Disillusioned
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Note that when I say socialism I mean ECONOMIC socialism. Not this horrible sjw generate bullshit. But the original socialism that favors planned economy over the free market.
I use to believe that capitalism was vastly better than socialism and big government. I bought into all the bullshit propaganda about how markets are more efficient and how consumers are more likely to make rational choices. They aren't. Most are brainwashed idiots who just buy whatever garbage is mass marketed towards them regardless of its quality and in general do a poor job of taking responsibility for themselves. Perception and marketing is what makes a product successful in capitalism, not quality.
Another problem with capitalism is that just like in any other system where success is dependent on majority popular approval, people tend to be rewarded for very superficial qualities. Good luck becoming a CEO if you aren't a tall good looking white male (yes I know claiming only white males can be successful is a mostly sjw thing to say, but any incel knows that the racepill is real so there is actually some truth to the white privilege theory). In a planned economy that doesn't depend as much on popular approval less attractive and charismatic but more intelligent individuals are far more likely to become successful.
This is where capitalists will make 2 claims, both of whom are wrong:
1. Soviet union and other communist shitholes failed, and this proves capitalism is better.
2. Socialist states are corrupt and thus unless you are born into the party elite you have no chance of becoming successful.
I will address these 2 falsehoods individually:
1. It's true that in the past planned economy did not work. In the soviet union they had a form of economy called "material balance planning" where basically the entire national production was planned in advance on a yearly bases and then prices were set. Problem was that this form of rigid control wasn't efficient and thus you would end up with stupid situations like a store having tons of a good but nobody could buy it because it was too expensive and yet prices could not be lowered since the price was centrally planned. Or they might not have enough of a good and yet they could raise the price causing it to run out almost instantly. Indeed there were major problems with the soviet economy.
But the problem with this point is that it's being rendered ever more irrelevant by modern technology. Thanks to computers and AI it's becoming increasingly more feasible to gather and analyze information in real time and then make adjustments dynamically instead of having to depend on human pencil pushers. This wasn't possible to do in the past. I would thus argue that this problem won't be an issue in the future, and that the problem with nations such as the soviet union is merely that they were too ahead of their time and lacked the needed technology to make socialism work.
2. Yes it's true that there isn't much social mobility in socialism, but there isn't any under capitalism either. The idea that capitalism allows more more mobility than socialism is pure propaganda. Genetics and social darwinism/natural selection is what truly determines life outcome. Attractive high IQ parents give birth to smart attractive children and then they become as successful as their parents, and visa versa. This is true regardless of the economic system and thus it isn't possible to create social mobility regardless of the economic system. There difference however is that under capitalism the lesser get to eat shit while at least under socialism they get something, however much.
So yea, realizing that capitalism is actually bullshit is a pretty big red pill. The social elements or socialism (social justice, gender equality etc) is garbage though.
Economically socialist and socially conservative is the ideal society.
I use to believe that capitalism was vastly better than socialism and big government. I bought into all the bullshit propaganda about how markets are more efficient and how consumers are more likely to make rational choices. They aren't. Most are brainwashed idiots who just buy whatever garbage is mass marketed towards them regardless of its quality and in general do a poor job of taking responsibility for themselves. Perception and marketing is what makes a product successful in capitalism, not quality.
Another problem with capitalism is that just like in any other system where success is dependent on majority popular approval, people tend to be rewarded for very superficial qualities. Good luck becoming a CEO if you aren't a tall good looking white male (yes I know claiming only white males can be successful is a mostly sjw thing to say, but any incel knows that the racepill is real so there is actually some truth to the white privilege theory). In a planned economy that doesn't depend as much on popular approval less attractive and charismatic but more intelligent individuals are far more likely to become successful.
This is where capitalists will make 2 claims, both of whom are wrong:
1. Soviet union and other communist shitholes failed, and this proves capitalism is better.
2. Socialist states are corrupt and thus unless you are born into the party elite you have no chance of becoming successful.
I will address these 2 falsehoods individually:
1. It's true that in the past planned economy did not work. In the soviet union they had a form of economy called "material balance planning" where basically the entire national production was planned in advance on a yearly bases and then prices were set. Problem was that this form of rigid control wasn't efficient and thus you would end up with stupid situations like a store having tons of a good but nobody could buy it because it was too expensive and yet prices could not be lowered since the price was centrally planned. Or they might not have enough of a good and yet they could raise the price causing it to run out almost instantly. Indeed there were major problems with the soviet economy.
But the problem with this point is that it's being rendered ever more irrelevant by modern technology. Thanks to computers and AI it's becoming increasingly more feasible to gather and analyze information in real time and then make adjustments dynamically instead of having to depend on human pencil pushers. This wasn't possible to do in the past. I would thus argue that this problem won't be an issue in the future, and that the problem with nations such as the soviet union is merely that they were too ahead of their time and lacked the needed technology to make socialism work.
2. Yes it's true that there isn't much social mobility in socialism, but there isn't any under capitalism either. The idea that capitalism allows more more mobility than socialism is pure propaganda. Genetics and social darwinism/natural selection is what truly determines life outcome. Attractive high IQ parents give birth to smart attractive children and then they become as successful as their parents, and visa versa. This is true regardless of the economic system and thus it isn't possible to create social mobility regardless of the economic system. There difference however is that under capitalism the lesser get to eat shit while at least under socialism they get something, however much.
So yea, realizing that capitalism is actually bullshit is a pretty big red pill. The social elements or socialism (social justice, gender equality etc) is garbage though.
Economically socialist and socially conservative is the ideal society.