Based The decline of rock music correlates with the rise of inceldom and with the decline of White men in mainstream culture

[Junkie]

Rap glamourizes thugs and pop glorifies women. Rock was a cultural signifier of unapologetic sexual behavior for misfits, particularly lower-middle-class men. Even the genre's name rock and roll was a slang term for sex. And what this music did was elevate men that would have never been seen as sexually desirable otherwise.

Thugs were always seen as sexually desirable by low-class bitches. Rap just put them on a new kind of pedestal. So did pop by making women even more accessible to Chads. But rock launched ugly, unpopular, and poor dudes into the spotlight for once.

Yes, for once being an outcast was not so stigmatized; it was seen as part of a culture that was developing and everyone wanted a piece of it. Having long hair wasn't a faggot thing anymore; it was desirable. Being divergent was considered rebellious and anti-establishment. Can you imagine how many awkward-behaving and weird-looking guys managed to get laid because of this?

Guys that would be posting here in 2025 went to rock concerts, worked in rock music stores, hung out around rock communities, and eventually bagged something back then. Would you see the same thing happening in a K-pop event nowadays? I doubt it.

Also, some of the rockstars being ugly helped raise the SMV of unattractive dudes:

Spoiler: Joey Ramone

A "creepy" incel in 2025, a slayer in the 20th century.

And this is just one example of an ugly bastard rising to stardom. There were girls drooling over the likes of Steven Tyler, Mick Mars, Gene Simmons, Ozzy Osbourne (rest in peace), and even gigamanlets like Angus Young, who is 5'2". Don't you think these guys being popular in the mainstream helped raise the SMV of previously undesired dudes?

You could have gone to a few rock concerts even in the 2000s and see guys and girls from their teens to their 40s having fun there, while today at the height of this decadent liberal society they would be labeled predators or creeps. Rock music promoted unapologetic, violent masculinity. Pop music promotes unapologetic feminism and Chad-chasing.

As for Whiteness, there isn't much to write about because it's so obvious that rock music was overwhelmingly White from the start. I found this comment from a Black guy on YouTube as I was listening to a popular grunge song:

He acknowledges that rock music is a thing for Whites and not part of his culture. He understands that rock is a space for White people (men in particular), although there are ethnics in it. This respect is dead now. Nothing too White is heavily promoted in the media. White men are no longer the sex symbols they used to be. This is an assault and an attack on our sexuality by the Jewish media and music industry.

Spoiler: Tagging based dudes.

@Dr. Autismo
@gluttony
@Livonica_Irreale
@slavcel11
@zangano1
@Sir Silentium
@TheLastRhodesian
@ZX888
@aryanmikmaq
@WeirdoFreak88
@MountainGorilla

 

[Animecel2D]

No rock and roll for my face

 

[BricABrac]

No rock and roll for my face

 

[WeirdoFreak88]

Dude, right as you tagged me I was writing a long response on one of your threads, you're based as fuck dude

 

[Smiggles]

Based thread OP. I am a huge rock fan and I now realize that what you are saying is mostly true.

 

[deleted fren]

I agree. Rock was arguably the last bastion of white men being cool in pop culture. Now negros are seen as being the highest status. It's a shame that classic rock and roll/heavy metal went out of style in favor of preachy pretentious liberal nuu metal like System of a Down.

 

[ZX888]

fuck pop culture

 

[Sir Silentium]

Rap glamourizes thugs and pop glorifies women. Rock was a cultural signifier of unapologetic sexual behavior for misfits, particularly lower-middle-class men. Even the genre's name rock and roll was a slang term for sex. And what this music did was elevate men that would have never been seen as sexually desirable otherwise.

Thugs were always seen as sexually desirable by low-class bitches. Rap just put them on a new kind of pedestal. So did pop by making women even more accessible to Chads. But rock launched ugly, unpopular, and poor dudes into the spotlight for once.

The black music culture glamorised violence, drugs and womenising.

Black thugs are still seen as quite desirable for women as I have noticed they are generally quite attractive.

Black rap music is Satanic and I want nothing of it.

 

[Dr. Autismo]

Ozzy Osbourne (rest in peace)

Fuck that Jew lover

 

[Britbongler]

Every NWOBHM player was far from chad like. (Especially Lemmy)

 

[Livonica_Irreale]

The key point was charisma and brainwashing. Joseph Goebbels was ugly genetic inferior nazi, and yet he managed to control German souls in the name of Hitler.
Same with rockstars and rappers, they had charmed crowds mostly with attitude, fashion-breaking style (being unique attract foids, if it's in appropiate tone), sometimes combined with gigachad looks (Elvis Presley). But it wouldn't be achievable, if not music producers, who are real puppetmasters - they had absolute control over who and what gets into records.
Controlling souls, becoming superstar, creating new fashion depends on who'll get lucky to be picked by puppet masters.
Same with masculinity traits - what's gay and what's not depends on fashion and what actual gay/straight celebrities wears on them.
Also, imagine alternate timeline, when ultra popular popstars like Michael Jackson, instead of ranting about burning tropical forest, would ask girls to be gentler with shy boys. That would be a gamechanger, don't you think?

 

[RealSchizo]

I agree. Rock was arguably the last bastion of white men being cool in pop culture. Now negros are seen as being the highest status. It's a shame that classic rock and roll/heavy metal went out of style in favor of preachy pretentious liberal nuu metal like System of a Down.

Rock is also degenerate and is a direct result of the sexual liberation movement.
White culture is not taking drugs and acting like a moron. This is what the jews want you to think white culture is.

 

[deleted fren]

Rock is also degenerate and is a direct result of the sexual liberation movement.
White culture is not taking drugs and acting like a moron. This is what the jews want you to think white culture is.

It's a subset of white culture.

 

[Junkie]

Dude, right as you tagged me I was writing a long response on one of your threads, you're based as fuck dude

Thanks. Yesterday I opened your profile and read every single post of yours. You're a promising member. People don't realize it because they're so used to ignoring new members here.

Based thread OP. I am a huge rock fan and I now realize that what you are saying is mostly true.

I don't know what my life would be without rock music, to be honest.

I agree. Rock was arguably the last bastion of white men being cool in pop culture. Now negros are seen as being the highest status. It's a shame that classic rock and roll/heavy metal went out of style in favor of preachy pretentious liberal nuu metal like System of a Down.

The model for cool artist that people had in mind back then was Robert Plant, Mick Jagger, AXL Rose, Eddie Vedder, Liam Gallagher, Brian Johnson, etc. Nowadays it's a Black thug singing about xanax and killing cops.

Rock is also degenerate and is a direct result of the sexual liberation movement.

We had to do something about it and we did. Whites took the lead of the new cultural shift and made it our own.

White culture is not taking drugs and acting like a moron. This is what the jews want you to think white culture is.

Drugs are not inherently bad, but this is another discussion.

That would be a gamechanger, don't you think?

It would have been, yes.

 

[Livonica_Irreale]

Rock is also degenerate and is a direct result of the sexual liberation movement.
White culture is not taking drugs and acting like a moron. This is what the jews want you to think white culture is.

This is white culture:

 

[Junkie]

This is white culture:

That's part of it too, but if you're a frustrated White young man whose community has been ruined by the elites and you can't find a girl to spend time with because you're considered ugly and a weirdo, will you be relating to that song a lot? I doubt it, man. That's when rock music came in and said, "Hey, kid, you have value too and your anger is justified. Here's some violent music that you can relate to."

 

[Livonica_Irreale]

if you're a frustrated White young man whose community has been ruined by the elites and you can't find a girl to spend time with because you're considered ugly and a weirdo, will you be relating to that song a lot?

White classic culture prepared for this circumstances as well

 

[Junkie]

White classic culture prepared for this circumstances as well

I can't quite relate to an old Austrian playing his piano or violin. I like artists who sing about issues that younger generations are facing and speak English. Maybe it's the American inside me. Who knows.

 

[RealSchizo]

It's a subset of white culture.

Rock stars were formerly those hippies pushing for equality and feminism. It is a jewish forced culture. What followed was a natural response to this artificial degenerate culture that replaced the white man's interests.

 

[Livonica_Irreale]

Rock stars were formerly those hippies pushing for equality and feminism. It is a jewish forced culture.

It gives a lot to think, that lots of them died because of overdose or suicide.
Their mirror image called rappers shares similar fate - overdosed or being shot by another monkey due to some kind of shit beef.

 

[RealSchizo]

It gives a lot to think, that lots of them died because of overdose or suicide.
Their mirror image called rappers shares similar fate - overdosed or being shot by another monkey due to some kind of shit beef.

Yes they promoted degenerate ideas to young people. Shilling rock as a white man's value means that you're either delusional or giga retarded.

 

[Smiggles]

This is my rockstar

 

[Junkie]

Yes they promoted degenerate ideas to young people. Shilling rock as a white man's value means that you're either delusional or giga retarded.

A lot of good came of it as well, it was not all degeneracy. Only an ignorant person deals in absolutes.

 

[RealSchizo]

A lot of good came of it as well, it was not all degeneracy. Only an ignorant person deals in absolutes.

Like what ? I'm listening.

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

There's definitely some truth to it, and it seems to be one of many factors linked to the general decay of society. Pop and rap essentially swapped the dynamics. Pop turned women into the main attraction, rap glorified thugs, and average guys got nothing.

 

[Junkie]

Like what ? I'm listening.

Rock launched previously undesired guys into the spotlight for once. It opened people's eyes to Eastern religious traditions and how there is more spirituality to be explored than Christianity. It popularized the criticism of political authorities. It turned White men, even the quite ugly ones, into sex and status symbols, whereas we are seen as boring and outdated these days. It's cool to be Black now. Rock gave voice to marginalized communities WITHIN the White race.

A lot of thoughtful rock songs became popular, songs that made people think, while these days mumble raps and cringey pop songs are what become big hits.

And even if this isn't important to many people, it's one of the only genres that incentive people to learn an instrument. Seriously, how many fans of rap, pop or electronic music that play an instrument have you seen? Now go to a bar of rock fans and you'll see that a lot of them play the guitar, bass, drums, etc. And it was rock music that got them into instrument playing.

 

[RealSchizo]

There's definitely some truth to it, and it seems to be one of many factors linked to the general decay of society. Pop and rap essentially swapped the dynamics. Pop turned women into the main attraction, rap glorified thugs, and average guys got nothing.

Because it is artificial culture. Humans no longer associate their heritage with traditions. Only jews do which is why they're successful. They've pushed rock, pop and rap then managed to become even more successful in spite of non-jews. The glorifying of drugs , guns and debauchery programmed the average normie to pretty much turn into a bunch of cattle with no identities. This is why families are ripping each other over money and real estate. They've completely destroyed the nuclear family and rock played its role in this, so did pop and all of that degenerate shit.

 

[RealSchizo]

Rock launched previously undesired guys into the spotlight for once. It opened people's eyes to Eastern religious traditions and how there is more spirituality to be explored than Christianity. It popularized the criticism of political authorities.

And now explain to me how do you not link this with feminism because what you're describing is hippie slogan slop.

It turned White men, even the quite ugly ones, into sex and status symbols, whereas we are seen as boring and outdated these days. It's cool to be Black now. Rock gave voice to marginalized communities WITHIN the White race.

It helped normalfags , what about non-NTcels ? It made it worse for mentalcels to ascend because they can never fit in with the rest of normgroids.

A lot of thoughtful rock songs became popular, songs that made people think, while these days mumble raps and cringey pop songs are what become big hits.

I can agree on Linkin Park being good I also liked Three Days Grace. It was a better era for sure but claiming that it helped whites is just pure retardation. Straying away from ones traditions and replacing it with artificial shit is the worst thing to ever happen to any race since it loses its identity. It helped nichemaxxing normies in the sexual market , but it did not benefit white society in any way. It actually harmed it because many started to inject heroin because their role 'models' did so. This is not healthy for any society.

And even if this isn't important to many people, it's one of the only genres that incentive people to learn an instrument. Seriously, how many fans of rap, pop or electronic music that play an instrument have you seen? Now go to a bar of rock fans and you'll see that a lot of them play the guitar, bass, drums, etc. And it was rock music that got them into instrument playing.

Normie shit once again. Many incels would have stayed incel in this period. Bold of you to also claim that just because of nichemaxxing truly undesirable guys got the spotlight , lol. Foids have always been lookist if you were truly hideous it would have been over either way and you would have jestermaxxed in vain.

 

[ItsOverMan]

Rap glamourizes thugs and pop glorifies women. Rock was a cultural signifier of unapologetic sexual behavior for misfits, particularly lower-middle-class men. Even the genre's name rock and roll was a slang term for sex. And what this music did was elevate men that would have never been seen as sexually desirable otherwise.

Thugs were always seen as sexually desirable by low-class bitches. Rap just put them on a new kind of pedestal. So did pop by making women even more accessible to Chads. But rock launched ugly, unpopular, and poor dudes into the spotlight for once.

Yes, for once being an outcast was not so stigmatized; it was seen as part of a culture that was developing and everyone wanted a piece of it. Having long hair wasn't a faggot thing anymore; it was desirable. Being divergent was considered rebellious and anti-establishment. Can you imagine how many awkward-behaving and weird-looking guys managed to get laid because of this?

Guys that would be posting here in 2025 went to rock concerts, worked in rock music stores, hung out around rock communities, and eventually bagged something back then. Would you see the same thing happening in a K-pop event nowadays? I doubt it.

Also, some of the rockstars being ugly helped raise the SMV of unattractive dudes:

Spoiler: Joey Ramone

A "creepy" incel in 2025, a slayer in the 20th century.

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And this is just one example of an ugly bastard rising to stardom. There were girls drooling over the likes of Steven Tyler, Mick Mars, Gene Simmons, Ozzy Osbourne (rest in peace), and even gigamanlets like Angus Young, who is 5'2". Don't you think these guys being popular in the mainstream helped raise the SMV of previously undesired dudes?

You could have gone to a few rock concerts even in the 2000s and see guys and girls from their teens to their 40s having fun there, while today at the height of this decadent liberal society they would be labeled predators or creeps. Rock music promoted unapologetic, violent masculinity. Pop music promotes unapologetic feminism and Chad-chasing.

As for Whiteness, there isn't much to write about because it's so obvious that rock music was overwhelmingly White from the start. I found this comment from a Black guy on YouTube as I was listening to a popular grunge song:
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He acknowledges that rock music is a thing for Whites and not part of his culture. He understands that rock is a space for White people (men in particular), although there are ethnics in it. This respect is dead now. Nothing too White is heavily promoted in the media. White men are no longer the sex symbols they used to be. This is an assault and an attack on our sexuality by the ish media and music industry.

Spoiler: Tagging based dudes.

@Dr. Autismo
@gluttony
@Livonica_Irreale
@slavcel11
@zangano1
@Sir Silentium
@TheLastRhodesian
@ZX888
@aryanmikmaq
@WeirdoFreak88
@MountainGorilla

Rock and roll slowly declined and basically died around the year 2009. Rap took its place as the dominant mainstream preference I would say, at least in America.

RIP rock n roll, circa 1950-2009

 

[fastnbulbous]

And rock was also much much better music than the shit that passes for music today, i don't care what anyone says, no mainstream modern artist has any talent, incels should be the ones forming rock bands and fucking groupies

 

[Caichan]

still whites have the easiest life

 

[honorarycurry]

Rock and roll went out of fashion and was killed by rock/hard rock, as well as pop rock. Rock simply killed itself while being on life support for many years. I don't see the correlation with inceldom. Maybe at its root indeed 60s and 70s rock and punk were an incel phenomenon, but later the genre gained such an immense traction and had such a huge global cultural impact that it become something much more diverse and different, where everyone and their grandma could find or found a band that appealed to them. The mainstream acts would on the other hand push rock music into a much shallower and different direction too.

From that point as a continuation of what rock had been metal was the new underground music phenomenon for disenfranchised men and it would only be replaced in mainstream interest and appeal by other genres later.

 

[VeryNiceGuy]

And now modern rock is just a bunch of transgender soy boys with progressive views

 

[undertaker77]

That Jew Simon Cowell removed rock music from the mainstream. That Jew Simon Cowell wanted there to be no music for white incels to like and that Jew Simon Cowell got his way.

 

[undertaker77]

White millennials shunned rock music for nigga music. White millennials only listened to nigga music because they wanted to be niggas and that played a big part in removing rock music from the mainstream.

 

[Junkie]

White millennials shunned rock music for nigga music. White millennials only listened to nigga music because they wanted to be niggas and that played a big part in removing rock music from the mainstream.

And notice how people got more stupid after rock died. Rock had interesting lyrics talking about political, social, sexual, and moral problems that society was facing, while music these days barely has any thought-provoking lyrics. The generation of today learns nothing from the music they consume.

 

[undertaker77]

Chads never listen to rock music. Chads only listen to dance, pop, rap and hip hop. Chads always have a bad taste in music.

 

[undertaker77]

That's why I envy people who were born in the 1950s. People who were born in the 1950s had awesome music and they always boast about it. Also there were never any incels born in the 1950s because all men who were born in the 1950s enjoyed great sex lives and enjoyed being sex havers. Life has been awesome for people who were born in the 1950s.

 

[Redbeard7]

Interesting, you're probably right. Rock is healthier for us psychologically than pop or rap.

"Hey baby, what's the going price?" - AC/DC

This line always stuck out to me. It's unapologetically masculine. He'd get metoo'd for this today.

 

[BPJ]

only the rockstars themselves got the chad treatment

but the genre has compeltely faltered in recent times..

the peak was probably the mid 70s to late 80s

all downhill from there

 

[BPJ]

this is a good thread and its true

 

[TheRotKing]

Rock is also degenerate and is a direct result of the sexual liberation movement.
White culture is not taking drugs and acting like a moron. This is what the jews want you to think white culture is.

 

[Blackpill Monk]

The black music culture glamorised violence, drugs and womenising.

Black thugs are still seen as quite desirable for women as I have noticed they are generally quite attractive.

Black rap music is Satanic and I want nothing of it.

They preaches degeneracy, immorality, criminality, violence and uncivilized anti-social culture. All rappers and all those faggots who listen it should be beheaded (in GTA 6)

 

[Blackpill Monk]

Rock is also degenerate and is a direct result of the sexual liberation movement.
White culture is not taking drugs and acting like a moron. This is what the jews want you to think white culture is.

Listen the Neo Nazi Ethnonationalist Heavy Metal

 

[Blackpill Monk]

Btw Rock is the greatest music invention

 

[Runt171]

Joseph Goebbels was ugly genetic inferior nazi,

 

[Runt171]

Also, imagine alternate timeline, when ultra popular popstars like Michael Jackson, instead of ranting about burning tropical forest, would ask girls to be gentler with shy boys. That would be a gamechanger, don't you think?

Yeah Michael jackson really could have changed human nature

 

[Runt171]

incels should be the ones forming rock bands and fucking groupies

No groupies for our faces

 

[cafepeanuts]

No rock and roll for my face

 

[Sir Silentium]

They preaches degeneracy, immorality, criminality, violence and uncivilized anti-social culture. All rappers and all those faggots who listen it should be beheaded (in GTA 6)

Condemned in brimstone and fire eternally