SuicideFuel This is embarrassing to admit but sometimes, I wish I could be held by a girl

[Deleted member 101]

It’s not manly but sometimes I want to be held by a girl I’m in a relationship with because I’m not the most stoic, manly guy out there and sometimes I’d like someone to have my back while at the same time providing intimacy.

I’m not talking about using said person as a therapist or what but it’d be nice to have a girl offer to cuddle you or have her be the spoon after a tough day or whenever you feel down. Rub your hair while you lay her head in her lap. She doesn’t have to solve my problems. She can help, but she doesn’t have to solve them for me. She would be my biggest fan, my number one supporter. I could come to her if there’s anything on my mind, anything bugging me, with no fear of being judged. I would do all that for her, too.

I’d also cuddle the shit outta her lol.

God this is so disgustingly beta but I’ve been on r/rolereversal lately and other than some of the more weird stuff (mainly involving sex or totally emasculating the guy), a lot of it seems lovely, having the female in the relationship be the protector to the man, or the rock.
I guess this is due to me being submissive because of my shyness, timidness and lack of charisma. I identify with a lot of the art or stories posted there because I think that would be more ideal with my personality. I also sometimes gravitate towards fiction with this stuff (particularly anime and manga since you’ll find it more often than other forms of media). I’m sure if I was a manly, extroverted Chad I wouldn’t ever think about these things, but I’m not. I don’t even want to be this guy. But it’s the only guy desirable to women. No girl wants a dude who’s anxious, timid, short, unattractive, or cries a few times a year. No girl wants a depressed dude. No girl wants to hear my deepest, darkest thoughts or my insecurities. Because that is weak. I’m expected to not be insecure and have all my shit together because of my gender. I can’t have her be a shoulder to cry on or be a source of strength when I’m weak. Shit doesn’t work like that.

But I’ll never be loved. No woman will ever love me. Even if I became Chad tomorrow no woman will ever love me the way I want to because women aren’t wired that way. The blackpill has destroyed any hope of me ever fulfilling my hopes and dreams of having a close, loving bond in a romantic, sexual relationship with a girl.
But it’s better to accept the truth than lie to yourself.
Women want scum of the earth like Jeremy Meeks. Good looking, tall, lean men who treat people like shit and dominate. Not men like me.

I can’t even call myself a man lmao, I could never win a fight and whenever people bully me I either cower like a scared animal or react with rage but in a way that makes me look pathetic. I could never protect myself or a girl.

I need to stop clinging to this shit or I’ll go insane.

I deserve to be euthanized.

oh yeah IT won’t touch this and if this post makes it there with a high amount of upvotes/comments I will eat my own shit for a week

 

[Words2_live_bye]

I not only want to be held by a girl, but have a girl cuddle with me and lay in my arms

 

[Deleted member 101]

I not only want to be held by a girl, but have a girl cuddle with me and lay in my arms

Same.

 

[Joker]

To be so devoid of human affection that we resort to fantasizing about something so simple as being held...
This is the end-result of Inceldom
I understand your pain OP

 

[Total Imbecile]

I know its low T as fuck to admit it but I have to agree

 

[Deleted member 101]

I know its low T as fuck to admit it but I have to agree

Might be high T chads who want this but won’t admit it for fear of getting dunk’d on by his bros or disgusting his chicks

 

[Deleted member 22571]

Same tbh. I want a gf that treats me like an older sister would basically.

 

[Akhnai]

whenever people bully me I either cower like a scared animal or react with rage but in a way that makes me look

 

[KingOfRome]

So you want a mom you can fuck, basically. Actually pretty common around these parts.

Some hookers will be happy to cuddle with you if you pay them. Others will kick you out after you cum. Unfortunately, there's no real way to tell which is which apart from reading reviews or looking for GFE (girlfriend experience) on their list of services. You might just have to roll the dice on that one if you've never escortcelled before.

 

[Deleted member 101]

So you want a mom you can fuck, basically. Actually pretty common around these parts.

Some hookers will be happy to cuddle with you if you pay them. Others will kick you out after you cum. Unfortunately, there's no real way to tell which is which apart from reading reviews or looking for GFE (girlfriend experience) on their list of services. You might just have to roll the dice on that one if you've never escortcelled before.

Eh idk if I’d want full on mommy GF. Don’t wanna be treated totally like my mom treats me. Would be offputting.
But someone with some with the best qualities of a mother and a best friend at the same time? Someone to shoot the shit with and laugh and hang out with, bond over common interests and have fun together, but also someone who’d be there for you and take care of you when you’re not feeling well, physically or emotionally? And you get to have sex with her and a regular basis? That’s what I want.
I’d do all this for her too, of course.

 

[KingOfRome]

Eh idk if I’d want full on mommy GF. Don’t wanna be treated totally like my mom treats me.
But someone with some with the best qualities of a mother and a best friend at the same time? That’s what I want.

Lucky for you, escorts in their 30's and late 20's tend to be the most accommodating. A scammer or cop is also far less likely to pose as an escort over 25. You should be able to find an escort who'll be your mommy bff if you look in the right places.

 

[Deleted member 101]

Lucky for you, escorts in their 30's and late 20's tend to be the most accommodating. A scammer or cop is also far less likely to pose as an escort over 25. You might be able to find an escort who'll be your mommy bff if you look in the right places.

Problem is escorts aren’t permanent, good ones cost a lot of money, and I don’t think I could get over the fact that it’s all fake. Would be like gluing a paper cutout of your waifu’s face to a broomstick and dancing with it.
And while this is stupid, I’d be unable to keep myself wondering what’s going on in her head during the thing. Is she disgusted that she has to do this since she’s getting paid? Is she gonna mock me to her friends after the occasion? Does she hate me with the force of 10,000 suns while pretending to love me?

I mean I could also pay some guys to pretend to be my friend. I want some friends, too. But I wouldn’t be able to accept that I’m paying for them to pretend.

Personally I’m gonna wait until just before my 30th birthday before considering an escort if I don’t ascend by then, just so I can avoid becoming a wizard.

 

[KingOfRome]

And while this is stupid, I’d be unable to keep myself wondering what’s going on in her head during the thing. Is she disgusted that she has to do this since she’s getting paid? Is she gonna mock me to her friends after the occasion? Does she hate me with the force of 10,000 suns while pretending to love me?

I mean I could also pay some guys to pretend to be my friend. I want some friends, too. But I wouldn’t be able to accept that I’m paying for them to

These thoughts won't even occur to you until after the session. Escorts are very good at pretending to be attracted to you. The ones who don't even try are the lazy unprofessional ones who won't last long in the business anyway.

Problem is escorts aren’t permanent, good ones cost a lot of money, and I don’t think I could get over the fact that it’s all fake. Would be like gluing a paper cutout of your waifu’s face to a broomstick and dancing with it.

Real girlfriends are impermanent and expensive, too. The only difference is buying an escort is an honest one-off transaction while playing the dating game as a LVM involves pretenses where you're both pretending you're not trading indentured servitude for once-a-month starfish sex, if even that, and you risk the humiliation of getting cuckolded. Healthy relationships based on love and raw mutual attraction do exist, but not for LVM's like us, sorry.

 

[Deleted member 101]

These thoughts won't even occur to you until after the session. Escorts are very good at pretending to be attracted to you. The ones who don't even try are the lazy unprofessional ones who won't last long in the business anyway.


Real girlfriends are impermanent and expensive, too. The only difference is buying an escort is an honest one-off transaction while playing the dating game as a LVM involves pretenses where you're both pretending you're not trading indentured servitude for once-a-month starfish sex, if even that, and you risk the humiliation of getting cuckolded. Healthy relationships based on love and raw mutual attraction do exist, but not for LVM's like us, sorry.

The problem is that my own paranoia would not get these thoughts out of my head even if she was good at pretending. If I could read her mind and found out that she wishes I could die because I’m so disgusting I would end it right there. I’m not asking to marry her but I would at least kind of like to be seen as “okay” by people who service me.

and even then girlfriends are still probably less expensive than regularly seeing real escorts, but since we are LVM’s, then I don’t see how anything could be better.
get an escort, it’s fake and you feel bad about it
Get a girlfriend by some miracle, she treats you like shit because she wants something better

it’s a no-win scenario

plus I would be deeply afraid of becoming “attached” to a hooker because apparently when you have sex, you produce hormones that cause you to continue to be around this girl you’re fucking. Combine that with my lack of romantic or sexual experiences with women and I feel like I may lose the ability for logic.

 

[Deleted member 15737]

You need to stop living in fuckin’ la la land

 

[Deleted member 101]

You need to stop living in fuckin’ la la land

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Sup, Eggy.

Anyway I’d believe this shit would be possible if I lived in la la land. Not even Chad could get this.

 

[A_Broken_Person]

You're not weak for this, everyone wants to both be held and to hold someone

 

[Monk of Failure]

You got Stepmom. You can do stepmom maxxing

 

[Deleted member 101]

You're not weak for this, everyone wants to both be held and to hold someone

I was told to kill myself for being soy for expressing thoughts like these two days ago lmao

You got Stepmom. You can do stepmom maxxing

You lose the desire to cuddle with parents once you're in high school

 

[A_Broken_Person]

I was told to kill myself for being soy for expressing thoughts like these two days ago lmao

You lose the desire to cuddle with parents once you're in high school

Well whoever did that was retarded because this is an incel forum, the whole point is kinda to talk about how much pain inceldom causes us and how much we want more

 

[Deleted member 101]

Well whoever did that was retarded because this is an incel forum, the whole point is kinda to talk about how much pain inceldom causes us and how much we want more

Well quite a few members think it's cucked to not want to only pump and dump women
Or rape them

 

[A_Broken_Person]

Well quite a few members think it's cucked to not want to only pump and dump women
Or rape them

Those are just edgy faggots tbqh
I'd argue you're less soy than them for not trying to puff out your chest all the time and pretend you don't feel this way, over-compensating

 

[KingOfRome]

The problem is that my own paranoia would not get these thoughts out of my head even if she was good at pretending. If I could read her mind and found out that she wishes I could die because I’m so disgusting I would end it right there. I’m not asking to marry her but I would at least kind of like to be seen as “okay” by people who service me.

You don't know any of this for sure until you try. You can't read her mind, so all you're left with is a service provider who's willing to convince you of something you desperately want to believe, and who also smells nice and is soft and relaxing to touch, because that's what you paid for. And if you want to be reasonably sure she doesn't hate you, literally just be nice and take a shower; you'll be at least in her top 50% of clients even if you're not Chad.

and even then girlfriends are still probably less expensive than regularly seeing real escorts, but since we are LVM’s, then I don’t see how anything could be better.
get an escort, it’s fake and you feel bad about it
Get a girlfriend by some miracle, she treats you like shit because she wants something better

You only feel bad about it because you were socialized to. If you embrace your fate as a subhuman and outcast, you'll realize on a deeper level that you're not beholden to society's expectations of its men because you're not one of them.

plus I would be deeply afraid of becoming “attached” to a hooker because apparently when you have sex, you produce hormones that cause you to continue to be around this girl you’re fucking. Combine that with my lack of romantic or sexual experiences with women and I feel like I may lose the ability for logic.

Attachment is a real risk, unfortunately, though it's not as bad as you think, especially once you've been doing it for a while with a few different escorts. It never completely goes away, but you should get to a point where it doesn't really matter fairly quickly.

 

[Deleted member 101]

You don't know any of this for sure until you try. You can't read her mind, so all you're left with is a service provider who's willing to convince you of something you desperately want to believe, and who also smells nice and is soft and relaxing to touch, because that's what you paid for. And if you want to be reasonably sure she doesn't hate you, literally just be nice and take a shower; you'll be at least in her top 50% of clients even if you're not Chad.


You only feel bad about it because you were socialized to. If you embrace your fate as a subhuman and outcast, you'll realize on a deeper level that you're not beholden to society's expectations of its men because you're not one of them.


Attachment is a real risk, unfortunately, though it's not as bad as you think, especially once you've been doing it for a while with a few different escorts. It never completely goes away, but you should get to a point where it doesn't really matter fairly quickly.

Well I'm always very concerned with what others think of me tbh. And even then I'm not good looking. My physique isn't great (not giant 600lb lard but I still have weight to lose) and I'm not that good looking overall
I would really hope she actually enjoys the experience even if it was done only for money but she probably won't and I wanna have sex with someone who enjoys it with me

I don't think I'll ever accept or embrace being an outcast. It hurts too much. It hurts constantly being reminded on what I'll never have.

Like I said I am gonna wait until I'm near wizard status before seriously considering escorts.

 

[A_Broken_Person]

Well I'm always very concerned with what others think of me tbh. And even then I'm not good looking. My physique isn't great (not giant 600lb lard but I still have weight to lose) and I'm not that good looking overall
I would really hope she actually enjoys the experience even if it was done only for money but she probably won't and I wanna have sex with someone who enjoys it with me

I don't think I'll ever accept or embrace being an outcast. It hurts too much. It hurts constantly being reminded on what I'll never have.

Like I said I am gonna wait until I'm near wizard status before seriously considering escorts.

Don't listen to this nonsense, escortcelling is degenerate and paying women for sex is one of the many reasons inceldom exists in the first place

 

[Deleted member 101]

Don't listen to this nonsense, escortcelling is degenerate and paying women for sex is one of the many reasons inceldom exists in the first place

I do wanna experience sex before I die, tho

 

[A_Broken_Person]

I do wanna experience sex before I die, tho

Just don't resort to that so early in your life, please

 

[Deleted member 101]

Just don't resort to that so early in your life, please

Already said when I'm just before 30, but at 23 I'm already very old for a virgin

 

[A_Broken_Person]

Already said when I'm just before 30, but at 23 I'm already very old for a virgin

23 is not old, you're still a kid man

 

[KingOfRome]

Well I'm always very concerned with what others think of me tbh. And even then I'm not good looking. My physique isn't great (not giant 600lb lard but I still have weight to lose) and I'm not that good looking overall
I would really hope she actually enjoys the experience even if it was done only for money but she probably won't and I wanna have sex with someone who enjoys it with me

I don't think I'll ever accept or embrace being an outcast. It hurts too much. It hurts constantly being reminded on what I'll never have.

Like I said I am gonna wait until I'm near wizard status before seriously considering escorts.

Manual stimulation of the clitoris and g-spot pretty much guarantee she'll enjoy it on least some level. She'll close her eyes and pretend you're Chad. Some people here may think your attitude is cucked, but it's a good way of getting the most value for your money. A good escort will appreciate your considerateness and respond with more enthusiastic service.

If you're in the US, which I assume you are since you use pounds to measure weight instead of kilograms, please don't wait. Things have been pretty bad since Backpage was nuked some time ago, and they're only going to get worse. You might not even have the opportunity to hire an escort by the time you start pushing 30, and in the meantime, you'll still have the albatross of virginity hanging over your head. You will never, never, never have a relationship based on love or mutual attraction. Paying for an act is the next best thing.

23 is not old, you're still a kid man

Virgin past 22 is hopeless.

 

[⠀⠀⠀]

I'm craving that as well. I want to smell her hair and feel her warmth.

 

[fast_curry]

I’m not talking about using said person as a therapist

Why not? A fuckable 10/10 therapist who doesn't give you normie-tier suggestions and exclusive to you is exactly what I want from a gf.

 

[Deleted member 101]

Why not? A fuckable 10/10 therapist who doesn't give you normie-tier suggestions and exclusive to you is exactly what I want from a gf.

Dumping all your problems onto someone all the time is a pretty shitty thing to do. Not just in romantic relationships but in friendships, too.