In the 70s and early 80s, with the sexual revolution and counter-culture movement going on, young women started to be liberated and began to screw around, but during that time period, unlike today, the male "beauty standard" had not yet been standardized, so girls were fucking around with young men of all kinds, according to their own desires (which was diverse), instead of conforming to social norms and peer-pressure like they do today. For an average or below average young man, it was a matter of "have more" or "have less" when it comes to sex, not "have" or "have not" like it is today.
This explains why on this forum and other incel forums, time to time you see threads pop up about how older females (55+) praises the incel 5/10 guy as "handsome". The reason is they do see these young men as decent looking. Back in the 70s and early 80s, these young men would have got laid.
Male beauty standard began to shift in the 80s, and also, the sexual revolution came to an end, and conservatives began to push back the liberated culture. The new shifted popular culture was also propagated by new tech, such as TV, and later on color TV. TV became a household staple beginning in 70s and only in 80s it started to aid in the shifting of culture. To make an analogy, social media and mobile phone resulted in current elevated female hypergamy, but social media and mobiles were already a thing in 2004 with things like myspace and okcupid, but the destructive effect began many years later with new things like Tinder and Instagram on smartphones which are 100000x more tpowerful than early-mid 2000's Nokia's. Why 80s was a turning point was due to several factors. It's a combination of pushback from conservatives, new techs and new disease.
First is the pushback from conservatives. Just like Iran and Afghanistan had a brief period of secularization and urban women were "liberated" but then the conservatives pushed back and resulted in Iranian revolution and the overthrown of Afghan government (which led to Soviet-Afghan war), the American conservatives, after the 70s sex revolution, began to push back. It cultimanted in the election of Ronald Reagan who pushed conservative values throughout his presidency, including the start of the (in)famous war on drugs.
Now if it was just that, it would be just a brief comeback of conservatives values, but they got an unexpected aid, the AIDS. AIDS had a very significant impact on the culture at that time. It was scary, deadly, couldn't be cured, and it was associated with sins like drug use, promiscuity and homosexuality. The AIDS scare was a huge ally for conservatives. Before the HIV epidemics in US, sex was much more casual even compared to today. The gays had bathhouses all over major US cities, where gay men would go there, get naked, and fuck with random strangers. As the gays from that time period put it, most bugs could just be cured with some antibiotic shots, the worst you could get was hepatitis. It was "worth" it for them. Sexual deviations, even as demonized as pedophilia today, almost became "mainstream" and legalized, before the conservative pushback in 80s. 70s and early 80s was also known as the "Golden Age of Porn", and explicit sex scenes in movies was also going mainstream, even explicit movies themselves were gaining mainstream acceptance and applauds, a typical example would be "Deepthroat". Again, all these trends got pushed back from mid-80s and onwards.
Now the TV aspect. Fashion changes all the time. For instance in the 19th century males had long hair, and high status men had wigs, and wore makeups. and before mid-20th century every men had to wear hats outdoors. During the 70s and early 80s, male beauty standard was not like it is today. Chads were not particularly favored and muscular men were not seen as more attractive. The fashion and beauty standards in the 70s and early 80s were different. The main focus was on accessories, hair styles, and clothes. First the hippies fahsion, then when hippies finished college and entered white collar labor force, these men had hairstyles such as long sideburns and looked according to modern standards quite dorky. and women had big glasses, and then in early 80s had big hairs, and jeans. Note everything in these fashion trends was accesible for an average person: having a haircut, glasses, some clothes, don't be obese. Unlike today's beauty standards, which switched to things much more difficult or even impossible to obtain or maintain, such as being muscular, being tall, having a chad face, full stubble, a big penis etc. things that are genetic for which a person has much less or no control of. Being handsome and tall were still advantageous back then, but it was not like a requirement like today
It started to change in the mid 80s, with the advent of TV and promotion of a new, bodybuilding sub-culture, a trend entirely manufactured by TV-era marketing. Do you know all these "protein powders" like whey protein used to be worthless and was only fed to pigs and chickens? The mid-80s started this bodybuilding fad primarily with the help of colored TV, and having muscles suddenly became an important masculine trait. You started seeing muscular and "fit" men to dominate the screens, small screens in your living room and big ones in movie theaters. one of most well known icon would be Arnold Schwarzenegger, who got famous due to bodybuilding. Rambo would be another example of the new male beauty standard. Other examples include Baywatch in the late 80s and 90s, a tv show that was said to be one of the most watched show in the world, which IMO signify the completion of the cultural shift starting in the mid-80s, the hippies were no more, replacing them were the new, muscular surfer chads on the beach, accompanies of course by bikini-cladded blonde stacies. The chads and stacys were officially born.
Regarding ethnic-cels, the cultural shift resulted in their demise. Before the mid-80s, rice and curry were not in bad positions. In the west, Asians were a rarity and didn't suffer much negative stereotypes and dating locals were easier back then compared to today. Todays new culture in the west put rice and curry into a disadvantage, and they no longer have the mystique and exoticness they carried back then due to mass migration.
Compared to 70s and early 80s, 1900s-1960s were ok-ish. The traditional values were still there. Economy was booming, and a man could take a bluecollar job and feed his entire family while his wife didnt have to work. Rich men still had access to more women but for a cel, just having a low level job was enough to get a slim wife. The main difference was that at that time sex was equal to marriage for most men, if you wanted a young woman, you'd ask to marry her. The 70s and early 80s had the unusual characteristics that an average men could have plenty of casual sexual experience, while still being able to settle down with a wife and have family like the old times and the divorce rate was still low. And it is very likely that for this reason, that the bluepill is still so prevalent today. The cels today grew up under the influence, teachings, and upbringings of the prior generation, of which even the average men had it comparatively easy and ended up with a wife and had kids in the late 80s and 90s. That generation brought up their kids with a bluepilled worldview, and their kids grew up with cartoons and tvs made by that bluepilled generation, and educated in schools by that generation. It is no wonder today's western society has reached such maximum soyness.
This explains why on this forum and other incel forums, time to time you see threads pop up about how older females (55+) praises the incel 5/10 guy as "handsome". The reason is they do see these young men as decent looking. Back in the 70s and early 80s, these young men would have got laid.
Male beauty standard began to shift in the 80s, and also, the sexual revolution came to an end, and conservatives began to push back the liberated culture. The new shifted popular culture was also propagated by new tech, such as TV, and later on color TV. TV became a household staple beginning in 70s and only in 80s it started to aid in the shifting of culture. To make an analogy, social media and mobile phone resulted in current elevated female hypergamy, but social media and mobiles were already a thing in 2004 with things like myspace and okcupid, but the destructive effect began many years later with new things like Tinder and Instagram on smartphones which are 100000x more tpowerful than early-mid 2000's Nokia's. Why 80s was a turning point was due to several factors. It's a combination of pushback from conservatives, new techs and new disease.
First is the pushback from conservatives. Just like Iran and Afghanistan had a brief period of secularization and urban women were "liberated" but then the conservatives pushed back and resulted in Iranian revolution and the overthrown of Afghan government (which led to Soviet-Afghan war), the American conservatives, after the 70s sex revolution, began to push back. It cultimanted in the election of Ronald Reagan who pushed conservative values throughout his presidency, including the start of the (in)famous war on drugs.
Now if it was just that, it would be just a brief comeback of conservatives values, but they got an unexpected aid, the AIDS. AIDS had a very significant impact on the culture at that time. It was scary, deadly, couldn't be cured, and it was associated with sins like drug use, promiscuity and homosexuality. The AIDS scare was a huge ally for conservatives. Before the HIV epidemics in US, sex was much more casual even compared to today. The gays had bathhouses all over major US cities, where gay men would go there, get naked, and fuck with random strangers. As the gays from that time period put it, most bugs could just be cured with some antibiotic shots, the worst you could get was hepatitis. It was "worth" it for them. Sexual deviations, even as demonized as pedophilia today, almost became "mainstream" and legalized, before the conservative pushback in 80s. 70s and early 80s was also known as the "Golden Age of Porn", and explicit sex scenes in movies was also going mainstream, even explicit movies themselves were gaining mainstream acceptance and applauds, a typical example would be "Deepthroat". Again, all these trends got pushed back from mid-80s and onwards.
Now the TV aspect. Fashion changes all the time. For instance in the 19th century males had long hair, and high status men had wigs, and wore makeups. and before mid-20th century every men had to wear hats outdoors. During the 70s and early 80s, male beauty standard was not like it is today. Chads were not particularly favored and muscular men were not seen as more attractive. The fashion and beauty standards in the 70s and early 80s were different. The main focus was on accessories, hair styles, and clothes. First the hippies fahsion, then when hippies finished college and entered white collar labor force, these men had hairstyles such as long sideburns and looked according to modern standards quite dorky. and women had big glasses, and then in early 80s had big hairs, and jeans. Note everything in these fashion trends was accesible for an average person: having a haircut, glasses, some clothes, don't be obese. Unlike today's beauty standards, which switched to things much more difficult or even impossible to obtain or maintain, such as being muscular, being tall, having a chad face, full stubble, a big penis etc. things that are genetic for which a person has much less or no control of. Being handsome and tall were still advantageous back then, but it was not like a requirement like today
It started to change in the mid 80s, with the advent of TV and promotion of a new, bodybuilding sub-culture, a trend entirely manufactured by TV-era marketing. Do you know all these "protein powders" like whey protein used to be worthless and was only fed to pigs and chickens? The mid-80s started this bodybuilding fad primarily with the help of colored TV, and having muscles suddenly became an important masculine trait. You started seeing muscular and "fit" men to dominate the screens, small screens in your living room and big ones in movie theaters. one of most well known icon would be Arnold Schwarzenegger, who got famous due to bodybuilding. Rambo would be another example of the new male beauty standard. Other examples include Baywatch in the late 80s and 90s, a tv show that was said to be one of the most watched show in the world, which IMO signify the completion of the cultural shift starting in the mid-80s, the hippies were no more, replacing them were the new, muscular surfer chads on the beach, accompanies of course by bikini-cladded blonde stacies. The chads and stacys were officially born.
Regarding ethnic-cels, the cultural shift resulted in their demise. Before the mid-80s, rice and curry were not in bad positions. In the west, Asians were a rarity and didn't suffer much negative stereotypes and dating locals were easier back then compared to today. Todays new culture in the west put rice and curry into a disadvantage, and they no longer have the mystique and exoticness they carried back then due to mass migration.
Compared to 70s and early 80s, 1900s-1960s were ok-ish. The traditional values were still there. Economy was booming, and a man could take a bluecollar job and feed his entire family while his wife didnt have to work. Rich men still had access to more women but for a cel, just having a low level job was enough to get a slim wife. The main difference was that at that time sex was equal to marriage for most men, if you wanted a young woman, you'd ask to marry her. The 70s and early 80s had the unusual characteristics that an average men could have plenty of casual sexual experience, while still being able to settle down with a wife and have family like the old times and the divorce rate was still low. And it is very likely that for this reason, that the bluepill is still so prevalent today. The cels today grew up under the influence, teachings, and upbringings of the prior generation, of which even the average men had it comparatively easy and ended up with a wife and had kids in the late 80s and 90s. That generation brought up their kids with a bluepilled worldview, and their kids grew up with cartoons and tvs made by that bluepilled generation, and educated in schools by that generation. It is no wonder today's western society has reached such maximum soyness.
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