if you expect to fuck women on command since you own them like property, you will have star-fish sex.
Only if you jam it in right away. That shit happened in Victorian/Christian eras because men weren't educated about foreplay so they weren't warming her up first and getting her excited.
Hygiene probably had something to do with that. We have a lot better access to stuff like soap and hot water, so fingering / oral sex has much less risk of disease since both parties can bathe first.
It also has nothing to do with ownership: if you voluntarily agree to be married, this is a duty. Not fulfilling it should be grounds for divorcing her without alimony.
tradcelling is just another cope, people distracting themselves from the main issue.
it's bluepilled if anything
true blackpill is admitting defeat,
knowing that this can't be changed and we're celibate forever and doomed.
Blackpill is acknowledging that genetics play a stronger role in partner selection.
Redpill is thinking personality / lifestyle plays a bigger role.
Aside from favouring one approach, these pills are not as far apart as some play at. They both acknowledge the importance of both factors (nature and nurture) but have different perspective on priority.
Obviously redpill/nurture is a more hope-inspiring approach since it makes fate seem more malleable in an age where DNA can't be significantly rewritten.
tradcel narrative is that the problem is incels are born in the wrong generation
and if women were subjected to values of a better society,
in tradcuck's minds it's the one in the past,
I don't think that traditionalism necessarily means reverting to the past in all, or even MOST respects. It may just be cherrypicking a few good ideas from there. That's some people's take on religion/philosophy too.
they would be forced to marry tradcels and inceldom wouldn't be a issue.
and inceldom is not a death sentence by this narrative,
Life is a death sentence unless we deveope super life extension tech or get magical ghost powers.
Inceldom is merely a blue balls sentence combined with other depressing aspects of life which gradually kill us by giving us ulcers or making us more susceptible to cancers, unless someone decides to an hero because they've lost hope due to cognitive distortions like what you spread above ("admit defeat")
you can in theory change the values and mechanics of the system.
if you can overthrow the SJW, feminist, anti-masculinity dominance in the media
and rewire the females' brains into conservative values from the now corrupted, degenerate fuck a hot guy everyday lifestyle wiring.
Yes, saying it's a workable theory doesn't mean we're necessarily confident we'd know how to put the theory into action.
what they lack is reading. pick up growth of the soil by hamsun. complete aggricultural living peasant's ugly ass wife cheating on him. or any literature, or history book. go back as far as you can. we see females cheating and going for genetically superior male at any given chance.
Wrong: even if given a chance to cheat, some of them would not, for fear of being discovered. They would only act on these chances if they thought they could get away with it.
That is : VERY OFTEN, because women are masters of deception. But not ANY given chance.
women killing themselves because of their arranged marriages caused them not being able to marry the handsome son of the poor villager.
That is so fucking RARE, as women barely ever commit suicide. They are masters of coping by spreading for their conquerors.
Whenever this oddity pops up, it's naturally selected against if the woman an-heroines before she breeds.
Besides, in a world with arranged marriages, they wouldn't need to be FORCED ones, so if she really is fixed on handsome-son, she can stay a spinster hoping for his wife to die. As she gradually falls into poverty (because no welfare bux for her, no easy jobs because of thirsty males pretending she contributes) she might be willing to open her legs to a non-chad, and maybe eventually her heart.
at any given timeline, even in the islamic state, women were fucking stoned to death for being promiscous, even that couldn't stop their lust for Chad. it's always women going for Chad.
You can never stop ALL of them, sure, but you can introduce factors to dissuade SOME. The point is to improve a system, not perfect it.
The problem with the above approach is the lack of equal punishment for Chad, IMO. Whatever the punishment is, which need not be violent.
traditional cuckoldry is a a hopium.
it's another flawed narrative created by a poisoned mind to cope with pain which can not handle pessimistic, truthful blackpill.
I think you're shortsighted here if you view 100% regressive traditionalism as the only incarnation of it.
Obviously the past did not work (it led to now) so we'd have to remodel it.
if it's the women's nature then nothing works.
Nature sets the table but it can be steered.
I have a natural impulse to want to beat people to death and I curb it all the time. If I can do that, women can curb their hamster-brained desire to be sluts to chad if we appeal to other Maslow's needs, like for example not paying for their housing/food if they engage in behavior we do not like. Chad only has so many pizzas to share, so eventually he will not share his pizza with pathetic Beckys, and their hunger and shivering coldness will distract her from Chad's cock as she finds some work she can actually do, instead of the fake work that thirsty orbiter bosses hand to women in hopes of a pity-fuck despite being eternally friendzoned.
that's why traditionalists blame the system,
so it can be changed and they're not completely hopeless.
I must intellectually agree with hopelessness in any system. It's at worst just 99.99% hopeless. It's... hope-deficient. Hypohopeful.
If systemic changes can reduce this to only 99.97% hopeless... well why not talk about it?
it's redditor/pol user's nonsensical idea that more they squat and less they drink, the more raises their chance of getting a girl.
It does. You start at a baseline of 0.03% chance of getting sex. Squatting gives you +0.02% chance of sex and drinking gives you -0.01% chance of sex. You can't dispute these facts, fren
while Chad does whatever the fuck he wants and get women, like it has always been.
That's because Chad has higher baseline chances.
He's got like base 20% chance of pussy, drinking is -2%, squatting is +10%, so he will varry between 18% and 30%, and doesn't have to repeat as often to find someone cooperative.
Its over being incel in any era
Except that there is no impartial way of classifying someone's life that way except retroactively. If they don't get laid (like Isaac Newton) they're supposedly incel, but if they do get laid (like Edgar Allen Poe) then you won't acknowledge him.
How far apart were they, really?
I don't know about you, but to me it looks like Newton had better facial aesthetics than Poe did. Yet Poe is the one who got to fuck a cute teen bride Virginia Clemm for a decade before tuberculosis killed her, who had a cuckquean fetish so she was asking Fanny Osgoode to come over and fuck her husband:
I realize this is "hey, just be a famous writer" which is an unrealistic aspiration for most guys, but it does prove that doing great accomplishments can help you attain not just a looksmatch but even a woman 1 or 2 points better than you.
It's not 100% over, it's just 99.99% over for most of us who won't be talented enough to reach the top of a specific field to impress a foid.
