The Tatar Slave Market

[Balikesir]

An opinion that is coursing online is that white people have never been slaves. This is easily disprovable

In this post I'd like to talk about a lesser known slave trade. The Crimean Khanates slave market

The Crimean Khanate and the Nogai Horde. 2 Turkic states. Teamed up for 300 years to kidnap Slavic people and sent them to various places

Crimean Khanate - Wikipedia

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Nogai Horde - Wikipedia

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They were usually shipped to the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans would then reship the lesser ones to the Middle East.
The women were serving in the Harems, the men, as warriors

Estimates of the number of people affected vary: Polish historian Bohdan Baranowski assumed that the 17th-century Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth (present-day Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, and Belarus) lost an average of 20,000 yearly and as many as one million in total from 1474 to 1694.[6] Mikhail Khodarkhovsky estimates that 150,000 to 200,000 people were abducted from Russia in the first half of the 17th-century.[7]

These human trade goods were mostly sold on to the Ottoman Empire, although some remained in Crimea. Slaves and freedmen formed approximately 75% of the Crimean population.[

The 17th century Ottoman writer and traveller Evliya Çelebi estimated that there were about 400,000 slaves in the Crimea but only 187,000 free Muslims.[4

The human losses during the raids in Eastern Europe were significant. According to partial statistics and fragmentary estimates, nearly 2 million Russians, Ukrainians, and Poles were taken into slavery by the Crimean Tatars from 1468 to 1694.[25] In the first half of the 17th century alone, an estimated 150 to 200 thousand people were taken into slavery from the territory of the Moscow State. These figures do not take into account those who were killed during the attacks.[

One Russian woman, Roxelana, became prominent in this environment. She would later be called Hürem Sultan. The wife of Suleman the Magnificent

Roxelana - Wikipedia

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Born in Ruthenia (then an eastern region of the Kingdom of Poland, now Rohatyn, Ukraine) to a Ruthenian Orthodox family, she was captured by Crimean Tatars during a slave raid and eventually taken via the Crimean trade to Constantinople, the Ottoman capital.[3]

In one of their raids the Tatars burned down Moscow

Crimean Khan Devlet I Giray burnt down Moscow during the 1571 campaign. Contemporaries counted up to 80,000 victims of the Tatar invasion in 1571, with 150,000 Russians taken as captives.[17] Ivan the Terrible, having learnt that Crimean Khanate army was approaching Moscow, fled from Moscow to Kolomna with his oprichniks.[

This reign of slavery would end when the Russian Empire annexed the region in 1783

After the Azov campaigns of Peter I in the 18th century, the raids became smaller and were mostly carried out in the Dnieper region, the Azov region, and the Don, by both the Tatars and the Cossacks in both directions.[28]

The territory of the Crimean Khanate was annexed by the Russian Empire on 19 April [O.S. 8 April] 1783.[1] Russia had wanted more control over the Black Sea, and an end to the Crimean slave trade, and as such, waged a series of wars against the Ottoman Empire and its Crimean vassal.

Annexation of the Crimean Khanate by the Russian Empire - Wikipedia

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Most Slavic slaves were imported to the Muslim world through the border between Christian and Islamic kingdoms where castration centres were also located instead of the direct route. From there they were sent into Islamic Spain and other Muslim-ruled regions especially North Africa.

Slavery in the Ottoman Empire - Wikipedia

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Here are the prices. Only wealthy people could afford slaves

The most expensive slaves were those between 10 and 35 years of age, with the highest prices for European virgin girls 13–25 years of age and teenage boys. The cheaper slaves were those with disabilities and sub-Saharan Africans. Prices in Crete ranged between 65 and 150 "esedi guruş" (see Kuruş). But even the lowest prices were affordable to only high income persons. For example, in 1717 a 12-year-old boy with mental disabilities was sold for 27 guruş, an amount that could buy in the same year 462 kg (1,019 lb) of lamb meat, 933 kg (2,057 lb) of bread or 1,385 L (366 US gal) of milk. In 1671 a female slave was sold in Crete for 350 guruş, while at the same time the value of a large two-floor house with a garden in Chania was 300 guruş.

The Ottomans banned slavery in 1847. This didn't stop slavery entirely. Some nobles kept selling and buying slaves in the black market

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

An opinion that is coursing online is that white people have never been slaves. This is easily disprovable

In this post I'd like to talk about a lesser known slave trade. The Crimean Khanates slave market

The Crimean Khanate and the Nogai Horde. 2 Turkic states. Teamed up for 300 years to kidnap Slavic people and sent them to various places

Crimean Khanate - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Nogai Horde - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

They were usually shipped to the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans would then reship the lesser ones to the Middle East.
The women were serving in the Harems, the men, as warriors





One Russian woman, Roxelana, became prominent in this environment. She would later be called Hürem Sultan. The wife of Suleman the Magnificent

Roxelana - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

In one of their raids the Tatars burned down Moscow


This reign of slavery would end when the Russian Empire annexed the region in 1783

Annexation of the Crimean Khanate by the Russian Empire - Wikipedia

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Slavery in the Ottoman Empire - Wikipedia

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Here are the prices. Only wealthy people could afford slaves



The Ottomans banned slavery in 1847. This didn't stop slavery entirely. Some nobles kept selling and buying slaves in the black market

Roxelana is Ukrainian, not Russian.
And yes, I have a question, were there nobles in the Ottoman Empire?

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

An opinion that is coursing online is that white people have never been slaves. This is easily disprovable

In this post I'd like to talk about a lesser known slave trade. The Crimean Khanates slave market

The Crimean Khanate and the Nogai Horde. 2 Turkic states. Teamed up for 300 years to kidnap Slavic people and sent them to various places

Crimean Khanate - Wikipedia

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Nogai Horde - Wikipedia

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They were usually shipped to the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans would then reship the lesser ones to the Middle East.
The women were serving in the Harems, the men, as warriors





One Russian woman, Roxelana, became prominent in this environment. She would later be called Hürem Sultan. The wife of Suleman the Magnificent

Roxelana - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

In one of their raids the Tatars burned down Moscow


This reign of slavery would end when the Russian Empire annexed the region in 1783

Annexation of the Crimean Khanate by the Russian Empire - Wikipedia

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Slavery in the Ottoman Empire - Wikipedia

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Here are the prices. Only wealthy people could afford slaves



The Ottomans banned slavery in 1847. This didn't stop slavery entirely. Some nobles kept selling and buying slaves in the black market

Was there an institution of nobility in the Ottoman Empire? Like the sultan initiated someone into the Pashas ( Knights) and gave land with peasants for civil or military service?

 

[MaskMan2]

What a delight to see women to being sold in the market.

 

[Balikesir]

Roksolana is Ukrainian, not Russian.
And yes, I have a question, were there nobles in the Ottoman Empire?

There was. The nobility wasn't necessarily based on blood ties, although it did help.

Many noble Europeans who converted to Islam remained nobles in the Ottoman empire.

These for example:

Dukaginzade Ahmed Pasha - Wikipedia

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Dukagjini family - Wikipedia

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Hamza Kastrioti - Wikipedia

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House of Kastrioti - Wikipedia

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Many of these would become irrelevant as time passed. Unlike the european nobility, the Ottoman nobility cared for actions. If you're a Kastrioti but haven't done anything significant in the past generations, you would lose status.

The last I read on the Muslim Kastrioti family in Constantinople was that they owned a shop. They went from one of the highest ranks, to simple shop owners. Nowadays they're normal citizens.

The serbs maintained long power by using their connections.

Sokollu Mehmed Pasha - Wikipedia

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Mehmed was a muslim. Some of his cousins remained Christians though. He installed them as heads of the Orthodox church. Many would do this. They would install their cousins and brothers into positions of power. This is why Turks online say that becoming a jannisary wasn't bad. In the end your family will become prestigious.

Another way was by skill. If you were a good commander, good sailor, good at anything war related you'd surely become raised into a prestigious standing.

Islamic scholars were too.

Kadi (Ottoman Empire) - Wikipedia

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List of Sheikh-ul-Islams of the Ottoman Empire - Wikipedia

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The Greeks have a saying in which they describe how a Kadi (judge) trusted the word of 1 Muslim man. If you were a Christian man you needed at least 3 male witnesses (off the top of my head) if you were a woman, well you weren't taken seriously.

A Christian bishop would be a noble too. The Serbian and Greek orthodox churches ruled their respected lands. The church of Constantinople, which to this day is active, used to have authority over the christians of Constantinople.

Under Ottoman rule, the Greek Orthodox Church acquired power as an autonomous millet.

Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople - Wikipedia

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Tldr: Religious figures (Christian, Jew, Muslim), foreign nobles (you'd get a head start, but have to maintain a level of importance by proving your value), skilled military commanders, merchants with lots of money (See Armenian merchants of Agri)

The current town center was founded around 1860 by a group of Armenian merchants from Bitlis with the name Karakilise (قره‌کلیسا, lit. 'the black church') that became known to the local population as Karakise, and this version was turned officially to Karaköse at the beginning of the Republican era. This name was changed to Ağrı by 1946.[citation needed

List of Ottoman titles and appellations - Wikipedia

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[Balikesir]

What a delight to see women to being sold in the market.

It wasn't only women. Men too.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

There was. The nobility wasn't necessarily based on blood ties, although it did help.

Many noble Europeans who converted to Islam remained nobles in the Ottoman empire.

These for example:

Dukaginzade Ahmed Pasha - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Dukagjini family - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Hamza Kastrioti - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

House of Kastrioti - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Many of these would become irrelevant as time passed. Unlike the european nobility, the Ottoman nobility cared for actions. If you're a Kastrioti but haven't done anything significant in the past generations, you would lose status.

The last I read on the Muslim Kastrioti family in Constantinople was that they owned a shop. They went from one of the highest ranks, to simple shop owners. Nowadays they're normal citizens.

The serbs maintained long power by using their connections.

Sokollu Mehmed Pasha - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Mehmed was a muslim. Some of his cousins remained Christians though. He installed them as heads of the Orthodox church. Many would do this. They would install their cousins and brothers into positions of power. This is why Turks online say that becoming a jannisary wasn't bad. In the end your family will become prestigious.

Another way was by skill. If you were a good commander, good sailor, good at anything war related you'd surely become raised into a prestigious standing.

Islamic scholars were too.

Kadi (Ottoman Empire) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

List of Sheikh-ul-Islams of the Ottoman Empire - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Greeks have a saying in which they describe how a Kadi (judge) trusted the word of 1 Muslim man. If you were a Christian man you needed at least 3 male witnesses (off the top of my head) if you were a woman, well you weren't taken seriously.

A Christian bishop would be a noble too. The Serbian and Greek orthodox churches ruled their respected lands. The church of Constantinople, which to this day is active, used to have authority over the christians of Constantinople.

Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Tldr: Religious figures (Christian, Jew, Muslim), foreign nobles (you'd get a head start, but have to maintain a level of importance by proving your value), skilled military commanders, merchants with lots of money (See Armenian merchants of Agri)

List of Ottoman titles and appellations - Wikipedia

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Strangely, for the sake of interest, I studied the coat of arms of the nobles of the Russian Empire and Prussia, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. But the Ottoman Empire could not have a system of family coats of arms, since Islam forbids drawing living beings.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

There was. The nobility wasn't necessarily based on blood ties, although it did help.

Many noble Europeans who converted to Islam remained nobles in the Ottoman empire.

These for example:

Dukaginzade Ahmed Pasha - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Dukagjini family - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Hamza Kastrioti - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

House of Kastrioti - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Many of these would become irrelevant as time passed. Unlike the european nobility, the Ottoman nobility cared for actions. If you're a Kastrioti but haven't done anything significant in the past generations, you would lose status.

The last I read on the Muslim Kastrioti family in Constantinople was that they owned a shop. They went from one of the highest ranks, to simple shop owners. Nowadays they're normal citizens.

The serbs maintained long power by using their connections.

Sokollu Mehmed Pasha - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Mehmed was a muslim. Some of his cousins remained Christians though. He installed them as heads of the Orthodox church. Many would do this. They would install their cousins and brothers into positions of power. This is why Turks online say that becoming a jannisary wasn't bad. In the end your family will become prestigious.

Another way was by skill. If you were a good commander, good sailor, good at anything war related you'd surely become raised into a prestigious standing.

Islamic scholars were too.

Kadi (Ottoman Empire) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

List of Sheikh-ul-Islams of the Ottoman Empire - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Greeks have a saying in which they describe how a Kadi (judge) trusted the word of 1 Muslim man. If you were a Christian man you needed at least 3 male witnesses (off the top of my head) if you were a woman, well you weren't taken seriously.

A Christian bishop would be a noble too. The Serbian and Greek orthodox churches ruled their respected lands. The church of Constantinople, which to this day is active, used to have authority over the christians of Constantinople.

Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Tldr: Religious figures (Christian, Jew, Muslim), foreign nobles (you'd get a head start, but have to maintain a level of importance by proving your value), skilled military commanders, merchants with lots of money (See Armenian merchants of Agri)

List of Ottoman titles and appellations - Wikipedia

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Did the Ottoman Empire have serfdom? That is, the sultan gave land for the service of a nobleman, at which peasants were attached who worked on this land and paid for its use to a nobleman landowner?

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Ironically, some invisible hand of history took revenge on the Crimean Tatars through the mass national deportation of Stalin.

 

[slavcel11]

well natashism has deep roots

 

[Balikesir]

Strangely, for the sake of interest, I studied the coat of arms of the nobles of the Russian Empire and Prussia, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. But the Ottoman Empire could not have a system of family coats of arms, since Islam forbids drawing living beings.

Islam forbids paintings of caliphs too. But ottomans did this. The Ottomans were hypocrites. This is why the Arabs don't like Turks.

The Ottoman flag is an ancient Greek symbol. This is prohibited in Islam. You are not allowed to have anything pre Islamic.

At earlier stages they showed their hypocrisy. Ottoman Sultan Orhan adopted the Byzantine flag. The cross is still visible in the middle. Only difference is he reduced the size of it and put Kayi symbolism on each corner.

Byzantine flag for comparison

The Turks were never known for their strong faith. What you see in TV shows is propaganda by the Turkish state. In the end Islam was the religion of the Middle East. The early Turks had to adopt Islam if they ever wanted to rule there.

Modern Turkish culture is a product of Byzantines converting to Islam. This is why Byzantine folksongs sound the same as Turkish ones. Byzantine converts wouldn't change much in their life. They didn't need to.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

well natashism has deep roots

Many everyday things have roots in history, so I adore this science.

 

[Balikesir]

Ironically, some invisible hand of history took revenge on the Crimean Tatars through the mass national deportation of Stalin.

I don't know your beliefs but in my view every sin in life comes back to haunt you. Look at how the Ottomans fell. Very brutally.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

I don't know your beliefs but in my view every sin in life comes back to haunt you. Look at how the Ottomans fell. Very brutally.

I am an atheist, although I was an Orthodox Christian until I was 14, damn it, I went to church every six months as a child to confess my sins and even read the Bible.

 

[Balikesir]

Did the Ottoman Empire have serfdom? That is, the sultan gave land for the service of a nobleman, at which peasants were attached who worked on this land and paid for its use to a nobleman landowner?

No.

The Ottomans installed Sanjakbeys and lesser beys in regions. Taxes were paid to the Sultan and people could freely work elsewhere. Turks migrated to Macedonia, Thesally for work.

later Anatolia was much more unstable. Multiple rebellions happened and the states were freed for a short time. Sometimes decades.

Aydin is a good example.

Atçalı Kel Mehmet - Wikipedia

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Atçalı Kel Mehmet Efe (c. 1780–1830) was a Zeybek who led a local revolt against Ottoman authority and established control of the Aydın region for a short period between 1829 and 1830 (during the reign of Mahmud II).[1]

Many more rebellions would happen there. The Turks didn't pay their taxes anymore. What the Sultan did was he took Greeks from surrounding Islands and settled them into Turkish villages. These Greeks would farm and pay taxes.

This caused a catastrophe as the Muslims would regularly plunder the christians. The christians often became wealthy merchants, while the Muslims were uneducated peasants.

Later this led to ethnic cleansing by the Muslims after these Greeks had worked with the Greek army who invaded shortly after the great war.

Its a mess.

Tldr: No. Sultan did install people to govern and oversee these lands, but ultimately the people could do as they please because the Sultan barely had control over the Turks, which led to an attempt at replacing populations, which led to massacres, plundering and total war.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

No.

The Ottomans installed Sanjakbeys and lesser beys in regions. Taxes were paid to the Sultan and people could freely work elsewhere. Turks migrated to Macedonia, Thesally for work.

later Anatolia was much more unstable. Multiple rebellions happened and the states were freed for a short time. Sometimes decades.

Aydin is a good example.

Atçalı Kel Mehmet - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Many more rebellions would happen there. The Turks didn't pay their taxes anymore. What the Sultan did was he took Greeks from surrounding Islands and settled them into Turkish villages. These Greeks would farm and pay taxes.

This caused a catastrophe as the Muslims would regularly plunder the christians. The christians often became wealthy merchants, while the Muslims were uneducated peasants.

Later this led to ethnic cleansing by the Muslims after these Greeks had worked with the Greek army who invaded shortly after the great war.

Its a mess.

Tldr: No. Sultan did install people to govern and oversee these lands, but ultimately the people could do as they please because the Sultan barely had control over the Turks, which led to an attempt at replacing populations, which led to massacres, plundering and total war.

Interestingly, serfdom was established in Russia in 1649 - that is, you could not leave your landowner in any way. If your landowner on whose land you worked was an idiot, then it was impossible to change him to another until 1861, when serfdom was officially abolished. The only way to escape from serfdom was to be sent to serve in the army, but service in the army, but until 1793 the service was endless, and after 1793 it was already 25 years of service until 1874, when it was reduced to 15 years.

 

[Balikesir]

I am an atheist, although I was an Orthodox Christian until I was 14, damn it, I went to church every six months as a child to confess my sins and even read the Bible.

There's lots of wisdom in the Bible. I think what makes slavs better than many other europeans is their traditional life. There's strength to be gained in remaining traditional.

The women whore around, but most slavic men I have met were mature and respectable. Their families are not broken up and they excell in sports.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

There's lots of wisdom in the Bible. I think what makes slavs better than many other europeans is their traditional life. There's strength to be gained in remaining traditional.

The women whore around, but most slavic men I have met were mature and respectable. Their families are not broken up and they excell in sports.

I don't believe it, matriarchy is very strong in Slavic countries, and the percentage of divorces in Russia/Ukraine accounts for about 70%, while even in progressive Germany this figure is about 40%.

 

[Balikesir]

Interestingly, serfdom was established in Russia in 1649 - that is, you could not leave your landowner in any way. If your landowner on whose land you worked was an idiot, then it was impossible to change him to another until 1861, when serfdom was officially abolished. The only way to escape from serfdom was to be sent to serve in the army, but service in the army, but until 1793 the service was endless, and after 1793 it was already 25 years of service until 1874, when it was reduced to 15 years.

Thats horrible. There were many idiots in the Ottoman empire. Im glad this wasn't enforced there.

I read that Peter the Great made a law that no Russian is allowed to have a long traditional Orthodox beard. They needed to wear mustaches in style of westerners or else they get taxed.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Thats horrible. There were many idiots in the Ottoman empire. Im glad this wasn't enforced there.

I read that Peter the Great made a law that no Russian is allowed to have a long traditional Orthodox beard. They needed to wear mustaches in style of westerners or else they get taxed.

Yes, but this only applied to merchants and nobles. If you are a peasant or a priest, the tax did not apply to you. Peter 1 was a very cruel but effective ruler. Russia literally had no diplomatic relations with anyone at the embassy level from European countries, Russia had no access to the sea, except for the Caspian Sea. Peter the Great gained access to the Baltic Sea in a short time and created a military fleet, built a new capital.

 

[Balikesir]

I don't believe it, matriarchy is very strong in Slavic countries, and the percentage of divorces in Russia/Ukraine accounts for about 70%, while even in progressive Germany this figure is about 40%.

Oh wow I did not know the number was that high. Thats a shame. Slavic countries are beautiful.

Their art is dark and gloomy. There's this sadness that slavs can naturally show in their works. A level of natural brutality and a feeling of being doomed.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Thats horrible. There were many idiots in the Ottoman empire. Im glad this wasn't enforced there.

I read that Peter the Great made a law that no Russian is allowed to have a long traditional Orthodox beard. They needed to wear mustaches in style of westerners or else they get taxed.

Peter the Great was the greatest Russian monarch in history. Even under communism, he was respected as a great ruler, and Stalin himself was a fan of only two Russian monarchs, Ivan the Terrible and Peter the Great.

 

[Balikesir]

Yes, but this only applied to merchants and nobles. If you are a peasant or a priest, the tax did not apply to you. Peter 1 was a very cruel but effective ruler. Russia literally had no diplomatic relations with anyone at the embassy level from European countries, Russia had no access to the sea, except for the Caspian Sea. Peter the Great gained access to the Baltic Sea in a short time and created a military fleet, built a new capital.

Peter made Russia into an Empire. In Turkish we call him 'Deli Petro' (Crazy Peter)

The Ottomans called him Mad Peter (Turkish: deli Petro), for his willingness to sacrifice large numbers of his troops in wartime

He opened up a path for the destruction of the Ottoman empire. For a new empire to rise, another must fall. He did a good job.

 

[Balikesir]

Peter the Great was the greatest Russian monarch in history.

Definitely

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Peter made Russia into an Empire. In Turkish we call him 'Deli Petro' (Crazy Peter)



He opened up a path for the destruction of the Ottoman empire. For a new empire to rise, another must fall. He did a good job.

Yes, he had a trauma in childhood, when there was a conflict between the elites, regarding who was supposed to rule, the Archers (elite troops) of that time killed his uncle in front of his eyes. After that, he began to have mental problems, when sometimes he became hysterical, began to scream,
beat and break everything around.
Legally, the Ottomans outlived the Russian Empire by 5 years. The Russian Empire died in 1917, and the Ottomans in 1922.