Discussion The coveted six-pack abs that guys think will make them sex gods don't really matter much to females

[KingOfRome]

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I just experienced this firsthand on Photofeeler. Normally, with a standard smiling looking-at-the-camera picture with decent lighting and angle (essentially doing everything I'm supposed to), I score around a 4/10 in attractiveness. A couple days ago, I decided to see what would happen if I used a shirtless bathroom selfie with my normal resting bastard face looking at the phone. Recently, I dieted down to about 10% body fat and have maintained it fairly easily for a bit over a month, and I've been weightlifting for some time, so I have a six-pack that's visible in most lighting and decent muscle and vein definition elsewhere. With 26 votes, I scored a 5.6/10 in attractiveness, with the confidence interval being between 4.5 and 6.7 out of 10. I'm hatfishing in the picture as well, but based on my experience with Photofeeler, the addition of a hat seems to do little if anything to change my attractiveness score.

Now, this experiment doesn't control for confounding variables like facial expression, but those of you who are familiar with the more professional scientific inquiry on the topic should know those variables have very minimal impact, so it's still a valid experiment in my opinion.

So tl;dr abs are cope, definitely get lean if you're looksmaxing but be aware that you'll hit a point of diminishing returns somewhere between 12% and 15% body fat.

 

[jerrycan dan]

Isn't the core of leanmaxxing your bones showing? Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[speedtypingincel]

It's mostly height and face. Even chico knows that.

And being not fat will help you 80% as much as having a sixpack since sixpack isn't visible under the shirt. Gym is cope. Even the redpillers advocate for neck training to increase girth.

 

[Saudade]

frame mogs abs to oblivion

 

[Vermilioncore]

Manlets who gymcel are only destroying themselves more unless they only do cardio and leanmaxx. A short man with muscles looks ugly as fuck

 

[Dionysus]

brutal ngl

 

[Uglyethnicrat]

Women cant even see your six pack 99% of the time

 

[KingOfRome]

Isn't the core of leanmaxxing your bones showing? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeah it's mainly for guys who have good bones but high body fat covering it, as far as looksmaxing is concerned. If you just want a strong athletic body, getting lean will give you a more android hormonal profile and improve your insulin sensitivity so gaining strength and athleticism is a faster and easier process.

 

[ionlycopenow]

I tried lean maxxing but yes, it gets you no where. Briefly had abs too. But I realized it wasn't worth it so now I cope with food. I'm not overweight yet, but if I was to stop cardio and lifting I definitely would be, lol. I eat alot.

How legit is photofeeler?

 

[KingOfRome]

Women cant even see your six pack 99% of the time

This is a valid point too. I have a tiny waist and a gaunt face with little forward growth, so I just look like an Auschwitz escapee with shoulders and pecs in a shirt rather than a male model.

 

[lightskin2thousand0]

Manlets who gymcel are only destroying themselves more unless they only do cardio and leanmaxx. A short man with muscles looks ugly as fuck

we need a lean max guide most mainstream stuff is about getting bigger

 

[mylifeistrash]

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I just experienced this firsthand on Photofeeler. Normally, with a standard smiling looking-at-the-camera picture with decent lighting and angle (essentially doing everything I'm supposed to), I score around a 4/10 in attractiveness. A couple days ago, I decided to see what would happen if I used a shirtless bathroom selfie with my normal resting bastard face looking at the phone. Recently, I dieted down to about 10% body fat and have maintained it fairly easily for a bit over a month, and I've been weightlifting for some time, so I have a six-pack that's visible in most lighting and decent muscle and vein definition elsewhere. With 26 votes, I scored a 5.6/10 in attractiveness, with the confidence interval being between 4.5 and 6.7 out of 10. I'm hatfishing in the picture as well, but based on my experience with Photofeeler, the addition of a hat seems to do little if anything to change my attractiveness score.

Now, this experiment doesn't control for confounding variables like facial expression, but those of you who are familiar with the more professional scientific inquiry on the topic should know those variables have very minimal impact, so it's still a valid experiment in my opinion.

So tl;dr abs are cope, definitely get lean if you're looksmaxing but be aware that you'll hit a point of diminishing returns somewhere between 12% and 15% body fat.

tinder will flag your photos if you're shirtless

and unless you walk around shirtless everywhere, it's kind of useless

maybe you can make some fitness youtube videos and show it to women if you have an elite body

 

[ionlycopenow]

This is a valid point too. I have a tiny waist and a gaunt face with little forward growth, so I just look like an Auschwitz escapee with shoulders and pecs in a shirt rather than a male model.

Unless you have a naturally wide frame and or/tall, being lean is a failo most of the time. You look small in shirts. Now, that doesn't mean you have to full blaha retard mode and become obese to "look big" in a shirt, but nevertheless, it's all just cope.

tinder will flag your photos if you're shirtless

Seriously? Never heard of this.

 

[KingOfRome]

we need a lean max guide most mainstream stuff is about getting bigger

Gaining muscular size and strength optimally is a more difficult process with a lot more variables and uncertainty surrounding it. Fat loss is very straightforward in theory, the only problem is getting people to apply it in the real world.

Unless you have a naturally wide frame and or/tall, being lean is a failo most of the time. You look small in shirts.

"Looking big" is a cope. Look at the studies I linked in the OP; face is king. Body fat percentages above 15% have a resoundingly negative effect on your face.

 

[Deleted member 20811]

Seriously? Never heard of this.

Chad wont get flagged though

 

[ionlycopenow]

Gaining muscular size and strength optimally is a more difficult process with a lot more variables and uncertainty surrounding it. Fat loss is very straightforward in theory, the only problem is getting people to apply it in the real world.


"Looking big" is a cope. Look at the studies I linked in the OP; face is king. Body fat percentages above 15% have a resoundingly negative effect on your face.

Yes, it is assumed under any topic that face is still the most important, but I was talking about overall aesthetics outside of that.

 

[Words2_live_bye]

As a 5'6 manlet, i hate the idea of "Just go 2 da gym br0000" since i don't have the height to pull off being muscular. Best i can do is be lean or be somewhat fit.

 

[AlexanderTheGreat11]

maybe you can make some fitness youtube videos and show it to women if you have an elite body

No , Your elite body has to come effortless. Making youtube videos about fitness is too much , The best thing is that you don’t even talk to a girl about your diet or how much time you really spend on the gym

 

[Bangkok or bust]

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I just experienced this firsthand on Photofeeler. Normally, with a standard smiling looking-at-the-camera picture with decent lighting and angle (essentially doing everything I'm supposed to), I score around a 4/10 in attractiveness. A couple days ago, I decided to see what would happen if I used a shirtless bathroom selfie with my normal resting bastard face looking at the phone. Recently, I dieted down to about 10% body fat and have maintained it fairly easily for a bit over a month, and I've been weightlifting for some time, so I have a six-pack that's visible in most lighting and decent muscle and vein definition elsewhere. With 26 votes, I scored a 5.6/10 in attractiveness, with the confidence interval being between 4.5 and 6.7 out of 10. I'm hatfishing in the picture as well, but based on my experience with Photofeeler, the addition of a hat seems to do little if anything to change my attractiveness score.

Now, this experiment doesn't control for confounding variables like facial expression, but those of you who are familiar with the more professional scientific inquiry on the topic should know those variables have very minimal impact, so it's still a valid experiment in my opinion.

So tl;dr abs are cope, definitely get lean if you're looksmaxing but be aware that you'll hit a point of diminishing returns somewhere between 12% and 15% body fat.

I've messaged women on POF using Chads or a bodybuildin.com top 10% guys body with the face cropped out. Women never reply or they ask to see face if they do respond.

Face first > everything else second.

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Now men would wank to a grainy image of a headless cropped out woman with an an average non-fat body that wasn't achieved through years of gym time. They would message and wife request without seeing faces. Escort personal adds often have the womans face blurred out yet they still attract 200 clients each week to fuck them on body shape/type alone. Men care little about face.


"bbbbbb...ut men only want perfect stacey faces"

 

[ionlycopenow]

No , Your elite body has to come effortless. Making youtube videos about fitness is too much , The best thing is that you don’t even talk to a girl about your diet or how much time you really spend on the gym

My sister unironically thought that male body builders just have bodies like that naturally. When I was lean maxxing and dieting properly in order to be low enough bf% she was legit disgusted with me and called me non manly. Women hate any man who tries to "fraud" his genes.

When I stopped giving a shit realizing it's pointless and started to eat normally while going to the gym, I got bigger obviously and sister was impressed but now she was disgusted with me that I no longer had abs. Women are retarded

 

[AlexanderTheGreat11]

My sister unironically thought that male body builders just have bodies like that naturally. When I was lean maxxing and dieting properly in order to be low enough bf% she was legit disgusted with me and called me non manly. Women hate any man who tries to "fraud" his genes.

When I stopped giving a shit realizing it's pointless and started to eat normally while going to the gym, I got bigger obviously and sister was impressed but now she was disgusted with me that I no longer had abs. Women are retarded

Pretty much , Women don’t want men self improving , They want them to look effortlessly. Many don’t realized the hard work that it takes to get ripped and they don’t care either

 

[ionlycopenow]

Pretty much , Women don’t want men self improving , They want them to look effortlessly. Many don’t realized the hard work that it takes to get ripped and they don’t care either

I remember telling her, you realize this is how all those models get abs right, (when dieting and working out), she genuinely tried to argue with me on how that is not true.

 

[Midwestcel]

Its a looks multiplier. All things being equal it would help

 

[Fiddlesticks03]

yea weightlifting is not cope lol

what @Midwestcel said, it's a multiplier

According to a study by UCLA, muscle-bound men report almost 3 times as many sexual partners as men without a muscular physique.
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/Lift-More-Weights-Get-More-Mates-8069?RelNum=8069

It's cope to not weightlift if you want to be masculine.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Manlets who gymcel are only destroying themselves more unless they only do cardio and leanmaxx. A short man with muscles looks ugly as fuck

agreed. even tall fags don't necessarily look appealing to prime(jb-24)females if muscular over lean.

 

[Deleted member 14382]

The reason foids like you when you have abs is because your face gets chiseled too. It has nothing to do with the abs. Few guys know about this.

 

[BodyFat10orRope]

The reason foids like you when you have abs is because your face gets chiseled too. It has nothing to do with the abs. Few guys know about this.

 

[Mainländer]

Face > height > frame >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muscles

 

[Deleted member 21218]

Manlets who gymcel are only destroying themselves more unless they only do cardio and leanmaxx. A short man with muscles looks ugly as fuck

How short is too short for muscles? Im 5'8" and the prospect gymcelling is really starting to wane on me. Ive skipped the gym for like a month and am finding hard to continue, should i just do cardio to leanmaxx?

 

[Vermilioncore]

How short is too short for muscles? Im 5'8" and the prospect gymcelling is really starting to wane on me. Ive skipped the gym for like a month and am finding hard to continue, should i just do cardio to leanmaxx?

Yes just leanmaxx bro it'll look better

 

[Deleted member 6657]

How short is too short for muscles? Im 5'8" and the prospect gymcelling is really starting to wane on me. Ive skipped the gym for like a month and am finding hard to continue, should i just do cardio to leanmaxx?

gymcelling is cope. being short is a death sentence. Maybe you will like gymcelling idk

 

[FukFeminism]

Its a looks multiplier. All things being equal it would help