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Serious The reason behind inceldom is porn usage.

Like what?
Feminism, no-fault divorce, culture doesn't shame foids into committed relationships anymore, economy got much worse (back in the day you could get a job and raise a family straight outta high school), not only dating apps but social media in general (foids get shitloads of attention from it so don't need relationships with men as much anymore), etc etc etc.
 
Feminism, no-fault divorce, culture doesn't shame foids into committed relationships anymore, economy got much worse (back in the day you could get a job and raise a family straight outta high school), not only dating apps but social media in general (foids get shitloads of attention from it so don't need relationships with men as much anymore), etc etc etc.
Well I showed that feminism didn’t play that much of a part in this. I mentioned this in my post. Economy could be a factor, but not for young relationships. I agree with no-fault divorce and culture.

I disagree with dating apps. If they were providing women with sex then sex among women wouldn’t be declining. But it is. Studies prove it and you can just go and ask them.

Attention from social media means a lot to foids. But it doesn’t stop them from wanting a relationship. They still want to be surrounded by an faithful partner to share memories with.

I know you probably don’t agree with this. It’s my opinion I strongly believe. It makes the most sense from all the observations I’ve made.
 
The narrative that Chads are going around banging all types of women is ridiculous. They’re not even banging that many women altogether. Go look up YouTuber, AlphaMaleStrategies. He said that at his best he was sleeping with 50-60 girls a year. That’s around 1 girl a week. And this is a dating coach who has been dating for over 20 years.
Chad by definition is 1 out of every 20 men. So 5% of male population. Multiply AMS by 20,000, or the number of chads in a city of 1 mil+. Now account for the fact that AMS might be a chadlite instead of a chad. Do you understand now?
I’ve talked to female friends and they tell me that they get ‘those’ thoughts all tAhe time. Increases in porn use from girls also says that they’re horny and need release too.
Increase in porn use by women means little because female porn has always existed in the form of books and romance dramas on TV and movies. And as for those female friends, if they really are that lonely, why don't you ask them out?
Tons of girls haven’t even held hands.
What causes you to make shit up like this? Literally every chick in my high school had a bf or at least had a male romantically interested in her. I know this because almost every foid in my class went to prom, while around 30% of the guys didn't.
 
Simp shit. Porn exploded around 2000. Tinder and Instagram arrived around 2010. Guess when sexlessness and inceldom arrived.
Well I showed that feminism didn’t play that much of a part in this. I mentioned this in my post. Economy could be a factor, but not for young relationships. I agree with no-fault divorce and culture.

I disagree with dating apps. If they were providing women with sex then sex among women wouldn’t be declining. But it is. Studies prove it and you can just go and ask them.

Attention from social media means a lot to foids. But it doesn’t stop them from wanting a relationship. They still want to be surrounded by an faithful partner to share memories with.

I know you probably don’t agree with this. It’s my opinion I strongly believe. It makes the most sense from all the observations I’ve made.
I'm not sure female sex is declining, one study posted on here suggested college girls are fucking at the same rate. But females are definitely less interested in sex in general. Why? Because their sexual value has been so inflated that they don't need to have sex with men anymore. And they don't need the validation sex provides because they get it on social media. They may still want a relationship, but they want one with a good looking guy or a simp, mainly. Denying that social media, Tinder, Instagram, Onlyfans and females living on their phones and the internet hasn't shaped the big change in male/female sexual dynamics is like denying gravity.
 
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Such fucking bullshit lmao. @Gymcelled

We would be slayers if it wasn't for porn!! NoFap will save us!

Reminds me of people who say watching porn is cucking yourself, as if the sluts would be sleeping with you if not the chads in the videos :lul:
I haven't masturbated in 4 months and I was never big into porn anyway, jfl at retards saying that's what causes inceldom

People are desperate for a locus of control and will blame the copes and CONSEQUENCES as if those were the CAUSES

Same with video games.
 
Chad by definition is 1 out of every 20 men. So 5% of male population. Multiply AMS by 20,000, or the number of chads in a city of 1 mil+. Now account for the fact that AMS might be a chadlite instead of a chad. Do you understand now?
No. I’m saying AMS is a top Chad/Tyrone. Most Chads don’t get near as much as him. So we can’t assume that someone like him would be 5% of the population. Again, just go ask Chads and find out.
Increase in porn use by women means little because female porn has always existed in the form of books and romance dramas on TV and movies. And as for those female friends, if they really are that lonely, why don't you ask them out?
Because we can’t socialise and don’t have that drive anymore because of porn.
What causes you to make shit up like this? Literally every chick in my high school had a bf or at least had a male romantically interested in her. I know this because almost every foid in my class went to prom, while around 30% of the guys didn't.
In my school it was the same amount of girls and boys in graduation.
 
I’m saying AMS is a top Chad/Tyrone.
As compared to who? Post pics. There are male models that mog the fuck out of him.
Again, just go ask Chads and find out.
I know two chads that date 5 different women at once. And they usually switch them out when a new semester starts (they are still in college).
Because we can’t socialise and don’t have that drive anymore because of porn.
:feelskek:Nothing stops you from going outside and talking to those "lonely" foids. They are literally your friends. Ask them out. Porn is not responsible for your lack of a gf. What's stopping you is a sense of the immediate rejection you'll get.
In my school it was the same amount of girls and boys in graduation.
Prom is not graduation. What country are you from?
 
wow, I'm surprised to see that level of gaslighting.
 
I haven't masturbated in 4 months and I was never big into porn anyway, jfl at retards saying that's what causes inceldom

People are desperate for a locus of control and will blame the copes and CONSEQUENCES as if those were the CAUSES

Same with video games.
Correct.
 
It’s all about looks. GrAYcel.
 
Studies have shown that BOTH men and women are having less sex than in the past decades.
This is because more women are delaying marriage and choosing to stay single. Women have much more sex when they are in relationships than when they are single. Women are 100% responsible for the increasing average age of marriage and the increasing number of singles because they are the gatekeepers of sex and relationships.

If you think that people are having less casual sex today than in the past, you're probably wrong. According to this article, the opposite is true: people are having more casual sex than in the past, but fewer casual sex partners. It seems people today are more likely have FWBs and less likely to have one-night-stands with complete strangers. Men need a minimum level of physical attractiveness to be able to hook up with women. Getting casual sex is easy for chads, difficult for normies, and impossible for incels.

The narrative that Chads are going around banging all types of women is ridiculous. They’re not even banging that many women altogether. Go look up YouTuber, AlphaMaleStrategies. He said that at his best he was sleeping with 50-60 girls a year. That’s around 1 girl a week. And this is a dating coach who has been dating for over 20 years.

You're insane if you think that having 60 sexual partners in one year is "not many" or if this type of behavior doesn't have much of an impact on society. Plenty of women are perfectly happy to have sex only once a week with an attractive male.

When it comes to sex drive, men and women are not that far apart. Also, sex drive and relationship drive is different. Even if women had lower sex drive, it doesn’t mean that they can afford to wait around for Chad without feeling some type of way.
This couldn't be further from the truth. Women have a far lower sex drive on average than men and are twice as likely to be asexual. Lesbian couples have far less sex than gay or straight couples.

Lesbian couples are expected to seek sex less frequently than heterosexual or gay male couples.[17] Scholar Waguih William IsHak stated that although lesbian bed death lacks scientific evidence, empirical data has suggested "that women ha[ve] less sexual desire than men and are more submissive in sexual interactions".[3]

The only reason why straight couples have more sex than lesbian couples is because men in relationships are always horny and seeking out sex, even when the woman isn't really in the mood for it. Testosterone is a large part of what makes men want sex so much more than women. Men with high testosterone levels have far higher sex drives than men with low testosterone levels. Castrated males probably desire sex and intimacy as much or more than the average woman.

I’ve talked to female friends and they tell me that they get ‘those’ thoughts all the time. Increases in porn use from girls also says that they’re horny and need release too.

Men who consume porn just become even more interested in sex than they already are naturally. It doesn't cause them to have higher standards. Frequent masturbation does lower testosterone levels somewhat, but most young men were already masturbating frequently before internet porn became available. Porn just made the act a bit more enjoyable. Men are biologically programmed to have lower standards than women and watching pixels on a screen doesn't change that programming.

Female porn usage does actually make inceldom worse because it encourages women to have even more unrealistic expecations. The primary factor determining orgasm frequency in women is their partners’ physical attractiveness and masculinity. Women get extremely horny from watching porn featuring chadly men and get deluded into believing that they deserve such men as long-term partners. Just as women are much more selective when it comes to choosing partners, women are also much more selective when it comes to watching porn.

Chads aren’t even sleeping with that many women, let along sleeping with ugly women. So many people nowadays; chads, normies, incels and women are virgins. Or they have low sexual experience. Much lower than you think. Literally go outside and ask them. Tons of girls aren’t sleeping around. Studies prove it too. Tons of girls haven’t even held hands.
Most young women who claim to be virgins aren't really virgins at all. They are technical virgins, i.e sluts in denial. Men are four times more likely to end up as 40-year old virgins than women. This in spite of the fact that women have a lower sex drive and are more likely to be asexual. This figure would be even higher if it wasn't for the fact that many incels eventually visit prostitutes.

Chads who want to sleep with lots of women can easily do so. Women who have high sex drives can get all the sex they desire, and women with low sex drives can also get all the sex they desire. The only women who aren't having any sex at all are those who are asexual and those with very low sex drives who are waiting for a chadly knight in shining armor to show up and commit to them.
 
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No retard (OP) you're confusing and inverting cause and effect. Men are watching so much porn because they cant get into relationships or have sex with real women.

Inceldom is caused by female hypgeramy, economic opportunities opening for women, raising standards caused by social media and dating apps, greater access and knowledge of and to chad men due to the internet, collapse in slut and spinster shaming.

This is bluepilled nonsense, and probably a fed, leftist cuck, or femoid attempting to distract from the real cause.
 
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No retard (OP) you're confusing and inverting cause and effect. Men are watching so much porn because they cant get into relationships or have sex with real women.

Inceldom is caused by female hypgeramy, economic opportunities opening for women, raising standards caused by social media and dating apps, greater access and knowledge of and to chad men due to the internet, collapse in slut and spinster shaming.

This is bluepilled nonsense, and probably a fed, leftist cuck, or femoid attempting to distract from the real cause.
I don’t think you understood my post
 
So we're turning down and rejecting and ignoring girls then? Jfl.
 
I can't imagine what it was like... though I do get the impression women were less fussy and shallow back then. Maybe we would have ascended.
Dudes didn't even know how to build muscle back then.

Sure, Chad only has to fit the gym twice a week or less to mog normies and gymcels cus of his high T, but back then, knowledge about how to lift and diet just didn't exist.

There are many other factors, but in that regard, things were much more equal between men
 
OPs baiting is alarming.
 
See, what porn does is it numbs own into being less able to appreciate the characteristics of the opposite sex. This is why less people (males and females) are interested in romantic relationships and sex.

Studies have shown that BOTH men and women are having less sex than in the past decades.


If dating apps is the reason for incels, then how come women are having less sex now with dating apps than before? How come also there are more single young people in this generation than in previous generations?


Feminism can’t be the reason either. People point to the fact that women have their own money and don’t need men anymore. This is why they think the amount of relationships are declining. If this is true, then why are young people relationships declining? Young people were never used for money, in the 1960s or now? So explain the change.

Leads me to believe that porn is the reason. Anyone who’s done NoFap for 7+ days will tell you that girls start to look more attractive. You notice little details more and you actually want a relationship. You appreciate things like hair colour, skin tone, voice, etc. It makes you desire a partner for real.

Since so many men and women are watching porn nowadays, they’re not keen on relationships anymore and they don’t bother with them.

Retard its the opposite, inceldom has resulted in increased porn usage
 
the eternal greycel strikes again
 
Retard its the opposite, inceldom has resulted in increased porn usage
No my friend. Porn is what caused us to be less social and outgoing. We don’t have that connection anymore that people in the 90s/early 00s had. Back then people had plenty of friends. Nowadays the only friends I have are the ones I know from highschool. Many people my age are like this. I’m sure you can see it too. This generation (gen z and millennials) are struggling to make connections period.

That is why there’s an incel epidemic. It’s not that we can’t find girlfriends, it’s that we can’t find real friends altogether. Being ugly doesn’t stop you from having male friends btw. So did you ever consider that maybe your lack of intimacy is stems from the fact that you lack friends in general?

I appreciate the effort you put into your response. But I have to respectfully disagree. The heart of my rebuttal is down to the assumptions you’ve made about the dating world.
This is because more women are delaying marriage and choosing to stay single. Women have much more sex when they are in relationships than when they are single. Women are 100% responsible for the increasing average age of marriage and the increasing number of singles because they are the gatekeepers of sex and relationships.
This I agree with you besides you saying that women are 100% responsible and are the gate keepers of sex and relationships. Maybe in majority of cases, but not in most.
If you think that people are having less casual sex today than in the past, you're probably wrong. According to this article, the opposite is true: people are having more casual sex than in the past, but fewer casual sex partners. It seems people today are more likely have FWBs and less likely to have one-night-stands with complete strangers. Men need a minimum level of physical attractiveness to be able to hook up with women. Getting casual sex is easy for chads, difficult for normies, and impossible for incels.
The whole basis of inceldom is founded off the belief that most women are sleeping with the top 10-20% guys. If people are having fewer sex PARTNERS like the study stated, then how is it possible that more women are sleeping around than before?
You're insane if you think that having 60 sexual partners in one year is "not many" or if this type of behavior doesn't have much of an impact on society. Plenty of women are perfectly happy to have sex only once a week with an attractive male.
No. 60 is a lot. I’m saying that he’s tall, good-looking, has good game and actually puts effort in. So he’s really the top 1% of Tyrones when it comes to banging plenty of women. Most Chads are not like this. We jump to the conclusion that Chads are out here slaying multiple women per week from tinder and every woman out there is getting plowed by Chad everyday. It’s just not true.

To put it simply, the archetypal definition of a Chad is a tall man with good facial features and attractiveness. These guys aren’t even 10% of the population. It’s more like 2-5% of the male population and they’re not going around sleeping with everyone to create such an effect in the dating world. This philosophy had no logical nor provable basis. Yes Chads can get plenty of matches from dating apps, but that doesn’t mean they sleep with plenty of women so frequently to create a case of inceldom for the below average looking men.
This couldn't be further from the truth. Women have a far lower sex drive on average than men and are twice as likely to be asexual. Lesbian couples have far less sex than gay or straight couples.

Lesbian couples are expected to seek sex less frequently than heterosexual or gay male couples.[17] Scholar Waguih William IsHak stated that although lesbian bed death lacks scientific evidence, empirical data has suggested "that women ha[ve] less sexual desire than men and are more submissive in sexual interactions".[3]

The only reason why straight couples have more sex than lesbian couples is because men in relationships are always horny and seeking out sex, even when the woman isn't really in the mood for it. Testosterone is a large part of what makes men want sex so much more than women. Men with high testosterone levels have far higher sex drives than men with low testosterone levels. Castrated males probably desire sex and intimacy as much or more than the average woman.
I don’t believe that women have a much lower sex drive than men. The female sex drive is explored differently. If you want to say you’re blackpilled, then you can acknowledge that women are just as visual as men, if not, more visual. The reason why they can be so visual, yet no desire sex as much is because of the sensory sexual stimuli that sex provides women. It doesn’t do much for them to have a cock going in and out of their vagina for minutes. It probably wouldn’t even do much for me to go in and out of a vagina until I come. And I believe women need more than just that for them to have any interest in sex. We know that women tend to fake orgasms and not come during sex. So why would they then be so interested in it?
Men who consume porn just become even more interested in sex than they already are naturally. It doesn't cause them to have higher standards. Frequent masturbation does lower testosterone levels somewhat, but most young men were already masturbating frequently before internet porn became available. Porn just made the act a bit more enjoyable. Men are biologically programmed to have lower standards than women and watching pixels on a screen doesn't change that programming.

Female porn usage does actually make inceldom worse because it encourages women to have even more unrealistic expecations. The primary factor determining orgasm frequency in women is their partners’ physical attractiveness and masculinity. Women get extremely horny from watching porn featuring chadly men and get deluded into believing that they deserve such men as long-term partners. Just as women are much more selective when it comes to choosing partners, women are also much more selective when it comes to watching porn.
I don’t think you understand the effect porn really has. It stops us from socialising, making connections and having a radiant sexual aura that attracts people. It’s not only beneficial from an individuals perspective, but from a societal point of view.
Most young women who claim to be virgins aren't really virgins at all. They are technical virgins, i.e sluts in denial. Men are four times more likely to end up as 40-year old virgins than women. This in spite of the fact that women have a lower sex drive and are more likely to be asexual. This figure would be even higher if it wasn't for the fact that many incels eventually visit prostitutes.
There’s no reason or evidence to support the notion that most young women who claim to be virgins are lying. It’s simply untrue and is based off the underlying incel interpretation of the dating world. Step out into the real world, ask questions, get to know girls and you’ll find that many women are low n count. You may laugh at me for saying this, but it’s true. Plenty of girls haven’t had boyfriends or even sex.
Chads who want to sleep with lots of women can easily do so. Women who have high sex drives can get all the sex they desire, and women with low sex drives can also get all the sex they desire. The only women who aren't having any sex at all are those who are asexual and those with very low sex drives who are waiting for a chadly knight in shining armor to show up and commit to them.
It’s not right that this community has warped your perception of society into this sex crazed frenzy. It’s not like that. You think Chads aren’t out here making money or studying in school? Or women aren’t out there working to earn money? It’s not all about sex. People do other things with their lives man. It’s pretty low to assume that all women (except asexual women women with low sex drives) are having sex constantly. Go on the r/virgin sub to see plenty of sexless women.
 
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Technology and social media as a whole destroyed sex. Porn is one part of the equation. Boomers were jacking it to stag films and still held down a stable family unit. Normie women are now benefiting from porn by setting up only-simps accounts. Sexual and emotional attention is the currency for foids and they get it in unlimited supply thanks to technology. Attention IS sex for foids when they are not ovulating. When they are, they become chadsexual.
 
No my friend. Porn is what caused us to be less social and outgoing. We don’t have that connection anymore that people in the 90s/early 00s had. Back then people had plenty of friends. Nowadays the only friends I have are the ones I know from highschool. Many people my age are like this. I’m sure you can see it too. This generation (gen z and millennials) are struggling to make connections period.
This trend of people having fewer friends and social connections was already well underway long before the internet was invented. It has nothing to do with internet pornography or masturbation. Robert Putnam found that since about the 1960s, social interaction in the US has been gradually declining. People are less active politically besides voting; they socialize with their neighbors less; they have fewer friends; they trust both strangers and neighbors much less than they used to.

Male bonding/co-operation and male investment in offspring are what made us the apex species of this planet. And they are things women seem naturally inclined to undermine. The sexual revolution has given women free reign to dissolve the family unit and incite unbridled male competition and rivalry. In the good ole days, bars were places guys of any social status hung out after work to socialize, drink, and make friends, today they're places of simps buying women drinks and competition for pussy. It's hardly surprising that in such an environment, men have fewer friends than women.

We know women see male corporation away from female supervision as threatening, which is why they always try to destroy male spaces. I think they may also see it as insulting. We're naturally more a tournament mating species than a pair-bonding species, and so I think they have an instinctive belief that men should be locked in competition with one another for the right to mate with them. There are no more stable "packs" of 20 to 30 men who build stable, working "microsocieties" among themselves over a lifetime by being a part of a church, organisation, or a team, or an industry.

It's why female fiction is so full of love triangles and men fighting over women. Even formerly best friends will suddenly start fighting for the heroine. You very rarely see male friendship and comradery in female fiction. So I think women find male bonding to be unmasculine and vaguely insulting to women.

That is why there’s an incel epidemic. It’s not that we can’t find girlfriends, it’s that we can’t find real friends altogether. Being ugly doesn’t stop you from having male friends btw. So did you ever consider that maybe your lack of intimacy is stems from the fact that you lack friends in general?

These days you could have a friend for years only to get ghosted by your normie friend for some girl that he's known for two days. Friendships among men are becoming increasingly difficult to maintain. I don't think many people are very sympathetic of how difficult it is for men to form friendships in the modern age. There are very few places where men can gather now with out the social pressure of competing for women. It's obviously easier for attractive men to form friendships because they have already obtained sexual access and have less reason to view other men as competition.

The whole basis of inceldom is founded off the belief that most women are sleeping with the top 10-20% guys.
This just isn't true. The 80/20 rule is not the basis of inceldom. I don't know where you got that from. There are incels in all types of societies, including mongamous ones. This doesn't change the fact that women's sexual liberation has exacerbated inceldom and increased sexual inequality between men.

The whole basis of inceldom is founded off the belief that most women are sleeping with the top 10-20% guys.

As shown by the article I linked, young people today are more likely to have FWBs than to engage in one-night stands with strangers. That's why they have fewer sex partners.

Finally, somewhat more people these days (10 to 15 percent) report sex with a friend or casual date/pick-up, but they do not report more sexual partners or more frequent sex overall. This suggests there may be a modest shift toward casual sex, but it’s a tendency toward replacing some regular partners with more casual partners—not adding more partners. Also, the fact that the most frequent casual type of partner is a friend rather than acquaintance or pick-up is telling: This is more of a friends-with-benefits situation than sex with random strangers. [Source}

The 80/20 rule is not complete accurate, but it's not that far off from reality either. The best estimates currently come from GSS data, and it seems it is more like between 54/20 and 74/20 for males and between 34/20 and 63/20 for females. The 20% of men who are having 54-74% of all the sex are the Chads; they were born with attractive genes and women sexually select for them. The 20% of women who are having 34-63% of all the sex are not the Stacys; they are simply women with a high sex drive who are having lots of sex with attractive men. There is evidence that unattractive women are more promiscuous than attractive women.

No. 60 is a lot. I’m saying that he’s tall, good-looking, has good game and actually puts effort in. So he’s really the top 1% of Tyrones when it comes to banging plenty of women. Most Chads are not like this. We jump to the conclusion that Chads are out here slaying multiple women per week from tinder and every woman out there is getting plowed by Chad everyday. It’s just not true.
I have already provided evidence that 20% of men are having most of the sex. AlphaMaleStrategies looks more like a high-tier normie than a Tyrone. He's not in the top 1% of men. Of course, that doesn't mean he can't have quite a bit of success. Chadfish experiments have proven beyond doubt that decently attractive men can easily get sex from dating apps and don't need to be very charismatic.

I don’t believe that women have a much lower sex drive than men. The female sex drive is explored differently. If you want to say you’re blackpilled, then you can acknowledge that women are just as visual as men, if not, more visual. The reason why they can be so visual, yet no desire sex as much is because of the sensory sexual stimuli that sex provides women. It doesn’t do much for them to have a cock going in and out of their vagina for minutes. It probably wouldn’t even do much for me to go in and out of a vagina until I come. And I believe women need more than just that for them to have any interest in sex. We know that women tend to fake orgasms and not come during sex. So why would they then be so interested in it?

We know that men have higher sex drive because of hormones. We can see this in male-to-female transsexuals, or testosterone therapy. We also know that lesbian couples have less sex than straight couples and that straight couples have less sex than gay couples. In addition to Schwartz's survey, another study concluded that the female sex drive greatly diminishes once a woman is in a secure relationship. The idea that women have the same sex drive as men is completely ridiculous. If that were true, straight couples would be having as much sex as gay couples. It's not as if straight men have less desire for sex than gay men.

And I believe women need more than just that for them to have any interest in sex. We know that women tend to fake orgasms and not come during sex. So why would they then be so interested in it?

I never claimed that women are asexual, just that they have significantly lower sex drive. They're obviously interested in having sex with attractive men. Women need clitoral stimulation to orgasm when they're having sex with men who aren't attractive enough to give them vaginal orgasms. But unlike men, women can still enjoy sex even when they don't orgasm. Almost every man knows that women want more than just intercourse. Women will settle for average guys if they have a sufficient amount of money or social status. But they have a lower sex drive than men.

I don’t think you understand the effect porn really has. It stops us from socialising, making connections and having a radiant sexual aura that attracts people. It’s not only beneficial from an individuals perspective, but from a societal point of view.
If you think internet porn is causing men to become less attractive, you need to prove that young men are masturbating significantly more frequently you than they did in the 1980s and 1980s. It doesn't make any difference what type of material you masturbate to. If men today aren't masturbating more than they did back then, there is no way internet porn could have those effects.

There’s no reason or evidence to support the notion that most young women who claim to be virgins are lying. It’s simply untrue and is based off the underlying incel interpretation of the dating world. Step out into the real world, ask questions, get to know girls and you’ll find that many women are low n count. You may laugh at me for saying this, but it’s true. Plenty of girls haven’t had boyfriends or even sex.
Most young women don't consider oral sex or mutual masturbation to count as sex. So yes, some of them are lying. Others just have a low sex drive and high standards. There just aren't anywhere near as many female virgins as there are male virgins.

It’s pretty low to assume that all women (except asexual women women with low sex drives) are having sex constantly. Go on the r/virgin sub to see plenty of sexless women.
The gender ratio of that subreddit actually proves my point. 85% of its users are males and only 15% are females. Most women who are virgins are perfectly happy about being virgins.
 
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As an oldcel who remembers life before cell phones, I gotta weigh in here.
Smartphones is where it all went to hell...absolutely.
 
No my friend. Porn is what caused us to be less social and outgoing

Speak for yourself, you are probably one of those guys that never approached and you are making excuses to rationalize your failure, I was out going (just not with approaching anymore after years of failure), I still am in other aspects, I just could never get a date

Also how do you explain all the failure of outgoing men before we all started to masturbate?

How do you explain the men who weren't outgoing to begin with, even before they ever masturbated?

Your entire theory makes no sense at all, you are projecting

Everybody at my place of work thinks I'm a normie, thinks I've dated, considers me a "funny guy" and wants to hang out, etc (none of the women will fuck me though lol, well they all have boyfriends anyway, but still even if they didn't they wouldn't date me)

You are making excuses for yourself and blaming porn

If anything everything I see in porn makes me want to have sex even more, I just stopped wasting my time trying to get it through dating, and started fucking prostitutes, and wealthmaxxing so I can enjoy it more in the future, so no, I don't get your logic at all, increased exposure to a "bootleg version" of something you want (porn), WILL MAKE YOU WANT THE ORIGINAL MORE (sex), because you'll always think "if the bootleg is this good, then the original must be amazing"

Porn if anything amplified my libido and made me approach more and try to get a date more

The guys who settle for porn would never have put in much effort anyways if porn didn't exist, I don't see how in the fuck any man can wake up every day and watch porn, and not be desperate to finally fuck a woman and feel it for himself
 
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why does this have 2k views
 
Bruh this "Hurhurhur greycel retard" self-proclaimed geniuses because they spend 5000 posts talking about stupid shit is weak, especially from certain users. As with every advice you get: If you look like Quasimodo, smell like dogshit or you act like a sperg everywhere you go: then no, nofap won't help you get laid. But OBVIOUSLY there is an element of truth in that it would improve our chances if porn didn't exist.

The fact that kikes own the porn industry should raise a huge red flag for everyone here (except ethnics you guys can keep watching porn).
 
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This trend of people having fewer friends and social connections was already well underway long before the internet was invented. It has nothing to do with internet pornography or masturbation. Robert Putnam found that since about the 1960s, social interaction in the US has been gradually declining. People are less active politically besides voting; they socialize with their neighbors less; they have fewer friends; they trust both strangers and neighbors much less than they used to.
Just because the decline in social interactions has been continued from the much earlier decades, doesn't mean that porn or masturbation hasn't had an effect at all. This trend has in fact been exacerbated due to the high accessibility of internet pornography and internet use in general. This can be examined by looking at a UCLA national survey started in 1987 showing that the decline in real-life interactions with each other has accelerated from around 2004. Figure 6, pg 6.

Male bonding/co-operation and male investment in offspring are what made us the apex species of this planet. And they are things women seem naturally inclined to undermine. The sexual revolution has given women free reign to dissolve the family unit and incite unbridled male competition and rivalry. In the good ole days, bars were places guys of any social status hung out after work to socialize, drink, and make friends, today they're places of simps buying women drinks and competition for pussy. It's hardly surprising that in such an environment, men have fewer friends than women.

We know women see male corporation away from female supervision as threatening, which is why they always try to destroy male spaces. I think they may also see it as insulting. We're naturally more a tournament mating species than a pair-bonding species, and so I think they have an instinctive belief that men should be locked in competition with one another for the right to mate with them. There are no more stable "packs" of 20 to 30 men who build stable, working "microsocieties" among themselves over a lifetime by being a part of a church, organisation, or a team, or an industry.

It's why female fiction is so full of love triangles and men fighting over women. Even formerly best friends will suddenly start fighting for the heroine. You very rarely see male friendship and comradery in female fiction. So I think women find male bonding to be unmasculine and vaguely insulting to women.
I believe this to be UNTRUE. It's a big leap to say that a sexual revolution has created areas of hostility and ambiguity among men. It may be probable in a clubbing or dating scene where women aren't seen as property and now men have to step up to win women over. But it doesn't provide a probable answer at to why men are having less friends outside of these venues. Friends in uni, work, gym, etc are harder to make.

Social anxiety is to blame along with social media replacing face-to-face interactions. Social anxiety has been long rumoured among those who do NoFap to mitigate or even disappear during a long streak. Streak meaning days without PMO (Porn, Masturbation & Orgasm). Many over in the NoFap forum have said this.

An article created by GroupTherapy listed the signs of low dopamine. Low dopamine can be caused through the overstimulation of the brain from alcohol, drugs and porn. The symptoms reported from having low dopamine were:
  • Depression
  • Problems with motivation or concentration
  • Working memory issues, such as difficulty remembering the first part of a sentence a person just spoke
  • Restless leg syndrome
  • Shaking hands or other tremors
  • Changes in coordination
  • Low sex drive
  • Inability to feel pleasure from previously enjoyed activities
These are also the same feelings experiences by those with a porn/masturbation addiction who then start NoFap. Once on a streak, you start to experience benefits and see these symptoms go away. The results of those who do NoFap are the following:

  1. Rock-Solid Confidence
  2. Endless Motivation and Willpower
  3. You become a Productive Monster
  4. Boost in Testosterone Levels
  5. Legit Libido
  6. Renewed Interest in little things
  7. No More Erectile Dysfunction
  8. Crystal Clear Thinking
  9. Kills Premature Ejaculation
  10. Do Better in GYM
  11. Women Start to Notice you More
As you can see, a-lot of these benefits overlap with the symptoms given before. It's not by coincidence. Also the female attraction benefit of NoFap is 100% real. The reason why some people don't feel it is because they're not sexually charged during NoFap. You need to have a high libido during your streak and be channeling your sexual energy away from your nuts in order to experience the benefits. You won't get the benefits to the full extent if you just sit there without any charge and sexual vigor. If you're not horny then you're not becoming more sensitive to dopamine in the process.

Some incels will do NoFap for months without benefits and think NoFap is BS. It's not. It's because they weren't building up their sex drive in the process. They just had low libido. Ofcourse its not going to work if you're not struggling atleast a little bit.

Build up sex drive through good lifestyle + hold it in with NoFap = Benefits. Radiating energy.

You need to really try NoFap for 7-14 days while eating meat, protein, lifting heavy at the gym (especially legs), sleeping 7+ hours, etc. Trust me you'll feel the difference. But of course you have to get out of your house to SEE the benefits.

These days you could have a friend for years only to get ghosted by your normie friend for some girl that he's known for two days. Friendships among men are becoming increasingly difficult to maintain. I don't think many people are very sympathetic of how difficult it is for men to form friendships in the modern age. There are very few places where men can gather now with out the social pressure of competing for women. It's obviously easier for attractive men to form friendships because they have already obtained sexual access and have less reason to view other men as competition.


This just isn't true. The 80/20 rule is not the basis of inceldom. I don't know where you got that from. There are incels in all types of societies, including mongamous ones. This doesn't change the fact that women's sexual liberation has exacerbated inceldom and increased sexual inequality between men.
Perhaps the 80/20 rule doesn't apply to all groups. However, women's sexual liberation has NOT increased inceldom. Obviously, men with good looks have always done better with women than ugly men have. This hasn't changed, but the whole idea of incels now came about in the past years due to an increase in single, frustrated men. We like to believe that normies and chads are getting sex while we rot here alone. It's not true. Normies, chads, incels, women, stacies, whatever are ALL having less sex. Women are not having as much sex as you'd like to believe. Just because they can, doesn't mean they are.

I'll keep saying this if I have to.. and I'm sorry to tell you this, but if we agree on one thing, its that this whole dating system is wrong. What we've been taught by the incel community. This community believes:

-Most (if not all) Chads are sleeping with new women every week.
-Women are banging a new hot guy from tinder every week.
-Ugly women and average women are getting sex from good looking guys too.
-Ugly women can get hot guys, so why should she settle with you.
-There are no female virgins and they just lie about being pure.

This philosophy is untrue and completely made up. There's no proof this is actually happening to the extent that we say it is.

The dating world is MORE like THIS:

-Top 1-2% slayer chads are getting sex with their plates (if you will) every week.
-The next 8-9% of men (chads) have gfs, have a fwb or are banging a new girl every few months.
-'Normies' are the majority and most are single and some have girlfriends who they're betabuxxing.
-Incels can't get anything.
-Stacies (top 20%) are having sex weekly with their boyfriends or an fwb.
-Beckies, or regular women are having little to no sex, or have an fwb.

AMS said that he got tired of banging 60 women a year and had to stick to rotating through a handful of women. Just imagine having sex with a new girl every week. No matter how many matches you get on Tinder, that is WORK to sleep with that many women. You gotta swipe on them, you gotta message them, you gotta chat, you gotta date them, then you gotta invite them over and then sleep with them. Then after that you gotta do it all again for another girl. That's work man. Most chads just stick to a rotation or just a fuckbuddy. Because of this, there's no way that every girl out there is sleeping with chad. All incels do is pull up tiktoks of thirsty girls lusting over chad and then assume all girls are like that while calling the virgin girls liars. It's not true man. There's a decent amount of virgin girls out there and lots of low n-count women.

As shown by the article I linked, young people today are more likely to have FWBs than to engage in one-night stands with strangers. That's why they have fewer sex partners.

Finally, somewhat more people these days (10 to 15 percent) report sex with a friend or casual date/pick-up, but they do not report more sexual partners or more frequent sex overall. This suggests there may be a modest shift toward casual sex, but it’s a tendency toward replacing some regular partners with more casual partners—not adding more partners. Also, the fact that the most frequent casual type of partner is a friend rather than acquaintance or pick-up is telling: This is more of a friends-with-benefits situation than sex with random strangers. [Source}

The 80/20 rule is not complete accurate, but it's not that far off from reality either. The best estimates currently come from GSS data, and it seems it is more like between 54/20 and 74/20 for males and between 34/20 and 63/20 for females. The 20% of men who are having 54-74% of all the sex are the Chads; they were born with attractive genes and women sexually select for them. The 20% of women who are having 34-63% of all the sex are not the Stacys; they are simply women with a high sex drive who are having lots of sex with attractive men. There is evidence that unattractive women are more promiscuous than attractive women.


I have already provided evidence that 20% of men are having most of the sex. AlphaMaleStrategies looks more like a high-tier normie than a Tyrone. He's not in the top 1% of men. Of course, that doesn't mean he can't have quite a bit of success. Chadfish experiments have proven beyond doubt that decently attractive men can easily get sex from dating apps and don't need to be very charismatic.



We know that men have higher sex drive because of hormones. We can see this in male-to-female transsexuals, or testosterone therapy. We also know that lesbian couples have less sex than straight couples and that straight couples have less sex than gay couples. In addition to Schwartz's survey, another study concluded that the female sex drive greatly diminishes once a woman is in a secure relationship. The idea that women have the same sex drive as men is completely ridiculous. If that were true, straight couples would be having as much sex as gay couples. It's not as if straight men have less desire for sex than gay men.
One moment its women have way lower sex drives, the next moments its women are always sleeping with chad non-stop.

I never claimed that women are asexual, just that they have significantly lower sex drive. They're obviously interested in having sex with attractive men. Women need clitoral stimulation to orgasm when they're having sex with men who aren't attractive enough to give them vaginal orgasms. But unlike men, women can still enjoy sex even when they don't orgasm. Almost every man knows that women want more than just intercourse. Women will settle for average guys if they have a sufficient amount of money or social status. But they have a lower sex drive than men.


If you think internet porn is causing men to become less attractive, you need to prove that young men are masturbating significantly more frequently you than they did in the 1980s and 1980s. It doesn't make any difference what type of material you masturbate to. If men today aren't masturbating more than they did back then, there is no way internet porn could have those effects.
It does make an effect what type of material it is. It increases your dopamine spike more if you masturbate to pornographic material compared to cooming to magazine covers back in the day. Its also a-lot easier to access than before which means that people are more likely become addicted to masturbation as they have endless stimuli to masturbate to. It's not just that porn causes men to be less attractive, but fucks up society's drive to pursue each other romantically with porn being in the way. If porn suddenly stopped existing, both men and women would find a way to connect better and see each other for more than our bodies.

"If you want to destroy a nation without war, make adultery or nudity common in the young generation" - Salahuddin Ayyubi, Liberator of Jerusalem 12th Century CE


Most young women don't consider oral sex or mutual masturbation to count as sex. So yes, some of them are lying. Others just have a low sex drive and high standards. There just aren't anywhere near as many female virgins as there are male virgins.
Some do, some don't. In the video titled "Do all virgins think the same" made by Jubilee, when asked the 1st question, "does oral sex count as losing your virginity", two of the female respondents disagreed while the other two agreed that oral sex counts. I also know girls in real life that are strangers to blowjobs and handjobs.

The gender ratio of that subreddit actually proves my point. 85% of its users are males and only 15% are females. Most women who are virgins are perfectly happy about being virgins.
Fair enough.
 
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People say that this is a cope, a lie even, that is not true.

5 days after quitting porn I grew to become a blonde, 6’ 4”, athletic chad with chiseled jawline. Shills will say that Im lying but it’s the truth 100%.
 
Just because the decline in social interactions has been continued from the much earlier decades, doesn't mean that porn or masturbation hasn't had an effect at all. This trend has in fact been exacerbated due to the high accessibility of internet pornography and internet use in general. This can be examined by looking at a UCLA national survey started in 1987 showing that the decline in real-life interactions with each other has accelerated from around 2004. Figure 6, pg 6.

Internet use is actually slightly higher among women than men. Social ability is mostly instinctive and genetic and doesn't become significantly impaired as a result of reduced face-to-face interactions. Children who play video games are more socially competent on average than children who don't. If both sexes are spending more time on the internet and much less time socializing in real-life, that means that there are fewer opportunities for men to meet women in the real world, and more opportunities on the internet.

It's not surprising that online dating, which greatly benefits women and attractive men, is becoming more popular every year. Between 1995 and 2017 the number of heterosexuals who met their partner on the internet rose from 2 percent to 39 percent. If men stopped indulging in online entertainment and went out more, that would make the dating even more competitive than it already is. Why? Because single women have no reason to do the same thing. There are plenty of opportunities for them to meet attractive men through social media and dating apps.


I believe this to be UNTRUE. It's a big leap to say that a sexual revolution has created areas of hostility and ambiguity among men. It may be probable in a clubbing or dating scene where women aren't seen as property and now men have to step up to win women over. But it doesn't provide a probable answer at to why men are having less friends outside of these venues. Friends in uni, work, gym, etc are harder to make.

It's actually the most obvious explanation. It satisfies Occam's razor. The proportion of women in public life has been increasing for a long time. People have always had more same-sex friends than other-sex friends, so if you want to create more opportunities for male friendships to occur, bring back sex-segregated workplaces and schools. Boys in single sex schools have more friends than boys in mixed-sex schools. Just as women are more selective in choosing mates, they're also more selective in choosing friends. Most incels have or have had male friends, but aren't attractive enough to have platonic friendships with women.

In college, competition for women is cutthroat. A lot of average girls in HS become "sexually liberal" in college and sleep around with attractive men before eventually settling for a betabuxx.


Social anxiety is to blame along with social media replacing face-to-face interactions. Social anxiety has been long rumoured among those who do NoFap to mitigate or even disappear during a long streak. Streak meaning days without PMO (Porn, Masturbation & Orgasm). Many over in the NoFap forum have said this.

An article created by GroupTherapy listed the signs of low dopamine. Low dopamine can be caused through the overstimulation of the brain from alcohol, drugs and porn. The symptoms reported from having low dopamine were:
  • Depression
  • Problems with motivation or concentration
  • Working memory issues, such as difficulty remembering the first part of a sentence a person just spoke
  • Restless leg syndrome
  • Shaking hands or other tremors
  • Changes in coordination
  • Low sex drive
  • Inability to feel pleasure from previously enjoyed activities
These are also the same feelings experiences by those with a porn/masturbation addiction who then start NoFap. Once on a streak, you start to experience benefits and see these symptoms go away. The results of those who do NoFap are the following:

  1. Rock-Solid Confidence
  2. Endless Motivation and Willpower
  3. You become a Productive Monster
  4. Boost in Testosterone Levels
  5. Legit Libido
  6. Renewed Interest in little things
  7. No More Erectile Dysfunction
  8. Crystal Clear Thinking
  9. Kills Premature Ejaculation
  10. Do Better in GYM
  11. Women Start to Notice you More
As you can see, a-lot of these benefits overlap with the symptoms given before. It's not by coincidence. Also the female attraction benefit of NoFap is 100% real. The reason why some people don't feel it is because they're not sexually charged during NoFap. You need to have a high libido during your streak and be channeling your sexual energy away from your nuts in order to experience the benefits. You won't get the benefits to the full extent if you just sit there without any charge and sexual vigor. If you're not horny then you're not becoming more sensitive to dopamine in the process.

Some incels will do NoFap for months without benefits and think NoFap is BS. It's not. It's because they weren't building up their sex drive in the process. They just had low libido. Ofcourse its not going to work if you're not struggling atleast a little bit.

Build up sex drive through good lifestyle + hold it in with NoFap = Benefits. Radiating energy.

You need to really try NoFap for 7-14 days while eating meat, protein, lifting heavy at the gym (especially legs), sleeping 7+ hours, etc. Trust me you'll feel the difference. But of course you have to get out of your house to SEE the benefits.

Porn addiction is probably not a real thing. You can look that up and find a myriad of psychological journals discrediting anyone who claims it is real. People who feel they can’t stop looking at porn generally have low impulse control or high libido. There is no evidence that men who masturbate to magazines or music videos are in a significantly less dopamine depleted state than consumers of internet porn. There is also no evidence that men today masturbate more often than they did in the 1980s or 1980s when society was already very sexualized and men were getting turned on by hot women all the time.

-Stacies (top 20%) are having sex weekly with their boyfriends or an fwb.
-Beckies, or regular women are having little to no sex, or have an fwb.

Casual dating is just as easy for Beckies as it is for Stacys. If you doubt this, make a fake dating profile on OkCupid or Tinder using the picture of an average-looking woman. Both Beckies and Stacys can easily get very attractive men as FWBs or hookup partners. It's just that Becky might have to lower her standards and settle for a normie if she wants a relationship, especially if she is no longer in her prime.

However, women's sexual liberation has NOT increased inceldom. Obviously, men with good looks have always done better with women than ugly men have. This hasn't changed, but the whole idea of incels now came about in the past years due to an increase in single, frustrated men.

There are no statistics that keep track of the number of incels, but there is a great deal of circumstancial evidence that hypergamy has been getting worse since the beginning of the sexual revolution. There are far more men today who have never married than there were before before the sexual revolution. The male suicide rate, which is strongly correlated with loneliness and social isolation, has increased significantly since the 1960s. In Norway, which is one the few countries where detailed statistics have been kept on male childlessness, for the cohort of men born in 1950, 14.8 percent did not have children at the age of 45. For men born in 1971, 23.7 percent were childless at the same age. 29.5 percent of men born in 1976 were childless at the age of forty; up from 16.3. The corresponding figures for women at the age of 45 are only 8.4 and 15.2 percent, respectively. This massive increase in male childlessness is consistent with the idea that women's sexual liberation has exacerbated hypergamy.

We like to believe that normies and chads are getting sex while we rot here alone. It's not true. Normies, chads, incels, women, stacies, whatever are ALL having less sex. Women are not having as much sex as you'd like to believe. Just because they can, doesn't mean they are.

More than at any time in the past, women are having as much sex as they want to have. A lot of women only really want to have sex when they are ovulating. Straight women in relationships often have more sex than they naturally desire just to satisfy their boyfriends who are constantly horny. Now that fewer women than ever are married or in relationships, it's only to be expected that they wouldn't be having as much sex.

As Roy Baumeister has shown, sex is a female resource that women give out sparingly and only to men who meet certain attractiveness requirements. If it wasn't, straight men who are single or in relationships would be having as much sex on average as gay men.
One moment its women have way lower sex drives, the next moments its women are always sleeping with chad non-stop.

Most young women are sleeping around with attractive men, but not non-stop. They also share such men among each other through serial monogamy. A woman who has "only" had 5 casual sex partners in here life isn't any less of a whore than woman who has had 60; she just has a lower sex drive and/or less of a desire for variety. Just because women have a lower sex drive than men on average, doesn't mean that there aren't SOME women with a high sex drive, just as there are some men with a low sex drive. The 20% of women who, according to GSS data, are having 34-63% of all the sex probably have a sex drive similar to that of the average man. If the average man had as many opportunities for sex as those women, he would be having just as much or more sex as they are having. But most women are not like that.
 
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Good points. But since I don’t want to debate forever, I have some questions that cover some of my rebuttals.

1. If most women are sleeping around with attractive men, then why do studies claim that both males and females are having less sex in the past years? Obviously, the internet wasn’t there back in the 1980s and 1990s to allow for them to match with Chad online. So women clearly weren’t getting lots of sex with Chads then. And now, the amount of sex women are having is even lower with less sex partners. I linked the sources in my original post btw.

2. How much do you desire a relationship with a girl right now? On a scale of 1-10.

3. Do you think the high male suicide rate is mainly due to loneliness and isolation, OR from the hardships that come with being a man in general? Things like divorce, bills, socially unacceptable to express emotion, poor socioeconomic class, PTSD, being an outcast, etc
 
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1. If most women are sleeping around with attractive men, then why do studies claim that both males and females are having less sex in the past years? Obviously, the internet wasn’t there back in the 1980s and 1990s to allow for them to match with Chad online. So women clearly weren’t getting lots of sex with Chads then. And now, the amount of sex women are having is even lower with less sex partners. I linked the sources in my original post btw.

What your post shows is that 28% of men aged 18-30 haven’t had sex in the past year — while only 18% of women aged 18-30 haven’t had sex in the past year. It's safe to assume that the majority of young men who aren't having sex do want to have sex. But I can't make that same assumption about the women. It's likely that most or all of them are celibate by choice and that they are well-aware that they can easily get sex and relationships if they want.

The average age of marriage has been trending up for a long time and more young women are single today than ever before, so there is less social pressure on young women to date or get married. It's also the case that young women spend more time than ever in education. There is a demographic of women who seldom feel sexual desire, regardless of whether they're single or in committed relationships. Among college students, far more women (19%) than men (2%) say that they "never felt that they wanted or needed sex" (source).

In past decades, women like that often got into relationships at a young age and made their partners wait a long time before giving them sex.

In a large Australian sample, McCabe (1987) found that the category of people who were in a committed relationship, who wanted to have sex, but who were not having sex, consisted almost entirely of men. For example, among 25-year-olds, 28% of men but only 2% of women were in this category of ‘reluctant virgins.

These days, those types of women are more likely to stay single for the long-term instead of settling for someone who might not meet all of their requirements. And they have no reason to engage in casual sex.

Obviously, the internet wasn’t there back in the 1980s and 1990s to allow for them to match with Chad online.

If 20% of men are Chads, while certainly not the majority they're not exactly "rare" either, so women should be running into them at least somewhat frequently. Chadlites and high-tier normies can also have quite a bit of success with women if they play their cards right, and even normies can sometimes be perceived as physically attractive by women because there is an element of subjectivity to attractiveness. Young women were having plenty of casual sex in the 1980s and 1990s. Online dating made dating even easier for them than it already was.

According to this study, men born in the 1930s had the most sex. Every subsequent generation has seen a decline in sexual frequency. The more sexual options women have and the less dependent they are on men for provision and protection, the less sex they give out.

2. How much do you desire a relationship with a girl right now? On a scale of 1-10.
10-10.

Do you think the high male suicide rate is mainly due to loneliness and isolation, OR from the hardships that come with being a man in general? Things like divorce, bills, socially unacceptable to express emotion, poor socioeconomic class, PTSD, being an outcast, etc

Male suicide seem to be mainly driven by loneliness, divorces and lack of intimate relationships.
 
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What your post shows is that 28% of men aged 18-30 haven’t had sex in the past year — while only 18% of women aged 18-30 haven’t had sex in the past year. It's safe to assume that the majority of young men who aren't having sex do want to have sex. But I can't make that same assumption about the women. It's likely that most or all of them are celibate by choice and that they are well-aware that they can easily get sex and relationships if they want.

The average age of marriage has been trending up for a long time and more young women are single today than ever before, so there is less social pressure on young women to date or get married. It's also the case that young women spend more time than ever in education. There is a demographic of women who seldom feel sexual desire, regardless of whether they're single or in committed relationships. Among college students, far more women (19%) than men (2%) say that they "never felt that they wanted or needed sex" (source).

In past decades, women like that often got into relationships at a young age and made their partners wait a long time before giving them sex.

In a large Australian sample, McCabe (1987) found that the category of people who were in a committed relationship, who wanted to have sex, but who were not having sex, consisted almost entirely of men. For example, among 25-year-olds, 28% of men but only 2% of women were in this category of ‘reluctant virgins.

These days, those types of women are more likely to stay single for the long-term instead of settling for someone who might not meet all of their requirements. And they have no reason to engage in casual sex.



If 20% of men are Chads, while certainly not the majority they're not exactly "rare" either, so women should be running into them at least somewhat frequently. Chadlites and high-tier normies can also have quite a bit of success with women if they play their cards right, and even normies can sometimes be perceived as physically attractive by women because there is an element of subjectivity to attractiveness. Young women were having plenty of casual sex in the 1980s and 1990s. Online dating made dating even easier for them than it already was.

According to this study, men born in the 1930s had the most sex. Every subsequent generation has seen a decline in sexual frequency. The more sexual options women have and the less dependent they are on men for provision and protection, the less sex they give out.
So you believe that women lack the drive and reason to engage in sexual relations with other men, and this is why we are able to see a decline in total sex partners, right?

Well if you believe this, shouldn’t you retire the view that all women are sleeping around and that most self-proclaimed virgin women are liars?

Women have lesser of a reason to participate in casual sex because of various reasons. Some of which you mentioned being their sexual liberation, decreasing social pressure, low sex drive. You can’t say this an then continue to instil a worldview that idealises sex in women’s mind.

Also, how can you be reluctant to include porn in the reasoning for the decrease in women’s romantic and sexual endeavours.

Porn addiction, which you somehow believe doesn’t exist, has been linked to finding your partner less attractive. Even so, it distorts the perception of beauty in the eyes of both men and women. Porn also provides instant access to attractive members of the opposite sex without much work. Porn provides us with exactly the right type of sexual visuals and experiences that we want. Knowing that sex for guys is merely thrusting in and out of a vagina for minutes while lying on top of her, it appeals to be incredibly underwhelming especially when porn is two clicks away. The same goes for women too.


Male suicide seem to be mainly driven by loneliness, divorces and lack of intimate relationships.
No. Those are not the main factors (besides divorce). You think inceldom and loneliness is bad? It is. But it’s nowhere near as bad as being subjected to live on the street because you can’t pay your bills. It’s not as bad as having PTSD about losing a family member. This is what some suicidal men go through, so let’s not try to equate our suffering to theirs simply because we’re incels.

Research by the Australian Institute of Suicide Research and Prevention found that almost half of male suicides are linked with relationship issues, one in 20 are linked to child custody issues, one in 10 to pending legal matters.
 
While I agree with Nofap, porn is not the cause of inceldom.

It's the opposite retard. Inceldom brings porn usage

Very low iq thread. Porn is just a cope for incels as a result of being involuntary celibate.

GrAYcel thread. We are not incels because we don't find foids attractive. We are incels because FOIDS don't find US attractive.

OP is a retard.
 
No. Porn usage is a symptom of people having less sex. This society has been turned upside down.

Saludos Amigo. That is where your logic is flaw, women sexual drive is not as big as men's drive. Saying that women have the same urges regarding sex as men, is an utter lie. pure blue pill bullshit. You can't find much about this online because of the current PC environment but is the truth.
In XIX century one medical man after analyzing prostitutes concluded what they sell their bodies for money, not for sexual pleasure. Personally I think women can lust only after certain men ( well-built and good looking ) just as men don't masturbate to images of ugly women.
 
Just because the decline in social interactions has been continued from the much earlier decades, doesn't mean that porn or masturbation hasn't had an effect at all. This trend has in fact been exacerbated due to the high accessibility of internet pornography and internet use in general. This can be examined by looking at a UCLA national survey started in 1987 showing that the decline in real-life interactions with each other has accelerated from around 2004. Figure 6, pg 6.


I believe this to be UNTRUE. It's a big leap to say that a sexual revolution has created areas of hostility and ambiguity among men. It may be probable in a clubbing or dating scene where women aren't seen as property and now men have to step up to win women over. But it doesn't provide a probable answer at to why men are having less friends outside of these venues. Friends in uni, work, gym, etc are harder to make.

Social anxiety is to blame along with social media replacing face-to-face interactions. Social anxiety has been long rumoured among those who do NoFap to mitigate or even disappear during a long streak. Streak meaning days without PMO (Porn, Masturbation & Orgasm). Many over in the NoFap forum have said this.

An article created by GroupTherapy listed the signs of low dopamine. Low dopamine can be caused through the overstimulation of the brain from alcohol, drugs and porn. The symptoms reported from having low dopamine were:
  • Depression
  • Problems with motivation or concentration
  • Working memory issues, such as difficulty remembering the first part of a sentence a person just spoke
  • Restless leg syndrome
  • Shaking hands or other tremors
  • Changes in coordination
  • Low sex drive
  • Inability to feel pleasure from previously enjoyed activities
These are also the same feelings experiences by those with a porn/masturbation addiction who then start NoFap. Once on a streak, you start to experience benefits and see these symptoms go away.
Dude, I believe masturbation is harmful and shameful ( I'm still struggle with this addiction ). Also, many No-fap benefits are real ( increased energy, better memory etc ). However, No-fap is not miracle. My longest No-fap streak was almost 5 years ( yes, 5 years ). And I was still socially awkward and never approached a girls because i'm ugly, skinny with very poor eyesight. After 2 years of No-fap I once heard girls laughing 'he's so ugly'. Yeah, 'magnet for chicks', 'women strart noticing you' - All LIES.
 
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Studies have shown that BOTH men and women are having less sex than in the past decades.

women lie, especially to themselves, on what is considered sex. If the guy comes in her mouth, has anal, jacks him off, penis too small, came too fast, not chad enough or too ethnic that she is embarrassed to tell her friends
then it doesn't count for her. Or if the sex was for other reasons than for fun or love such as for a raise, promotion, rent/housing, money etc then she also doesn't count it as getting laid since she just spreads her legs

How foids think:
View: https://youtu.be/3je_CPNWYKE?t=20s
 
So you believe that women lack the drive and reason to engage in sexual relations with other men, and this is why we are able to see a decline in total sex partners, right?

Most women want to have sex regularly, but some don't. Those who don't are the ones who haven't had sex in the past year.

Relationships benefit men more than they benefit women because most men can't easily get sex outside of relationships. Decreased stress, increased life expectancy, improved job prospects, that kind of thing. Women see the opposite. So it's not suprising that the demographic of women who feel little desire for sex are increasingly choosing to refrain from both casual sex and relationships.

To repeat what I've said earlier: more than at any time in the past, women are having as much sex as they want to have. The same is not true for men, obviously. Most women have had casual sex and/or been in relationships with attractive men, but not all of them. Any non-monogamous sexual behavior that women engage in, including living in serial monogamy with attractive men, makes dating harder for average and especially below average men.

Women have lesser of a reason to participate in casual sex because of various reasons. Some of which you mentioned being their sexual liberation, decreasing social pressure, low sex drive. You can’t say this an then continue to instil a worldview that idealises sex in women’s mind.

Women's liberation has not made women less interested in casual sex. To the contrary, it's made women more promiscuous than they used to be, increased sexual inequality between men, and unleashed female hypergamy, which is corrosive to social cohesion. The average young man today has had sex far less often than the average young man in the 1950s. Every single generation after the Silent Generation has seen a decline in sexual frequency.

Individually women use their sexuality to get a free pass in life. Their sexuality is literally monetizable and gets them male attention with little to no effort or commitment on their part. Being female gets them access to programs, admissions, scholarships, loans and other benefits that are blocked from men specifically based on gender. Women's biological imperative is to extract as many resources from men as possible, and women instinctively reward men with attractive genes with love and affection.

Well if you believe this, shouldn’t you retire the view that all women are sleeping around and that most self-proclaimed virgin women are liars?

Women have rational reasons to downplay their sexual history and lie about their virginity, so it isn't suprising that research shows that they do both. Only 1 out of every 333 women ends up as a 40-year old virgin.

Attractive men are good at convincing women to give them sex. So good that even most lesbian and asexual women have had heterosexual intercourse at least once in their lives, in spite of not being attracted to men at all, whereas the majority of gay men have never had sex with women. Even lesbian women subconciously desire good genes and might sexually submit to attractive men on rare occasions. But that doesn't mean they are doing so on a regular basis. Similarly, women with a low sex drive may well go for years or decades without ever wanting to have sex.

Also, how can you be reluctant to include porn in the reasoning for the decrease in women’s romantic and sexual endeavours.

It seems that men who consume lots of porn are more, rather than less, likely to be sexually active than men who consume less porn.

"We were able to test two other possible explanations for lower sexual frequency in recent years: Longer working hours and the increased use of pornography (which might provide an alternative sexual outlet). First, working hours among those who were employed, r(17,191) = .08, p < .001, and pornography use, r(15,705) = .20, p < .001, were both positively, not negatively, correlated with sexual frequency. This was true even when age was controlled, r(17,167) = .09, p < .001, for working hours, and r(15,677) = .10, p < .001, for pornography use. In addition, those who worked full-time had sex more frequently than those who worked parttime or not at all (see Tables 1 and 2). When matched by year, sexual frequency was higher in years with a higher average number of working hours and more pornography use, though the the correlations were not significant given the low number of years, r(13)=.40, and pornography use (13)= .33. Thus, it does not appear that the decline in sexual frequency was due to longer working hours or to more people viewing pornography. If anything, these factors were connected to higher sexual frequency" (Source)


Knowing that sex for guys is merely thrusting in and out of a vagina for minutes while lying on top of her, it appeals to be incredibly underwhelming especially when porn is two clicks away.

This sounds like something a woman who has only slept with antisocial guys would say. It's competely untrue. Most men want their partners to have an
enjoyable experience. Men are often as concerned with pleasing their partners as they are concerned with their own pleasure. It's women who tend to just lie down and expect their partners to do all the work.


No. Those are not the main factors (besides divorce). You think inceldom and loneliness is bad? It is. But it’s nowhere near as bad as being subjected to live on the street because you can’t pay your bills. It’s not as bad as having PTSD about losing a family member. This is what some suicidal men go through, so let’s not try to equate our suffering to theirs simply because we’re incels.

Research by the Australian Institute of Suicide Research and Prevention found that almost half of male suicides are linked with relationship issues, one in 20 are linked to child custody issues, one in 10 to pending legal matters.

Inceldom is a chronic state of suffering that lasts from youth to old age. Many male suicide victims were happy and well-adjusted members of society before a traumatic event drove them to commit suicide. The experience of losing a close relative is more traumatizing for incels than for normies who have a wife/girlfriend and/or children to help them through the pain. "Relationship issues" is probably a euphemism for divorce and the loneliness and depresion that it causes.

Loneliness—defined as living without a partner—is as harmful as heavy smoking.

Homelessness is temporary for most people and only rarely lasts longer than a year. Inceldom lasts a lifetime and so does the depression it causes. The permanent homeless -- the hopelessly drug-addicted and alcoholics -- are often mentally damaged and physically deteriorated. Men like that are often unattractive to all women, and could be considered incels. George Orwell studied poverty in Britain and made the point that male tramps were basically deprived of any kind of sexual contact and understood that this added to their misery.
 
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Most women want to have sex regularly, but some don't. Those who don't are the ones who haven't had sex in the past year.
True.

Relationships benefit men more than they benefit women because most men can't easily get sex outside of relationships. Decreased stress, increased life expectancy, improved job prospects, that kind of thing. Women see the opposite. So it's not suprising that the demographic of women who feel little desire for sex are increasingly choosing to refrain from both casual sex and relationships.

To repeat what I've said earlier: more than at any time in the past, women are having as much sex as they want to have. The same is not true for men, obviously. Most women have had casual sex and/or been in relationships with attractive men, but not all of them. Any non-monogamous sexual behavior that women engage in, including living in serial monogamy with attractive men, makes dating harder for average and especially below average men.
Yes, women refrain from sex and relationships because of the little desire they have for those experiences. Women WOULD have that desire, if porn didn't exist. Yes in the past, porn wasn't there, but the reason we didn't see lots of women sleeping around then was because of the cultural implications high sexuality would result in. Also, women have always felt threatened by men which makes them less likely to involve in sex with them.

You have to understand the impacts porn has on SOCIETY. Not just individuals, btw. It's one of the main reasons we're seeing a decline in an orderly fashioned dating world. It has many effects subconsciously, which we can't see.

Women's liberation has not made women less interested in casual sex. To the contrary, it's made women more promiscuous than they used to be, increased sexual inequality between men, and unleashed female hypergamy, which is corrosive to social cohesion. The average young man today has had sex far less often than the average young man in the 1950s. Every single generation after the Silent Generation has seen a decline in sexual frequency.
True.

Individually women use their sexuality to get a free pass in life. Their sexuality is literally monetizable and gets them male attention with little to no effort or commitment on their part. Being female gets them access to programs, admissions, scholarships, loans and other benefits that are blocked from men specifically based on gender. Women's biological imperative is to extract as many resources from men as possible, and women instinctively reward men with attractive genes with love and affection.
We all know this.

Women have rational reasons to downplay their sexual history and lie about their virginity, so it isn't suprising that research shows that they do both. Only 1 out of every 333 women ends up as a 40-year old virgin.
Although women do have some reasons to cover their sexual history and appear pure in the eyes of society, these reasons are diminishing in a world which embraces exploring your sexuality. Women, more than ever before are able to experience sex to a degree that they haven't able to before, with LESS judgement and social ramifications. These objections to a woman engaging in casual sex or not being a virgin do still exist, but it is unlikely to believe that one can provide a strong justification to believe that plenty of women lie about being virgins.

This sort of argument you presented carries an ideology that wouldn't suffice in a real-life social interaction. Plenty of women I know, high sex drive or not, haven't engaged in casual sex. Many of them have only had one boyfriend. This is not uncommon.

A fundamental part of the reasoning you have is attributed to OUR inceldom. Sex, as described by most participants, including my friends and people online, is a good experience. Good however, doesn't mean remarkable or life-changing. Since we haven't had sex, we like to place it on a pedestal and revolve everything that happens around it. Women, whom you claim to have easy access to sex, don't think like this. They're not living in this sex crazed world where they're sleeping with attractive men frequently. Most guys who aren't incels think the same.
Attractive men are good at convincing women to give them sex. So good that even most lesbian and asexual women have had heterosexual intercourse at least once in their lives, in spite of not being attracted to men at all, whereas the majority of gay men have never had sex with women. Even lesbian women subconciously desire good genes and might sexually submit to attractive men on rare occasions. But that doesn't mean they are doing so on a regular basis. Similarly, women with a low sex drive may well go for years or decades without ever wanting to have sex.



It seems that men who consume lots of porn are more, rather than less, likely to be sexually active than men who consume less porn.

"We were able to test two other possible explanations for lower sexual frequency in recent years: Longer working hours and the increased use of pornography (which might provide an alternative sexual outlet). First, working hours among those who were employed, r(17,191) = .08, p < .001, and pornography use, r(15,705) = .20, p < .001, were both positively, not negatively, correlated with sexual frequency. This was true even when age was controlled, r(17,167) = .09, p < .001, for working hours, and r(15,677) = .10, p < .001, for pornography use. In addition, those who worked full-time had sex more frequently than those who worked parttime or not at all (see Tables 1 and 2). When matched by year, sexual frequency was higher in years with a higher average number of working hours and more pornography use, though the the correlations were not significant given the low number of years, r(13)=.40, and pornography use (13)= .33. Thus, it does not appear that the decline in sexual frequency was due to longer working hours or to more people viewing pornography. If anything, these factors were connected to higher sexual frequency" (Source)
It's 2021. The viewing of porn has a lot of consequences like I've mentioned previously(in past replies). It seems like you refuse to accept the impact it has on society, especially in romantic relationships and sex. I've already spoken about the dopamine spikes and how it affects your mind and body.

Porn makes it harder for us to appreciate beauty and little things in the opposite sex. Source: your brain.
Porn decreases sexual satisfaction. Source.
Porn makes us less likely to pursue real-life interactions both sexually and socially. Source.
Porn increases masturbation frequency, thus making us less attractive to women. Ask the guys at NoFap for that one.
Porn use leads to libido and erectile issues like erectile dysfunction, (source) making women less likely to seek sex.
Porn increases the standards of beauty in partners, making us less likely to engage in sexual relations with everyday people. Source: your brain.

This sounds like something a woman who has only slept with antisocial guys would say. It's competely untrue. Most men want their partners to have an
enjoyable experience. Men are often as concerned with pleasing their partners as they are concerned with their own pleasure. It's women who tend to just lie down and expect their partners to do all the work.
No, I'm saying that this is the way it is for both men and women. Where sex can be replaced by porn.

Inceldom is a chronic state of suffering that lasts from youth to old age. Many male suicide victims were happy and well-adjusted members of society before a traumatic event drove them to commit suicide. The experience of losing a close relative is more traumatizing for incels than for normies who have a wife/girlfriend and/or children to help them through the pain. "Relationship issues" is probably a euphemism for divorce and the loneliness and depresion that it causes.

Loneliness—defined as living without a partner—is as harmful as heavy smoking.

Homelessness is temporary for most people and only rarely lasts longer than a year. Inceldom lasts a lifetime and so does the depression it causes. The permanent homeless -- the hopelessly drug-addicted and alcoholics -- are often mentally damaged and physically deteriorated. Men like that are often unattractive to all women, and could be considered incels. George Orwell studied poverty in Britain and made the point that male tramps were basically deprived of any kind of sexual contact and understood that this added to their misery.
Suicide from divorce and loneliness is not the same as inceldom. The depression divorce causes is different to what we feel as incels.

Homelessness is temporary, but that doesn't mean people don't commit suicide because of it. Many people who kill themselves, do so in the early stages of living in such circumstances. They won't even get to experience homelessness or jail time that much because they've already committed suicide as soon as they found out they were subject to said punishment. This could be why we see a shorter homeless timespan.
 
Although women do have some reasons to cover their sexual history and appear pure in the eyes of society, these reasons are diminishing in a world which embraces exploring your sexuality. Women, more than ever before are able to experience sex to a degree that they haven't able to before, with LESS judgement and social ramifications. These objections to a woman engaging in casual sex or not being a virgin do still exist, but it is unlikely to believe that one can provide a strong justification to believe that plenty of women lie about being virgins.
It's true that a lot of men today don't care if a woman is a virgin or even prefer non-virgin women, but many women nonetheless believe that men prefer virgins. They learn in sex-ed about the age-old "double standard" between male and female virginity and why words like slut and whore still carry a negative connotation. It's the perception that they might be judged negatively by men that motivates them to lie.

I think women from more conservative backgrounds are more likely to believe that non-vaginal sex doesn't count as sex or virginity loss. Teenagers who take virginity pledges often convince themselves that vaginal virginity is the only thing that they should be guarding.

In a study by Lipsitz et al., it was found that 60% of virginity pledgers failed to keep their pledge, and 55% of those who did keep their virginity engaged in non-vaginal risky sexual activities, such as oral and anal sex, supporting the notion of virginity as being vaginally located.
A fundamental part of the reasoning you have is attributed to OUR inceldom. Sex, as described by most participants, including my friends and people online, is a good experience. Good however, doesn't mean remarkable or life-changing. Since we haven't had sex, we like to place it on a pedestal and revolve everything that happens around it.
Intimacy and sex are regarded as the most pleasurable and meaningful human experiences.

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You're assuming that:
  1. Inceldom is only about sex.
  2. No one on this forum has had sex.
Most incels want both sex AND female companionship, and the users on this forum who have had paid sex still view these things as very important. Even most chads don't spend their entire lives only having casual sex, they also have relationships. This study with a huge sample size shows that populations younger than 65 who live alone have a massively reduced life expectancy on average compared to people of the same age who live with a partner. It's clearly not the case that what incels want isn't all that important.
 
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Meh there might be a correlation but it's far from being a deceiding factor, imo. I very seldom watch porn, i haven't even fapped until i was 18. And yet i'm here. Almost a 23 year old virgin.
 
another example of correlation != causation
 

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