Blackpill The world is not in any way made with incels in mind

[Deleted member 27204]

I sometimes see people saying that incels are an underclass needed to wageslave for society while others enjoy sex and relationships but I don't think this is completely true. It could be more that this wageslaving for society was more in mind of people that previously were in relationships but were broken up with or divorced and now have no other purpose but to work.

In comparison guys that never had sex or got into relationships (incels) are completely out of the picture. Any time the issue of inceldom is brought up the question is always "what are we going to do with these guys?" not "how are we going to fix society or take a serious effort to help these guys".
Society constantly features the theme of love, sex, relationships and family in art, culture, philosophical discussions as a fixture of adult life. Tv series and literature have the theme of love and sex showing up frequently too.
You could say this is because a lot of media is geared toward women. But that wouldn't explain why normies watch so much of that and can relate to it. Normies aren't as successful as women in getting sex and relationships. But they still get enough chances to have those experiences that it is not completely alien to them.

Incels were not meant to exist in these large numbers. It is social media and women's increased ability to be choosy over which males they select to have sex and relationships with that is probably responsible for a lot of the increase in inceldom seen in recent decades, along with women being gassed up by other women on social media echochambers to never settle, to dump their man anytime they feel like doing so and to openly lust after attractive males while putting down unattractive males.
Of course the most immediate solution to addressing this is to limit social media and discourage its use in everything from self promotion, to sharing events between people, to career promotion, to sharing news. These are ways in which social media has invaded facets of people's lives and come to be a common feature outside of its commonly advertised use in making friends and forming relationships online.

 

[Deleted member 23682]

Any time the issue of inceldom is brought up the question is always "what are we going to do with these guys?" not "how are we going to fix society or take a serious effort to help these guys".

should have added a ragefuel tag

 

[Deleted member 8353]

There is no solution tbh, nobody cares.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

should have added a ragefuel tag

It just is at this point and not ragefuel for me tbh
It's extremely regrettable that this is the case.
But a lot of normie tier guys that would have at least been able to have a relationship without competing with so many good looking guys and the hivemind of women on social media before the 2010s.

There is no solution tbh, nobody cares.

Of course but I was mainly speaking hypothetically. Also the current narrative is that simps that pay and give attention to women are causing a lot of this. I disagree because it has been clearly demonstrated on this site that women couldn't care less about the opinions of unattractive guys and whether they give attention to them or not and pay much more credence to what other women are telling them.

 

[AmIjustDreaming]

There is no solution tbh, nobody cares.

 

[Deleted member 23682]

It just is at this point and not ragefuel for me tbh
It's extremely regrettable that this is the case.
But a lot of normie tier guys that would have at least been able to have a relationship without competing with so many good looking guys and the hivemind of women on social media before the 2010s.

yeah not for me. i'm still pissed

 

[grondilu]

Few days ago I was reading an article about the upcoming return of kids to school and how my government is going to give money to families with children so that kids can buy the stuff they need for school. It's called "allocation de rentrée scolaire".

Allocation de rentrée scolaire — Wikipédia

fr.wikipedia.org

In the article they said at one point that it was for "our" children.

There is no "our" children. Not everyone has kids, but they don't want to acknowledge that. They want to pretend everyone has kids so all children are "our" children so we should all pay for them. Quite ragefuel, ngl.

 

[tulasdanslos]

Powerful. Just a little correction: while there has never been so many incels quantitatively, there has been more incels per capita in other time periods, such as the beginning of agriculture (1 sex-haver for every 17 males).

 

[Deleted member 27204]

Powerful. Just a little correction: while there has never been so many incels quantitatively, there has been more incels per capita in other time periods, such as the beginning of agriculture (1 sex-haver for every 17 males).

It was arguably less severe back then because women still didn't have technology to easily communicate with good looking males, have instant access to gauge how attractive their man was to many other women's male partners on social media, weren't constantly being hit up on social media such that they gained celebrity status in terms of importance, didn't have social media mobs to attack any man that criticized or pointed out women hyping up attractive males while unfairly making fun of and diminishing unattractive males for clout and so on.

Few days ago I was reading an article about the upcoming return of kids to school and how my government is going to give money to families with children so that kids can buy the stuff they need for school. It's called "allocation de rentrée scolaire".

Allocation de rentrée scolaire — Wikipédia

fr.wikipedia.org

In the article they said at one point that it was for "our" children.

There is no "our" children. Not everyone has kids, but they don't want to acknowledge that. They want to pretend everyone has kids so all children are "our children" so we should all pay for them. Quite ragefuel, ngl.

Tbh over time the welfare state has replaced the need for provisioning and protection directly provided by unattractive males in relationships with women but that has been ongoing in the US since LBJ's Great Society initiatives. Having been in place so long, these kinds of measures cannot easily be overturned.
But social media that is contributing to driving up women's standards, making them more open to lusting over attractive males and looking down on unattractive males and having their opinions and decisions in what trends to engage in validated by the hivemind on social media. All of that came mostly in the 2010s and is more recent.
So it has a better chance of being undone then the model which has been going on much longer where men's taxes subsidize the children of families that aren't theirs.

 

[CopingJim]

I think foids being able to work and make their own money also contributes a lot to inceldom. When betabuxx is increasingly less of an option many men becomes incels, because lets face it most men are betabuxx material in foids eyes

 

[Deleted member 27204]

I think foids being able to work and make their own money also contributes a lot to inceldom. When betabuxx is increasingly less of an option many men becomes incels, because lets face it most men are betabuxx material in foids eyes

But that was the case even in the 80s. It wasn't that bad then with such large rates of inceldom. It only started visibly becoming an issue on such a large scale with social media in the 2010s.

 

[Ping And Pong]

Back in the olden days even the wageslaving peasants had families, incels shouldn't exist in large numbers but yet here we are.

 

[CopingJim]

But that was the case even in the 80s. It wasn't that bad then with such large rates of inceldom. It only started visibly becoming an issue on such a large scale with social media in the 2010s.

There was a much wider wage gap then in favor of men, nowadays that gap has been eliminated because of affirmative action, onlyfans and general bias towards foids more so now than ever. If foids were financially dependednt on men there wouldnt be such a big problem even with social media. If a man outearns a foid by a significant amount then he becomes betabuxx material, but that is not as often the case now as it was in the 80s. Ofc betabuxxing is not ideal but it is nonetheless an option that men had in previous times and modern men often lack.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

Back in the olden days even the wageslaving peasants had families, incels shouldn't exist in large numbers but yet here we are.

And in the olden days the culture was not as explicitly centered around love and sex as it is today. There were other ways sexless males could integrate into society and be respected like being a priest, monk or a person studying for leisure
Now all those occupations are looked down on unless it can bring money, fame, attention, controversy and sex appeal.
Incels don't fit into this new world, which as many people here have said, is rapidly becoming/has become chad only for males.

There was a much wider wage gap then in favor of men, nowadays that gap has been eliminated because of affirmative action, onlyfans and general bias towards foids more so now than ever. If foids were financially dependednt on men there wouldnt be such a big problem even with social media. If a man outearns a foid by a significant amount then he becomes betabuxx material, but that is not as often the case now as it was in the 80s. Ofc betabuxxing is not ideal but it is nonetheless an option that men had in previous times and modern men often lack.

Foids would still cheat on men in larger numbers with social media even if they were financially dependent on men and the breakdown and disillusion with the state of relationships and marriage would still grow like it has for men outside of western countries.

The effects of onlyfans and similar apps have yet to be felt across all generations and I don't think it has just yet supplanted betabuxxing except for Gen Z women. Women being treated like queens on social media by other women, by society and basically having the power to outcast any males that don't approve of how they conduct themselves on social media is an issue that affects more generations of women though.

 

[DirtyCurryCell]

I sometimes see people saying that incels are an underclass needed to wageslave for society while others enjoy sex and relationships but I don't think this is completely true. It could be more that this wageslaving for society was more in mind of people that previously were in relationships but were broken up with or divorced and now have no other purpose but to work.

In comparison guys that never had sex or got into relationships (incels) are completely out of the picture. Any time the issue of inceldom is brought up the question is always "what are we going to do with these guys?" not "how are we going to fix society or take a serious effort to help these guys".
Society constantly features the theme of love, sex, relationships and family in art, culture, philosophical discussions as a fixture of adult life. Tv series and literature have the theme of love and sex showing up frequently too.
You could say this is because a lot of media is geared toward women. But that wouldn't explain why normies watch so much of that and can relate to it. Normies aren't as successful as women in getting sex and relationships. But they still get enough chances to have those experiences that it is not completely alien to them.

Incels were not meant to exist in these large numbers. It is social media and women's increased ability to be choosy over which males they select to have sex and relationships with that is probably responsible for a lot of the increase in inceldom seen in recent decades, along with women being gassed up by other women on social media echochambers to never settle, to dump their man anytime they feel like doing so and to openly lust after attractive males while putting down unattractive males.
Of course the most immediate solution to addressing this is to limit social media and discourage its use in everything from self promotion, to sharing events between people, to career promotion, to sharing news. These are ways in which social media has invaded facets of people's lives and come to be a common feature outside of its commonly advertised use in making friends and forming relationships online.

There were inkwells in the past. They eventually went on to find fullfillment in other aspects of life by dedicating themselves to certain arts and crafts. Instead of whining about their loneliness, they drew, wrote and painted on it. A lot of russian novelists of the last two centuries had attributes that is contemporarily assocaited with inceldom. They were NEETs with very low social skills. They wrote long extensive novels on the human condition, and so on.

Look at Henry Flynt and Leo Tolstoy and Kafka.

Nowadays, these people still exist, but they're overshadowed by all the mediocrity in the world. A deconstruction of Harry Potter would be drowned in a of Harry Potter itself, and all the copy cats. That and coupled with the fact that foids have invaded nearly everything and are destroying everything dumb holes and dumb ethnics can't understand because in the case of foids, they just ride the chad cock carousel and ethnics have never picked up an actual book, all the work with any nuance or substance are portrayed as patriachal and white supremacist.

I agree with what you say about the whole job thing. Normies can function as members of society, even if their SMV is total shit and incel tier so long as they've had memorable childhoods and college lives. Or as long as they have a good social circle( and can maintain a good weight I guess). In our case, we've suffered for 20 something years in school and college, we have no social circle. We can't work 9 - 5 and then meet our friends at bars or cafes or gigs. Even the mere act of sitting down at a job that we're not passionate about is infuriating. Like "This is it?"

It's worse when you're gymcelling cuz you have to go through that pain and then spend an extra 2 hours breaking your body apart.

Even if you're not gymcelling, you can just get home and watch the soy stuff or play the soy games. All of which will tell you you're the bad guy. Specially if you're a white cis male.

One of the solutions to this is to call out bad art. So that normies can't make money by drawing fan arts and other crap that they call art. That vapurwave shit they draw without knowing jackshit about cyberpunk. All this bullshit about everything being subjective hurts everyone objectively. Among other things incels are the only one who can have an objective outlook on life, because we're outcasts. Art needs to be gate kept af. ofc it won't happen because foids control everything. And the few incels in power are too much pussy to do anything.

Just look at how much hate Elon Musk and Seth McFlaren get? These two are prime examples of incels that have ascended.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

There were inkwells in the past. They eventually went on to find fullfillment in other aspects of life by dedicating themselves to certain arts and crafts. Instead of whining about their loneliness, they drew, wrote and painted on it. A lot of russian novelists of the last two centuries had attributes that is contemporarily assocaited with inceldom. They were NEETs with very low social skills. They wrote long extensive novels on the human condition, and so on.

Look at Henry Flynt and Leo Tolstoy and Kafka.

Nowadays, these people still exist, but they're overshadowed by all the mediocrity in the world. A deconstruction of Harry Potter would be drowned in a of Harry Potter itself, and all the copy cats. That and coupled with the fact that foids have invaded nearly everything and are destroying everything dumb holes and dumb ethnics can't understand because in the case of foids, they just ride the chad cock carousel and ethnics have never picked up an actual book, all the work with any nuance or substance are portrayed as patriachal and white supremacist.

I agree with what you say about the whole job thing. Normies can function as members of society, even if their SMV is total shit and incel tier so long as they've had memorable childhoods and college lives. Or as long as they have a good social circle( and can maintain a good weight I guess). In our case, we've suffered for 20 something years in school and college, we have no social circle. We can't work 9 - 5 and then meet our friends at bars or cafes or gigs. Even the mere act of sitting down at a job that we're not passionate about is infuriating. Like "This is it?"

It's worse when you're gymcelling cuz you have to go through that pain and then spend an extra 2 hours breaking your body apart.

Even if you're not gymcelling, you can just get home and watch the soy stuff or play the soy games. All of which will tell you you're the bad guy. Specially if you're a white cis male.

One of the solutions to this is to call out bad art. So that normies can't make money by drawing fan arts and other crap that they call art. That vapurwave shit they draw without knowing jackshit about cyberpunk. All this bullshit about everything being subjective hurts everyone objectively. Among other things incels are the only one who can have an objective outlook on life, because we're outcasts. Art needs to be gate kept af. ofc it won't happen because foids control everything. And the few incels in power are too much pussy to do anything.

Just look at how much hate Elon Musk and Seth McFlaren get? These two are prime examples of incels that have ascended.

It's hard to break into the art scene when you have so many competitors, people critiquing you before you even get most of your work out and the reputation and following that other artists have already built and that people expect up and coming artists to abide to.
It's the same with music.

These days if you are male it's all looks and connections that get you far in creative careers in the arts and music. Just like with many other jobs, the social aspect and appealing to people has become much more important.
Fair point about incels that are in positions of power. Other than incels that work on the technology at social media companies incels from all walks of life have been harmed more than helped by social media.

 

[DirtyCurryCell]

Other than incels that work on the technology at social media companies incels from all walks of life have been harmed more than helped by social media.

The irony is that an incel created it.

 

[based_meme]

There is no solution tbh, nobody cares.

There are solutions, but none will be accepted by society at large, since this is a zero sum game. Any solution for us is going to impose a cost on them.

The issues plaguing the bottom of the social and sexual hierarchy isn't a problem that needs to be solved for people higher on the ladder, right up until the point where doing nothing will start to hurt them in the immediate term and in the long run.

Nobody is going to virtue signal for incels, because pretending to care about our problems isn't going to increase their social status. And so, our problems will continue to grow until the cultural and economic effects become too big to ignore, but by then it'll be too late.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

There are solutions, but none will be accepted by society at large, since this is a zero sum game. Any solution for us is going to impose a cost on them.

The issues plaguing the bottom of the social and sexual hierarchy isn't a problem that needs to be solved for people higher on the ladder, right up until the point where doing nothing will start to hurt them in the immediate term and in the long run.

Restricting social media or making it less important to people's day to day lives is probably a more realistic measure in the short term that can be implemented compared to the idea of giving assigning a woman to every incel like has sometimes been suggested by some users on this forum.

Remember when Jordan Peterson got flak for his enforced monogamy comment? I think he was referring to enforcing social standards of monogamy more rigidly like in the past. Part of the way to do that is to limit the influence of social media imo

 

[based_meme]

Restricting social media or making it less important to people's day to day lives is probably a more realistic measure in the short term that can be implemented compared to the idea of giving assigning a woman to every incel like has sometimes been suggested by some users on this forum.

Remember when Jordan Peterson got flak for his enforced monogamy comment? I think he was referring to enforcing social standards of monogamy more rigidly like in the past. Part of the way to do that is to limit the influence of social media imo

I don't follow or care about Jordan Peterson. What's his comment, and what's the context behind it?

 

[Deleted member 27204]

I don't follow or care about Jordan Peterson. What's his comment, and what's the context behind it?

I believe it was in response to the AM van attack. Jordan Peterson said that Minassian was angry at himself and at God and talked about how this may represent a larger problem in the male population.

Jordan Peterson, Custodian of the Patriarchy (Published 2018)

He says there’s a crisis in masculinity. Why won’t women — all these wives and witches — just behave?

www.nytimes.com

View: https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/998086485747347456?lang=en


Here is how Jordan Peterson himself reacted to how the new york times reported on him

On the New York Times and “Enforced Monogamy” – Jordan Peterson

www.jordanbpeterson.com

 

[Uglymuggly]

yeah not for me. i'm still pissed

Same even thougj inceldom isn’t super rare