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Pick one below

  • Anarchist (may include "tribalism", "autonomism" and "anomy" to some extent)

    Votes: 7 15.9%
  • Communist (the original version, from Leninism to Trotskyism)

    Votes: 2 4.5%
  • Communist (authoritarian version, like Stalinism and all its meme variations (Maoism, Kimism, ...))

    Votes: 2 4.5%
  • Communist (opportunistic versions such as Titoism, Castroism and associated memes)

    Votes: 2 4.5%
  • Democratic Socialism (includes "reformist communism" and other non-communist memes)

    Votes: 3 6.8%
  • Libertarian Socialism (includes "social democracy" and the most left fringe of the US Democrats)

    Votes: 3 6.8%
  • Centrism (flabby demagogy and sluggish populism in order to get elected ... you gotta be a cuck tbh)

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • "Anarco-liberalism" (socially progressive and libertarians; capitalist and open to market darwinism)

    Votes: 3 6.8%
  • Liberalism (economical liberalism, social policies aren't an issue unless it can buy social peace)

    Votes: 2 4.5%
  • Conservative (capitalist, not necessarily liberal, social policies depends on "traditionnal values")

    Votes: 19 43.2%

  • Total voters
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It was already made some times ago, but I think it lacked precision and universalism. We need to be more precise in the terms we use when it comes to politics.

A lot of people here (americans, mostly) can't tell the difference between liberals, left (socialism for instance) and far left (communism, including stalinism, maoism, leninism, trotskism, ...). Some others also think fascism, nazism and the brand new edgy fuckboyish "alt-right" is the same shit (it is not). Do some researches if you just learned something kek

Also, a lot of other kind of opinions weren't represented, or not in a precise spectrum. Now you have the opportunity to really express your opinion through this spectrum.

So here it is, a new poll. In this poll, opinions are classified from left to right. Pick yours and let other users see how it turns out.

I merely put here opinions that had a significant impact on society through space and time, in other words, that are relevant. For instance, literal meme jokes such as "Kimism" (the pseudo communist doctrine from North Korea) aren't depicted. However, you can still choose "Stalinism" if you're in favor of an authoritarian kind of communist government.

If you think you don't have political opinions, just pick "centrism". If it's a problem for you, it means you have another political opinion. Use the comment eventually if you think the poll didn't documented it (only if it's a legit opinion, no memes aloud as we saw above).

You can choose only one thing, of course. The poll is anonymous.
Wait
wtf
NOOOOO

Ok, it seems you can't do a proper poll on this site because the number of answer is limited. I can't put all the right wing stuffs ...:feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree:

Write down in the comment if you're right wing, sorry for the inconvenience.

In right wing I wanted to add, in this order :

Fascism (economical protectionist, socially open to reform but uses systematic national preference)
Alt-right (Edgy identitary people, can include funky stuffs such as the "french dissidence" meme lmao)
Theocracy (from christian socialism meme to islamic monarchies that only survive thanks to petrole)
Royalism (traditionnal monarchy (the french "integral nationalism" if you may), not the reformist. The reformist is rather to find in moderate right options)
Traditionnal Imperialism (the same tbh but with more will to restore a lost power. All ex-monarchies have such movements (Russia, France, etc.))
Nazism (I don't need to present this one I guess, may include "pan-" qualified movements)

Write in the comments eventually.
 
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Conservative, even if i hate capitalism. I just consider it better than communism in the sense that at least it works.
 
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Conservative, even if i hate capitalism. I just consider it better than communism in the sense that at least it works.
Ok, thanks for the input. Sorry for the inconvenience.
 
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Dictatorship
 
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Tribalism. Fuck modern society
 
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Ummayadism, the creators of civilization
 
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Ok then. :D

Ummayadism, the creators of civilization
So, that's 2 votes in favor of a kind of relatively progressist monarchic Theocracy. Interesting. I should have developed more this kind of government, for there's a huge difference in the way religion can be used as a tool of power, between religions themselves but also in each religious spheres.

The answer limitation is really annoying. I wanted this poll to stay anonym so that everyone could vote without fear of social ostracism because of expressing an eventually "borderline" opinion. Now it looks like the forum turned from an IT neo-nazi bastion caricature into a centrist comfort zone. Being a moderate cuck myself, well, why the fuck not tbh :lul:
Tribalism. Fuck modern society
OK. Do you think it can be assimilated to Anarchy and Anomy ? I frankly struggled to even situate those movements in the classical left/right repartition. Putting them together doesn't really make sense in my opinion now tbh.
 
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Not to sound like a special snowflake but I'm too "all over the map" politically to be put into any one camp.

On economic issues I'm pretty far left. I support single payer healthcare, moving towards universal basic income, etc. and increasing the tax rate at the highest bracket significantly in order to do so.

But on social issues I'm more libertarian. I'm a strong supporter of the first amendment, the constitution in general, and due process...things almost all millennial leftists strongly oppose. I'm also against identity politics which is pretty much all millennial leftists care about.

I guess if you had to put a label on me, "old school liberal" would be somewhat fitting.
 
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On economic issues I'm pretty far left. I support single payer healthcare, moving towards universal basic income, etc. and increasing the tax rate at the highest bracket significantly in order to do so.

But on social issues I'm more libertarian. I'm a strong supporter of the first amendment, the constitution in general, and due process...things almost all millennial leftists strongly oppose. I'm also against identity politics which is pretty much all millennial leftists care about.


The political nomenclature in the US is quite messed up when it comes to combine economical and social things ... I think it was made on purpose by the parties in power at some point in order to establish an endless centrist consensus between them two.

The concept you call "liberalism" only matches if you posit that liberalism = leftism, while in truth economical liberalism is not what you seem to advocate. To make it simple, you're libertarian on social issues, and sort of far left on economical issues.

In the universal nomenclature we use here, that would make you a regular social-democrat, so the 6th choice (a social-democrat candidate who was running for presidency in France actually had the exact program you just described btw). :)

"Millenial leftists" in the US as described by you would be considered as "centrists" or uneducated "anomists" (the educated ones are a more respectable different kind) in most other parts of the world ... Taking the example of France again (sorry, I'm french lol), our current president (who had literaly 0 program) had tons of the votes from this kind of pseudo-leftists ... They fall for easy demagogy but don't think about a real political project on long term. Real leftists do hate them for the bad image and misconception these centrists disseminate over the real left.
 
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I'm not sure that I'm any of these things.
christian socialism
This would probably be the closest to where I stand, even if it is a meme. I despise both capitalism and modern society. Although I'm not certain that my idea of "socialism" is compatible with the common definition, as I believe that egalitarianism of the sexes is a ridiculous and evidently harmful standard for several reasons which I won't get into right now.

But I don't pay attention to politics, as I've mentioned before I have basically no allies so focusing my attention on this seems to be pointless.
 
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>Ultimate political poll
>Doesn't even include "Libertarian"
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I'm not sure that I'm any of these things.

This would probably be the closest to where I stand, even if it is a meme. I despise both capitalism and modern society. Although I'm not certain that my idea of "socialism" is compatible with the common definition, as I believe that egalitarianism of the sexes is a ridiculous and evidently harmful standard for several reasons which I won't get into right now.

But I don't pay attention to politics, as I've mentioned before I have basically no allies so focusing my attention on this seems to be pointless.
Interesting choice. It's not a meme, it used to be a perfectly legit political trend in western Europe at the beginning of the last century. Christianism is a very empaphetic religion, so it can be theorically linked with socialism on some points.


So regarding "right wing" (or assimilated tbh) :

2 votes : progressist islamic monarchy (partly theocratic and monarchic)
1 vote : christian socialism (partly theocratic and republican)

>Ultimate political poll
>Doesn't even include "Libertarian"
:feelstastyman:
You can't read is that so ?
 
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You can't read is that so ?
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Where on that list is the libertarian option?
 
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Where on that list is the libertarian option?

The "libertarian" option is blatantly written in one of the packages, and you can deduct with an IQ above 10 that it is also present in some others. You're not "libertarian" out of nowhere, you're libertarian in a more classical cynical way or in a more "honest" literal way. Some monarchic regimes, ultra-leftist and even far-right regimes can be libertarian, or pretend they are, on some extent. I said this kind of subtle variations can be explained further by voters using the comments if needed.

The word is literaly written man, just READ IT :lul:
 
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I am a conservative tending to fascism.

But tbh I am fine with liberalism. It's more achievable in today's society and it's better than any leftist ideal. We are never going to have another fascist right wing government again in the west anyway.
 
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Objectivism JFL I cant believe I'm choosing something created by a women... Altruistic is for cucks
 
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Where is the "I give no fucks about politics" option?
 
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I am a conservative tending to fascism.

But tbh I am fine with liberalism. It's more achievable in today's society and it's better than any leftist ideal. We are never going to have another fascist right wing government again in the west anyway.
Interesting to hear your honest testimony about the permeability between these movements. Actually that's the reason why I wanted to put fascism right below conservatism in the poll. Did you vote conservative then ? If not, that will be another vote for the rest of the "right and assimilated" thing.
Objectivism JFL I cant believe I'm choosing something created by a women... Altruistic is for cucks
Where is the "I give no fucks about politics" option?
Centrism is your new home guys ...:feelsautistic:
 
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Interesting to hear your honest testimony about the permeability between these movements. Actually that's the reason why I wanted to put fascism right below conservatism in the poll. Did you vote conservatist then ? If not, that will be another vote for the rest of the "right and assimilated" thing.


Centrism is your new home guys ...:feelsautistic:
Yes I voted conservatist
 
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The "libertarian" option is blatantly written in one of the packages, and you can deduct with an IQ above 10 that it is also present in some others. You're not "libertarian" out of nowhere, you're libertarian in a more classical cynical way or in a more "honest" literal way. Some monarchic regimes, ultra-leftist and even far-right regimes can be libertarian, or pretend they are, on some extent. I said this kind of subtle variations can be explained further by voters using the comments if needed.

The word is literaly written man, just READ IT :lul:
The word is literally written man, the fact that it is accompanied by other words such as "socialism" and "socially progressive" doesn't matter at all.
 
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The word is literally written man, the fact that it is accompanied by other words such as "socialism" and "socially progressive" doesn't matter at all.
How can you even be libertarian without being socially progressive though ? It has nothing to do with "socialism" btw (you made up things here, the word "socialism" is not written in the package), it means you're progressive regarding social phenomenon (sexual liberation, less institutions, freedom of individuals over the coercive state, etc.). That's what being a libertarian is.
 
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I was talking about the ANARCO-LIBERAL package because I thought you were obviously talking about this one but ok. Liberal in this one is meant as economical liberal btw (aka open market VS protectionism, etc).

If you're not a "far-left" US democrat or an european social democrat, why are you even questioning me about this particular category if that is precisely not the category that represents you in the first place ? :feelsautistic:
"Socially progressive" is a vague term which doesn't inherently mean more freedom.
It's a whole new fucking big debate tbh. For some yes, for some no. That's precisely the reason why "libertarians" are often seen as hypocritical by both real left and right wing movements tbh.

I'm not really a libertarian myself, that's why I may appear a bit judgemental toward them. Sorry.
 
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I like the idea of anarcho-capitalism, but there should be at least some kind of taxing just so there's a social safety net for the people at the very bottom.
 
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I like the idea of anarcho-capitalism, but there should be at least some kind of taxing just so there's a social safety net for the people at the very bottom.
Well, hate the game, not the player. :heybby:

It's an utopia if you're super wealthy, it's hell on earth if you're poor tbh.
 
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its over for conservaticels
 
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its over for conservaticels
Lol, at least you're not an edgy islamico nazi pan-Swiss ... I think it's really over if you're an edgy islamico nazi pan-Swiss tbh
 
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Well, hate the game, not the player. :heybby:

It's an utopia if you're super wealthy, it's hell on earth if you're poor tbh.
That's my main issue with it, I have no problem with the enormous wealth gap between the rich and the middle class, it's the enormous wealth gap between the middle class and the poor that needs fixing.
 
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Don't want to offend you, but the poll is meh.

Libertarian socialism is a classical form of anarchism. Tribalism is a form of micronationalism or doesn't even describe a political system. I think what you mean is communalism.

Anomie, Mutualism, Anarchocapitalism, Libertarianism and Anarcho liberalism should go together.

So should social democracy / social liberalism. Lumping capitalist and non capitalist ideologies together is just bad.

(Vanguard party) communism should be one point, not three for the sake of this polltool at least.

Imperialism is a modus operandi, I think there is one rightwing fringe ideology which uses this term though.

Centrism is a meme. It's liberalism. If people just take a stance because it is currently the mainstream ideology they are cucked anyway and shouldn't be in this poll.

Where is Nazbol?
Not to sound like a special snowflake but I'm too "all over the map" politically to be put into any one camp.

On economic issues I'm pretty far left. I support single payer healthcare, moving towards universal basic income, etc. and increasing the tax rate at the highest bracket significantly in order to do so.

But on social issues I'm more libertarian. I'm a strong supporter of the first amendment, the constitution in general, and due process...things almost all millennial leftists strongly oppose. I'm also against identity politics which is pretty much all millennial leftists care about.

I guess if you had to put a label on me, "old school liberal" would be somewhat fitting.
Social Liberal / Social democrat. I'd say.
I like the idea of anarcho-capitalism, but there should be at least some kind of taxing just so there's a social safety net for the people at the very bottom.
Liberalism or conservative.
 
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Don't want to offend you, but the poll is meh.

Libertarian socialism is a classical form of anarchism. Tribalism is a form of micronationalism or doesn't even describe a political system. I think what you mean is communalism.

Anomie, Mutualism, Anarchocapitalism, Libertarianism and Anarcho liberalism should go together.

So should social democracy / social liberalism. Lumping capitalist and non capitalist ideologies together is just bad.

(Vanguard party) communism should be one point, not three for the sake of this polltool at least.

Imperialism is a modus operandi, I think there is one rightwing fringe ideology which uses this term though.

Centrism is a meme. It's liberalism. If people just take a stance because it is currently the mainstream ideology they are cucked anyway and shouldn't be in this poll.

Where is Nazbol?
As I said, it's open to discussion in the comments. No nomenclature is perfect, but at least I tried to add more rungs to what was made in the first poll.

tbh I consider "social liberalism" as bs. wether you're a true socialist or a true liberal (economically speaking), both can never work together, or it can be qualified as "centrist radical cuckism" for all I care.

However I agree with the part about about Anomie, Mutualism, Tribalism, communalism and Anarchy. They are indeed very different and should have had each their own pick (but I had a problem with the number of possible choices so yeah).

I think Anarchocapitalism, Libertarianism and Anarcho liberalism share more things with traditionnal capitalism rather than these "outcast" political systems. I might be wrong though, but they really emerged on a later stage of capitalism and their very existence and fundamentals depends on the presence of a precursor wealthy capitalist society.
 
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Sticking to whatever side benefits me the most.
 
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It was already made some times ago, but I think it lacked precision and universalism. We need to be more precise in the terms we use when it comes to politics.

A lot of people here (americans, mostly) can't tell the difference between liberals, left (socialism for instance) and far left (communism, including stalinism, maoism, leninism, trotskism, ...). Some others also think fascism, nazism and the brand new edgy fuckboyish "alt-right" is the same shit (it is not). Do some researches if you just learned something kek

Also, a lot of other kind of opinions weren't represented, or not in a precise spectrum. Now you have the opportunity to really express your opinion through this spectrum.

So here it is, a new poll. In this poll, opinions are classified from left to right. Pick yours and let other users see how it turns out.

I merely put here opinions that had a significant impact on society through space and time, in other words, that are relevant. For instance, literal meme jokes such as "Kimism" (the pseudo communist doctrine from North Korea) aren't depicted. However, you can still choose "Stalinism" if you're in favor of an authoritarian kind of communist government.

If you think you don't have political opinions, just pick "centrism". If it's a problem for you, it means you have another political opinion. Use the comment eventually if you think the poll didn't documented it (only if it's a legit opinion, no memes aloud as we saw above).

You can choose only one thing, of course. The poll is anonymous.
Wait
wtf
NOOOOO

Ok, it seems you can't do a proper poll on this site because the number of answer is limited. I can't put all the right wing stuffs ...:feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree::feelsree:

Write down in the comment if you're right wing, sorry for the inconvenience.

In right wing I wanted to add, in this order :

Fascism (economical protectionist, socially open to reform but uses systematic national preference)
Alt-right (Edgy identitary people, can include funky stuffs such as the "french dissidence" meme lmao)
Theocracy (from christian socialism meme to islamic monarchies that only survive thanks to petrole)
Royalism (traditionnal monarchy (the french "integral nationalism" if you may), not the reformist. The reformist is rather to find in moderate right options)
Traditionnal Imperialism (the same tbh but with more will to restore a lost power. All ex-monarchies have such movements (Russia, France, etc.))
Nazism (I don't need to present this one I guess, may include "pan-" qualified movements)

Write in the comments eventually.
centrist libertarian
 
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conservative but believe in anarchist strategies to bring about change.
Also idk much about titoism but from what I know it seemed good idk I'd have to see how foids behaved under it.
They were probably sluts still so sticking with conservative.
 
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