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Unlike normies, Incels have no contractual obligation to society

shii410

shii410

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this site and subculture in general has recently been receiving a lot of scrutiny from normies so I felt like now would be a good time to say this

As an inevitable consequence of the nature of human society and power dynamics, there are always going to be men who are ostracized by little or no fault of their own. In recent history, we’ve come to see an identity form around this phenomenon on a wider scale in the form of “incel culture”. Normies typically try to discard or downplay our existence through some variant of the “just world” fallacy, but anyone who actually stops to think about it for a moment will be able to see past that.

An archetypal abusive bully has all the traits needed to be succeed socially and sexually and generally be respected by society, while a meek autist has none of them. This same principle can be applied to countless other dynamics (attractive vs ugly, rich vs poor, etc), and the end result is the same: a demographic of incels. Ostracized, lonely men who are unable to meet society’s standards, no matter how arbitrary, unfair or backwards they are.

It’s true: the world isn’t fair, and you need to get over it. Concepts like “fairness” and “equity” are just words in the face of human nature and power. Normie society fundamentally has no reason to treat incels with any dignity or respect. This is not an issue of “morality” like some may try to frame it as. In terms of normie power dynamics, abusive psychopaths like Jeremy Meeks ARE owed respect due to their affluent status, dominant/controlling nature and physical attractiveness; the important difference is that incels lack any “capital” in this sense. Normies perceive the world in a completely superficial and Machiavellian way, and in that world, incels have no value.

The important thing is that you remember IT WORKS THE OTHER WAY AROUND. Incels have no reason to respect the worldview, social hierarchy, or superficial “morality” enforced by normies. In a sense, incels are the “outlaws” of human social conventions. As someone who is ostracized by society, you do not need to play by their rules. You don’t HAVE to see things the way they do, or conform to their system of power dynamics. Unlike normies, incels have NO contractual obligation to society.

Normies are willing to accept these conditions and subject themselves to these kinds of power dynamics because they expect society to “fulfill their end of the deal” in return for conformity (by rewarding them with sex, social affluence etc). YOU DO NOT. You should never allow yourself to be compromised by conditional terms that DO NOT APPLY TO YOU.

tldr; the system owes incels nothing and doesn’t care if it makes them suffer, incels owe the system nothing and shouldn’t care if they make it suffer
 
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Normies walk a path into damnation. If they don't extend help to incels, they may not receive it themselves when they are in need
 
I will go one step further.

There is no objective morality. The only way we have "objective" morality is if there is a god. We can't prove if God exists and if so which God?

All morality is subjective, "good" is something to your advantage, and "evil" is just a perceived disadvantage.

Perception is just bias.

We agree theft of private property is wrong because we need to keep social cohesion, but theft via inflation or taxation is okay because most people vote for it? Morality is a LARP.

Don't break the law (justice & the law is a good example of the separation between ideals and real-life execution) in order to end up in jail but whenever some normie faggot talks about ethics or morals in today's secular society? Those people are the retards.
 
Yes, nothing about society's morals matters to us because we were marginalized from it
I will go one step further.

There is no objective morality. The only way we have "objective" morality is if there is a god. We can't prove if God exists and if so which God?

All morality is subjective, "good" is something to your advantage, and "evil" is just a perceived disadvantage.

Perception is just bias.

We agree theft of private property is wrong because we need to keep social cohesion, but theft via inflation or taxation is okay because most people vote for it? Morality is a LARP.

Don't break the law (justice & the law is a good example of the separation between ideals and real-life execution) in order to end up in jail but whenever some normie faggot talks about ethics or morals in today's secular society? Those people are the retards.
In most primitive tribes cannibalism was morally accepted.
 
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I think I know who posted this
 
Incels are the proletarians of sex
 
Normies say dumb shit like, "this makes incels look bad"... Give me a break - we always look bad, that is why we can't get laid.
 
Factual. When we've been kicked around, ostracized, mistreated, bullied, and neglected by society, when they've all made it clear under no uncertain terms that we are unwelcome because we are "unclean," meaning we're ugly, short, autistic, whatever, then we don't owe them a damn thing. When someone believes the kicked dog owes its abusive owner anything but hatred and derision, then they're a delusional monster.
 
Normies say dumb shit like, "this makes incels look bad"... Give me a break - we always look bad, that is why we can't get laid.
it's not like we were born blackpill, we became and were ostracized up to here
 
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High IQ.

If normies think its moral and acceptable that I die alone, I will continue to think that its moral and acceptable to celebrate when they die or are subject to excessive sexual violence.
 
If normie soyciety get pleasure from our suffering, why should we care when they die? Obviously everyone will die at some point.

Men/incels are dying by suicide in such large numbers, meanwhile they just shrug their shoulders or celebrate with joy.

Now with Plymouth & Taliban, they get up in arms about it and declare us as "the bad guys".

Fuck these hypocritical bastards. I can't wait for the world, especially the West, to fucking collapse and die.
 
High IQ.

If normies think its moral and acceptable that I die alone, I will continue to think that its moral and acceptable to celebrate when they die or are subject to excessive sexual violence.
Tit for tat. And the normie mantra of "treat others how you want to be treated." Well, look at how they've treated the "others," or us: poorly. Well, that means they want to be treated poorly.
 
Factual. When we've been kicked around, ostracized, mistreated, bullied, and neglected by society, when they've all made it clear under no uncertain terms that we are unwelcome because we are "unclean," meaning we're ugly, short, autistic, whatever, then we don't owe them a damn thing. When someone believes the kicked dog owes its abusive owner anything but hatred and derision, then they're a delusional monster.
Indeed. Is the reaction of some incels all that suprising? Do you think years upon hears of isolation, mockery, rejection and loneliness have no effect on even the strongest minds?

Negative feedbacks-> hate and bitterness

But normies instantly assume that
Hate and bitterness->negative feedbacks


This is not a chicken-egg dillema. Every hate and bitterness begins with a lot of negative feedback.
 
But normies instantly assume that
Hate and bitterness->negative feedbacks
This is what they don't understand, because they're so ingrained in their ridiculous "just world" beliefs. Hatred is not born out of a vacuum. It has to come about due to external influences. We are as much a product of our genetics, as we are a product of our life experiences. And when those experiences are soured by the shallow prejudices of others, you get resentment and hatred.
 
I will go one step further.

There is no objective morality. The only way we have "objective" morality is if there is a god. We can't prove if God exists and if so which God?

All morality is subjective, "good" is something to your advantage, and "evil" is just a perceived disadvantage.

Perception is just bias.

We agree theft of private property is wrong because we need to keep social cohesion, but theft via inflation or taxation is okay because most people vote for it? Morality is a LARP.

Don't break the law (justice & the law is a good example of the separation between ideals and real-life execution) in order to end up in jail but whenever some normie faggot talks about ethics or morals in today's secular society? Those people are the retards.
Even if god existed, which it doesn't, we still wouldn't possess objective morality. We'd still just be following the dictates and orders of another being. All that's been done in that scenario is the chain of command has been kicked up (or down depending on perspective) a few steps.

Also, there are arguments to be made for an objective morality. Essentially it revolves around a worldview where one takes steps to allow individual freedoms while diminishing harm in turn (that's a simplification).
 
I will go one step further.

There is no objective morality. The only way we have "objective" morality is if there is a god. We can't prove if God exists and if so which God?

All morality is subjective, "good" is something to your advantage, and "evil" is just a perceived disadvantage.

Perception is just bias.

We agree theft of private property is wrong because we need to keep social cohesion, but theft via inflation or taxation is okay because most people vote for it? Morality is a LARP.

Don't break the law (justice & the law is a good example of the separation between ideals and real-life execution) in order to end up in jail but whenever some normie faggot talks about ethics or morals in today's secular society? Those people are the retards.
Morality is there to.make the
[UWSL]lesser stay docile and weak , law Just helps with that so you Dont ACT out[/UWSL]
 
Even if god existed, which it doesn't, we still wouldn't possess objective morality. We'd still just be following the dictates and orders of another being. All that's been done in that scenario is the chain of command has been kicked up (or down depending on perspective) a few steps.

Also, there are arguments to be made for an objective morality. Essentially, it revolves around a worldview where one takes steps to allow individual freedoms while diminishing harm (that's a simplification).
If God existed, there would be an argument for objective morality, "because God said so". Which is pretty much every traditional conservative standpoint for morality.

I disagree, worldviews are subjective, therefore you cannot have objectivity if your foundation is subjective. The arguments around freedom are good in theory and I agree in most cases, but to people who don't value freedom over equality (the vast majority of the normies), they can justify the natural law as evil because it is unfair. The majority makes the morality of society, which I beg, will never be objective. You need the power to enforce natural law, which requires, well, you know, actions that will never happen.

Of course, here, I define objective "morality" as winner takes all, free competition based on the hierarchical structure of nature, but people are self-interested and won't adopt a strategy where they cannot use groups to achieve their ends.

You can, of course, believe in a worldview and act on that but our system doesn't support objectivity because people are incapable of being 100% objective. We just have to make choices in the real world, unfortunately.

Morality is there to.make the
[UWSL]lesser stay docile and weak , law Just helps with that so you Dont ACT out[/UWSL]

True, it is the only thing standing between someone stealing your property and you stealing someone else's property. But of course, it is not applied equally, because the western world is already a socialist shithole with a caste system.
 
Why does this silly inkwells after years of being treated like shit hate people and don't obey social dynamics? They must have bad personalities :feelstastyman: :feelstastyman::feelstastyman: People with good personalities let others shit on them and never fight back obviously. :feelstastyman::feelstastyman:

Indeed. Is the reaction of some incels all that suprising? Do you think years upon hears of isolation, mockery, rejection and loneliness have no effect on even the strongest minds?

Negative feedbacks-> hate and bitterness

But normies instantly assume that
Hate and bitterness->negative feedbacks


This is not a chicken-egg dillema. Every hate and bitterness begins with a lot of negative feedback.
100% agree.
This is not a chicken-egg dilema
[UWSL]Egg was first though:feelsEhh::feelsEhh::feelsEhh:[/UWSL]

Normies say dumb shit like, "this makes incels look bad"... Give me a break - we always look bad, that is why we can't get laid.
Truth has been spoken.
If normies think its moral and acceptable that I die alone, I will continue to think that its moral and acceptable to celebrate when they die or are subject to excessive sexual violence.
Based
 
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If God existed, there would be an argument for objective morality, "because God said so". Which is pretty much every traditional conservative standpoint for morality.

I disagree, worldviews are subjective, therefore you cannot have objectivity if your foundation is subjective. The arguments around freedom are good in theory and I agree in most cases, but to people who don't value freedom over equality (the vast majority of the normies), they can justify the natural law as evil because it is unfair. The majority makes the morality of society, which I beg, will never be objective. You need the power to enforce natural law, which requires, well, you know, actions that will never happen.

Of course, here, I define objective "morality" as winner takes all, free competition based on the hierarchical structure of nature, but people are self-interested and won't adopt a strategy where they cannot use groups to achieve their ends.

You can, of course, believe in a worldview and act on that but our system doesn't support objectivity because people are incapable of being 100% objective. We just have to make choices in the real world, unfortunately.



True, it is the only thing standing between someone stealing your property and you stealing someone else's property. But of course, it is not applied equally, because the western world is already a socialist shithole with a caste system.

Right. The claim we have objective morality if a God existed is ultimately because 'he said so'. Which, I already debunked and yet you repeated again. It doesn't matter if a God existed or not, the argument is literally no different than another other despot/leader/dictator telling you want to do. This still does not in any way make it 'objective' morality. No more than if a gang leader or the mafia enforced dictates on me by threat of violence. I am compelled to obey should I value my well being but that doesn't mean its the 'objectively moral' action to take at all. This is special pleading.

Worldviews are subjective. I don't know why I used that term. That's actually not what the secular argument entails regarding objective morality. It more concerns measurable results on other people, which is objective.
 
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based thread. good reading it.
 
Right. The claim we have objective morality if a God existed is ultimately because 'he said so'. Which, I already debunked and yet you repeated again. It doesn't matter if a God existed or not, the argument is literally no different than another other despot/leader/dictator telling you want to do. This still does not in any way make it 'objective' morality. No more than if a gang leader or the mafia enforced dictates on me by threat of violence. I am compelled to obey should I value my well being but that doesn't mean its the 'objectively moral' action to take at all. This is special pleading.

Worldviews are subjective. I don't know why I used that term. That's actually not what the secular argument entails regarding objective morality. It more concerns measurable results on other people, which is objective.
Oh, my bad, I agree. I just don't think it is feasible.
 
a normal thread from @shii410 ?

:feelsmage::feelsaww:
 
tldr; the system owes incels nothing and doesn’t care if it makes them suffer, incels owe the system nothing and shouldn’t care if they make it suffer
High IQ. Incels need to look out for themselves. The main thing they should focus on is securing the best existence for themself, even if it causes some members of society some inconvenience. As long as they don't break laws and end up in jail, they are doing what's proper.
 

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