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The Black Pill - The Post Too Contraversial for r/purplepilldebate



Nov 13, 2017
(This post was meant for the listed subreddit, so forgive any dialogue inconsitencies and link format)

The majority of discussions on here are contingent on two important details. 1. Although women have superficial tastes, a good personality (whenever it be Blue Pill's "be legitimately nice!" or Red Pill's "Just be confident bro.") can make up for this in most men. 2. Most men can self-improve from an an unattractive man to an attractive man. These beliefs are appealing, because they allow everyone to believe that they can become a pussy slayer if they just believe in themselves, and its also a convenient excuse to shit on...I mean, "give advice" to men who have given up on increasing their SMV.

But I will contend that both of these notions are false. Saying women are attracted primarily to "personality" is ignorant of the selection of evolutionary traits that objectively determine genetic health. It is also ignorant of the biological limits placed on our mind that prevent the vast majority of men from achieving their hopes and dreams. 

Incels aren't just whiners who can't get laid. While Blue/Red Pill have anecdotes, we have factual studies to back our points.


Looks actually matter. I know everyone has their anecdotes of fat guys who slay supermodels, but they're nothing more than that: anecdotes. According to a recent study [women and their mothers prefer attractive mates over unattractive mates with even the best personality.](https://www.livescience.com/58607-mens-looks-may-matter-more-than-personality.html) Indeed, presence of high cheekbones, hunter eyes, defined brow ridge, prominent chin and other conventionally attractive traits indicate high testosterone, which is responsible for disease immunity, risk taking, and sexual dimorphism. [Women are attracted to high testosterone faces more than low testosterone.](https://cosmosmagazine.com/biology/women-are-attracted-men-healthy-faces) Women are also attracted to muscular partners for [short-term relationships](https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/muscular-men-attract-women), although being too sexually successful may mean he won't provide for her offspring (Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks).

However, this does not mean women judge men on a bell curve. According to the infamous OkCupid study, women rate 80% of men [below average](https://theblog.okcupid.com/your-looks-and-your-inbox-8715c0f1561e). These findings were replicated by Tinder, when women only swiped right on [14% of profiles.] (https://www.cnet.com/news/tinder-plus-men-women-swiping/)Furthermore, certain races are more attractive to women generally than others, with Black/Asian men heavily penalized be all races besides [their own](https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-2009-2014-107dcbb4f060). Height is also a vital component. One study found that men significantly taller than a woman were [10 times as likely to have their profile browsed.](http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/09/these-are-top-deal-breakers-online-dating-according-sociologists)

Women also don't generally give ugly guys a chance. Women, in general, [are even less attracted to obese men than men are to obese women](https://i.imgur.com/cjbFsOZ.png). All factors being equal, [women were 400 times less likely to browse the profile of a man significantly older than herself](http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/09/these-are-top-deal-breakers-online-dating-according-sociologists). So much for aging like wine.

As stated, looks are for the most part, [your personality](https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/0*S-8DsgmWHAqjAPoL.png). Being attractive creates a ["Halo Effect"](https://peopletriggers.wordpress.com/2010/07/31/the-halo-effect/) that further increases your alleged "personality". Suffice to say, many women will look at an ugly man, and assume he has a "ugly personality", regardless of what his personality is actually like.

Can you increase your physical attractiveness? Baring facial surgery, evidence points that most attempts to stick to diet/exercise plans fail. Among people who have experienced significant weight loss, [80% will gain it all back.](http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/82/1/222S.long) A meta-study of numerous studies generally indicates that [dieting doesn't work](http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/Dieting-Does-Not-Work-UCLA-Researchers-7832). An online survey of by bodybuilding.com found 73% of people [gave up](https://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2013-100k-transformation-contest-press-release.html) on their fitness goals, with an average of four failed resolutions in the past. Yeah, I'm sure calling them a fat, quitting, loser pussy is really going to change these results. But our current reality is that people, despite health, social, and sexual motivations, will fail to improve their body's physical attractiveness. 


Cold hard cash can warm a woman's heart. OkCupid found men were significantly more likely to gain female messages as they [made more money](http://www.tinderseduction.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/MaleMessageDistributionByIncomeBright.png). Money and status are often interlinked, and studies of worldwide mate patterns indicate [ambition, wealth, and social dominance are more desired in men than in women](http://web.simmons.edu/~turnerg/MCC/Matechoice2PDF.pdf). Women respond to sexual imagery better when used to display an [expensive product over a cheap one](http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797613502732). Women are more attracted to men who attract women [literally only because they can attract other women](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232494640_Radiating_beauty_Effects_of_having_a_physically_attractive_partner_on_person_perception)

To what extend can one improve one's wealth and status? For wealth, IQ can be responsible for as much as a [40% correlation with income or even higher](https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/02/11/the-incredible-correlation-between-iq-income/) Meanwhile, IQ is considered by some sources like the American Psychological Association to be [75% heritable](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ). This creates a very real barrier for men who want to "self-improve" themselves into a hot gold digger. And since Looks and Money are often correlated with status, it can be difficult to make gains there either, especially if you are literally autistic, and literally unable to grasp social cues others can do with ease.


Most personality traits that women actually seek out have nothing to do with being a generally likeable, "legitimately kind" guy. [Women are less attracted to men who smile] (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/between-the-lines/201105/study-finds-smiling-men-are-less-attractive-women) and are not attracted to men who are ["responsive" to their emotions](http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0146167214543879) Women are also often attracted to "Dark Triad" personality traits, given the named because [they are anti-social behaviors which one would think would have been filtered out by evolution](https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/insight-therapy/201708/confused-about-successful-jerks-get-know-the-dark-triad)

Confidence and humor are the last refuges for the Blue Pilled mind. However, while its true these are attractive to women, these are not universally attractive traits for both sexes. Confidence indicates ["willingness to succeed"](http://www.dnaindia.com/health/report-testosterone-can-boost-confidence-in-men-2421864) and ["risk-taking"](http://www.caltech.edu/news/testosterone-makes-men-less-likely-question-their-impulses-55864), both of which indicate testosterone in the body. To the extent that men do want a woman who likes herself and exciting in life, it is hardly as needed for women, nor is it proof against women's nature to seek out high-status, dominate men. In fact, women are attracted to dominate men [down to their scent](http://www.economist.com/node/4149493). Seeking out humor is also seeking out genes indicating [low stress, social skills, and intelligence](https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/11/plight-of-the-funny-female/416559/) - which explains why men are not actually attracted to funny women. 

While The Red Pill is more likely to acknowledge the biological origins of these traits, I have yet to see one of them post a study about how successful we are at changing them in the long-term, especially among males who are on the bottom of LMS. [40-60% of the big five personality traits is hertiable.](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/14425701_Heritability_of_the_Big_Five_Personality_Dimensions_and_Their_Facets_A_Twin_Study) Given what we know about other aspects of human nature, such as inability to lose weight or abstain from sex, I'm highly skeptical most people can get laid significantly more often by changing their personality over a long period of time.


While this data may seem inaccurate, given that most men will lose their virginity, this does explain why many marriages these days end in divorce. As women lose their financial dependence on men, they become increasingly less willing to maintain their marriage with their husband - [women are 38% more likely to divorce when they make more than their husband](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1310275/High-earning-wives-likely-end-divorce.html). Given what we already know about women's LMS hypergamy, this economic balancing seems to be the cause of the death of marriage, and has nothing to do with either feminism, patriarchy, or Jews. And as men in marriages struggle to maintain them, men who couldn't enter one in the first place (Incels) will likely battle higher standards than ever.

It is nice to believe that those loser virgins who can't get laid are entirely at fault for their problems. It also feels good to post a meme laughing at fat Americans, or to think you love your partner just because they're a good person. But in the end, we are still animals, wired to our biology as much as anything else. And as we stray away from our ancestral, evolved environment, more and more maladaptive behaviors and challenges will arise because we were not built for modern lifestyle. Some of us won't be able to resist high-nutrient food, some will not get over their in-group preference, and some genetically inferior men won't get laid for years after their peers, if at all.
With what bullshit reason was it removed?
Wearacombl said:
With what bullshit reason was it removed?

None given, but probably Incel "whining". Yknow, with "scientific studies" about "human nature".

Theyd rather listen to a Chad's anecdotes than an Incel's 3-hours of research.
And this is why nature has given us the ability to go ER
Great post, what a shame it got removed. Cucks can't handle the truth.
Normies don't wana hear about black pills because they would have to admit that problem is their face and there is nothing they can do about it.

This is why they mention personality, because you can improve your personality

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