Experiment TLDR intro to reflecting on some shit

[Nihilistic Warminds]

Hi all,

I joined to have a discussion, though I completely understand if no one chooses to engage, as this is definitely going to be TLDR. Little about me for context: I’m a former Army Captain with time in South Korea and Afghanistan as an adviser to a tier 1 Afghan counterterrorism unit. I’ve seen some dead people and done some pretty wahoo things (though I’ll straight up say I’ve never directly killed another human being, though the line of moral (rather than legal) responsibility gets pretty fuzzy downrange and in your own head when you get back.) Now I work at a foreign policy think tank, so I spend a lot of time thinking about stuff. And some of the stuff I’ve been thinking about is the incel/TRP community.

I had a Soldier in my unit in Korea who was 100% TRP, and a bunch of Korean Soldiers who were hardcore Ilbe dudes (FYI, Ilbe is the Korean netizen version of what 4chan was before it was taken over by the anon activist cancer), and we used to chat on operations about different aspects of the culture.
One of the things I remember is how much we connected over being angry at society for not having a place for us to fit in. Like fuuuuuuuck man, who wants to be a little automaton who just talks about pop culture and fakes the type of person they are all day at work and in public to be “professional” and “respectable?” Fuck that noise. I want to be the human I decide to be. I think so much of our frustration with modern life lies in the fact that the world around us tries to force us to be people we aren’t so much that we don’t even have time to really think about and consider the type of person we really are.

And I don’t mean the person we really are in the context of the rest of the world, I mean who we really are. Like if you were taken on a faster than light ship (like Ender) and jet out into the universe, then come back 100 years later and culture has completely changed, what type of person would we be on that journey and when we come back and any culture we knew is gone or radically changed? There’d be no one to blame for us feeling like shit all the time and we’d probably be even angrier.

Most ancient societies around the world used to have rituals where its men would go out and become adults through a specific trial or ceremony. In literature it’s called a bildungsroman. We live in a society where we're never encouraged to mature psychologically or spiritually. The closest thing we have to a bildungsroman is taking down an absurdly hard boss in a video game, reading about the exploits of others via news or book, or maybe, if we really hate ourselves and have bad decision-making abilities, we go to one of our bullshit wars where we REALLY take the Red Pill and find out the entire world runs on bullshit lies. The validation that we’re full human male adults isn’t there.

That means we’re left to validate ourselves, which I don’t know if you’ve tried but is god damn fucking hard, especially in a society and culture that constantly shits on anyone trying to do anything sincerely. I’ve figured out a few techniques that work for me, but I’ve been lucky in some respects and spent a lot of effort fucking up my own head by maxxing my CHA stat to blend in, so I know it won’t work for everyone.

However, I’m real creative and want to help my brothers in any way I can, so the whole point of this post is to open a dialogue on how we can all not feel like shit all the time in a way that’s reasonable, sustainable, realistic, and actionable. I’ll STFU now and ask you guys to share your situations so that we can wargame different scenarios that might help in your personal validation, because at the end of the day only you can make you happy. And being able to be happy with just yourself is probably the most empowering skill set you can develop.

Thanks for whatever you want to be thanked for,
Grigori

 

[/pol/cel]

>>tfw I will never get to join an elite PMC that takes lucrative contracts in Cold War era Africa in exchange for a steady payment of blood diamonds.

Why even live.

 

[ICanOnlyFapToBDSM]

Not sure if this is bipolar rambling or I'm just too low-iq to understand
"Ilbe's userbase has a strong alt-right tendencies, and thus puts a great emphasis on freedom of speech.[citation needed] As such, the website has very few rules, but it does prohibit users from mentioning each other by their username or getting too close to each other, in order to prevent new users or dissenters from being down-voted indiscriminately by existing users. This policy has effectively made everyone more anonymous (and equal), in contrast with other popular Korean forums where the old users are more respected and hold greater authority during discussions. The forums are largely unmoderated, with exceptions made for cases that may result in litigation or cases in response to complaints.[citation needed]

The lack of moderation, however, does result in problematic behaviors such as defamation or harassment, which are criminal under Korean Law. The website routinely comes under criticism for its users' actions, the most notable of which was the Korea Communications Standards Commission's request that Ilbe regulate problematic contents that are harmful for teenagers.[5] On the other hand, the website has been praised for its anonymity and free spirit: a spokesman of Saenuri Party mentioned Ilbe as "free space where innocent people can speak their minds freely".[6]

A large part of Ilbe's subculture comes from the users' collective identity as "losers" of a sort: until the founding of Ilbe, most of the large community forums on the Korean web were left-leaning to an extent where anyone with even a moderate right-wing opinion had to endure ridicule and name-calling by the majority including the moderators.[citation needed] Thus, Ilbe's userbase has embraced many of the derogatory terms used by the left to show pride in their dissent. Due to their vocal users and strong political/cultural influence, Ilbe has gained widespread attention by social critics, with some labeling the website a social phenomenon,[7][8][9] and some critics consider Ilbe a Korean analogue of 4chan and 2 Channel.[10]

As a vocal minority of the users engage in questionable behavior both online and offline, the website has largely negative connotation, especially with the political left.[11][12] Thus, the users tend not to reveal their identity as an Ilbe user in the real world to prevent themselves from being ostracized. The term "Ilming-out" (일밍아웃), which is a portmanteau of "Ilbe" and "Coming out (of the closet)", describes a disclosure as an Ilbe user to the general public, and is avoided. Having to resort to more discreet measures to display their identity, Ilbe users use a hand sign that represents the Korean initials of the website's name.[13]"

This llbe site is legit though we could take some pointers

 

[PrinceOfCope]

I would honestly suggest everyone who is a NEET try to at least get a small side job just to break up the mental monotony and give themselves some sense of productivity, even if it's fully artificial in light of the fact that your wage job probably doesn't really alter the state of the world much. I'm of the mind now that even tedious work can be decently distracting and somewhat basically fulfilling even if on a conscious level a person is cognizant of the fact that what they are doing is just tedium.

I think working gives a sense of competence and capability that is uplifting to a person, since even if what you're doing is simple you gain the assurance of at least being able to functionally do something. Being a NEET in my experience slowly opens up a void in your life and makes you languish in a state of uncertainty as to your own ability to do anything.

I know hardcore NEET advocates who fully abandoned society are going to call me a wage slave drone, but I think I may at least be partly right.

 

[Nihilistic Warminds]

Not sure if this is bipolar rambling or I'm just too low-iq to understand

Porque no los dos?

Why even live.

Because it's funny.

I know hardcore NEET advocates who fully abandoned society are going to call me a wage slave drone, but I think I may at least be partly right.

It's all a balancing act. Sometime I walk around in public and think about all the normal human things I'm not allowed to do because everyone around me would view me as mentally deficient or crazy according to an uneducated but codified standard of what the "civilization" views as normal. And so we repress ourselves to make others more comfortable, but often don't feel like others are doing the same for us. This delta between our effort and our perception/interpretation of other's effort can quickly lead to resentment and anger. But when you're dealing with other conscious beings you're always interacting based off your best educated guess on both your own and the other's intention. How that applies to the drudgery of everyday work so we can live in this capitalist psychell, I haven't figured that out yet, but I know I'm not the only one who thinks we can do better, so I take some hope in that.

 

[NekoStance]

 

[Nihilistic Warminds]

I agree, Jack.

 

[WarriorSkull]

Interesting post, touched on a lot of things i've spent a lot of time thinking about as well. Particularly the concept of "rights of passage" and their nebulous, near non-existence in modern society.

They are still there, they just aren't quite as obvious as the dedicated "trial by fire" style rituals we see in unmodernized cultures. For example, losing you virginity is sort of "right of passage" and a "test of manhood". It isn't singular in that regard and there is no overt celebration when it occurs, but men who haven't achieved it suffer many of the similar consequences as those who fail their trials in tribal societies.

Fundamentally, the purpose trials serve in tribal communities are about how the tribe will distribute status amongst the men and women. You pass the test, you get status, you fail, you get none. This allowed them to advantage males that are most beneficial to the survival of the tribe. In modernized society, we have no tribe. We are atomized, individuals. As such, we win or lose our status on a one by one basis with each person we meet. The other problem is that each person we associate with can help or harm our own status. As such, the primary value other human beings offer us is their utility as a means to increase our own status. This is why everything is so skewed towards women. This is why women's choice became valuable, because those who are chosen are given tremendous status.

 

[Nihilistic Warminds]

For example, losing you virginity is sort of "right of passage" and a "test of manhood". It isn't singular in that regard and there is no overt celebration when it occurs, but men who haven't achieved it suffer many of the similar consequences as those who fail their trials in tribal societies.

Yeah, I hear ya. I think we as a society have concentrated so much meaning in the idea of virginity that there's no way to fucking win that situation. Everybody gets fucked over when the label "virgin" means something so explosive and deeply hurtful to so many people. Sounds like a dumbass cultural creation by capitalist dogs who want to keep people unhappy so they keep buying and fucking to try to make themselves happy. Imbalances of power coupled with human sexuality coupled with bullshit marketing and a concentration of meaning into a label that's largely outside an individual's control (and psychologically fucks people up even when they do have some control). Sounds like some real shitty shit right there.

We are atomized, individuals. As such, we win or lose our status on a one by one basis with each person we meet.

Woah, that's such a good way to put it. We live and die with each human interaction because that individual extrapolates an entire narrative for who we are based on the limited information they perceive and interpret from our limited exchange. Seems like we've stopped seeing humans as fully-fleshed out conscious creatures and started treating them like the stereotypes our brain creates to simplify the reality we're creating around us.