Serious The Blackpill is Not an Ideology

[AtrociousCitizen]

that Joyce from Ireland prefers potatoes to rice ain't part of any scientific discipline. that's what it means to count data among your discipline. Concluding that potatoes are generally preferred to rice in Ireland is not raw data, it's -- as the verb suggests -- a conclusion. With that in mind let me ask you again, do you really consider data to be part of the blackpill?

But aren't conclusions a part of the scientific method? Data analysis leads to conclusions, and those conclusions are just as important in understanding a phenomenon as the raw data itself. Without conclusions, raw data is meaningless.

And to answer your question, yes, I do believe data is part of the blackpill, for instance, if I did a survey asking 100 women about their height requirements and 80 of them said they required their partners to be 6ft or taller. That would be data (the data would include both my survey responses and the results: the data that 80% of my sample size said they required 6ft or taller). The logical conclusion from that data: the majority of women require taller men.

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

Generally meanings of words are determined by consensus. It's not quite that black and white though, since most people haven't the slightest inkling what, say, mathematics really entails. Be that as it may, I think it's hard to defend the word blackpill is used in accordance with your vision, even by fellow "experts"

Fair point, I can agree with that, but it's important to mention that most words also do not have a very deep philosophical or scientific discussion behind them. A word like "Blackpill" has more to it than what is seen on the surface and to define it simply as ideology is ignoring its complexity and importance as a theory.

 

[Ahnfeltia]

And to answer your question, yes, I do believe data is part of the blackpill, for instance, if I did a survey asking 100 women about their height requirements and 80 of them said they required their partners to be 6ft or taller. That would be data (the data would include both my survey responses and the results: the data that 80% of my sample size said they required 6ft or taller). The logical conclusion from that data: the majority of women require taller men.

It still feels weird to me. It's like saying outcomes of particular experiments are part of physics. I certainly won't deny their importance to physics, but what makes it into physics is prediction "doing so and so experiment under so and so circumstances will yield so and so" right? this is a rather moot point tho.

But aren't conclusions a part of the scientific method? Data analysis leads to conclusions, and those conclusions are just as important in understanding a phenomenon as the raw data itself. Without conclusions, raw data is meaningless.

this is essentially the point I was trying to make, that the value of raw data lies in its extractable potential, and that, once said potential has been extracted, the raw data only really has archival value left.

 

[NIGGER BOJANGLES]

I am tired of the Blackpill being treated as an ideology. It is not an ideology, nor will it ever be one. It is simply a raw representation of reality—nothing more, nothing less. To treat it as anything else would be illogical.

To label the Blackpill as an ideology is contradictory to what it really is and undermines its entire point. By definition ideologies are systems of beliefs - and beliefs, by their very nature, are not necessarily grounded in reality. Ideologies are used as a foundation for societies, economics, and politics, regardless of the veracity and objectivity of the ideas and opinions they include within them.

On the other hand, the Blackpill is simply the truth, and whether you "believe" in it or not, it will remain that. It is there to explain the different dynamics in society and the injustices that we face as a result of biological and evolutionary reasons. It is not based on belief, but on observable reality—much like the laws of physics themselves.

True

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

It still feels weird to me. It's like saying outcomes of particular experiments are part of physics. I certainly won't deny their importance to physics, but what makes it into physics is prediction "doing so and so experiment under so and so circumstances will yield so and so" right? this is a rather moot point tho.

I agree that the data itself is not technically part of the blackpill but serves as the basis for it. But the conclusions and the data are essentially interconnected, like in my example: the logical conclusion is that the majority of women require taller guys, but that conclusion is also a result—and results are a part of the data. This knowledge gives us the ability to predict outcomes with decent accuracy in related experiments.

I guess it's somewhat of a confusing point though, you are right. I suppose the important point that I'm trying to drive home is that the blackpill is an observational thing—it is about the realities themselves. To that extent, the blackpill itself and its subsequent ideas and values that it purports shouldn't be conflated.

 

[Ahnfeltia]

I agree that the data itself is not technically part of the blackpill but serves as the basis for it. But the conclusions and the data are essentially interconnected, like in my example: the logical conclusion is that the majority of women require taller guys, but that conclusion is also a result—and results are a part of the data. This knowledge gives us the ability to predict outcomes with decent accuracy in related experiments.

I guess it's somewhat of a confusing point though, you are right. I suppose the important point that I'm trying to drive home is that the blackpill is an observational thing—it is about the realities themselves. To that extent, the blackpill itself and its subsequent ideas and values that it purports shouldn't be conflated.

except maybe the minutiae of what exactly the blackpill entails, we agree

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

except maybe the minutiae of what exactly the blackpill entails, we agree

 

[aspergillus_rotter]

That is true. No one can disprove the Blackpill because it's simply a reflection of reality. It's not something that can be argued against; it's simply something that exists. It's like trying to disprove the laws of physics.

Don't be a free agent in life -saint rehab

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

Don't be a free agent in life -saint rehab

good quote.

 

[DarkStar]

It's called an ideology, simply for the fact that trying to politicize it discredits it

 

[DieVoGel]

I am tired of the Blackpill being treated as an ideology. It is not an ideology, nor will it ever be one. It is simply a raw representation of reality—nothing more, nothing less. To treat it as anything else would be illogical.

To label the Blackpill as an ideology is contradictory to what it really is and undermines its entire point. By definition ideologies are systems of beliefs - and beliefs, by their very nature, are not necessarily grounded in reality. Ideologies are used as a foundation for societies, economics, and politics, regardless of the veracity and objectivity of the ideas and opinions they include within them.

On the other hand, the Blackpill is simply the truth, and whether you "believe" in it or not, it will remain that. It is there to explain the different dynamics in society and the injustices that we face as a result of biological and evolutionary reasons. It is not based on belief, but on observable reality—much like the laws of physics themselves.

Blackpill is the truth but once you realize the blackpill you can go two routes. You can become an incel who keeps dwelling on the facts of the blackpill or become whitepilled and accept its over and improve other aspects of your life.

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

It's called an ideology, simply for the fact that trying to politicize it discredits it