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Theme song for Toronto in the late '90s and early 2000s

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Here's some music from the end of the analog age and into the dawn of the digital age, a nostalgic age full of lost optimism that I never got to experience yet so close to my beginning.

Especially for a city in a country that blends the traditionalism of British monarchy and ethos and royalism, and modern progressivist architecture and technology and the cosmopolitan feel of a diverse and multicultural city. It's the closest thing of being in the UK in North America, given that it's a Commonwealth country with the Queen of England. A blend of the old Victorian and the new millennium.

As an American who has only been around the New York area, I've always wanted to explore other Anglo first world countries since I wanted to be different and in a different place than what I am usual. You only hear about these places from TV and the people born in there, us Americans think it's just America and it's just freedom and democracy. Maybe having a monarchy is cool. Wanted to bring my Nintendo DSi to Canada before the Queen dies.

Enjoy these videos too along with the music (just mute the video).


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Brings a tear to my eye. I was born in Windsor and lived in Toronto for 6 years really close to the Eaton Centre (right next to the Filmores Hotel). I remember my mother would walk me there and spend all day just roaming the mall and enjoying the scenery. Toronto used to be a relatively raw, soulful and humble city. It was also far cheaper, it felt like the average person still had a place there. The world also felt a bit more optimistic back then.
 
Brings a tear to my eye. I was born in Windsor and lived in Toronto for 6 years really close to the Eaton Centre (right next to the Filmores Hotel). I remember my mother would walk me there and spend all day just roaming the mall and enjoying the scenery. Toronto used to be a relatively raw, soulful and humble city. It was also far cheaper, it felt like the average person still had a place there. The world also felt a bit more optimistic back then.
Do you think the music matches the feel of the city back then?
 
Do you think the music matches the feel of the city back then?
Not exactly the whole city, but the few parts that are famous and recognizable, definitely.
 
Not exactly the whole city, but the few parts that are famous and recognizable, definitely.
Like the Eaton Centre, Younge Street, the Downtown Financial District and Younge-Dundas Square?
 
Thanks for the tag man!

Here in NZ we have our own hip hop scene because we have a large indigenous and pacific islander population and they identify with American ghetto culture. But the islanders aren't as angry and mysoggyknees as American POC so the New Zealand hip hop has a bit more of a smiling face and it's not quite so much about killing pigs and fucking bitches as the American mother fucker rap scene is.

There's a lot of R&B, breaks and BBQ reggae shit here too, we're a small island so you don't need a million dollars to drive to the beach and smoke weed.

But my knowledge of this music is very superficial as it's not really my cup of tea. I kinda like our more mainstream poppy shit even when it involves singers who are foids.


View: https://youtu.be/SblTKIZoInI



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Thanks for the tag man!

Here in NZ we have our own hip hop scene because we have a large indigenous and pacific islander population and they identify with American ghetto culture. But the islanders aren't as angry and mysoggyknees as American POC so the New Zealand hip hop has a bit more of a smiling face and it's not quite so much about killing pigs and fucking bitches as the American mother fucker rap scene is.

There's a lot of R&B, breaks and BBQ reggae shit here too, we're a small island so you don't need a million dollars to drive to the beach and smoke weed.

But my knowledge of this music is very superficial as it's not really my cup of tea. I kinda like our more mainstream poppy shit even when it involves singers who are foids.


View: https://youtu.be/SblTKIZoInI



View: https://youtu.be/IHqgTIKTB_U



View: https://youtu.be/YEyrNEMN9vU



View: https://youtu.be/BJ4v1dRboMk



View: https://youtu.be/7U7KDsPjRNs



View: https://youtu.be/9Vr1TMH8f6Y



View: https://youtu.be/go57XdQBn3E

Yeah, I heard that the Māori tend to thugmaxx and act like American blacks. Thought you were Australian initially.

I just thought the music reminds me of modern cities in Commonwealth countries in general due to them being both unfamiliar for being so far away, and an alternative to America that we see as backwards because you guys have the monarchy.
 
an alternative to America that we see as backwards because you guys have the monarchy.
Anyone can see that America has a love/hate thing with the idea of a monarchy though.

Look at how they elevate the president into some kind of quasi religious figure. Look at how obsessed they are with the lives of the Hollywood glitterati. Clearly they wish they had a royal family, that's why they do their damnedest to re-create one, 24/7.
 
Anyone can see that America has a love/hate thing with the idea of a monarchy though.

Look at how they elevate the president into some kind of quasi religious figure. Look at how obsessed they are with the lives of the Hollywood glitterati. Clearly they wish they had a royal family, that's why they do their damnedest to re-create one, 24/7.
What I mean by monarchism is more in the traditional sense with supporting hereditary monarchism vs elective republicanism. In that sense, yes it is true that there are Americans who are Anglophiles and are obsessed about the British royal family. Even after the end of the American Revolutionary Wars many American colonists loyal to the British Crown fled to Canada. But of course nowadays the structure of government doesn't really matter anymore since the monarchy no longer has real political power and instead have an elective parliamentary system.

So Americans moving to Canada do so more because it's more liberal up there so the difference between the two countries is conservatism vs liberalism, rather than republic vs monarchy.

Though we are taught that America gained independence from the UK because monarchy is bad and undemocratic, and a republic gives more civil freedom and that everyone would rather move to America than any other country because we are the most democratic and the most free than even other first world Anglo nations.

But I understand your sense since celebrities and political figures are put into the upper class of society since everyone knows them and everyone wants to know about their lives and be like them.
 
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I’m from the West coast jfl. I swear you posted something like this before.
 
I never lived in Toronto, I was from the town where Avril Lavigne is from.
 
The music is a bit too urban for a small town and I was there in the early to mid 90s
But the music does have that urban feel? Does it feel like the turn of the millennium?
 
I was in Sydney at that time and it doesn't really feel like Sydney.
Sydney was the place they filmed the Matrix.

Could remind me of any big city in the Commonwealth from that time. Even London.
 
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That song is really good, reminds me of pokemon music and I love pokemon music. I didn't start remembering anything about toronto until the mid to late 2000s but I do remember things were much more optimistic and less thugmaxxed and now everyone's a wannabe thug and an asshole. There were much less faggots and libtards back then also. Now there's much more depression and anxiety and a sense that things are taking a downturn and people struggling to afford housing and other stuff like food etc. Compared to when I was a young child in the mid 2000s toronto has become a shithole. I see homeless crackheads on every block downtown now and in certain areas in the outer city ive never seen them before. I saw a homeless tent camp for the first time in my life a month ago. We're following California's footsteps.
 
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That song is really good, reminds me of pokemon music and I love pokemon music. I didn't start remembering anything about toronto until the mid to late 2000s but I do remember things were much more optimistic and less thugmaxxed and now everyone's a wannabe thug and an asshole. There were much less faggots and libtards back then also. Now there's much more depression and anxiety and a sense that things are taking a downturn and people struggling to afford housing and other stuff like food etc. Compared to when I was a young child in the mid 2000s toronto has become a shithole. I see homeless crackheads on every block downtown now and in certain areas in the outer city ive never seen them before. I saw a homeless tent camp for the first time in my life a month ago. We're following California's footsteps.
It's actually a remix of the game corner music from Pokémon Gold/Silver/Crystal.

Yeah, I really miss the 2000s and I feel nostalgic for the bygone era of the '90s. The economy before 2008 and especially before COVID wasn't as fucked as it is now and the major cities up there were still not as bad as the cities down here due to less niggers.

Also, no smartphones and people lived more authentic lives in the real world even if the Internet and early forums were already a thing since you had to wait until you got home on your computer.

I also like the technology from the era: Game Boy Color, N64, PlayStation, Dreamcast, UNIX workstations, VHS and Hi8 camcorders, CRT televisions, etc. The music and movies was also really great at the time.
 
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No wonder it sounded familiar
 
Yup.

The music reminded me of Toronto.
Lmao, you should go there. Cause it doesn’t sound like that at all. It’s just a grey depressing place.
 
Childhood days tbh.
To me, it reminds me of being in a big mordern city during a bigone era of optimism and progress. At the nick of an old era and just before the new.
 
Lmao, you should go there. Cause it doesn’t sound like that at all. It’s just a grey depressing place.
I guess it's an idealized version of what I think Toronto would be at the turn of the millennium.

A modern city yet under archaic monarchism. The closest thing of being in the UK in North America. A foreign country that yet still feels American.
 
I guess it's an idealized version of what I think Toronto would be at the turn of the millennium.

A modern city yet under monarchism. The closest thing of being in the UK in North America. A foreign country that yet still feels American.
Not foreign, just pretty much the same with a different government. And I used to idealize American places as well. Like California and Florida, I though they were some amazing fun places out under the Sun.

To me, it reminds me of being in a big mordern city during a bigone era of optimism and progress. At the nick of an old era and just before the new.
:dafuckfeels: Goddam. I kind of know the feeling, but this isn’t the type of music. This makes me think of a bygone era just before the new.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rg6CiPI6h2g
 
Not foreign, just pretty much the same with a different government. And I used to idealize American places as well. Like California and Florida, I though they were some amazing fun places out under the Sun.
Yeah, the weather would be radically different.

I live in NYC so it's far up north enough to have weather that's comparable to other northern North American cities like Toronto since it's roughly at the same latitude as Boston. Hot summers and very cold winters.

I've been out of state a few times (went to PA to visit some fam there for 4th of July) but I've never been to any other major American city.

I guess as a kid, I've always romanticize the white Commonwealth countries (UK, Canada, Australia) since they're very different from here. Sometimes on TV I would watch shows from those countries and it's like they are like America but have different values (since they are monarchies and not republics) and as a Latino we only really move to the US and I've always wanted to be somewhere different that I'm not used to. Like why did I had to live here if there are other countries that offered the same as America but we live here because everyone from my country always moves here.

The Union Jack and Victorian stone architecture also fascinate me for some reason. Like the Reebok shoes and UK garage music. Pokémon Sword and Shield's music kinda has those feels.
:dafuckfeels:[UWSL] Goddam. I kind of know the feeling, but this isn’t the type of music. This makes me think of a bygone era just before the new.[/UWSL]


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rg6CiPI6h2g

Yep. I actually had the gen 1 games when I was a very young toddler since my father bought them back in the late '90s before I was born. And yeah, the '90s had this dark and bleak sci-fi but also optimistic and homely aesthetic to it. A warm and innocent time indeed when you would go to the laundromat and see the washing machines spin or to the day care and watch old Pokémon shows or feeling the carpet flooring in your house while you use Windows 9x on a beige computer next to the window under the bright sunshine and the dim moonlight.

Btw, this song is the best Pokémon anime theme imo.

View: https://youtu.be/OYbDnixcYDE
 
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I live in NYC so it's far up north enough to have weather that's comparable to other northern North American cities like Toronto since it's roughly at the same latitude as Boston. Hot summers and very cold winters.
Isn’t New York along the coast? Thought weather in the coasts was more mild compared to the interior of the continent, where it has very hot summers and cold winters.

I guess as a kid, I've always romanticize the white Commonwealth countries (UK, Canada, Australia) since they're very different from here. Sometimes on TV I would watch shows from those countries and it's like they are like America but have different values (since they are monarchies and not republics) and as a Latino we only really move to the US and I've always wanted to be somewhere different that I'm not used to. Like why did I had to live here if there are other countries that offered the same as America but we live here because everyone from my country always moves here.
I had the same thing with America. Most Jews also live in America, but I never really knew about that or cared. For me, America seemed like the central place in the world, because American media dominates so much (as well as Japan). I’ve gone to America many times, but because I stayed in the west coast I didn’t see any difference in the climate, geography, housing, people or wildlife (trees and stuff). I recognized early on that Americans are pretty much like Canadians on the other side of a fence.

Yep. I actually had the gen 1 games when I was a very young toddler since my father bought them back in the late '90s before I was born. And yeah, the '90s had this dark and bleak sci-fi but also optimistic and homely aesthetic to it. A warm and innocent time indeed when you would go to the laundromat and see the washing machines spin or to the day care and watch old Pokémon shows or feeling the carpet flooring in your house while you use Windows 9x on a beige computer next to the window under the bright sunshine and the dim moonlight.
Damn, the nostalgia of being a kid is amazing. Everything felt better, life was enjoyable and fun, relatives weren’t dead, and the brutality of the world didn’t completely mentally destroy us. I heard meditation can help feel like that again, so I’m gonna try coping with that.

Btw, this song is the best Pokémon anime theme imo.

View: https://youtu.be/OYbDnixcYDE

Johto is one of my favourite regions, but I don’t like the theme song as much tbh. The Hoenn and Kanto region had the best songs imo. The one I sent or this one, pretty hard to choose:

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g0ATPpDbRVc
 
Isn’t New York along the coast? Thought weather in the coasts was more mild compared to the interior of the continent, where it has very hot summers and cold winters.
Yeah. The summers here can be hot and humid (not unbearably hot but it can still be pretty hot in some days) and the winters are also pretty cold.

Toronto might be similar since it's by the coast of Lake Ontario and it's at a lower latitude. I know Montréal has harsher winters due to being more up north and inland.
I had the same thing with America. Most Jews also live in America, but I never really knew about that or cared. For me, America seemed like the central place in the world, because American media dominates so much (as well as Japan). I’ve gone to America many times, but because I stayed in the west coast I didn’t see any difference in the climate, geography, housing, people or wildlife (trees and stuff). I recognized early on that Americans are pretty much like Canadians on the other side of a fence.
The thing about Americans is that we suppose that everyone wants to come here because "we're the best country in world". Everyone wants to be an American and everyone should be proud to live here, because to us every other country are third world tyrannical shitholes riddled with political oppression and poverty. You don't see too many Latinos in other first world countries like Canada or Europe even if those countries offer similar opportunities and quality of life as the U.S. And America being the dominant cultural force, you already used to what's like to be here and not anywhere else.

Also, we Americans take the idea of democracy and being a republic and our Constitution too seriously as try to claim that we are some perfect utopia who rejected British monarchism as tyrannical and that's why we were able to triumph economically and politically, and that we claim that we are the leaders of democracy and the free world, and even surpassing Europe (which during the 19th and 20th century wasgoing through wars, nationalistic revolutions and dictatorships) and the waning British Empire (which became the UK and the Commonwealth) as the world's superpower despite being a young republic born out of an experiment. That America has the most civil liberties, the most wealth, and the least amount of problems. Even when the Soviet Union was a competing power, they eventually fell because they were ruling with an iron fist and Communism was bad and unfree. The good guys are always the victor.

And given that we claim that the U.S. with its republican and representative democracy as laid down in its Constitution which also protects citizens' civil liberties is the best system that exists, we always think that America could never one day suffer poverty, mass corruption, censorship or dictatorship because we think that our system of government aren't as flawed as other countries even if those countries are also run as a republic. That we will always honor the Constitution and our democratic process that our democracy is fair and that our government will always serve the people, and that justice will be always be served.

So looking at countries with a different system of government like Canada who still has a monarchy, for us it seems that your system is archaic and anti-democratic which is why we sneer at Canadians for being less prosperous, less dominant, less successful and less free (especially regarding freedom of speech, right to bear arms, British and Canadian nationalistic propaganda dissuading them from Americanization, the fact that Canada wasn't allowed to industrialize as much and remained mostly an agricultural colony, more socialist economy i.e. public healthcare and Crown corporations, the CBC being owned by the government, etc.), and for Canadians choosing to live under such system instead of moving to the U.S. as being the far superior neighbor. For us we say why would I want to be in Canada if I already got what I can get here in the U.S. and there's more econonic opportunity and liberty here.

So since I'm not used to seeing other first world countries and since not a lot of Latinos don't go to those countries, I've always wondered to myself why don't we move to those countries? Why do we have to move where everyone else moves because that's what everyone else does? I of course don't believe in the fairytale of American exceptionalism and that these other countries seem to me as an alternative to America with a different way of doing things yet they have modern cities and interesting English accents. It's like an uncanny valley that they are a first world Anglo country like America and they speak English, yet have a different system of government and accents. Also different demographics since you don't see many Latinos or people from my country in those places.

So, I've never been to Canada and the only other country I've been to was the country where I was born. I've always wanted to be in the UK because it also had an interesting mix of modern and Victorian, especially London with its skyscrapers and castles. Canada to me seems the closest thing to being in the UK while still being able to drive there. Would like to visit and bring my Nintendo DSi with me to make some Flipnotes before the queen dies because I still want to feel like I got to be in a kingdom as a subject of the queen.
Damn, the nostalgia of being a kid is amazing. Everything felt better, life was enjoyable and fun, relatives weren’t dead, and the brutality of the world didn’t completely mentally destroy us. I heard meditation can help feel like that again, so I’m gonna try coping with that.
Yep. The only time I was really happy was when I was a toddler, before I started to school and going through a lot of the abuse I've went through.

Back then you didn't think the world was as fucked up as it really is, when you're new to this life you explore how your body works and your surroundings, playing with mirrors and trying to figure out why when I turn my head sideways it still looks rightside up but when I'm upside down it looks upside down. I remember spending most of my time building blanket and pillow forts and burrying myself under them because it felt so comfy. Back when I had all my toys and my video games. Back when I used go out with my mom and my aunts and cousins to go shopping at the mall and listening to house and techno music.

That's also the reason why I romanticize the '90s and the early 2000s. It feels like home and a time of innocence. That's also why I like to listen to the music of those times and why I like playing video games of those times too, and why I like the aesthetics of the technology back then. The staticness of old VHS tapes and CRT televisions. I have an old computer with Linux and I use old window managers (Window Maker, Motif WM, IceWM) because I like the old aesthetics of computer interfaces back then. I really like KDE 1.0 because of that. Also FaceandLMS videos give those vibes too.
Johto is one of my favourite regions, but I don’t like the theme song as much tbh. The Hoenn and Kanto region had the best songs imo. The one I sent or this one, pretty hard to choose:

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g0ATPpDbRVc

Yeah, gen 3 was also pretty good and that theme song is my second favorite in the Pokémon anime. In term of graphics and gameplay, Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald were better than Pokémon Gold/Silver/Crystal and imo the best gen in the Pokémon series.

But there's something about the gen 2 games that I really like, especially with Pokémon Crystal in the fact that for a GBC game it was ahead of its time (improved sprites compared to gen 1, sprite animations, the graphics for the time look really good in color and had really good music, and in the Japanese version there was an accessory made for it where you can connect a GBC or GBA to a mobile phone and it will allow you to play battles and trade Pokémon via the Internet).

About the anime, I remember watching the Pokémon Advanced series when I was a kid (I was like around 5 or 6 at the time) and I had a crush on May. Like I wanted her to be real so that I can be with her. I also remembered watching Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea which featured her a lot. Then when Diamond and Pearl came out I stopped watching because Dawn doesn't interest me that much.

The 2000s were also a pretty good time. I remember those old Nextel flip phones that you can change the theme color and play brick beaker on. Britney Spears, and those live action shows from Nickelodeon and the Disney Channel like iCarly, Drake & Josh, Zoey 101, My Suite Life of Zach and Cody, Wizards of Waverly Place, etc. Would be a good time to be in high school in an era and chat with friends on MySpace and AOL and MSN.

I also have a bunch of tech from that era. Got an old Windows XP machine and an iMac G5, a flip phone, a Nintendo DSi and a PS3.
 
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Yes of course, I also enjoyed the early 2000s, especially when the internet wasn't so soy unlike today.
Wish I was old enough to experience it. I was a baby in those times.

If you ever wanted to visit sites from that era there's the Wayback Machine. Even today they are making historically accurate Web 1.0 sites on places like NeoCities, various tilde communities, and personal websites.

You can search for sites like that here:

Also, look at the Gopher protocol, it's still around.
 
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I don't know about that, I only know I had back in the early 2000s a hi5 account with a real pic of mine, sadly I lost the account and everything related to it, Facebook wasn't as popular as was used mainly as an alternate forum for otakus and emos back then.
 
I don't know about that, I only know I had back in the early 2000s a hi5 account with a real pic of mine, sadly I lost the account and everything related to it, Facebook wasn't as popular as was used mainly as an alternate forum for otakus and emos back then.
Not the original GeoCities, Yahoo! killed that off a long time ago.

Neocities is a new free hosting site that's in the spirit of those old ones from the '90s.
 

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