that the media incessantly pushes for.

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

Something like this will never go mainstream, as it contradicts the narrative of female victimization that the media incessantly pushes for.

If people realized that young boys make up the majority of CSE cases in these metrics, the entire funding apparatus for gender-specific NGOs would collapse. They have to keep the victimhood monopoly strictly one-sided. Props to you for actually digging to pull the receipts

 

[tired as fuck]

Wtf are foids and/or fags doing to young Chads?

Commercial Sexual Exploitation During Adolescence: A US-Based National Study of Adolescent to Adult Health

Brootal. I've been thinking about what I talked about in this thread last year:

(2007 report) "the experience of selling sex was significantly more common for boys in all countries but Estonia"

The stuff I posted yesterday was admittedly pretty "water", so here's something that quite surprised me recently and which I absolutely didn't expect for a change:worryfeels::feelswhere:. Wtf:shock:? 25% of 18-year-old boys in Poland in 2007 had experiences of selling sex for money...

incels.is

And I've been really wondering whether and how much it is just an outlier. Sure, there's also stuff like this:

"In a small study of 10th grade South African adolescents, 40 percent of boys reported receiving gifts or money for sex (Frank et al., 2008)"

I see:feelswhere:. Meanwhile, the guys here would never be paid by anyone for sex, and in fact, the only way for us here to have sex is to be the ones paying, yet we share the same planet with those teens who are in the exact opposite situation. Funny how this world works, ain't...

incels.is

But that could also just be an outlier, and studies like it don't specifically focus on the prostitution itself, instead more so as another facet of overall CSA experiences. So, I've decided to look at the percentages of men and women who report ever selling sex on Google Scholar, and after adjusting it to look for relatively recent ones (2022 and later) and going through a bunch of limited and female-focused studies talking about Eastern African female prostitutes' experiences of physical violence and other stuff like that, I found this. Exactly what I was looking for, large, population-based, both genders study looking at the share of population who have ever prostituted themselves, instead of focusing solely on them from the beginning.

And the results?




View attachment 1729767View attachment 1729768

Both quantitatively and qualitatively, selling sex for drugs or money was more of an adolescent boy than an adolescent girl thing. More boys than girls reported doing so, with the difference widening with frequency, as there was a 61-39 gender split among those who did it only once, but a 71-29 split among those who did so more times.

This is so crazy, even knowing about the stuff I linked above, that I wondered whether this wasn't also catching teens who were buying sex and that was skewing this, but apparently not? The study makes it clear that what they are looking for is basically child sex trafficking, and apparently, this wasn't even an unexpected finding. The researchers specifically mention near the beginning that, contrary to both people's beliefs and previous research, CSE is twice as common among males than females. Which, if this were actually about both buyers and sellers, they wouldn't be calling it unexpected.



Insane findings with crazy implications for both homos and misandric feminists. If this is all done by homos, then, as I already talked about in the first thread I linked above, if women are justified in hating men because of prostitution and rape and whatever, as feminists claim, then this justifies homophobia and means that men are fully justified in disliking homos. The study does mention that not being hetero is a risk factor for being a teen prostitute, but even assuming that the gay boys are OK with all of that, according to the table above, only 19% of those teenage male prostitutes report ever having experienced same-sex attraction. Even assuming that this percentage will go up a bit in the future, it's hard to see there being any way for most of those boys to be gay and this thus being a mostly homo-on-homo phenomenon. At most 30% of them are gay I'd say. Though of course, grown adults having sex with underage prostitutes, and not like 17-year-olds who will have their own OF accounts in a month--the average age of CSE-exposed males was 15.8 years old as you can see above--is very questionable anyway, even if they are of the same orientation.

On the other hand, if there is any significant female involvement with this among the people who have sex with these teenage prostitutes, then that just completely destroys any feminist claims to teenage prostitution being a patriarchal thing evil men are abusing and traumatizing young girls with, and really, any claims to being morally superior here. Like, sure, the mere fact that boys are more likely to be teen prostitutes than girls already does a number on female victimhood claims in this domain, but feminists could still claim that foids just have nothing to do with it. It's easy to see why they would want that to be the case. If even half of the people paying these teen boys for sex are women, than there are as many women paying teen boys for sex as there are men paying teen girls for it. If even a quarter of them are women then, presuming that there are no women paying female teen prostitutes for sex and the latter have only male clients, there are half as many women as men paying teenagers of the opposite sex for, well, sex.

If this ever goes mainstream it's going to be interesting watching the public reaction to it; whether women will throw homos under the bus, whether the latter will reject the full blame and hit back at women, whether researchers will start looking at the gender of people those teens report having paid sex with, and so on.

Spoiler

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I am fucking crying right now because there is no fucking way that toilets are actually fucking keeping this hidden, buried under the bureaucracy of "social" """sciences""" "research", that all these young boys get abused and trafficked and exploited at these young ages, their life is forever tainted and ruined, and somehow they spin the narrative to say that only toilets are victims of such things??? I didn't think that ideological zealotry could reach these levels man.
Also, I think the whole argument on sexual attraction is actually wrong, because there's a strong correlation between getting sexually abused during youth and becoming homosexual (and also having rape fantasies but wtv not the point). So the percentage should be even lower than that.

Holy fuck.
Amazing find. Crazy implications as you said. This shit is mind bending for the normie mind.

I looked thru the study and it says that being Black is also a risk factor for men but not foids with (men at p = .04 & foids at p = .30)
Same thing with living in a single-parent household & history of sexual abuse by a parent being a risk factor for men but not foids as well

Another one, Parental sexual abuse predicts CSE for males only. This is insanely counterintuitive. Most people assume it's foids that are sexually abused + they are at higher risk for later exploitation. But the study BTFO that.

What's also interesting to me is that foids parents income level doesn't affect their choices:
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So this destroys the whole narrative about foids being forced into prostituion because of poverty or someshit like that. @GeckoBus also wrote about this in detail with other studies etc.

All of these shelters, anti-trafficking programs, and hotlines designed for foids are missing half the problem because of rampant misandry in human society.

@tired as fuck

thank you for the tag man, risked missing out on this crazy shit. Those shelters are fucking political hives, they are incubating new zealots for their wicked ideology. I'm fucking shaken, I genuinely did not expect this.

 

[veryrare]

there is no fucking way that toilets are actually fucking keeping this hidden

thank you for the tag man, risked missing out on this crazy shit. Those shelters are fucking political hives, they are incubating new zealots for their wicked ideology. I'm fucking shaken, I genuinely did not expect this.

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This thread could have been a whole book. However, books have already been written on this subject, it's just that nobody gives a fuck, for precisely the reasons these books outline. Nobody cares about men. There is a clear, verifiable bias against male victims of rape, crime, and domestic violence. This bias skews public perception of men and makes the male gender out to be the perpetual aggressor, and women the perpetual victim. Reality contradicts this.

 

[GeckoBus]

What's also interesting to me is that foids parents income level doesn't affect their choices:

women are born with inherent status, so they dont need external status boosts through money or similar shit like men. Women basically experience life with zero competition or stress compared to men.

Wtf are foids and/or fags doing to young Chads?

Commercial Sexual Exploitation During Adolescence: A US-Based National Study of Adolescent to Adult Health

Brootal. I've been thinking about what I talked about in this thread last year:

(2007 report) "the experience of selling sex was significantly more common for boys in all countries but Estonia"

The stuff I posted yesterday was admittedly pretty "water", so here's something that quite surprised me recently and which I absolutely didn't expect for a change:worryfeels::feelswhere:. Wtf:shock:? 25% of 18-year-old boys in Poland in 2007 had experiences of selling sex for money...

incels.is

And I've been really wondering whether and how much it is just an outlier. Sure, there's also stuff like this:

"In a small study of 10th grade South African adolescents, 40 percent of boys reported receiving gifts or money for sex (Frank et al., 2008)"

I see:feelswhere:. Meanwhile, the guys here would never be paid by anyone for sex, and in fact, the only way for us here to have sex is to be the ones paying, yet we share the same planet with those teens who are in the exact opposite situation. Funny how this world works, ain't...

incels.is

But that could also just be an outlier, and studies like it don't specifically focus on the prostitution itself, instead more so as another facet of overall CSA experiences. So, I've decided to look at the percentages of men and women who report ever selling sex on Google Scholar, and after adjusting it to look for relatively recent ones (2022 and later) and going through a bunch of limited and female-focused studies talking about Eastern African female prostitutes' experiences of physical violence and other stuff like that, I found this. Exactly what I was looking for, large, population-based, both genders study looking at the share of population who have ever prostituted themselves, instead of focusing solely on them from the beginning.

And the results?




View attachment 1729767View attachment 1729768

Both quantitatively and qualitatively, selling sex for drugs or money was more of an adolescent boy than an adolescent girl thing. More boys than girls reported doing so, with the difference widening with frequency, as there was a 61-39 gender split among those who did it only once, but a 71-29 split among those who did so more times.

This is so crazy, even knowing about the stuff I linked above, that I wondered whether this wasn't also catching teens who were buying sex and that was skewing this, but apparently not? The study makes it clear that what they are looking for is basically child sex trafficking, and apparently, this wasn't even an unexpected finding. The researchers specifically mention near the beginning that, contrary to both people's beliefs and previous research, CSE is twice as common among males than females. Which, if this were actually about both buyers and sellers, they wouldn't be calling it unexpected.



Insane findings with crazy implications for both homos and misandric feminists. If this is all done by homos, then, as I already talked about in the first thread I linked above, if women are justified in hating men because of prostitution and rape and whatever, as feminists claim, then this justifies homophobia and means that men are fully justified in disliking homos. The study does mention that not being hetero is a risk factor for being a teen prostitute, but even assuming that the gay boys are OK with all of that, according to the table above, only 19% of those teenage male prostitutes report ever having experienced same-sex attraction. Even assuming that this percentage will go up a bit in the future, it's hard to see there being any way for most of those boys to be gay and this thus being a mostly homo-on-homo phenomenon. At most 30% of them are gay I'd say. Though of course, grown adults having sex with underage prostitutes, and not like 17-year-olds who will have their own OF accounts in a month--the average age of CSE-exposed males was 15.8 years old as you can see above--is very questionable anyway, even if they are of the same orientation.

On the other hand, if there is any significant female involvement with this among the people who have sex with these teenage prostitutes, then that just completely destroys any feminist claims to teenage prostitution being a patriarchal thing evil men are abusing and traumatizing young girls with, and really, any claims to being morally superior here. Like, sure, the mere fact that boys are more likely to be teen prostitutes than girls already does a number on female victimhood claims in this domain, but feminists could still claim that foids just have nothing to do with it. It's easy to see why they would want that to be the case. If even half of the people paying these teen boys for sex are women, than there are as many women paying teen boys for sex as there are men paying teen girls for it. If even a quarter of them are women then, presuming that there are no women paying female teen prostitutes for sex and the latter have only male clients, there are half as many women as men paying teenagers of the opposite sex for, well, sex.

If this ever goes mainstream it's going to be interesting watching the public reaction to it; whether women will throw homos under the bus, whether the latter will reject the full blame and hit back at women, whether researchers will start looking at the gender of people those teens report having paid sex with, and so on.

Spoiler

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idk what to say anymore at this point. Absolutely crazy findings, mind blowing. Also they even publicly admit that at least 40% of trafficking perpetrators are female, which is already way higher than most people would think. I am gonna assume there is a hefty amount of bias involved as usual, so the 40% number must be an understatement and the somewhat higher male perpetrator number has to be downplayed a little, to account for pro female and anti male biases.

Overall then it seems that just like in other domains, like domestic violence and sexual coercion, men and women are at the very least matched in perpetration frequency. Interesting write up that talks about women deliberately fucking with data to suppress findings that indicate female perpetration:

https://boysmeneducation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Strauss-Concealing-and-distorting-female-DV.pdf

In this video a shield for men also cites research that women actually make up the majority of perpetrators of human trafficking (24:09):


View: https://youtu.be/Q6Zwi3MBAOs?t=1449


His source is this:

https://repository.law.uic.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1467&context=facpubs

I also want to tag @Sergeant Kelly here, because obviously this topic spills over into the RQ (rape question). The data seems to indicate that male on female rape of the violent kind is basically non-existent. It is borderline mythological, there is not even video evidence online of it. There are more videos of men being turned into tomato soup and dead babies than of violent rape of women. Looking at @The Notorious SLAV thread here it seems again that it's mostly men that suffer from these things, not women. A total inversion of what commonly believed.

If even half of the people paying these teen boys for sex are women, than there are as many women paying teen boys for sex as there are men paying teen girls for it. If even a quarter of them are women then, presuming that there are no women paying female teen prostitutes for sex and the latter have only male clients, there are half as many women as men paying teenagers of the opposite sex for, well, sex.

As I said in the other thread the other day, for both genders, "teen" is in the top three categories of porn consumed. This would include teenage boy porn then as well of course.

All of these shelters, anti-trafficking programs, and hotlines designed for foids are missing half the problem because of rampant misandry in human society.

dont be foolish, they are not missing it. They know whats going on. And we know they know because whenever people have tried to open male shelters, they were viciously attacked by female groups. Just one example:


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/1d3ubgz/30_feminist_organizations_protested_the_creation/



What this indicates to us is this: Women are actively monitoring male spaces with eagle eyes. When pro-male developments occur, they immediately do shit to undermine it. So they are not stupid or ignorant of their own biases. They think they are religious crusaders with moral high ground. You have to put yourself into the mindset of a person that thinks their group was oppressed for 1000s of years by men. From this extreme victim-hood perspective, anything is permissible. 2000 years of slavery > some homeless men. They are that insane, don't be mistaken about that.

This guy roped after years of trying to run male shelter shit with constant attacks on him:

Earl Silverman - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And there was a woman too:

Erin Pizzey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Same story: "Pizzey says that she has been the subject of death threats and boycotts because her experience and research into the issue led her to conclude that most domestic violence is reciprocal, and that women are as capable of violence as men."

So let's all thank @The Notorious SLAV for digging through scores of sewage data generated as a smoke screen by clinically insane people and unearth the unholy truth of the matter. Society is build on male exploitation, both men and women hate men and worship women, this has never been different at any point in history. Men hate themselves as much as they hate other men and women worship themselves to point of auto-erotic attraction to their own body. And men worship women to the point of self-destruction. Never forget this. This is why we cant talk to them, this is why all we get is mockery and scorn. You are arguing with religious zealots blinded by female halo, crazed lunatics with glazed eyes, not self aware humans.

 

[GeckoBus]

So this destroys the whole narrative about foids being forced into prostituion because of poverty or someshit like that. @

@GeckoBus also wrote about this in detail with other studies etc.

most prostitutes earn more than minimum wage. They easily out-earn male wage slaves. Just consider the fact that prostitutes obviously dont get paid with credit card lmfao. They get paid in gifts and cash aka, they dont pay taxes. They also work lower hours obviously, prostitutes are not out there working 8 shifts, fucking one guy after another every 30 minutes, thats ridiculous. Also, the view that prostitution is inherently harmful to women is completely based on the idea that men are disgusting and inherently toxic women somehow. It is based on the idea that women OUGHT to reject most men because most men are not WORTHY of a womans prescence. Every anti-prostitution argument assumes that sexual contact with a woman automatically must harm her.

Then you look at actual prositutes and it's the complete opposite. Men worship women. Many of these men develop crushes on prostitutes and even stripper girls. They bring them flowers and chocolate, espeically on shit like valentines day. Often times the guy pays for an hour, cooms in like 5 minutes and then cuddles with the girl for 40 minutes or they just chat. Sometimes they dont have sex at all and its just cuddling and chatting.

You can see the same pattern I mentioned in the first paragraph when it comes to arguments and outrage against AI girlfriends. Nobody cares about women extensively using AI chatbots, which they do of course. When men use AI girlfriends, you often hear them say oh, these men just want control, they tell this robot AI what to do and it does what they want etc. Notice, the inherent problem they have here is identical to prostitution - the idea that a woman actually wants to please a guy, that she wants to serve him, this is so disgusting to them, it triggers a visceral reaction in men and women alike.

They actually see women as higher creatures that always must be kept one level above men, and men are supposed to be submissive to women. I will never forget when we had this forklift driving teenage girl at my old job and I overheard people saying "she is too good for this job." She didn't do anything special, she did not excel at working the warehouse, she just existed. She'd barley been there for more than a few months for fucks sake.

Study: Managers don't want to hire beautiful people for less desirable jobs

They don't hate them because they're beautiful — it's more complicated.

www.cnbc.com

Keep in mind that women are by default seen as more attractive than men (women are the "fair sex" they used to say) so naturally, they would want to promote women to easy, higher status jobs, like HR work. And once women are in HR, their bias is amplified of course. So you get a perpetual upward motion where everyone lifts women up for no reason, up, up, up. And just like that you end up with women dominating entire industries, communities etc.

Anyway, gotta scram it's 2AM here, I am tired. When TV only had three channels they would stop broadcasting at night and play this:


View: https://youtu.be/IoL-KCFbIpA


Good Night

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

Wtf are foids and/or fags doing to young Chads?

Commercial Sexual Exploitation During Adolescence: A US-Based National Study of Adolescent to Adult Health

Brootal. I've been thinking about what I talked about in this thread last year:

(2007 report) "the experience of selling sex was significantly more common for boys in all countries but Estonia"

The stuff I posted yesterday was admittedly pretty "water", so here's something that quite surprised me recently and which I absolutely didn't expect for a change:worryfeels::feelswhere:. Wtf:shock:? 25% of 18-year-old boys in Poland in 2007 had experiences of selling sex for money...

incels.is

And I've been really wondering whether and how much it is just an outlier. Sure, there's also stuff like this:

"In a small study of 10th grade South African adolescents, 40 percent of boys reported receiving gifts or money for sex (Frank et al., 2008)"

I see:feelswhere:. Meanwhile, the guys here would never be paid by anyone for sex, and in fact, the only way for us here to have sex is to be the ones paying, yet we share the same planet with those teens who are in the exact opposite situation. Funny how this world works, ain't...

incels.is

But that could also just be an outlier, and studies like it don't specifically focus on the prostitution itself, instead more so as another facet of overall CSA experiences. So, I've decided to look at the percentages of men and women who report ever selling sex on Google Scholar, and after adjusting it to look for relatively recent ones (2022 and later) and going through a bunch of limited and female-focused studies talking about Eastern African female prostitutes' experiences of physical violence and other stuff like that, I found this. Exactly what I was looking for, large, population-based, both genders study looking at the share of population who have ever prostituted themselves, instead of focusing solely on them from the beginning.

And the results?




View attachment 1729767View attachment 1729768

Both quantitatively and qualitatively, selling sex for drugs or money was more of an adolescent boy than an adolescent girl thing. More boys than girls reported doing so, with the difference widening with frequency, as there was a 61-39 gender split among those who did it only once, but a 71-29 split among those who did so more times.

This is so crazy, even knowing about the stuff I linked above, that I wondered whether this wasn't also catching teens who were buying sex and that was skewing this, but apparently not? The study makes it clear that what they are looking for is basically child sex trafficking, and apparently, this wasn't even an unexpected finding. The researchers specifically mention near the beginning that, contrary to both people's beliefs and previous research, CSE is twice as common among males than females. Which, if this were actually about both buyers and sellers, they wouldn't be calling it unexpected.



Insane findings with crazy implications for both homos and misandric feminists. If this is all done by homos, then, as I already talked about in the first thread I linked above, if women are justified in hating men because of prostitution and rape and whatever, as feminists claim, then this justifies homophobia and means that men are fully justified in disliking homos. The study does mention that not being hetero is a risk factor for being a teen prostitute, but even assuming that the gay boys are OK with all of that, according to the table above, only 19% of those teenage male prostitutes report ever having experienced same-sex attraction. Even assuming that this percentage will go up a bit in the future, it's hard to see there being any way for most of those boys to be gay and this thus being a mostly homo-on-homo phenomenon. At most 30% of them are gay I'd say. Though of course, grown adults having sex with underage prostitutes, and not like 17-year-olds who will have their own OF accounts in a month--the average age of CSE-exposed males was 15.8 years old as you can see above--is very questionable anyway, even if they are of the same orientation.

On the other hand, if there is any significant female involvement with this among the people who have sex with these teenage prostitutes, then that just completely destroys any feminist claims to teenage prostitution being a patriarchal thing evil men are abusing and traumatizing young girls with, and really, any claims to being morally superior here. Like, sure, the mere fact that boys are more likely to be teen prostitutes than girls already does a number on female victimhood claims in this domain, but feminists could still claim that foids just have nothing to do with it. It's easy to see why they would want that to be the case. If even half of the people paying these teen boys for sex are women, than there are as many women paying teen boys for sex as there are men paying teen girls for it. If even a quarter of them are women then, presuming that there are no women paying female teen prostitutes for sex and the latter have only male clients, there are half as many women as men paying teenagers of the opposite sex for, well, sex.

If this ever goes mainstream it's going to be interesting watching the public reaction to it; whether women will throw homos under the bus, whether the latter will reject the full blame and hit back at women, whether researchers will start looking at the gender of people those teens report having paid sex with, and so on.

Spoiler

@FuckYou @The Judge @AtrociousCitizen @Hoodpreet @GeckoBus @DarkSneezer @LeFrenchCel @weaselbomber @Moth @Oneitiscel @veryrare @deleted dude @hunter x atomics @Sloth @Cybersex is our hope @RobertGarnicasAPedo

Men just sell to faggots

 

[hunter x atomics]

Wtf are foids and/or fags doing to young Chads?

Commercial Sexual Exploitation During Adolescence: A US-Based National Study of Adolescent to Adult Health

Brootal. I've been thinking about what I talked about in this thread last year:

(2007 report) "the experience of selling sex was significantly more common for boys in all countries but Estonia"

The stuff I posted yesterday was admittedly pretty "water", so here's something that quite surprised me recently and which I absolutely didn't expect for a change:worryfeels::feelswhere:. Wtf:shock:? 25% of 18-year-old boys in Poland in 2007 had experiences of selling sex for money...

incels.is

And I've been really wondering whether and how much it is just an outlier. Sure, there's also stuff like this:

"In a small study of 10th grade South African adolescents, 40 percent of boys reported receiving gifts or money for sex (Frank et al., 2008)"

I see:feelswhere:. Meanwhile, the guys here would never be paid by anyone for sex, and in fact, the only way for us here to have sex is to be the ones paying, yet we share the same planet with those teens who are in the exact opposite situation. Funny how this world works, ain't...

incels.is

But that could also just be an outlier, and studies like it don't specifically focus on the prostitution itself, instead more so as another facet of overall CSA experiences. So, I've decided to look at the percentages of men and women who report ever selling sex on Google Scholar, and after adjusting it to look for relatively recent ones (2022 and later) and going through a bunch of limited and female-focused studies talking about Eastern African female prostitutes' experiences of physical violence and other stuff like that, I found this. Exactly what I was looking for, large, population-based, both genders study looking at the share of population who have ever prostituted themselves, instead of focusing solely on them from the beginning.

And the results?




View attachment 1729767View attachment 1729768

Both quantitatively and qualitatively, selling sex for drugs or money was more of an adolescent boy than an adolescent girl thing. More boys than girls reported doing so, with the difference widening with frequency, as there was a 61-39 gender split among those who did it only once, but a 71-29 split among those who did so more times.

This is so crazy, even knowing about the stuff I linked above, that I wondered whether this wasn't also catching teens who were buying sex and that was skewing this, but apparently not? The study makes it clear that what they are looking for is basically child sex trafficking, and apparently, this wasn't even an unexpected finding. The researchers specifically mention near the beginning that, contrary to both people's beliefs and previous research, CSE is twice as common among males than females. Which, if this were actually about both buyers and sellers, they wouldn't be calling it unexpected.



Insane findings with crazy implications for both homos and misandric feminists. If this is all done by homos, then, as I already talked about in the first thread I linked above, if women are justified in hating men because of prostitution and rape and whatever, as feminists claim, then this justifies homophobia and means that men are fully justified in disliking homos. The study does mention that not being hetero is a risk factor for being a teen prostitute, but even assuming that the gay boys are OK with all of that, according to the table above, only 19% of those teenage male prostitutes report ever having experienced same-sex attraction. Even assuming that this percentage will go up a bit in the future, it's hard to see there being any way for most of those boys to be gay and this thus being a mostly homo-on-homo phenomenon. At most 30% of them are gay I'd say. Though of course, grown adults having sex with underage prostitutes, and not like 17-year-olds who will have their own OF accounts in a month--the average age of CSE-exposed males was 15.8 years old as you can see above--is very questionable anyway, even if they are of the same orientation.

On the other hand, if there is any significant female involvement with this among the people who have sex with these teenage prostitutes, then that just completely destroys any feminist claims to teenage prostitution being a patriarchal thing evil men are abusing and traumatizing young girls with, and really, any claims to being morally superior here. Like, sure, the mere fact that boys are more likely to be teen prostitutes than girls already does a number on female victimhood claims in this domain, but feminists could still claim that foids just have nothing to do with it. It's easy to see why they would want that to be the case. If even half of the people paying these teen boys for sex are women, than there are as many women paying teen boys for sex as there are men paying teen girls for it. If even a quarter of them are women then, presuming that there are no women paying female teen prostitutes for sex and the latter have only male clients, there are half as many women as men paying teenagers of the opposite sex for, well, sex.

If this ever goes mainstream it's going to be interesting watching the public reaction to it; whether women will throw homos under the bus, whether the latter will reject the full blame and hit back at women, whether researchers will start looking at the gender of people those teens report having paid sex with, and so on.

Spoiler

@FuckYou @The Judge @AtrociousCitizen @Hoodpreet @GeckoBus @DarkSneezer @LeFrenchCel @weaselbomber @Moth @Oneitiscel @veryrare @deleted dude @hunter x atomics @Sloth @Cybersex is our hope @RobertGarnicasAPedo

out of curiosity? is there any evidence relating to the types of clients that male prostitutes(both adult and teenage) are likely to get. i know its a low chance since prostitution is very illegal in most of the world but im curious to see what's the percentage on male and female clients. i know a lot of body builders report on gay dudes constantly being in there dms soliciting to buy sex from them and from what most women say they dont really purchase sex which im slightly inclined to believe since there not exactly going desperate enough to purchase

 

[hunter x atomics]

most prostitutes earn more than minimum wage. They easily out-earn male wage slaves. Just consider the fact that prostitutes obviously dont get paid with credit card lmfao. They get paid in gifts and cash aka, they dont pay taxes. They also work lower hours obviously, prostitutes are not out there working 8 shifts, fucking one guy after another every 30 minutes, thats ridiculous. Also, the view that prostitution is inherently harmful to women is completely based on the idea that men are disgusting and inherently toxic women somehow. It is based on the idea that women OUGHT to reject most men because most men are not WORTHY of a womans prescence. Every anti-prostitution argument assumes that sexual contact with a woman automatically must harm her.

Then you look at actual prositutes and it's the complete opposite. Men worship women. Many of these men develop crushes on prostitutes and even stripper girls. They bring them flowers and chocolate, espeically on shit like valentines day. Often times the guy pays for an hour, cooms in like 5 minutes and then cuddles with the girl for 40 minutes or they just chat. Sometimes they dont have sex at all and its just cuddling and chatting.

You can see the same pattern I mentioned in the first paragraph when it comes to arguments and outrage against AI girlfriends. Nobody cares about women extensively using AI chatbots, which they do of course. When men use AI girlfriends, you often hear them say oh, these men just want control, they tell this robot AI what to do and it does what they want etc. Notice, the inherent problem they have here is identical to prostitution - the idea that a woman actually wants to please a guy, that she wants to serve him, this is so disgusting to them, it triggers a visceral reaction in men and women alike.

They actually see women as higher creatures that always must be kept one level above men, and men are supposed to be submissive to women. I will never forget when we had this forklift driving teenage girl at my old job and I overheard people saying "she is too good for this job." She didn't do anything special, she did not excel at working the warehouse, she just existed. She'd barley been there for more than a few months for fucks sake.

Study: Managers don't want to hire beautiful people for less desirable jobs

They don't hate them because they're beautiful — it's more complicated.

www.cnbc.com

Keep in mind that women are by default seen as more attractive than men (women are the "fair sex" they used to say) so naturally, they would want to promote women to easy, higher status jobs, like HR work. And once women are in HR, their bias is amplified of course. So you get a perpetual upward motion where everyone lifts women up for no reason, up, up, up. And just like that you end up with women dominating entire industries, communities etc.

Anyway, gotta scram it's 2AM here, I am tired. When TV only had three channels they would stop broadcasting at night and play this:


View: https://youtu.be/IoL-KCFbIpA


Good Night

the only type of society i think can be morally consistent when it comes to having heavy restrictions towards prostitution is a society that has heavy constrictuions towards casual sex of any kind outside of marriage. but i doubt any feminists are eager to push for that world

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

out of curiosity? is there any evidence relating to the types of clients that male prostitutes(both adult and teenage) are likely to get. i know its a low chance since prostitution is very illegal in most of the world but im curious to see what's the percentage on male and female clients. i know a lot of body builders report on gay dudes constantly being in there dms soliciting to buy sex from them and from what most women say they dont really purchase sex which im slightly inclined to believe since there not exactly going desperate enough to purchase

Nothing I've seen yet, but I'd love to know this as well.

Men just sell to faggots

Quite likely, but you never know, and even a relatively small female participation would be more than anyone'd expect.

I looked thru the study and it says that being Black is also a risk factor for men but not foids with (men at p = .04 & foids at p = .30)

Same thing with living in a single-parent household & history of sexual abuse by a parent being a risk factor for men but not foids as well

Another one, Parental sexual abuse predicts CSE for males only. This is insanely counterintuitive. Most people assume it's foids that are sexually abused + they are at higher risk for later exploitation. But the study BTFO that.

Yeah, those things often get brought up to excuse sexual crimes done by foids, while men are portrayed as aggressive and dangerous by nature. Once you see how much that's applicable to men as well, not only does it turn that on its head, and it also gets rather messy, I've seen studies with all types of correlations between sexual abuse and outcomes like this for both genders, it's almost hard to make sense of sometimes.

I wonder whether the risk factors implying that male CSE is much more common in low-income black areas doesn't mean that there's male sex trafficking by gangs that was previously completely unnoticed. Though after recently being reminded how few of black-on-black murders in America are gang-related, I've gotten a bit cautious about just automatically trying to explain all of this stuff as "gang-related."

What's also interesting to me is that foids parents income level doesn't affect their choices:

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So this destroys the whole narrative about foids being forced into prostituion because of poverty or someshit like that. @GeckoBus also wrote about this in detail with other studies etc.

Yeah, it's actually a bit interesting, the pattern holds for men with decreasing amount of CSE with increasing income, but for foids, it bounces back and rebounds a bit at the highest income group.

All of these shelters, anti-trafficking programs, and hotlines designed for foids are missing half the problem because of rampant misandry in human society.

@tired as fuck

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

Should've also tagged @Misogynist Vegeta, dunno if he saw this already.

 

[ogercel]

Most prostitutes earn more than minimum wage.

As an escortcel, their wage/rate is the only industry to keep up or even beat national infaltion levels.

 

[nihilum]

Modern foids are prostitutes.

They are free prostitutes for Chad.

 

[Misogynist Vegeta]

women are born with inherent status, so they dont need external status boosts through money or similar shit like men. Women basically experience life with zero competition or stress compared to men.


idk what to say anymore at this point. Absolutely crazy findings, mind blowing. Also they even publicly admit that at least 40% of trafficking perpetrators are female, which is already way higher than most people would think. I am gonna assume there is a hefty amount of bias involved as usual, so the 40% number must be an understatement and the somewhat higher male perpetrator number has to be downplayed a little, to account for pro female and anti male biases.

Overall then it seems that just like in other domains, like domestic violence and sexual coercion, men and women are at the very least matched in perpetration frequency. Interesting write up that talks about women deliberately fucking with data to suppress findings that indicate female perpetration:

https://boysmeneducation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Strauss-Concealing-and-distorting-female-DV.pdf

In this video a shield for men also cites research that women actually make up the majority of perpetrators of human trafficking (24:09):


View: https://youtu.be/Q6Zwi3MBAOs?t=1449


His source is this:

https://repository.law.uic.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1467&context=facpubs

I also want to tag @Sergeant Kelly here, because obviously this topic spills over into the RQ (rape question). The data seems to indicate that male on female rape of the violent kind is basically non-existent. It is borderline mythological, there is not even video evidence online of it. There are more videos of men being turned into tomato soup and dead babies than of violent rape of women. Looking at @The Notorious SLAV thread here it seems again that it's mostly men that suffer from these things, not women. A total inversion of what commonly believed.


As I said in the other thread the other day, for both genders, "teen" is in the top three categories of porn consumed. This would include teenage boy porn then as well of course.


dont be foolish, they are not missing it. They know whats going on. And we know they know because whenever people have tried to open male shelters, they were viciously attacked by female groups. Just one example:


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/1d3ubgz/30_feminist_organizations_protested_the_creation/



What this indicates to us is this: Women are actively monitoring male spaces with eagle eyes. When pro-male developments occur, they immediately do shit to undermine it. So they are not stupid or ignorant of their own biases. They think they are religious crusaders with moral high ground. You have to put yourself into the mindset of a person that thinks their group was oppressed for 1000s of years by men. From this extreme victim-hood perspective, anything is permissible. 2000 years of slavery > some homeless men. They are that insane, don't be mistaken about that.

This guy roped after years of trying to run male shelter shit with constant attacks on him:

Earl Silverman - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And there was a woman too:

Erin Pizzey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Same story: "Pizzey says that she has been the subject of death threats and boycotts because her experience and research into the issue led her to conclude that most domestic violence is reciprocal, and that women are as capable of violence as men."

So let's all thank @The Notorious SLAV for digging through scores of sewage data generated as a smoke screen by clinically insane people and unearth the unholy truth of the matter. Society is build on male exploitation, both men and women hate men and worship women, this has never been different at any point in history. Men hate themselves as much as they hate other men and women worship themselves to point of auto-erotic attraction to their own body. And men worship women to the point of self-destruction. Never forget this. This is why we cant talk to them, this is why all we get is mockery and scorn. You are arguing with religious zealots blinded by female halo, crazed lunatics with glazed eyes, not self aware humans.

Bookmarked, I wish I could force to whole world to read this so they can see how evil feminists can be.

 

[Misogynist Vegeta]

Should've also tagged @Misogynist Vegeta, dunno if he saw this already.

Good read, probably wouldn't have seen this without the tag.

 

[ActualTruecel]

I'd assume most of those dudes selling sex for money are just drug addicts if not gay, cant imagine being that desperate for cash that u fuck dudes.

 

[FoidsEnshittifyAll]

foids are absolutely perverted and pedo..... for Chad.

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

His source is this:

https://repository.law.uic.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1467&context=facpubs

A pretty informative paragraph at page 16:

For instance, as Patricia Pearson explains, "[w]omen commit the majority of child homicides in the United States, a greater share of physical child abuse, an equal rate of sibling violence and assaults on the elderly, about a quarter of child sex[] abuse, an overwhelming share of the killings of newborns, and a fair preponderance of spousal assaults."63 Ronald Flowers observes that women comprise the "majority of terrorist group members"' in the United States, and "have consistently proved themselves more ferocious and more intractable in these acts than their male counterparts. There is a cold rage about some of them that even the most alienated of men seem quite incapable of emulating."6 5 Lovisa Stannow points out that in male youth detention centers, "among the boys who were sexually abused in custody, more than nine in ten were [sexually] victimized by female staff.""

 

[Peroz Shapur]

I imagine this is a study done in the slums where this type of stuff happens more often than in 99% of the world.