Traditionalism and monogamy won't help you

[Deleted member 10531]

So many people in this site are always claiming how great everything would be, if the world would just be monogamous. 1 man, 1 woman, no more.

Just because she is only with a single guy, that doesn't mean it would be you.

Women will always lust after Chad, they won't settle for a 3/10 just because "oh well, gotta protect the nation and the tradition", she will ALWAYS desire Chad cock, regardless of whether we live in some anarchist feminist commune, in the re-incarnation of Nazi Germany, or whatever else. She won't get down on her knees and blow you, just because it would be illegal to be polygamous, she will always fuck Chad, and Chad only, and if she won't fuck Chad, she won't fuck anyone else. And even if she would, she would still not enjoy it, not put any contribution towards it, and just lay still and dead in a room with the lights off, thinking about Chad.

 

[KvltWarrior98]

Well, in case you cannot agree with the best option we have (and which history has proven it works on a civilizational level), tell me what other solution fo you have to create the sexual market more fair?

We impose regulations, we get back to how society worked way back then, and hope for the best. It is still a better alternative than suffer trough untamed human nature, at least the way I see it.

 

[MisterMeme]

its OVER

 

[idkwattodowithlife]

We're past the stage of traditionalism/patriarchy, they're all just a fantasy cope, and we're not going come back to it. Most of our problems is deep-rooted in Lookism, not only you want the girl, but you want the "validation" that comes with it. The only viable realistic and practical solution we have right now is looksmaxxing.

 

[11gaijin]

High IQ. Monogamy is cope. Cultural restrictions can't defeat biology

 

[RodgersSecondAdvent]

Bluepilled fool. It's in a woman's biology to lust for apex men but that is not an argument to give up on civilized life or do you want humans to become like gorillas?

It's exactly because of these degenerate tendencies of foids that they need to be put on a leash and coarsely disciplined. This is why monogamy existed in the first place. Go live in the jungle if you place so much importance on your primitive cravings.

 

[Phaoni]

So many people in this site are always claiming how great everything would be, if the world would just be monogamous. 1 man, 1 woman, no more.

Just because she is only with a single guy, that doesn't mean it would be you.

Women will always lust after Chad, they won't settle for a 3/10 just because "oh well, gotta protect the nation and the tradition", she will ALWAYS desire Chad cock, regardless of whether we live in some anarchist feminist commune, in the re-incarnation of Nazi Germany, or whatever else. She won't get down on her knees and blow you, just because it would be illegal to be polygamous, she will always fuck Chad, and Chad only, and if she won't fuck Chad, she won't fuck anyone else. And even if she would, she would still not enjoy it, not put any contribution towards it, and just lay still and dead in a room with the lights off, thinking about Chad.

OH REALLY?

Bluepilled fool. It's in a woman's biology to lust for apex men but that is not an argument to give up on civilized life or do you want humans to become like gorillas?

It's exactly because of these degenerate tendencies of foids that they need to be put on a leash and coarsely disciplined. This is why monogamy existed in the first place. Go live in the jungle if you place so much importance on your primitive cravings.

We should only enforce monogamy through cultural norms. Other options are immoral (unless you know something creative I've never read)

 

[VisVoi]

Simple, remove the welfare state also.
If females can't all crowd around Chad and also cannot just be premaritally impregnated by Chad then collect child benefit, she will be forced to marry some provider.

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

Fuck

OH REALLY?



We should only enforce monogamy through cultural norms. Other options are immoral (unless you know something creative I've never read)

fuck morailty it only helps females

 

[armis]

Traditionalism is just an alt-right cope, Varg is a Chad.

 

[monkeyman]

High IQ, fello

Simple, remove the welfare state also.
If females can't all crowd around Chad and also cannot just be premaritally impregnated by Chad then collect child benefit, she will be forced to marry some provider.

It doesn't bother you that foids aren't really attracted to providers?

 

[Deleted member 10531]

Bluepilled fool. It's in a woman's biology to lust for apex men but that is not an argument to give up on civilized life or do you want humans to become like gorillas?

It's exactly because of these degenerate tendencies of foids that they need to be put on a leash and coarsely disciplined. This is why monogamy existed in the first place. Go live in the jungle if you place so much importance on your primitive cravings.

I didn't say we should "give up civilized life", you absolute moron. Nor did I "place so much importance on my primitive cravings". If you would actually take the time to read my post properly, you would see, that I didn't actually advocate for/against anything. I responded to every incel who claims that their inceldom is due to "feminism" or "polygamy", and inceldom wouldn't exist in traditionalism. By reading that post, you can not know my political opinions in the slightest, just my opinion on incels who think that traditionalism would end inceldom.

Well, in case you cannot agree with the best option we have (and which history has proven it works on a civilizational level), tell me what other solution fo you have to create the sexual market more fair?

We impose regulations, we get back to how society worked way back then, and hope for the best. It is still a better alternative than suffer trough untamed human nature, at least the way I see it.

The only way to make the sexual market fair, would be to kill all Chads, Chadlites and incels, to the point where everyone would be 4.5-6/10, and even that would only last for sometime, due to the fact that women have different genetic value. The market is never fair, in anything.

 

[Fontaine]

We're past the stage of traditionalism/patriarchy, they're all just a fantasy cope, and we're not going come back to it. Most of our problems is deep-rooted in Lookism, not only you want the girl, but you want the "validation" that comes with it. The only viable realistic and practical solution we have right now is looksmaxxing.

 

[WarriorSkull]

High IQ. Monogamy is cope. Cultural restrictions can't defeat biology

There is nothing biological about the pill or social media or any fucking thing in our 100% plastic civilization. You already live a complete engineered and synthetic world. You don't have the first fucking clue what is "natural" or "biological".

 

[RodgersSecondAdvent]

I didn't say we should "give up civilized life", you absolute moron. Nor did I "place so much importance on my primitive cravings". If you would actually take the time to read my post properly, you would see, that I didn't actually advocate for/against anything. I responded to every incel who claims that their inceldom is due to "feminism" or "polygamy", and inceldom wouldn't exist in traditionalism. By reading that post, you can not know my political opinions in the slightest, just my opinion on incels who think that traditionalism would end inceldom.

The only way to make the sexual market fair, would be to kill all Chads, Chadlites and incels, to the point where everyone would be 4.5-6/10, and even that would only last for sometime, due to the fact that women have different genetic value. The market is never fair, in anything.

Inceldom is exacerbated by feminism and polygamy. I've never seen anyone claim that traditionalism would provide a woman for every male up until the last one. That is Utopian thinking. It's easy to make a strong argument against that, so it follows I didn't assume you were dumb enough to genuinely believe anyone's advocating for what is obviously the impossible.

 

[Robtical]

Simple, remove the welfare state also.
If females can't all crowd around Chad and also cannot just be premaritally impregnated by Chad then collect child benefit, she will be forced to marry some provider.

 

[Limerencel]

True.

 

[VisVoi]

High IQ, fello



It doesn't bother you that foids aren't really attracted to providers?

I don't really care about attraction when it comes to marriage because I don't believe in love.

So long as I had authority over her (in other words, so long as I lived in a patriarchal system), I would not mind providing. The reason that providing is cuckoldry in the modern world is because:

• The husband cannot control his wife's behaviour at all, lest he be labelled an abuser
• The wife can cheat on the husband with no consequences whatsoever
• The wife can divorce the husband at any time and take his wealth and children in the process

 

[VolcelGOD]

Traditionalist (non-w*ite) monogamy is fine if you go ER in a sense of acquiring fat stacks. Imagine being a member of a religious caste and just choosing what bronze age pussy will your goons bring you to your harem today. Any village girl will slob on your knob to the end of times only if it implies an escape from poverty, starvation and hard labour.

 

[Deleted member 10531]

Inceldom is exacerbated by feminism and polygamy. I've never seen anyone claim that traditionalism would provide a woman for every male up until the last one. That is Utopian thinking. It's easy to make a strong argument against that, so it follows I didn't assume you were dumb enough to genuinely believe anyone's advocating for what is obviously the impossible.

Inceldom is not exacerbated by feminism and polygamy, because inceldom is not about sex, it's about attraction, and women will ALWAYS be attracted to certain types of men (aka Chad), just because you would have a wife would not mean that you aren't an incel. If you have never seen the argument that if we would be to live in traditionalism, there would not be incels, then that's on you.

 

[mentalcel]

If you were 4/10 and have a job you would marry a women 20 years ago. It is that simple. Monogamy is a very legit solution. Women should marry a good guy sit at home and take care of kids, not fuck around with "fuck boys" in their teenage years and look for someone to settle in their 40s. This degenerate culture is sick. We have to go back to old days.

 

[Opus132]

Varg is a Chad.

He is also a murderer, which makes him giga Chad.

Traditionalism would guarantee you would get your looksmatch so long as you put the work to contribute to society. Wouldn't help the truly sub-human ones, but it's better than nothing, and less chance of women sleeping behind your back and no chance of divorce and court rape.

Traditional cultures also offered venues to check out from society, such as monasticism. That's essentially socially sanctioned NEEtism. You wouldn't get women but you'd get a chance to work on your own spiritual needs in peace.

People who think incels would get prime Stacies under a traditional culture are deluded, but those cultures would still be a net benefit to most here.

 

[RodgersSecondAdvent]

Inceldom is not exacerbated by feminism and polygamy, because inceldom is not about sex, it's about attraction, and women will ALWAYS be attracted to certain types of men (aka Chad), just because you would have a wife would not mean that you aren't an incel. If you have never seen the argument that if we would be to live in traditionalism, there would not be incels, then that's on you.

Yes, it is. The more sexual freedom you give women to pursue their natural sexual strategies, the more men become sexually starved unless they rape. So in a civilsation that allows the former, the latter option is naturally unavailable(law enforcement) therefore inceldom among men increases. Look at the statistics from Norway, one of the most "progressive" countries. The gap between the amount biological fathers and biological mothers has been ever widening starting from the sexual revolution with the number of biological fathers shrinking while the number of biological mothers remains constant.

A woman's sexual strategy is hypergamy. They look for the highest quality seed for their offspring to inherit because they are the limiting agent when it comes to reproduction plus it puts far more strain on them because they have to carry a child for 9 months and then raise them. If feminism fully lets women to their devices then you finally have a minority of men, the apex men who will more or less monopolize the sexual market. Monogamy was installed to curb this in order to engender stronger male cooperation for building complexer societies ending up in civilisations. Civilisations have always been characterized by stronger sexual restrictions when checked again more primitive societies.

You are wrong, inceldom is about more than being purely lusted at. Having a relationship built on lust aone is short-lived and unstable yet most incels long for long term monogamous companionship. Such a thing demands commitment, love and being a moral person.

If you have never seen the argument that if we would be to live in traditionalism, there would not be incels, then that's on you.

Read my comment again, you brainlet. No one assumes a Utopia, only you do.

 

[Deleted member 10531]

Yes, it is. The more sexual freedom you give women to pursue their natural sexual strategies, the more men become sexually starved unless they rape. So in a society that allows both, the last option is mostly unavailable therefore inceldom among men increases. Look at the statistics from Norway, one of the most "progressive" countries. The gap between the amount biological fathers and biological mothers has been ever widening starting from the sexual revolution with the number of biological fathers shrinking while the number of biological mothers remains constant.

A woman's sexual strategy is hypergamy. They look for the highest quality seed for their offspring to inherit because they are the limiting agent when it comes to reproduction plus it puts far more strain on them because they have to carry a child for 9 months and then raise them. If feminism fully lets women to their devices then you finally have a minority of men, the apex men who will more or less monopolize the sexual market. Monogamy was installed to curb this in order to engender stronger male cooperation for building complexer societies ending up in civilisations. Civilisations have always been characterized by stronger sexual restrictions when checked again more primitive societies.

You are wrong, inceldom is about more than being purely lusted at. Having a relationship built is short-lived and unstable yet most incels long for long term monogamous companionship.



Read my comment again, you brainlet. No one assumes a Utopia, only you do.

You can't be serious.

And before you come screeching "hurrrrrrrrr that's not an argument" with your 900 IQ debate skills, I know that.

 

[Profligate]

If you were 4/10 and have a job you would marry a women 20 years ago. It is that simple. Monogamy is a very legit solution. Women should marry a good guy sit at home and take care of kids, not fuck around with "fuck boys" in their teenage years and look for someone to settle in their 40s. This degenerate culture is sick. We have to go back to old days.

 

[Deleted member 10531]

If you were 4/10 and have a job you would marry a women 20 years ago. It is that simple. Monogamy is a very legit solution. Women should marry a good guy sit at home and take care of kids, not fuck around with "fuck boys" in their teenage years and look for someone to settle in their 40s. This degenerate culture is sick. We have to go back to old days.

Just because she marries you, doesn't mean you aren't an incel anymore, monogamy is inevitably hypergamy for women, they will only marry your wallet, they don't give a fuck about you. 4/10 isn't that bad either, that's not even incel-tier.

 

[Profligate]

Just because she marries you, doesn't mean you aren't an incel anymore, monogamy is inevitably hypergamy for women, they will only marry your wallet, they don't give a fuck about you. 4/10 isn't that bad either, that's not even incel-tier.

Extra chromosome level iq.

 

[itneverbegun]

I have an unpopular opinion:

The problem: Hypergamy
It happens to women but not to men. Meaning that while we all would rather fuck Stacy, we are ok fucking our looksmatch and somewhat bellow.
Women will only fuck 1 or 2 tiers above and rarely their looksmatch.

One of the causes of female hypergamy is that men like to fuck. We get horny and we'll go for an easy win sometimes (not us incel but regular men in general) and thus this feeds women's egos. A 5/10 Becky will rate herself at a 7 because she fucks chadlites regularly.

Do you think that if women had the same sexdrive as men, they'd fuck below as well? I often think of this.
Of all the feminism bullshit the only thing I tend to agree is to liberate femoids sexually. Because right now they repress themselves to the point that they will ignore their sexual urges for their looksmatch but can't control themselves around Chad.

Maybe it's a little but Idk

 

[Opus132]

One of the causes of female hypergamy is that men like to fuck.

Controlling the sexuality of women controls the sexuality of men as well. Chad or Chad-lite will often lower their standards for a quick one and that will create the delusion in average women they can get the best men. In a society in which sexual promiscuity is frowned upon, that wouldn't happen. Remember, there was a time when if Chad were to make a Becky pregnant, he was forced to marry her. Now he is free to just leave her to deal with the kid on her own and the option of abortion is always there.

There's an Italian film called I Vitelloni by renowned Italian filmmaker Federico Fellini which was an eye opener for me, not the least because it shows that the "sexual revolution" (among other ills) was preceded by years of sexual license already, but it was only during the 60s that it met societal approval (thanks to propaganda in the media). One of the protagonists of the film is a complete libertine who relies on his good looks to have random encounters with women, but through out the film, he routinely falls victim of the consequences of his actions, since the society around him simply didn't accept that behavior. By the 60s, that stuff became normal and nowadays nothing happens to promiscuous Chads, no societal consequences for him whatsoever.

 

[mentalcel]

Controlling the sexuality of women controls the sexuality of men as well. Chad or Chad-lite will often lower their standards for a quick one and that will create the delusion in average women they can get the best men. In a society in which sexual promiscuity is frowned upon, that wouldn't happen. Remember, there was a time when if Chad were to make a Becky pregnant, he was forced to marry her. Now he is free to just leave her to deal with the kid on her own and the option of abortion is always there.

There's an Italian film called I Vitelloni by renowned Italian filmmaker Federico Fellini which was an eye opener for me, not the least because it shows that the "sexual revolution" (among other ills) was preceded by years of sexual license already, but it was only during the 60s that it met societal approval (thanks to propaganda in the media). One of the protagonists of the film is a complete libertine who relies on his good looks to have random encounters with women, but through out the film, he routinely falls victim of the consequences of his actions, since the society around him simply didn't accept that behavior. By the 60s, that stuff became normal and nowadays nothing happens to promiscuous Chads, no societal consequences for him whatsoever.

If you create a monogamous culture then it is not that easy for chad to just sleep with random women because he knows that he will be punished by society for that or husband of the woman might even kill him. It is considered as a serious crime if society deems monogamy as the norm and someone does against it. This sytem would not assure you to get the best women but at least it would be very probably to get a looks match/status match and less men would be incels.

 

[GIGALUL]

isaac newton tier IQ

 

[Fontaine]

Traditional cultures also offered venues to check out from society, such as monasticism. That's essentially socially sanctioned NEEtism.

If only. In truth, monasteries are regimented in an almost military manner and you have to work/pray quite hard every day. That's for the Roman Catholic monasteries in Western Europe, elsewhere standards may be more relaxed.

One of the protagonists of the film is a complete libertine who relies on his good looks to have random encounters with women, but through out the film, he routinely falls victim of the consequences of his actions, since the society around him simply didn't accept that behavior. By the 60s, that stuff became normal and nowadays nothing happens to promiscuous Chads, no societal consequences for him whatsoever.

To be honest, sexual libertinage is still looked down upon by society despite decades of propaganda from Hollywood and now Netflix. Only teenagers somewhat think a playboy lifestyle is cool and respectable. In the first place because the masses instinctively understand the blackpill ; they instinctively know that in a real sexual free market where loyalty to partner is non-existent, things would be complete hell for 90%. There is still a tacit contract in couples that spells: "if you want to leave me, we can talk about it, but don't do it behind my back".

Merely nitpicking a few things. Otherwise your posts are extremely enjoyable, members like you elevate the average iq on this forum.

 

[Opus132]

If only. In truth, monasteries are regimented in an almost military manner and you have to work/pray quite hard every day. That's for the Roman Catholic monasteries in Western Europe, elsewhere standards may be more relaxed

I think that's for the best. Of course, i'm a Godcel, and i believe the power of sexuality lies in the fact it can lead, under the right conditions, to a brief realization of the Absolute, which can serve as a temporary existential "respite" from the fundamental meaninglessness of life when only earthly experiences are considered. I don't have time to go into details on this right now, but suffice to say that indeed, much of the suffering incels go through owns in my view to the fact earthly pleasures are all relative and ephemeral, and thus ultimately unfulfilling. The term "copes" is a correct one. Earthly pleasures are basically "distractions" that are used to escape from the crushing awareness of one's own finite and limited nature. For most normal people, "sexuality" (in the more loftier sense) is a means to escape from this finite and limited mode of existence, possibly the only one available to the majority of normal people. It's a brief respite, but one that is sufficient to quench this thirst for the infinite for at least a time.

Thus, if you have to renounce sexuality, whether voluntarily or not, the only alternative is to seek this realization of the infinite and the eternal somewhere else, and the only venue is some kind of spiritual path.

The hardships of monasticism are over stated anyway. If you look at the way people in Mount Athos live, or in something like a Buddhist temple, it seems relatively tame with what life is like when you have to fend off for yourself in the real world. The work in a monastery can be edifying. Working in the real world is physically punishing and invariably soul crushing as well.