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Serious Towards a consistent definition of Incel

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The incel community is constantly bickering over the definition of 'incel', oscillating between calling every sexless man an incel and only calling 5'2" Indian janitors incel

  • Women cannot be incel because they can have sex without paying at any time
  • Escortcels can be incel if prostitution is the only possible way for them to receive sex
  • The community is willing to acknowledge that richcels can be incels, but argues that sub-8 normies can betabuxx and are therefore not incels
  • Betabuxxers who get divorced sometimes get called phantomcels ( @13k ) or marriedcel or MSTOWcel
  • Men who could get laid in the past are incel today. There's literally blackpillers who could get laid before Tinder but not after
I think a good definition of incel is someone who suffers from genetic discrimination (Lookism / Heightism / Racism / Ableism) despite self-improvement and effort in the realm of sexual and romantic life to the point that they cannot obtain a socially recognised monogamous relationship with any cis woman outside of marriage of any quality in the present day

  • Chad can get relationships at any time. Chads deliberately fuck up their lives so women will not want to baby trap him. Even if a successful woman only has sex with Chad, a poor woman will be happy to marry him
  • Women can get relationships at any time. Even the ugliest, most deformed woman can get monogamy, just not with Chad
  • Richcels cannot get casual sex, but a woman may marry them for just long enough to get alimony when divorcing
  • As hypergamy increases, the attractiveness threshold between incel and normie also increases. The incel community will always have a portion of members who are near that threshold and deserve to be interrogated for fakeceldom
  • Even if hypergamy is reduced, a portion of men will always remain incels without Marxism Rodgerism due to being 1/10 truecels
 
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Mentalcels can exist but people claiming to be mentalcels are the most likely to be fakecels who never tried, followed by white tallcels
 
I decided to make this thread because incels.wiki was too objective and wouldn't take a side. Still the best website on the internet though:

 
I decided to make this thread because incels.wiki was too objective and wouldn't take a side. Still the best website on the internet though:

yeah
 
The taller a man is, the uglier he needs to be, facially, to still be an incel
 
What you fail to understand is inceldom is increasing so for examples the rating of a male who is incel is increasing over time. NOT THAT DEFINITION BUT THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF A MALE AND IF THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE IT HARD. If you get what I’m saying
Nazism is foid worship and Chad worship. Inceldia will give every man a Rei Ayanami tier waifu
Why do you say nazism it’s national socialism
 
A mayo who can get laid for free in SEA is a locationcel. A curry or kebab or Jew/bagel who can get arranged marriages but cannot afford married life is a poorcel
 
What you fail to understand is inceldom is increasing so for examples the rating of a male who is incel is increasing over time. NOT THAT DEFINITION BUT THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF A MALE AND IF THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE IT HARD. If you get what I’m saying

Why do you say nazism it’s national socialism
yeah I mentioned this, its very true
 
I added cisgender into the definition, because some men are too ugly to get cisgender women but are able to get trannies. Truecels are too ugly to even get trannies.
 
I added cisgender into the definition, because some men are too ugly to get cisgender women but are able to get trannies. Truecels are too ugly to even get trannies.
Cisgender is a kike term don’t say that either. Don’t give fuel to trannies
 
Richcels cannot get casual sex, but a woman may marry them for just long enough to get alimony when divorcing
disagree with you saying richcels can be incel. blkpillpres would be disappointed in you.

i've always said that the problem with incels is that their conception of relationships is based on a fantasy. they want to have their cake and eat it too. these fantasies provide them with a way for this to be possible, but then they get butthurt when in reality it predictably doesn't work out this way. in your post, you tried to better define what an incel is. but the nature of the "relationships" we are deprived of is still ambiguous in your post.

relationships are fundamentally transactional. at the end of the day, if you aren't getting something out of a relationship you won't want one. maybe what you get is sex or emotional validation or whatever. for women, what they want is social proof. female nature is inherently social and status oriented. their sexuality values male attractiveness not for sexual reasons like how we value female attractiveness, but because it gives them status with other women. having a rich boyfriend has the same effect for her, because everybody agrees on the value of money (or else your paper money would be worthless). also he can buy shit that acts as status symbols like nice clothes or a nice car or post vacation pictures on normiegram. this is confirmed by studies that show women orgasm more with wealthy men. it's true that the transactional and materialistic nature of relationships have gotten worse in recent years. but they've always been this way. you look at the past, they had arranged marriages. women usually were socially and financially dependent on men so men had to provide for their wives. the only difference is standards have been increasing dramatically. before, if you had an ok job, it would be good enough to get you a stay at home wife. now you need to be richcel if you want that. really, "love" doesn't exist. it's just an ego delusion. also, thinking women being attracted to your body is better than them being attracted to your money is an ego delusion.

this leads me into my next point. you aren't a fucking teenager anymore (assuming you are following the rules). adult relationships aren't like teen love where your parents provide for you and you don't have a care in the world and just spend all day in ignorant bliss with a beautiful young girl in the flower of her youth. ALL adult relationships are betabuxxing. at the end of the day, if you both are actually serious about the relationship she will move in with you, and you will be expected to provide for her. therefore, the distinction of "betabuxxing" or "real" relationships are meaningless for adults.

really, i am beginning to think inceldom is an arbitrary distinction. i believe the rising amount of sexless young men who aren't in relationships is a symptom of larger societal changes, and these social forces have also changed the power dynamics and nature of the dating climate to make it worthless for non chads. for example, changing gender roles, the devaluation of female virginity, and that foids are a lot older before they hop off the cock carousel and look for a real relationship. the system of sexual capitalism in today's world is a polarizing system with absolute winners and absolute losers. the distinction between incels and nearcels or normies is like the distinction between a homeless man and a wageslave working 2 jobs making minimum wage. if that homeless guy did get a job, would he really be that better off being the miserable wageslave with nothing to show for his labor?
 
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disagree with you saying richcels can be incel. blkpillpres would be disappointed in you.

i've always said that the problem with incels is that their conception of relationships is based on a fantasy. they want to have their cake and eat it too. these fantasies provide them with a way for this to be possible, but then they get butthurt when in reality it predictably doesn't work out this way. in your post, you tried to better define what an incel is. but the nature of the "relationships" we are deprived of is still ambiguous in your post.

relationships are fundamentally transactional. at the end of the day, if you aren't getting something out of a relationship you won't want one. maybe what you get is sex or emotional validation or whatever. for women, what they want is social proof. female nature is inherently social and status oriented. their sexuality values male attractiveness not for sexual reasons like how we value female attractiveness, but because it gives them status with other women. having a rich boyfriend has the same effect for her, because everybody agrees on the value of money (or else your paper money would be worthless). also he can buy shit that acts as status symbols like nice clothes or a nice car or post vacation pictures on normiegram. this is confirmed by studies that show women orgasm more with wealthy men. it's true that the transactional and materialistic nature of relationships have gotten worse in recent years. but they've always been this way. you look at the past, they had arranged marriages. women usually were socially and financially dependent on men so men had to provide for their wives. the only difference is standards have been increasing dramatically. before, if you had an ok job, it would be good enough to get you a stay at home wife. now you need to be richcel if you want that. really, "love" doesn't exist. it's just an ego delusion. also, thinking women being attracted to your body is better than them being attracted to your money is an ego delusion.

this leads me into my next point. you aren't a fucking teenager anymore (assuming you are following the rules). adult relationships aren't like teen love where your parents provide for you and you don't have a care in the world and just spend all day in ignorant bliss with a beautiful young girl in the flower of her youth. ALL adult relationships are betabuxxing. at the end of the day, if you both are actually serious about the relationship she will move in with you, and you will be expected to provide for her. therefore, the distinction of "betabuxxing" or "real" relationships are meaningless for adults.

really, i am beginning to think inceldom doesn't even exist anymore. i believe the rising amount of sexless young men who aren't in relationships is a symptom of larger societal changes, and these social forces have also changed the power dynamics and nature of the dating climate to make it worthless for non chads. for example, changing gender roles, the devaluation of female virginity, and that foids are a lot older before they hop off the cock carousel and look for a real relationship. the system of sexual capitalism in today's world is a polarizing system with absolute winners and absolute losers. the distinction between incels and nearcels or normies is like the distinction between a homeless man and a wageslave working 2 jobs making minimum wage. if that homeless guy did get a job, would he really be that better off being the miserable wageslave with nothing to show for his labor?
I would have agreed with you before 2018.

  • Women will date poor Chad
  • Rich women will betabuxx poor Chad
  • Women will cheat on high tier normie husbands with Chad
  • Women will deliberately avoid being impregnated by an ugly husband, if she chooses to marry one
  • Women will not just subconsciously, but consciously plan to cuckold their husbands, premeditated, by passing off Chad's spawn as their own
  • Women will tell short and ugly husbands to pay for a sperm donor instead
 
disagree with you saying richcels can be incel. blkpillpres would be disappointed in you.

i've always said that the problem with incels is that their conception of relationships is based on a fantasy. they want to have their cake and eat it too. these fantasies provide them with a way for this to be possible, but then they get butthurt when in reality it predictably doesn't work out this way. in your post, you tried to better define what an incel is. but the nature of the "relationships" we are deprived of is still ambiguous in your post.

relationships are fundamentally transactional. at the end of the day, if you aren't getting something out of a relationship you won't want one. maybe what you get is sex or emotional validation or whatever. for women, what they want is social proof. female nature is inherently social and status oriented. their sexuality values male attractiveness not for sexual reasons like how we value female attractiveness, but because it gives them status with other women. having a rich boyfriend has the same effect for her, because everybody agrees on the value of money (or else your paper money would be worthless). also he can buy shit that acts as status symbols like nice clothes or a nice car or post vacation pictures on normiegram. this is confirmed by studies that show women orgasm more with wealthy men. it's true that the transactional and materialistic nature of relationships have gotten worse in recent years. but they've always been this way. you look at the past, they had arranged marriages. women usually were socially and financially dependent on men so men had to provide for their wives. the only difference is standards have been increasing dramatically. before, if you had an ok job, it would be good enough to get you a stay at home wife. now you need to be richcel if you want that. really, "love" doesn't exist. it's just an ego delusion. also, thinking women being attracted to your body is better than them being attracted to your money is an ego delusion.

this leads me into my next point. you aren't a fucking teenager anymore (assuming you are following the rules). adult relationships aren't like teen love where your parents provide for you and you don't have a care in the world and just spend all day in ignorant bliss with a beautiful young girl in the flower of her youth. ALL adult relationships are betabuxxing. at the end of the day, if you both are actually serious about the relationship she will move in with you, and you will be expected to provide for her. therefore, the distinction of "betabuxxing" or "real" relationships are meaningless for adults.

really, i am beginning to think inceldom doesn't even exist anymore. i believe the rising amount of sexless young men who aren't in relationships is a symptom of larger societal changes, and these social forces have also changed the power dynamics and nature of the dating climate to make it worthless for non chads. for example, changing gender roles, the devaluation of female virginity, and that foids are a lot older before they hop off the cock carousel and look for a real relationship. the system of sexual capitalism in today's world is a polarizing system with absolute winners and absolute losers. the distinction between incels and nearcels or normies is like the distinction between a homeless man and a wageslave working 2 jobs making minimum wage. if that homeless guy did get a job, would he really be that better off being the miserable wageslave with nothing to show for his labor?
I can lose my money, I can even lose some of my looks, I cannot lose my genetics.

I'd rather be Chad than rich because I want women to want to birth my children. That's the highest form of ego validation.

Also, I want to pass on my genes. Preferrably raise my spawn too. I could never accept being an infertile richcel.
 
it's fine as it is. This won't stop npcs from labeling us every negative thing under the sun
 
it's fine as it is. This won't stop npcs from calling us terrorists
I'm tired of infighting in the community, that's why I'm trying this
 
I added cisgender into the definition, because some men are too ugly to get cisgender women but are able to get trannies.
Brutal. Thankfully it hasn’t happened to me.
 
As the amount of incels grow, we're going to have youngcels who never tried. They should either submit a photo for face rating or cold approach first. Truecels should not be requested to cold approach.
 
Men who could get laid in the past are incel today. There's literally blackpillers who could get laid before Tinder but not after
If they had unpaid sex in the past they're not incel. I don't care if they can't get laid anymore, it's not the same. If you claim they're incel might as well also include divorced or widowed grandpas jfl.
 
If they had unpaid sex in the past they're not incel. I don't care if they can't get laid anymore, it's not the same. If you claim they're incel might as well also include divorced or widowed grandpas jfl.
Age isn't genetic discrimination. Some men age badly due to genetics, that's agepill. Decline of looks causing lookism, etc.

Let's not purity spiral.
 
Who cares?
I liked blkpilpress. Didnt agree 100%, but I liked him. His blackpill on why parents don't want incel uncles to spoil their kids was very vantablack. But even then I don't agree 100%
 
I liked blkpilpress. Didnt agree 100%, but I liked him. His blackpill on why parents don't want incel uncles to spoil their kids was very vantablack. But even then I don't agree 100%
A broken clock is right twice a day.

My issue is that he possesses very specific views on escaping and coping with inceldom - which is fine as a personal opinion. His tendency to start childish arguments with people that disagreed on how to go about these various issues is where he became peak pest. As if his assertions should be regarded as anything less than objective. Like many copers, he loves to selectively accept/ignore data that doesn't fit his narrative.

Let's not get into his ridiculous notions about religionmaxxing, rapemaxxing and so on. I'm still not completely certain that account wasn't an elaborate LARP.
 
A broken clock is right twice a day.

My issue is that he possesses very specific views on escaping and coping with inceldom - which is fine as a personal opinion. His tendency to start childish arguments with people that disagreed on how to go about these various issues is where he became peak pest. As if his assertions should be regarded as anything less than objective. Like many copers, he loves to selectively accept/ignore data that doesn't fit his narrative.

Let's not get into his ridiculous notions about religionmaxxing, rapemaxxing and so on. I'm still not completely certain that account wasn't an elaborate LARP.
Maybe he wanted to push logic to the limit to create shock value
 
I find it kind of ridiculous that some men who are into their 40s and had sex twice at 19 would be banned on sigh, meanwhile young chadlites are rampant on the forum. I feel like incel has more in common with a low-smv, old dude who managed to luck it out before tinder. Rather than a spoiled young attractive dude who is in his "loner edgy" phase.
 
For normalfags, incel is just a buzzword, they will call a 6'5 chad with a wife and kids an incel if he says anything that remotely goes against status quo.

I think for the community itself to come to an agreement on what an incel actually is, is important, not all incels are the same, but are united together.

But convincing the normie hivemind that incel doesn't mean basement-dwelling misogynistic neckbeard pedophile rapist terrorist? You'd have mote value in talking to a box of rocks. :feelsjuice:

Definitely a good read OP, even in incel spaces the term is loosely applied to anyone who MAY have one trait that could be considered a common trait among incels, even if they aren't one themselves.
 
I find it kind of ridiculous that some men who are into their 40s and had sex twice at 19 would be banned on sigh, meanwhile young chadlites are rampant on the forum. I feel like incel has more in common with a low-smv, old dude who managed to luck it out before tinder. Rather than a spoiled young attractive dude who is in his "loner edgy" phase.
I agree. The forum's definition of inceldom has a recency bias towards young chadlites who haven't had time to ascend yet. While I don't think oldfags who had sex in their teens should be allowed here, I think moderation should be stricter towards youngcels. Ban youngcels who are over 6 feet, who have friends or are social, have big dicks, have good jobs, or admit to being facially attractive or at least not unattractive. But this probably won't be practical since most of the foum is young attractive dudes in their edgy loner phase.
 
I find it kind of ridiculous that some men who are into their 40s and had sex twice at 19 would be banned on sigh, meanwhile young chadlites are rampant on the forum. I feel like incel has more in common with a low-smv, old dude who managed to luck it out before tinder. Rather than a spoiled young attractive dude who is in his "loner edgy" phase.
I hate purity spiralling. We've literally got looksmax posters photoshopping themselves to look uglier'

There is no perfect or graceful answer.
Forums for uglies get taken over by women and forums for Blackpills get taken over by kids.
 
I agree. The forum's definition of inceldom has a recency bias towards young chadlites who haven't had time to ascend yet. While I don't think oldfags who had sex in their teens should be allowed here, I think moderation should be stricter towards youngcels. Ban youngcels who are over 6 feet, who have friends or are social, have big dicks, have good jobs, or admit to being facially attractive or at least not unattractive. But this probably won't be practical since most of the foum is young attractive dudes in their edgy loner phase.
Why can't these fucking chadlites waste their youth on /pol/ instead? They're polluting the incel community.
 
Disagreed.

If you had sex with a foid, EVEN with an escort, you’re NOt an incel.

If a foid has EVER in your lifetime voluntarily spoke to you, you’re NOT an incel.

If a foid has ever had a crush on you and you found out through someone else whether true or not, you’re NOT an incel.

Incels are people who have had no female contact in life.
 
Disagreed.

If you had sex with a foid, EVEN with an escort, you’re NOt an incel.

If a foid has EVER in your lifetime voluntarily spoke to you, you’re NOT an incel.

If a foid has ever had a crush on you and you found out through someone else whether true or not, you’re NOT an incel.

Incels are people who have had no female contact in life.
There's tiers to being incel.
Inb4 fakecel, I meet your criteria of incel
 
There's tiers to being incel.
Inb4 fakecel, I meet your criteria of incel

I disagree, it’s black or white.

You either FUCKED a foid or you didn’t. There’s no in between.

Someone who hasn’t had sex shouldn’t be on the same spectrum as someone who’s had sex both be complaining about never having sex.
 
I disagree, it’s black or white.

You either FUCKED a foid or you didn’t. There’s no in between.

Someone who hasn’t had sex shouldn’t be on the same spectrum as someone who’s had sex both be complaining about never having sex.
Maybe KHHV like me should have our own subforum
 
6 post truth vs 24k post retardation

In my 5 years of being on this site I’ve seen a lot of users come and go

Can’t wait to see your name on the next ban appeal
 
In my 5 years of being on this site I’ve seen a lot of users come and go

Can’t wait to see your name on the next ban appeal
you should be worrying about putting food on the table if you physically can't afford an escort
 
The incel community is constantly bickering over the definition of 'incel', oscillating between calling every sexless man an incel and only calling 5'2" Indian janitors incel

  • Women cannot be incel because they can have sex without paying at any time
  • Escortcels can be incel if prostitution is the only possible way for them to receive sex
  • The community is willing to acknowledge that richcels can be incels, but argues that sub-8 normies can betabuxx and are therefore not incels
  • Betabuxxers who get divorced sometimes get called phantomcels ( @13k ) or marriedcel or MSTOWcel
  • Men who could get laid in the past are incel today. There's literally blackpillers who could get laid before Tinder but not after
I think a good definition of incel is someone who suffers from genetic discrimination (Lookism / Heightism / Racism / Ableism) despite self-improvement and effort in the realm of sexual and romantic life to the point that they cannot obtain a socially recognised monogamous relationship with any cis woman outside of marriage of any quality in the present day

  • Chad can get relationships at any time. Chads deliberately fuck up their lives so women will not want to baby trap him. Even if a successful woman only has sex with Chad, a poor woman will be happy to marry him
  • Women can get relationships at any time. Even the ugliest, most deformed woman can get monogamy, just not with Chad
  • Richcels cannot get casual sex, but a woman may marry them for just long enough to get alimony when divorcing
  • As hypergamy increases, the attractiveness threshold between incel and normie also increases. The incel community will always have a portion of members who are near that threshold and deserve to be interrogated for fakeceldom
  • Even if hypergamy is reduced, a portion of men will always remain incels without Marxism Rodgerism due to being 1/10 truecels
Incel=want a gf but can't get one

Simple as
 

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