Discussion Thoughts on the book "No More Mr. Nice Guy"?

[your personality]

The book "No More Mr. Nice Guy" by Robert Glover is one that both bluepillers and redpillers keep recommending to guys that struggle with attracting women.
Imo the popularity of this book helped spread the idea that "niceguys aren't really nice but are actually manipulative assholes" before even groups online formed that specifically made fun of niceguys.

What do you think? Do you find the book too presuming and contemptuous? Or was it helpful in some ways? Or do you think it's overrated and not worth a single glance? How do you think this book pertains to inceldom and the few ways that society suggests incels improve their prospects?
Background on the book: https://www.drglover.com/no-more-mr-nice-guy/the-book.html, https://www.amazon.com/No-More-Mr-Nice-Guy/product-reviews/0762415339
Many people here probably went through a redpill phase and this is one of the most common recommended books to read by redpillers so some of you are probably familiar with this book.

 

[Deleted member 19236]

Ive never read that book.

 

[your personality]

Ive never read that book.

I never got the appeal of reading self improvement books tbh seems more like placebo and just pointless advice meant to make you shut up and "focus on yourself and stop worrying about others asshole"

 

[Lookscel]

Redpill cope won't read

 

[Deleted member 5712]

Ive never read that book.

 

[your personality]

@PersonaDickcel @incelastronaut have you read this book? If so can you elab on what you thought of it? Surprisingly there's a lot of people here that haven't read it. Isn't it like the one of the main self improvement books always recommended for guys other than Models by Mark Manson and How to Win Friends and Influence People?

 

[Deleted member 1983]

sounds soy

 

[WizardofSoda]

Since i read super fast i think i read it years ago, or at least skimmed it.

Something i don't think the author understood is that normies would just have no contact with women if they weren't doing the 'nice guy' act. If women couldn't use the normie, she just would have no contact with him.

 

[your personality]

Since i read super fast i think i read it years ago, or at least skimmed it.

Something i don't think the author understood is that normies would just have no contact with women if they weren't doing the 'nice guy' act. If women couldn't use the normie, she just would have no contact with him.

Yeah from what I understand that book was full of personal anecdotes and not really detailed studies so it would be easier to skim through it.
Imo the author understood probably understood that women do knowingly and deliberately string along naive guys but like with most people he probably put most/all of the blame on the man in any situation involving a man versus a woman.

 

[Gymcelled]

Act like a tough guy or guy with standards and watch women disappear because you have no leverage (= looks/status/money)

 

[your personality]

Act like a tough guy or guy with standards and watch women disappear because you have no leverage (= looks/status/money)

Exactly. The premise of the book is cope. Unless you are a high SMV chad you have no next to no leverage and are easily replaceable by women.

 

[Gymcelled]

Exactly. The premise of the book is cope. Unless you are a high SMV chad you have no next to no leverage and are easily replaceable by women.

It only works when you're in the game for reasons that aren't betabuxxing.
If there's some basis of real attraction then not acting like a bitch and standing up for yourself would generally help.

This is the biggest problem with redpill advice: the advice that works only works for people who are already at least somewhat attractive

 

[your personality]

It only works when you're in the game for reasons that aren't betabuxxing.
If there's some basis of real attraction then not acting like a bitch and standing up for yourself would generally help.

Nothing matters tbh
Foids actually like to see you not standing up for yourself so they can look down on you and claim that you deserve what you get because you don't stand up for yourself. And when you stand up for yourself you took it too far and need to chill out apparently. Like said so many times here, you can't win as a nonchad male.

This is the biggest problem with redpill advice: the advice that works only works for people who are already at least somewhat attractive

They admit that these days tbh
Redpill advice isn't for guys that were never successful in getting relationships with women. It's for guys that have already had a few relationships with women where they were able to have sex.

 

[Emba]

Çest merdé!

It was shit

Don't remember much about it since long ago but it just seemed wrong too smug and pathetic at the same time probably written by a jrw

 

[your personality]

Çest merdé!

It was shit

Don't remember much about it since long ago but it just seemed wrong too smug and pathetic at the same time probably written by a jrw

My impression of it too. But you can thank that book for popularizing the idea that guys that struggle with women and get walked over by them are the real scumbags and assholes.

 

[Gymcelled]

They admit that these days tbh
Redpill advice isn't for guys that were never successful in getting relationships with women. It's for guys that have already had a few relationships with women where they were able to have sex.

In other words guys who were in just exist mode and recently got fucked by the increasing hypergamy

It fills me with so much rage when I hear some skinnyfat or ex obese redpill piece of garbage talking about self improvement. I've done so much more than them and have never been able to have even a tiny fraction of what they had BEFORE their "self improvement".

I went above and beyond and got less than some retarded doritos eating, starbucks drinking, video games playing, porn watching, alcohol drinking lazy piece of shit. Yet that person immediately assumes we've done nothing and talks down to us. They think they're enlightened and hard working for saying "hit the gym" or change your clothes.

It's peak dunning kruger ignorance on their part. They cannot comprehend how little they know about self improvement or what creates attraction. @Transcended Trucel I think you might relate to what I just said.

 

[your personality]

In other words guys who were in just exist mode and recently got fucked by the increasing hypergamy

It fills me with so much rage when I hear some skinnyfat or ex obese redpill piece of garbage talking about self improvement. I've done so much more than them and have never been able to have even a tiny fraction of what they had BEFORE their "self improvement".

Perfectly said. They could only keep up with women's rising standards for so long before they too started having to jestermaxx.

I went above and beyond and got less than some retarded doritos eating, starbucks drinking, video games playing, porn watching, alcohol drinking lazy piece of shit.

I know of no one like this and am convinced that most of the guys that fit this stereotype are ironically enough the same people posting and obsessing about "neckbeards" and "manchilds". They hate what they are.

Yet that person immediately assumes we've done nothing and talks down to us. They think they're enlightened and hard working for saying "hit the gym" or change your clothes.

It's peak dunning kruger ignorance on their part. They cannot comprehend how little they know about self improvement or what creates attraction. @Transcended Trucel I think you might relate to what I just said.

theredpill has always been a fucking joke tbh
but marriedredpill is even more of a joke sub ngl @ReturnOfSaddam

 

[DonezoTheClown]

Never read it but just sounds like a more bluepilled and legal version of thugmaxxing by the title.

I think Jordan Peterson also says this thing about "being a monster" and that being nice without the capabilities of being a bad guy is just weakness, he didn't technically say it would help you get laid but he knows his audience are mostly young men and I believe he's smart enough to understand what young men want most.

He has a whole list of quotes on his twitter and they seem pretty retarded.

 

[your personality]

Never read it but just sounds like a more bluepilled and legal version of thugmaxxing by the title.

I think Jordan Peterson also says this thing about "being a monster" and that being nice without the capabilities of being a bad guy is just weakness, he didn't technically say it would help you get laid but he knows his audience are mostly young men and I believe he's smart enough to understand what young men want most.

lmao first tweet I see
"You might be short, bald, and live with your parents, but these realities will only become liabilities if you believe they are." - Dr. Robert Glover

 

[DonezoTheClown]

lmao first tweet I see
"You might be short, bald, and live with your parents, but these realities will only become liabilities if you believe they are." - Dr. Robert Glover

Can you remove that tweet pls it shows my countries language, was hoping to keep that secret.

Thanks bro .

 

[your personality]

Can you remove that tweet pls it shows my countries language, was hoping to keep that secret.

Done.
You should edit post #20 too because I think the tweet is still in the quotes.

 

[DonezoTheClown]

Done.
You should edit post #20 too because I think the tweet is still in the quotes.

Yeah got it. Thanks.

 

[Saysitsover]

No more Mr Niceguy more like the meet you take you home and fuck you twice guy

 

[your personality]

No more Mr Niceguy more like the meet you take you home and fuck you twice guy

Only if you are chad. Being the take you home and fuck you twice guy as a normie or below means getting a criminal charge for date rape.

 

[ReturnOfSaddam]

Perfectly said. They could only keep up with women's rising standards for so long before they too started having to jestermaxx.

I know of no one like this and am convinced that most of the guys that fit this stereotype are ironically enough the same people posting and obsessing about "neckbeards" and "manchilds". They hate what they are.

theredpill has always been a fucking joke tbh
but marriedredpill is even more of a joke sub ngl @ReturnOfSaddam

TRP is the home of the copers JFL. Guys claiming they're alpha males and writing essays on how they successfully "scored" with a 3/10 obese drunk toilet

 

[BlkPillPres]

I never got the appeal of reading self improvement books tbh seems more like placebo and just pointless advice meant to make you shut up and "focus on yourself and stop worrying about others asshole"

This

 

[your personality]

TRP is the home of the copers JFL. Guys claiming they're alpha males and writing essays on how they successfully "scored" with a 3/10 obese drunk toilet

r/marriedredpill

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/itvxzy/simple_yet_strong_rise_from_bed_before_your_wife/

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/im4txv/psa_a_shit_test_is_not_her_being_bitchy/

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/hmgdcg/how_i_communicate_now_without_words/

 

[Transcended Trucel]

In other words guys who were in just exist mode and recently got fucked by the increasing hypergamy

It fills me with so much rage when I hear some skinnyfat or ex obese redpill piece of garbage talking about self improvement. I've done so much more than them and have never been able to have even a tiny fraction of what they had BEFORE their "self improvement".

I went above and beyond and got less than some retarded doritos eating, starbucks drinking, video games playing, porn watching, alcohol drinking lazy piece of shit. Yet that person immediately assumes we've done nothing and talks down to us. They think they're enlightened and hard working for saying "hit the gym" or change your clothes.

It's peak dunning kruger ignorance on their part. They cannot comprehend how little they know about self improvement or what creates attraction. @Transcended Trucel I think you might relate to what I just said.

yup. we went far further than vast majority of redpillers yet got borderline nothing to show for it. only success I have is some more money to cope but socially/romantically in the same position if I did nothing but rot.

 

[your personality]

yup. we went far further than vast majority of redpillers yet got borderline nothing to show for it. only success I have is some more money to cope but socially/romantically in the same position if I did nothing but rot.

tbh it would have been better if we remained bluepilled but society won't allow that. In a way society wants guys like us to be blackpilled but feel helpless and stay silent.

 

[Deleted member 27159]

Never read it

 

[your personality]

@Studiocel what parts of the book did you find kind of helpful?

 

[Studiocel]

@Studiocel what parts of the book did you find kind of helpful?

I dont remember the entire book but I think the main idea of trying to fulfill your own needs instead of trying to please everyone else is not a bad message. The book dousnt really offer many solutions to escape inceldom however and just blames the readers sexual shame.

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

the main idea of trying to fulfill your own needs instead of trying to please everyone else is not a bad message.

You don't need to buy a book to figure this out if you have even a sliver of intelligence

 

[WizardofSoda]

Yeah from what I understand that book was full of personal anecdotes and not really detailed studies so it would be easier to skim through it.
Imo the author understood probably understood that women do knowingly and deliberately string along naive guys but like with most people he probably put most/all of the blame on the man in any situation involving a man versus a woman.

Yep and from what i remember his advice was that if these 'nice guys' stand up to women and tell the woman their own needs and expectations of the relationship and then enforce those demands.. that the women will gain respect for them and then in some mysterious way become more attracted to these beta males.

In reality I think the women would just drop them and find another beta male to use, once the woman was having to put effort in too.

And if the woman couldn't find a beta male to use, then the woman just stays single 'waiting for Chad'.

 

[Deleted member 19546]

Men will forgo their own needs and out extra effort to make the “contract” of a relationship more favourable to women. To keep the women and get laid.

Women inevitably don’t keep their end of the nice guy’s contract.

Nice guy ends up with nothing, feels cheated and goes into rage mode.

It’s like, don’t lend money unless you’re ok with not getting it back. That’s literally the whole book in a nutshell.

These relationships that you have, with women, with friends, they are not contracts enforced by any state, so you shouldn’t act like they are or you’ll be disappointed.

 

[Jungle]

Ive never read that book.

 

[cvh1991]

The whole notion that “nice guys”TM are only that way to manipulate women is stupid because EVERYONE behaves as they do to manipulate and attempt to get they want — women do it, men do it, everybody does it.

If a woman wants to fuck Chad, what does she do? She behaves and does what she thinks will attract the male.

If a man wants to fuck a woman what does he do? He also behaves and does what he thinks will attract the female.

My big problem with retarded statements like that book is making is that they seem to believe ONLY men and only “nice guys”TM are manipulative like this and they’re suggesting it’s abnormal and abhorrent if not the reason women reject these men outright (it’s not the reason) — that’s the implication and it’s total hogwash. Fuck the book.

Know how to attract women?
1) be naturally handsome/in the top percentage of men genetically
2) gymmaxx and get ripped
3) Be rich and famous/high status/in a position of power (like a ceo)

Are you an average or worse male in terms of attractiveness?

Do you not have a job and/or live at home and/or have a dead end job that requires roommates?

Are you low status and poor and ugly? If yes then THATS why you can’t get laid, the rest is victim blaming hogwash that blames men for “not being good enough”/not measuring up to women’s inflated standards.

For the lurkers out there who don’t believe this go read the studies on the incels wiki blackpill science article — go read speed dating and online dating statistics — women are far FAR more picky than men and are broadly the choosers in our species — what I’m saying here is objectively true and low status ugly males are treated like garbage in western society and have few to no prospects comparatively.

 

[your personality]

The whole notion that “nice guys”TM are only that way to manipulate women is stupid because EVERYONE behaves as they do to manipulate and attempt to get they want — women do it, men do it, everybody does it.

It's been said thousands of times. Somehow though all the people that love to use "nice guy" as an insult only respond to this argument by calling you a nice guy and entitled misogynist. They don't have any real arguments but still want to look strong telling you off and trying to put you in your supposed place.

If a woman wants to fuck Chad, what does she do? She behaves and does what she thinks will attract the male.

If a man wants to fuck a woman what does he do? He also behaves and does what he thinks will attract the female.

They can put up any rationalizations they want. In the end it comes down to their belief that

anything a woman doesn't like = it must be inherently bad and rooted in immorality and a despicable nature
anything a woman likes = it must be inherently good and there is somehow moral value in that characteristic.

My big problem with retarded statements like that book is making is that they seem to believe ONLY men and only “nice guys”TM are manipulative like this and they’re suggesting it’s abnormal and abhorrent if not the reason women reject outright — that’s the implication and it’s total hogwash. Fuck the book.

It's my belief that it was that book that was responsible for popularizing the notion that "nice guys" that were socially awkward and reluctant to make any daring moves were manipulative assholes. Definitely came across that way from all the interviews and testimonies the author of that book gave ngl. But of course in such a women centered world like this the author got flak not for this but for ascribing negative values to femininity (and apparently women rather than the actual intended target of a socially awkward weak male jfl).

 

[cvh1991]

It's been said thousands of times. Somehow though all the people that love to use "nice guy" as an insult only respond to this argument by calling you a nice guy and entitled misogynist. They don't have any real arguments but still want to look strong telling you off and trying to put you in your supposed place.

They can put up any rationalizations they want. In the end it comes down to their belief that

anything a woman doesn't like = it must be inherently bad and rooted in immorality and a despicable nature
anything a woman likes = it must be inherently good and there is somehow moral value in that characteristic.

It's my belief that it was that book that was responsible for popularizing the notion that "nice guys" that were socially awkward and reluctant to make any daring moves were manipulative assholes. Definitely came across that way from all the interviews and testimonies the author of that book gave ngl. But of course in such a women centered world like this the author got flak not for this but for ascribing negative values to femininity (and apparently women rather than the actual intended target of a socially awkward weak male jfl).

I hear you mate, well put

 

[TheEnd]

At best the book will help to unscrew a few bluepill simps, and serve as an intro to redpill PUA bullshit.

"Women don't like nice guys so I'll be a jerk" - if you're ugly then nobody cares and people will just start to hate you. On the other hand, Chad can act however he wants and get all the pussy in the world. They made Tinder experiments with Chadfish acting like a total beta male loser and it didn't stop any foid from wanting to meet up.

 

[epillepsy]

It sounds like a book for very meek men.

 

[your personality]

At best the book will help to unscrew a few bluepill simps, and serve as an intro to redpill PUA bullshit.

"Women don't like nice guys so I'll be a jerk" - if you're ugly then nobody cares and people will just start to hate you. On the other hand, Chad can act however he wants and get all the pussy in the world. They made Tinder experiments with Chadfish acting like a total beta male loser and it didn't stop any foid from wanting to meet up.

To be fair this book was published well before the blackpill theory about looks triumphing over personality was established. It's much more related to PUA and normie tier advice geared to men about being more attractive to women. When I think of "No More Mr. Nice Guy" I think of other books like "The Game" by Neil Strauss and this clip

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d28usWdvmSg

@Arch Anemone @Angry_runt

It sounds like a book for very meek men.

All the reviews of that book and reactions from fans of that book suggest to me that all that book does is browbeat meek men and convince them it's their fault for being treated badly by others and that "they need to stand up for themselves." The problem is when those men do that and aren't high status or of good looks they are treated even worse and people feel an increasing need to aggressively put them back in their place.

 

[epillepsy]

All the reviews of that book and reactions from fans of that book suggest to me that all that book does is browbeat meek men and convince them it's their fault for being treated badly by others and that "they need to stand up for themselves." The problem is when those men do that and aren't high status or of good looks they are treated even worse and people feel an increasing need to aggressively put them back in their place.

I will not be adding this book to my extensive reading list then.

 

[your personality]

I will not be adding this book to my extensive reading list then.

Imo if you can somehow get the book for free it might be an interesting read just for the sake of how it's a common book and unofficial introduction to sexual dynamics and pick up artistry that is losely related to some ideas in the manosphere and theories about darktriadmaxxing in the incelosphere.

 

[epillepsy]

Imo if you can somehow get the book for free it might be an interesting read just for the sake of how it's a common book and unofficial introduction to sexual dynamics and pick up artistry that is losely related to some ideas in the manosphere and theories about darktriadmaxxing in the incelosphere.

i have so many books about politics i need to read first.
i know next to nothing about politics and that's preventing me from joining in on high-IQ discussions in other forums.

 

[your personality]

i have so many books about politics i need to read first.

What such books are those (names, subject etc)?

i know next to nothing about politics and that's preventing me from joining in on high-IQ discussions in other forums.

That's okay. Other than gender politics and conflict there's not actually much political discussion here and it's widely agreed by many here now that politics is mostly a cope.

 

[epillepsy]

What such books are those (names, subject etc)?

That's okay. Other than gender politics and conflict there's not actually much political discussion here and it's widely agreed by many here now that politics is mostly a cope.

i'm reading the concept of the political for now by carl schmitt.
also other books in a reading list provided by someone at the other forum.

 

[your personality]

i'm reading the concept of the politic for now by carl schmitt.
also other books in a reading list provided by someone at the other forum.

Imo a lot of political cope is also well consumed online. You can easily look up new concepts and how they interact with older concepts when browsing online for that kind of thing. But Ig there's advantages of more static, more traditional hardcover political texts too like how it can keep your attention for longer and you aren't as tempted to skim through sections outlining different aspects of and implications of different political schools of thought.

 

[epillepsy]

Imo a lot of political cope is also well consumed online. You can easily look up new concepts and how they interact with older concepts. But Ig there's advantages of more static, more traditional hardcover political texts too like how it can keep your attention for longer and you aren't as tempted to skim through sections outlining different aspects of and implications of different political schools of thought.

i find it interesting though, so i'm reading it because i want to read it.
yukio mishima got into politics at the end of his life, so i think it might be justified to learn about it even for literary purposes.

 

[Arch Anemone]

Yeah, I remember those days. 1993 I was in high school.

That's the problem. Back in those days you were a kook if you tired to relate your experiences truthfully as man. You as an ugly man, were on an island, with nobody but your friends (if you were lucky enough to have them) to bounce things off of.

I sat in my homeroom classroom one morning and counted the women who had relationships and the men who had relationships.

And that is when 80-20 first became apparent to me. That's when I first got that number. All throughout my life I used that number, in college, it was true. As a young adult it was true. Then when I first saw the okcupid dating statistics in 2009, I was the least surprised when I saw the 80-20 graph.

Finally something I knew as fact for so long get some real data behind it.

Every year of my life I blamed myself. 1993-2009 I sat there and said I wasn't good enough. It was my problem. I wasn't working hard enough.

Then the data came out and I could finally say society is broken and it isn't me.