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"the little-known fact that Eastern Europe was the largest source of slaves in the early modern world after West Africa"

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It's honestly unnerving how much and how quickly can history be forgotten:shock:.

The upshot of these activities is the little-known fact that Eastern Europe was the largest source of slaves in the early modern world after West Africa (Khodarkovsky 2002, 22).
Our understanding of how slave-raiding influences long-run development is based almost exclusively on evidence from the transatlantic slave trade, which was dwarfed by its Black Sea counterpart until as late as the 18th century.
At a minimum, 3.7 million people were enslaved in these incursions; using imputation methods to account for missing information on captives, we estimate that the true figure lies in the region of 5 million. This represents more than a quarter of Eastern Europe’s estimated population in 1400, shortly before the onset of the slave trade. This is comparable to the proportion of Africa’s preexisting population that was exported in one of its four major early modern slave trades (just under one-third). As a high fraction of Eastern European slaves were exported to Ottoman lands(Kołodziejczyk 2006, 151), it seems reasonable to view the Black Sea slave trade as roughly comparable to its African counterparts in terms of overall demographic burden.

Consequences of the Black Sea Slave Trade: Long-Run Development in Eastern Europe

"Little-known" doesn't come close to giving it justice. I've seen normies IRL be genuinely confused by the notion of white slaves, despite being from a country literally bordering the red area on this map, completely oblivious to the fact that their ancestors were one of the most often enslaved groups in Eurasia and there basically never having been black slaves here.

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Equal to the West African slave trade in its demographic impact on the supplier region and greater than it up until the 18th century, yet it is the former that has basically redefined and put itself at the center of any kind of slavery studies, is talked about to this day and even continues to be an issue in world politics, both in terms of international politics between various countries and internal issues of various large countries, while the Black Sea slave trade is all but forgotten.

It never comes up in fiction and isn't in history books either (I found out about this particular slave trade on English-language Wikipedia ffs:feelshaha:). Nobody except history professors and 4chan Chuds looking for anything they could use to undermine the mainstream undestanding of the world, history and politics even knows about this.

It's just interesting to think about it and what other historical events have been completely forgotten because there's no infrastructure to remember them. Or which are currently happening and won't be remembered:waitwhat:.

Of course, I understand why that is so. First off, there is no surviving population in Turkey that traces its origins to those enslaved people, since the men were by and large prevented from reproducing as a large majority were castrated and mostly didn't have any chance to have sex with any woman even in the rare cases where they weren't castrated. Meanwhile, the women were used for reproduction by their owners, with all the random freak instances where an enslaved man would've impregnated his female owner or his male owner's wife being just dealt with by paternity fraud. Then, you have the fact that the countries which participated in the Transatlantic Slave Trade have much bigger populations and much more advanced historical research scene, so it is much more studied and written about, which in turn influences the historians in our EE countries, and they also start focusing on and reading publications about the more studied phenomenon.

That second point really can't be understated, I did a quick check on both Slovak and Czech websites which catalogue various student theses (bachelor's, master's, and so on), looking for ones with "slavery" among the studied terms, for the former there were only theses about modern slavery, Roman slavery, and the US slavery of course:feelskek:, with absolutely nothing about slavery in our own history, while for the latter, it was very much the same, though they had much more of them indexed, and after searching through like 150-200 of them I actually managed to find one, single thesis about slavery in their history during the Early Middle Ages, and that was it, the rest was American, Roman, and modern stuff:dafuckfeels:. I wonder whether Polish, Romanian, Ukrainian and Russian brocels here would find anything different on their analogues of those sites, but I highly doubt it:feelsseriously:.

And lastly, since we live in a world where browns and blacks are well, well below whites in the power hierarchy and when it comes to development, it just comes naturally to people to think about whites being in power over others in the past, rather than think about Europeans being mass enslaved and brought to non-white lands by force and violence.

Crazy to think that if those factors were flipped, it is the same Transatlantic Slave Trade which we all know about that is almost a religion in some political and activist circles, that would be the irrelevant and forgotten niche historical footnote:feelsjuice:.
 
According to our imputation model, 4.79 million captives — 95% of the total — were taken by 1700. The number of Africans exported in the transatlantic slave trade by this date is estimated at 1.28 million (Slave Voyages 2021).

When the USA became independent in 1776, there were people in that country who were alive during the time when almost four times as many white slaves have been sent to the Ottoman Empire than African slaves sent through the Atlantic:feelshaha::feelstrash:.

According to Wikipedia:

Current estimates are that about 12 million to 12.8 million Africans were shipped across the Atlantic over a span of 400 years.

And:

Following the British Slave Trade Act 1807 and U.S. bans on the African slave trade that same year, it declined, but the period thereafter still accounted for 28.5% of the total volume of the Atlantic slave trade.[153][page needed] Between 1810 and 1860, over 3.5 million slaves were transported, with 850,000 in the 1820s.[154]

Let's say the number is in between those two estimates, so 12.4 million. That minus 28.5% is 8.866 million. That means that after the entire period during which it was legal, there weren't even twice as many slaves shipped from West Africa through the Atlantic as there were EE captives sent to the Ottoman Empire, and only maybe something about twice or thrice as many when counting the ones who died during transit:feelsjuice:.
 
Sowell points out that every group of people got enslaved at some point in their history. Americentric historical narratives focus on blacks because they have to push the victimhood narrative.
The Eastern European slave trade dates back to the viking era, they had slave markets in Verdun for this. Suffering oppression doesn't make ethnic group uniquely victimized.
 
Sowell points out that every group of people got enslaved at some point in their history. Americentric historical narratives focus on blacks because they have to push the victimhood narrative.
The Eastern European slave trade dates back to the viking era, they had slave markets in Verdun for this. Suffering oppression doesn't make ethnic group uniquely victimized.
Turks/Arabs almost never come online and troll Slavs by telling them their enslavement was a good thing.

Many Whites, however, do think Colonialism and Slavery were net positives for Blacks and Browns. This is what annoys people.
 
I wonder whether Polish, Romanian, Ukrainian and Russian brocels here would find anything different on their analogues of those sites, but I highly doubt it
This is absolutely the first time I'm hearing about it, nobody ever brings this up in russia, definitely not common knowledge here :shock: Yeah it's insane how much stuff is forgotten or twisted for the benefit of currently ruling political parties, a good example being of course what we're now experiencing with foid nature, "patriarchy" and feminism
 
It's honestly unnerving how much and how quickly can history be forgotten:shock:.





Consequences of the Black Sea Slave Trade: Long-Run Development in Eastern Europe

"Little-known" doesn't come close to giving it justice. I've seen normies IRL be genuinely confused by the notion of white slaves, despite being from a country literally bordering the red area on this map, completely oblivious to the fact that their ancestors were one of the most often enslaved groups in Eurasia and there basically never having been black slaves here.

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Equal to the West African slave trade in its demographic impact on the supplier region and greater than it up until the 18th century, yet it is the former that has basically redefined and put itself at the center of any kind of slavery studies, is talked about to this day and even continues to be an issue in world politics, both in terms of international politics between various countries and internal issues of various large countries, while the Black Sea slave trade is all but forgotten.

It never comes up in fiction and isn't in history books either (I found out about this particular slave trade on English-language Wikipedia ffs:feelshaha:). Nobody except history professors and 4chan Chuds looking for anything they could use to undermine the mainstream undestanding of the world, history and politics even knows about this.

It's just interesting to think about it and what other historical events have been completely forgotten because there's no infrastructure to remember them. Or which are currently happening and won't be remembered:waitwhat:.

Of course, I understand why that is so. First off, there is no surviving population in Turkey that traces its origins to those enslaved people, since the men were by and large prevented from reproducing as a large majority were castrated and mostly didn't have any chance to have sex with any woman even in the rare cases where they weren't castrated. Meanwhile, the women were used for reproduction by their owners, with all the random freak instances where an enslaved man would've impregnated his female owner or his male owner's wife being just dealt with by paternity fraud. Then, you have the fact that the countries which participated in the Transatlantic Slave Trade have much bigger populations and much more advanced historical research scene, so it is much more studied and written about, which in turn influences the historians in our EE countries, and they also start focusing on and reading publications about the more studied phenomenon.

That second point really can't be understated, I did a quick check on both Slovak and Czech websites which catalogue various student theses (bachelor's, master's, and so on), looking for ones with "slavery" among the studied terms, for the former there were only theses about modern slavery, Roman slavery, and the US slavery of course:feelskek:, with absolutely nothing about slavery in our own history, while for the latter, it was very much the same, though they had much more of them indexed, and after searching through like 150-200 of them I actually managed to find one, single thesis about slavery in their history during the Early Middle Ages, and that was it, the rest was American, Roman, and modern stuff:dafuckfeels:. I wonder whether Polish, Romanian, Ukrainian and Russian brocels here would find anything different on their analogues of those sites, but I highly doubt it:feelsseriously:.

And lastly, since we live in a world where browns and blacks are well, well below whites in the power hierarchy and when it comes to development, it just comes naturally to people to think about whites being in power over others in the past, rather than think about Europeans being mass enslaved and brought to non-white lands by force and violence.

Crazy to think that if those factors were flipped, it is the same Transatlantic Slave Trade which we all know about that is almost a religion in some political and activist circles, that would be the irrelevant and forgotten niche historical footnote:feelsjuice:.
amazing thread. I recently learned there were multiple wars the same size as the vietnam war, happening at the same time as the vietnam war, yet nobody remembers. Most of history is forgotten, never recorded. There was also a war in north africa with same death rate as ukraine, happening at same time, but nobody cares. I only learned about it while looking up a list of wars on wikipedia and sorting by date/kill count, and these random ass huge wars kept popping up I never heard about, even though they happened in my lifetime.


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Turks/Arabs almost never come online and troll Slavs by telling them their enslavement was a good thing.

Many Whites, however, do think Colonialism and Slavery were net positives for Blacks and Browns. This is what annoys people.
That's assuming that they are by and large aware and knowledgeable about it and are just choosing not to talk about it, which is what I'm very much unsure about due to the reasons I mentioned:feelsthink:. In this study for example, the researchers repeatedly point out that this seems to be the first time someone had tried to make a large-scale mapping and analysis of this, for example.

Yeah it's insane how much stuff is forgotten or twisted for the benefit of currently ruling political parties, a good example being of course what we're now experiencing with foid nature, "patriarchy" and feminism
amazing thread. I recently learned there were multiple wars the same size as the vietnam war, happening at the same time as the vietnam war, yet nobody remembers. Most of history is forgotten, never recorded.
:yes::yes::yes:
 
First off, there is no surviving population in Turkey that traces its origins to those enslaved people, since the men were by and large prevented from reproducing as a large majority were castrated and mostly didn't have any chance to have sex with any woman even in the rare cases where they weren't castrated. Meanwhile, the women were used for reproduction by their owners, with all the random freak instances where an enslaved man would've impregnated his female owner or his male owner's wife being just dealt with by paternity fraud.
I hope trump NUKES the middle east, semites off all kinds are fucking disgusting, kill them all (in REAL LIFE).

Semites/SandNiggers try not to mutilate male genitals challenge (impossible):
 

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