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I find this particularly interesting because NeverGetUp doesn't even have what they'd consider 'incelish beliefs', he doesn't express any negative sentiment against women, nor feminism (he believes women have it difficult too), he's not misogynistic in any regard and as far as I can tell, he treats his wife very well, they genuinely seem to love each other, a true rarity these days. He's not diminishing or dismissing challenges women face, he's quite simply showing the world the challenges he faces as a man, even most feminists would concede that men do face some challenges and discrimination in specific areas that women do not. If you actually watched the video you'd see that he never said men had it harder than women, he said that women have their own challenges that should not be ignored but as he's a man not a woman, he's going to talk about the issues he can personally speak to. He said ver batim: 'Being a woman is hard'.
THE GEEZER ISN'T EVEN BLAMING WOMEN, HE'S BLAMING SOCIETY AT LARGE, reflect on that (and watch the video!) before you accuse him of things he didn't say and doesn't believe.
One of his primary talking points in that video is actually a feminist one (that I agree with), society doesn't expect men to be caring or involved fathers, while his wife was offered several free programmes and support groups that give advice on raising and caring for a child, he as the father was offered jack shit, nothing. Fathers should ABSOLUTELY be offered these sorts of resources, the belief that only the woman should be the one caring for and nurturing the child is ironically rather anti-feminist, it's best for all parties that both parents take an equal and active role in raising their children, in fact, it's extremely inconsiderate to expect the new mother to do all the work while she's recovering from childbirth and pregnancy, at this time, it's imperative for the father to do more than his fair share of work in raising the child in order to allow the mother to recover her strength. So failing to offer these programmes to men actually hurts women more than it hurts men.
It's much less common but postpartum depression does manifest in males, and I myself wasn't aware that even existed until I heard DanTDM (remember him?) in some sort of podcast, it was eye-opening so I believe men should also receive these mental health resources, it'd be to the benefit of everyone in the family, when you're depressed, you can't even take care of yourself, let alone a child and a wife who's just given birth an potentially experiencing postpartum depression or psychosis themselves.
He did later speak about how the nurses asked his wife multiple times in private about whether or not he was abusing her and such, which he was annoyed about. As far as I'm aware, it's standard practise in the field which is obviously very important but like he said in the video, if one is falsely accused in this scenario, even with the woman's word as the only evidence, that information would still be filed away with his name attached to it which could potentially ruin his life. I have no issue with his wife being asked that but when a man is accused in that situation, they should have to stand trial and be convicted of that crime before their name is officially attached to abuse in documents accessible by the government. One should be treated as Innocent until proven guilty.
Wow, this post go longer than I expected, I hope some of the people commenting in the original IT post are able to listen to my points without prejudice as I listened to their, open-mindedness is imperative, and innumerable people across all spectra of belief seem to be deficient in it, including people here and people on IT. When I talk to someone I disagree with, I'm always open to changing my mind and adopting their viewpoint if they provide sufficient evidence to support it, everyone should have this mindset, discourse would be far more civil, productive and respectful.
The part that baffled me is that he did EVERYTHING right (recognised women's issues, blamed societal expectations of men, not women as a monolith etc.) and yet they still turned on him, and tore him to shreds they never cared about him, they cared about what he appeared to represent. (even if they disagreed on some points, they should tell him respectfully just like he expressed his own view respectfully to them).
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