Serious Thought experiment: Suppose IQ could be "seen" straight away just by looking at someone.

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Suppose IQ could be "seen" straight away just by looking at someone. As in you could instantly, accurately and reliably gauge someone's IQ on sight. Their IQ is as visible as their face and height, and would be noticed at the same time as those things. And suppose this were the case for as long as humans have existed.

In this hypothetical universe, would women prefer IQ over everything else, including even face (and height, etc.)?

I honestly think they would have. Face would still be very important, but it would be 2nd place like height is currently 2nd place behind face. Height would be 3rd.

And in such a world (hypergamy + women selecting mainly for IQ) the average IQ by now would be unfathomably higher than it is now. You wouldn't even be able to put a numerical value on it compared to the average IQ here because the benchmarks we have for IQ would be hilariously saturated in this hypothetical world. Even the biggest idiot in that world would breeze through the stanford-binet getting every question right. The millennium prize problems would be part of the preschool curriculum. We'd have a type 2 civilization (kardashev scale), a dyson sphere, and would have terraformed and colonized the moon and mars in the very least. Cancer? Every single one cured in 50,000 B.C. Aging? A thing of the past. And this is assuming biological humans even exist at all and haven't completely merged with AI.

Now you might be thinking "but we have ways of roughly gauging IQ now, such as occupation and educational attainment". The problem is, those things aren't instantly visible like face is. And more importantly, our instincts haven't evolved to grasp concepts like "occupation" "education level" or even "currency" so it's not primal (which is why women aren't aggressively selecting for IQ like they are for facial attractiveness) but in this hypothetical world, it would be.

But what do you guys think? I think my opinion is going to be at least somewhat unpopular.

 

[Caichan]

they never cared about behavior

 

[GrAYnigger]

That IQ number won't make them horny in bed though. Height and face have their use when having sex.

 

[DoomThreeKoala]

IQ would definitely be WAY more important, but it wouldn't trump face/height. I'd say it would be on par with height.

 

[deleted dude]

Women prefer high T Low IQ thugs so I believe it won't make a difference in their mating preferences

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

they never cared about behavior

We're not just talking about "behavior" though, we're talking about a hypothetical world where IQ would be instantly visible like face is. Like you could see a giant number over their head showing their IQ, something like that.

 

[Grodd]

No they'd still pick Looks and Height, even irl aside from this hypothetical even tho IQ isn't necessarily seen straight away foids still choose Chads who are dumb over other Men with superior intellect but less attractive.

 

[deleted dude]

Women biologically choose for indicators of physical strength and IQ isn't an indicator of that in the past directly.

 

[Sir Silentium]

I suppose they would still go for the most physically attractive man, that would only make sense to me.
But of course if the number was visible the IQ number would play a larger role, but nothing too major.

 

[NIGGA BANBAN]

IQ would definitely be WAY more important, but it wouldn't trump face/height. I'd say it would be on par with height.

Since good genetics usually come in package, it's high likely that most of good looking men will be equipped with high IQ anyways.

 

[deleted dude]

No they'd still pick Looks and Height, even irl aside from this hypothetical even tho IQ isn't necessarily seen straight away foids still choose Chads who are dumb over other Men with superior intellect but less attractive.

Low inhib low IQ attractive thug >>>>>>> High IQ attractive dude who is more risk averse. Women still are attracted to drama as well as dangerous behavior (emotional ups and downs). Same way modern women fuck men in public spaces because it makes them more horny due to taboo effect

 

[Sex-Starved Beast]

I don't know, surely it would matter because it would be a metric that you can't hide and that would determine your status. But that's not just for IQ, it would work the same way for anything, imagine if we had our salary printed on our forehead...
It would mostly be for intrasexual competition, as foids wouldn't want to have a boyfriend with a lower number that the ones of their friends' boyfriends.
But about IQ specifically, I don't know how things would change. It would bring to huge societal changes and chain effects, so I can't predict how foids would behave about it.

 

[wereq]

In this hypothetical universe, would women prefer IQ over everything else, including even face (and height, etc.)?

No they'd still choose physicality. Physicality is linked to sexuality, vitality, disease resistance, and reproductive success, not IQ. Physicality is much more critical to life success, survivability, and reproductive success than IQ.

 

[deleted dude]

No they'd still choose physicality. Physicality is linked to sexuality and vitality not IQ.

I'm surprised about the muh IQ copers in here. Makes me question the average intelligence on the forum of particularly new users

 

[deleted dude]

Since good genetics usually come in package, it's high likely that most of good looking men will be equipped with high IQ anyways.

It has a small correlation. It does not have a total or very significant correlation. A lot is also up to random chance. Genetic recombination makes conception a funny gamble.

 

[wereq]

I'm surprised about the muh IQ copers in here. Makes me question the average intelligence on the forum of particularly new users

IQ correlates inversely with reproductive success. If you think about it, this makes sense because intelligence is an adaptation that compensates for lack of physical strength.

 

[deleted dude]

I suppose they would still go for the most physically attractive man, that would only make sense to me.
But of course if the number was visible the IQ number would play a larger role, but nothing too major.

I think this is an acceptable conclusion. Perhaps due to social influences, women would be more likely to choose the higher IQ individual, but that would not be thanks to her initial preferences, but due to the females submissive and approval-seeking nature.

 

[Usopp-sama]

50,000 B.C

Too much.
In less than 500 years humans will achieve all that I'd say. AI is really strong.

 

[deleted dude]

IQ correlates inversely with reproductive success. If you think about it, this makes sense because intelligence is an adaptation that compensates for lack of physical strength.

Exactly. That is the only reason we have been able to survive throughout millennia. The jews are a prime example of IQ compensating for physical inferiority.

 

[wereq]

Exactly. That is the only reason we have been able to survive throughout millennia. The jews are a prime example of IQ compensating for physical inferiority.

All the demographics who've prioritized IQ over the cultivation of physical excellence eventually end up getting marginalized, persecuted, and genocided.

 

[NIGGA BANBAN]

I think this is an acceptable conclusion. Perhaps due to social influences, women would be more likely to choose the higher IQ individual, but that would not be thanks to her initial preferences, but due to the females submissive and approval-seeking nature.

Agreed.

They still would've fucked low IQ thugs if they were attractive enough, but not openly, as it would've been a blow to their reputation.

I suppose in that hypothetical reality, having a low IQ, and especially the one way below the average, would've been seen in a similar manner as being with someone with a small penis. Of course not on the same level, but still just as bad. Not many people would want to date a downie, even if they were hot, so IQ does to some of extend still play a role.

 

[jotaro92]

women dont want low iq, thats why we are here

 

[CRASH THE CUCK]

That IQ number won't make them horny in bed though. Height and face have their use when having sex.

 

[deleted dude]

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[Wolnir]

Looks over everything

 

[LeFrenchCel]

Looks over everything

 

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[Macaca nigra]

Looks over everything

 

[fokusin]

Looks over everything

 

[The Death Devil]

I usually agree with you 95% of the time, but I'm going to have to disagree this time. The concept is kind of abstract already, so it's kind of difficult for me to understand exactly what a world like that would look like, but I don't see how a guy having a higher-IQ would be beneficial to women on a primal level other than offering them the chance to figure out who possesses more resources that they can leech from.

I don't doubt that IQ would be influential to some higher degree than it is now, but not so far as to be the second most important thing that a woman selects for in a sexual partner. The closest comparison we would probably have in the real world—as you implied—is wealth since that's a pretty reliable way of gauging someone's IQ in most cases. In which case, even if you go out wearing gold chains and Rolex watches, it doesn't really change the fact that women aren't attracted to you. Not to say that they won't try leeching from you, but that's betabuxxing and isn't actual attraction.

Although, maybe I'm just misunderstanding what you've said?

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

but I don't see how a guy having a higher-IQ would be beneficial to women on a primal level other than offering them the chance to figure out who possesses more resources that they can leech from.

Genetic quality (higher IQ, thus more successful offspring)

 

[Lonelyus]

Women would fuck the chad in the war machine film so badly, They are whores for faces.

Face always wins.

 

[The Death Devil]

Genetic quality (higher IQ, thus more successful offspring)

You're right, I hadn't actually thought of that...

The problem is, those things aren't instantly visible like face is. And more importantly, our instincts haven't evolved to grasp concepts like "occupation" "education level" or even "currency" so it's not primal (which is why women aren't aggressively selecting for IQ like they are for facial attractiveness) but in this hypothetical world, it would be.

And paired with this, I'm actually more convinced that you have a point. If we were to assume that women had a primal desire to be with someone who was higher-IQ, I don't really see any reason why face or height would be desired to the same degree that IQ would be—since IQ serves infinitely more of a practical use than the other two, and all...

I suppose I had just been quick to dismiss your idea because of how seemingly abstract the idea is. I was still thinking in terms of what you see in our actual world. I also don't think there is any real instance of something like this happening in nature. That being said, I've never bothered trying to grasp how evolution really works on a biological level... Although, I must say, it's rather funny imagining women literally getting turned on by some guy's intelligence, LOL!

 

[LOLI BREEDING]

it is pretty visible. phenotype tells a great deal

 

[cathuluelitist]

Suppose IQ could be "seen" straight away just by looking at someone. As in you could instantly, accurately and reliably gauge someone's IQ on sight. Their IQ is as visible as their face and height, and would be noticed at the same time as those things. And suppose this were the case for as long as humans have existed.

In this hypothetical universe, would women prefer IQ over everything else, including even face (and height, etc.)?

I honestly think they would have. Face would still be very important, but it would be 2nd place like height is currently 2nd place behind face. Height would be 3rd.

And in such a world (hypergamy + women selecting mainly for IQ) the average IQ by now would be unfathomably higher than it is now. You wouldn't even be able to put a numerical value on it compared to the average IQ here because the benchmarks we have for IQ would be hilariously saturated in this hypothetical world. Even the biggest idiot in that world would breeze through the stanford-binet getting every question right. The millennium prize problems would be part of the preschool curriculum. We'd have a type 2 civilization (kardashev scale), a dyson sphere, and would have terraformed and colonized the moon and mars in the very least. Cancer? Every single one cured in 50,000 B.C. Aging? A thing of the past. And this is assuming biological humans even exist at all and haven't completely merged with AI.

Now you might be thinking "but we have ways of roughly gauging IQ now, such as occupation and educational attainment". The problem is, those things aren't instantly visible like face is. And more importantly, our instincts haven't evolved to grasp concepts like "occupation" "education level" or even "currency" so it's not primal (which is why women aren't aggressively selecting for IQ like they are for facial attractiveness) but in this hypothetical world, it would be.

But what do you guys think? I think my opinion is going to be at least somewhat unpopular.

Women want someone socially competent and dominant not smart generally. In this hypothetical, IQ would be more important but it would still be below height and looks because of how primal and meretricious women are.

 

[Misogynist Vegeta]

IQ has never mattered for mate selection, even for men.

 

[Yunoo]

Then having high iq would be a status symbol. Women would want bfs with high iq so they can show off to their friends

 

[SlayerSlayer]

women don't measure dicks with IQs they don't even need a ruler. They don't even need you to take your pants off. They just know.

 

[Sir Silentium]

I think this is an acceptable conclusion. Perhaps due to social influences, women would be more likely to choose the higher IQ individual, but that would not be thanks to her initial preferences, but due to the females submissive and approval-seeking nature.

Yes I agree.
Looks Trumps all, but if the somewhat attractive man has a noticeably low IQ she will probably worry about what her friends think of her - female nature.

 

[fatass30000]

i don’t think anything would change, your brain subconsciously already gets an idea of someone’s iq when speaking to them.

 

[Maikowski]

IQ correlates inversely with reproductive success. If you think about it, this makes sense because intelligence is an adaptation that compensates for lack of physical strength.

"high IQ = weak man" is just slave morality fallacy where being a strong man is seen as evil.

"genetic quality" doesn't matter to women, they just fuck the good looking fent addict

 

[Dead End]

It would certainly matter a ton for deciding who to reproduce with, even if it wouldn't matter as much for physical attraction. Parents are generally obsessed with the idea of their children being unique and talented, viewing them as status symbols. They want their children to be viewed as competent and successful because that reflects well on them and feeds into their ego.

 

[D. B. Gooner]

IQ is such a cope, made by ugly people. It is vague, unverifiable, and not accurately quantifiable. It is trying to distort reality, that being that we should be able to tell how valuable a person is in one glance.

If you look at a well developed, good looking guy, you know he is stronger than you, you know his ancestors gathered recourses better, he is simply superior. But with IQ, deformed people have this lingering hope that they are somehow secretly more intelligent than a guy with a more developed skull and properly developed brain.

If he is physically superior to you in every single way, it should logically follow that he is also more intelligent, after all intelligence has it's roots in the physical. If you get brain damage you become less intellectually functional, so wouldn't a person with more skull space for a fully developed brain also be more intelligent? Academics have clouded people's perception of intelligence.

 

[bdx]

i do this thought experiment all the time. i think it would definitely play a role, but still not as much as looks. it would be a status symbol like height and simple enough for the average retarded foid brain to grasp, i.e. bigger = better. so many foids love propping their guy up by bringing up their job and education thinking i give a shit, but it just makes me roll my eyes. it's funny talking to these dudes and they have the personality of a brick wall and there's no chemistry between them. it's so obvious the foid is only into him because of his looks and just waiting for someone hotter to show up so she can bounce.

 

[RandomGuy]

High IQ foids.


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[foidslayer4ever]

Hypergamy is based on looks and status and hierarchy, IQ doesn't matter since a lower IQ can still mog the higher iq and the foid brain will go to face and height first, foids don't have iq to want it jfl