Experiment [The Apple Test] This Can't Be Real Right?, Everybody Can Imagine Things In Detail Right? (This Has to Be Some Meme/Joke)

[BlkPillPres]

Turns Out Not Everyone Can Picture Things In Their Mind And Sorry, What?

Oh no, I just got over the whole "not everyone has an inner-monologue" thing.

junkee.com

Close your eyes and imagine and apple, what do you see?

I stumbled upon this randomly and this has to be some kind of "internet joke" thing, it doesn't make sense, being able to "imagine" is something all humans can do, there's no way something this fundamental to "consciousness" could be this different among humans.

For me it's a 1 and I just think it has to be a 1 for everyone, I can even dynamically change the colours of the apple or change the apple into something else, it's your own mind, there's no way this is legit.

Why am I so late to this meme.

Someone in a twitter post about this linked to this reddit thread:

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Aphantasia/comments/cpwimq/ball_on_a_table_visualization_experiment/


Ball on a Table - Visualization Experiment

All credit goes to u/Caaaarrrl for this experiment.

Try this: Visualise (picture, imagine, whatever you want to call it) a ball on a table. Now imagine someone walks up to the table, and gives the ball a push. What happens to the ball?
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Now, answer these questions:
What color was the ball?
What gender was the person that pushed the ball?
What did they look like?
What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else?
What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of?

And now the important question: Did you already know, or did you have to choose a color/gender/size, etc. after being asked these questions?

For me, when asked this, I really just sort of conceptualize a ball on a table. Like, I know what that would look like, and I know that if a person pushed it, it would probably roll and fall off the edge of the table. But I'm not visualizing it. I'm not building this scene in my mind. So before being asked the follow up questions, I haven't really even considered that the ball has a color, or the person a gender, or that the table is made of wood or metal or whatever.

This is contrasted when I ask other people this same thing, and they immediately have answers to all of the follow up questions, and will provide extra details that I didn't ask for. IE, It was a blue rubber ball about the size of a baseball, and it is on a wooden, oval shaped table that's got some scratches on top, etc. That's how I know that the way they're picturing this scene is different and WAY more visual than how I am.

I like to think of it as "visualizing" vs "conceptualizing". I don't think of it as a disability or something to be freaked out about, though it is definitely strange to think about. It isn't a hindrance for me at all, I have excellent spatial reasoning and a really good memory, and I'm good at abstract thought, I just think about things differently than most other people."





Guys, this shit can't be real, it's blowing my fucking mind, this can't be real.

 

[trying to ascend]

2

 

[mentally lost cel 1]

What’s this bro

 

[pixy.DARKMEATURKEY]

1.

Who can't imagine shit in their head

 

[Ika-Sama]

I remember when I found out that 50% of people in the world can only think in terms of shapes and sounds in their head, lmao.

 

[BlkPillPres]

1.

Who can't imagine shit in their head

That's what I'm saying, this has to be joke, imagination is too essential to "being human" for this to make sense. It seems like some kind of "inside joke" thing because I'm seeing tweets from people saying they can't visualize the apple.

 

[ItsOver4cel]

in all honesty it wouldn't surprise me since most people irl are NPCs completely incapable of individual thought

not being able to imagine an apple would be the least of their problems

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Turns Out Not Everyone Can Picture Things In Their Mind And Sorry, What?

Oh no, I just got over the whole "not everyone has an inner-monologue" thing.

junkee.com

Close your eyes and imagine and apple, what do you see?

View attachment 548995

I stumbled upon this randomly and this has to be some kind of "internet joke" thing, it doesn't make sense, being able to "imagine" is something all humans can do, there's no way something this fundamental to "consciousness" could be this different among humans.

For me it's a 1 and I just think it has to be a 1 for everyone, I can even dynamically change the colours of the apple or change the apple into something else, it's your own mind, there's no way this is legit.

Why am I so late to this meme.

Yes it's called aphantasia. Sadly I have it too

 

[BlkPillPres]

Yes it's called aphantasia. Sadly I have it too

So you can't dream?

Or is it like your brain is now able to "do the simulations" while you are "powered down"?

 

[gimmedatrope999]

Interesting. This reminds me of the people who say they don’t have an inner dialogue.

 

[trying to ascend]

Yes it's called aphantasia. Sadly I have it too

So, even after seeing the image, you can't imagine/visualize it on your own head it?

 

[tang ping]

tfw cant even imagine having a gf

 

[BlkPillPres]

Interesting. This reminds me of the people who say they don’t have an inner dialogue.

Come on dude, you're joking, what do you mean, people who can't hear their own voice in their head?

 

[Transcended Trucel]

So you can't dream?

Or is it like your brain is now able to "do the simulations" while you are "powered down"?

I can kind of feel or simulate an image. But I don't see it like a JPEG file

So, even after seeing the image, you can't imagine/visualize it on your own head it?

Yes I can only somewhat feel an image but not actually see it at all.

 

[ass2ass]

shit this is fucking cringe
aphantasia doesnt exist
the limits of language end at the boundaries of your sensory inputs
do you “hear” your thoughts? you wouldnt describe it as hearing them the same way you hear things outside your sensory body
the same way you can generate a thoughtform and “see” a red apple
its just low iq niggers using language like niggers

this post was made by wittgenstein gang

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Come on dude, you're joking, what do you mean, people who can't hear their own voice in their head?

Like 20-30% if people don't have an internal monologue.

 

[gimmedatrope999]

Come on dude, you're joking, what do you mean, people who can't hear their own voice in their head?

People With No Internal Monologue Explain What It's Like In Their Head

People With No Internal Monologue Explain What It's Like In Their Head

www.google.com

 

[Transcended Trucel]

https://medium.datadriveninvestor.c...r-monologue-and-i-am-one-of-them-1c47a0e8b48a

 

[BlkPillPres]

Like 20-30% if people don't have an internal monologue.

https://medium.datadriveninvestor.c...r-monologue-and-i-am-one-of-them-1c47a0e8b48a

People With No Internal Monologue Explain What It's Like In Their Head

People With No Internal Monologue Explain What It's Like In Their Head

www.google.com

I don't even know what to do right now, I have this "eerie feeling" like reality feels "off" now lol.

This whole NPC meme thing is making more and more sense.

 

[Lolimancer]

Come on dude, you're joking, what do you mean, people who can't hear their own voice in their head?

I can use an inner voice if I want to but usually I just skip it and think in sensory inputs directly

 

[BlkPillPres]

do you “hear” your thoughts? you wouldnt describe it as hearing them the same way you hear things outside your sensory body

Yes you would, I'm literally projecting my voice right now as I type this out, reading each word back to myself.

its just low iq niggers using language like niggers

This is ironic.

 

[ass2ass]

Yes you would, I'm literally projecting my voice right now as I type this out, reading each word back to myself.


This is ironic.

brainless sissy

 

[pixy.DARKMEATURKEY]

sissy

 

[Despondent Dreamer]

1 tbh, I can construct whole scenes in pretty good detail tbh, provided it's a location I've seen before, or based upon a combination of places that I've been.

 

[BlkPillPres]

1 tbh, I can construct whole scenes in pretty good detail tbh, provided it's a location I've seen before, or based upon a combination of places that I've been.

Maybe this shit is the reason why some people become "great artists" and others end up being mediocre?

Maybe this is an aspect of "talent" in art, being able to visualize in detail.

The ball on table experiment was even weirder to me, It's so weird that some people can't do this, this just sounds like brain damage to me.

Ball on a Table - Visualization Experiment

All credit goes to u/Caaaarrrl for this experiment.

Try this: Visualise (picture, imagine, whatever you want to call it) a ball on a table. Now imagine someone walks up to the table, and gives the ball a push. What happens to the ball?
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Now, answer these questions:
What color was the ball?
What gender was the person that pushed the ball?
What did they look like?
What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else?
What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of?

And now the important question: Did you already know, or did you have to choose a color/gender/size, etc. after being asked these questions?

For me, when asked this, I really just sort of conceptualize a ball on a table. Like, I know what that would look like, and I know that if a person pushed it, it would probably roll and fall off the edge of the table. But I'm not visualizing it. I'm not building this scene in my mind. So before being asked the follow up questions, I haven't really even considered that the ball has a color, or the person a gender, or that the table is made of wood or metal or whatever.

This is contrasted when I ask other people this same thing, and they immediately have answers to all of the follow up questions, and will provide extra details that I didn't ask for. IE, It was a blue rubber ball about the size of a baseball, and it is on a wooden, oval shaped table that's got some scratches on top, etc. That's how I know that the way they're picturing this scene is different and WAY more visual than how I am.

I like to think of it as "visualizing" vs "conceptualizing". I don't think of it as a disability or something to be freaked out about, though it is definitely strange to think about. It isn't a hindrance for me at all, I have excellent spatial reasoning and a really good memory, and I'm good at abstract thought, I just think about things differently than most other people."

 

[FuRed]

this just sounds like brain damage to me.

Sadly I don't think this is far from the truth.

I mean I can do this, but I used to be able to do it way better when I was younger before severely traumatic shit happened to me years ago.
[UWSL]Could be the same for @Transcended Trucel , I don't know[/UWSL]

 

[Deleted member 34772]

Maybe this shit is the reason why some people become "great artists" and others end up being mediocre?

Maybe this is an aspect of "talent" in art, being able to visualize in detail.

The ball on table experiment was even weirder to me, It's so weird that some people can't do this, this just sounds like brain damage to me.

I can vizualize things in my head just fine (#1) but am still terrible at art. Seeing a picture in my head doesn’t translate to being able to draw it.

But yeah some people just cannot visualize objects nor do they have an inner monolgue.


View: https://youtu.be/_OJ3c-AR6eI

This foid says she “sees” her inner monologue rather than “hearing” it.

 

[pixy.DARKMEATURKEY]

brainless sissy

@FamilyGuy1999 can't relate but @Broly can

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Sadly I don't think this is far from the truth.

I mean I can do this, but I used to be able to do it way better when I was younger before severely traumatic shit happened to me years ago.
[UWSL]Could be the same for @Transcended Trucel , I don't know[/UWSL]

I maybe brain damaged. During my time at the homeless shelter 15+ years ago. I was always very stressed and had shit diet. Had insomnia for years daily too. Wouldn't be surprised if my brain got damaged from all that.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I maybe brain damaged. During my time at the homeless shelter 15+ years ago. I was always very stressed and had shit diet. Had insomnia for years daily too. Wouldn't be surprised if my brain got damaged from all that.

Dude you are a 6 figure earner, you aren't brain damaged at all lol.

 

[pixy.DARKMEATURKEY]

Dalit cope

ironic coming from you, the notorious dalit coper

 

[Ika-Sama]

Does it count if you can only visualize the apple with your eyes open? (When the apple is not in front of you)

 

[FamilyGuy1999]

@FamilyGuy1999 can't relate but @Broly can

Dalit cope, I’m a giga sissy male

lifefuel for @brolylover69

 

[Deleted member 5333]

I can do both, hear the image and talk to myself

 

[BlkPillPres]

Does it count if you can only visualize the apple with your eyes open? (When the apple is not in front of you)

If you can do it with your eyes open you can do it with your eyes closed, it's the same thing lol.

 

[Deleted member 35171]

With every question I had to close my eyes again and add detail to the picture
Sometimes even completely change the angle and the point of view to include more detail (such as the face of the person pusing the ball)

Ended up with a masked witchdoctor dressed in black looking over his shoulder upwards at the camera, standing at an old wooden table and pushing a tinted crystal ball

 

[Deleted member 38579]

doesn't literally everyone imagine sex when they masturbate when they can't use porn, specially years ago when INTERNET porn wasn't that mainstream?

also i could imagine an apple and the table meme just right. red ball, baseball size, white man medium sized hand, light brown colored table with some shining on it with rectangular shape, the guy drags the red ball but can only see his arm, i can even imagine the entire body if i want to.
as a side note, i envy people that have capacity to memorize what they think better, like there's literally people that don't need to study anatomy fundamentals because they can imagine and keep memory of the anatomy and draw what they think accurrately. see for example they can imagine a tiger, and that alone is enough for them to be able to draw a well drawn tiger, without studying the anatomy of the tiger in books.

 

[PPEcel]

fascinating

 

[Restart80]

Like 20-30% if people don't have an internal monologue.

That's fucking creepy

There are people out there who lack internal monologue? I talk to myself 1000x more than to any other person.

Turns Out Not Everyone Can Picture Things In Their Mind And Sorry, What?

Oh no, I just got over the whole "not everyone has an inner-monologue" thing.

junkee.com

Close your eyes and imagine and apple, what do you see?

View attachment 548995

I stumbled upon this randomly and this has to be some kind of "internet joke" thing, it doesn't make sense, being able to "imagine" is something all humans can do, there's no way something this fundamental to "consciousness" could be this different among humans.

For me it's a 1 and I just think it has to be a 1 for everyone, I can even dynamically change the colours of the apple or change the apple into something else, it's your own mind, there's no way this is legit.

Why am I so late to this meme.

Someone in a twitter post about this linked to this reddit thread:

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Aphantasia/comments/cpwimq/ball_on_a_table_visualization_experiment/


Ball on a Table - Visualization Experiment

All credit goes to u/Caaaarrrl for this experiment.

Try this: Visualise (picture, imagine, whatever you want to call it) a ball on a table. Now imagine someone walks up to the table, and gives the ball a push. What happens to the ball?
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Now, answer these questions:
What color was the ball?
What gender was the person that pushed the ball?
What did they look like?
What size is the ball? Like a marble, or a baseball, or a basketball, or something else?
What about the table, what shape was it? What is it made of?

And now the important question: Did you already know, or did you have to choose a color/gender/size, etc. after being asked these questions?

For me, when asked this, I really just sort of conceptualize a ball on a table. Like, I know what that would look like, and I know that if a person pushed it, it would probably roll and fall off the edge of the table. But I'm not visualizing it. I'm not building this scene in my mind. So before being asked the follow up questions, I haven't really even considered that the ball has a color, or the person a gender, or that the table is made of wood or metal or whatever.

This is contrasted when I ask other people this same thing, and they immediately have answers to all of the follow up questions, and will provide extra details that I didn't ask for. IE, It was a blue rubber ball about the size of a baseball, and it is on a wooden, oval shaped table that's got some scratches on top, etc. That's how I know that the way they're picturing this scene is different and WAY more visual than how I am.

I like to think of it as "visualizing" vs "conceptualizing". I don't think of it as a disability or something to be freaked out about, though it is definitely strange to think about. It isn't a hindrance for me at all, I have excellent spatial reasoning and a really good memory, and I'm good at abstract thought, I just think about things differently than most other people."





Guys, this shit can't be real, it's blowing my fucking mind, this can't be real.

I'm the same.

For me it's #1.

And for that second case, I just conceptualize it. I don't visualize everything in detail.

 

[based_meme]

Not only is it 1, but I'm imagining a beautiful naked woman (my ideal) in a garden, with the sounds of birds chirping, give me the apple in a sultry way and I take a juicy bite out of it, not unlike the Adam and Eve story. (What's the point of going through imagining all of this, if I'm not at least going to make it worthwhile and interesting for myself?)

1 tbh, I can construct whole scenes in pretty good detail tbh, provided it's a location I've seen before, or based upon a combination of places that I've been.

Not only this, but I impromptu generate entire back stories when I imagine a scenario play out in great detail. I'm usually in the scenario in some capacity, though not always the "main character." I think that element (having yourself in it) might be essential for the richness of detail, since your brain needs to draw upon it's existing data to help generate probabilistic models of that data being extrapolated aka imagining something within the ball park of real or possible for you and your immediate reality. The next step is to be able to do this without being a subject in the scenario, and this is the realm of excellent fiction storytelling.

 

[BlkPillPres]

That's fucking creepy

Dude, when I saw this apple thing I had goosebumps, this entire thing feels creepy and now I'm seeing there's so many examples like the inner monologue thing, it reminds me of this image:

I can say after this thread I'm less confused about humanity now.

If humans are so drastically different to each other on such a fundamental level, it's no wonder that some people can't be convinced with logic and they base their beliefs and decisions in life on emotion.

Some people literally can't comprehend what you're saying if you are explaining something logically. They can't visualize it, they can't mentally place themselves in the analogies you use or the scenarios you describe, they are incapable of understanding what you are saying even though it's so simple and obvious to you.

They are used to just "feeling" things rather than "experiencing" it.

Go read how the people who say they don't have inner monologues describe life, it's just so weird, they say they just "feel things" but no inner thoughts take place. They don't curse someone out in their mind if they are angry, they just "feel angry".

The people who can't visualize things, they say they just "know the shape of the apple", but they can't see it in their mind, that shit is crazy to me.

Does that mean they can't see the face of their own family members if they try to imagine it?

I can kind of feel or simulate an image. But I don't see it like a JPEG file

Yes I can only somewhat feel an image but not actually see it at all.

Is it different for faces?

Can you see your mothers face if you try to visualize it in your mind (try it with any family member)?

What do you mean by "feel an image", is there no colour and detail, and it's just a "shape"?




I've said some variation of this line in many threads while arguing with other users:

you lack the ability to think abstractly, so you can't even mentally place yourself in someone else's perspective

It all makes sense now. I was saying this thinking that they "aren't trying" but really and truly they were literally just incapable of even doing it.

Some people are just stuck in whatever mental framework they have, they can't change.

Trying to get them to understand what is so simple and obvious to me.

Is like trying to get a person who was born blind to imagine a rainbow.

 

[22yearoldcel]

100% serious I can't picture anything in my brain

 

[Caesercel]

I don't even have to imagine something original. I can recall the apple that I ate just this morning from memory. @To koniec made a similar thread

Cope I’m a tan skin Curly hair med

Shitskin dalit cope

 

[based_meme]

Some people literally can't comprehend what you're saying if you are explaining something logically. They can't visualize it, they can't mentally place themselves in the analogies you use or the scenarios you describe, they are incapable of understanding what you are saying even though it's so simple and obvious to you.

Now you understand my frustrations that I have sometimes.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Dude, when I saw this apple thing I had goosebumps, this entire thing feels creepy and now I'm seeing there's so many examples like the inner monologue thing, it reminds me of this image:
View attachment 549187

I can say after this thread I'm less confused about humanity now.

If humans are so drastically different to each other on such a fundamental level, it's no wonder that some people can't be convinced with logic and they base their beliefs and decisions in life on emotion.

Some people literally can't comprehend what you're saying if you are explaining something logically. They can't visualize it, they can't mentally place themselves in the analogies you use or the scenarios you describe, they are incapable of understanding what you are saying even though it's so simple and obvious to you.

They are used to just "feeling" things rather than "experiencing" it.

Go read how the people who say they don't have inner monologues describe life, it's just so weird, they say they just "feel things" but no inner thoughts take place. They don't curse someone out in their mind if they are angry, they just "feel angry".

The people who can't visualize things, they say they just "know the shape of the apple", but they can't see it in their mind, that shit is crazy to me.

Does that mean they can't see the face of their own family members if they try to imagine it?

Is it different for faces?

Can you see your mothers face if you try to visualize it in your mind (try it with any family member)?

What do you mean by "feel an image", is there no colour and detail, and it's just a "shape"?




I've said some variation of this line in many threads while arguing with other users:

It all makes sense now. I was saying this thinking that they "aren't trying" but really and truly they were literally just incapable of even doing it.

Some people are just stuck in whatever mental framework they have, they can't change.

Trying to get them to understand what is so simple and obvious to me.

Is like trying to get a person who was born blind to imagine a rainbow.

I can feel faces but not actually see an image. Hard to explain. But I can "feel" enough detail to some degree to give away a basic description of the person's face.

 

[totalcel]

basically poor imagination vs rich imagination.

Nikola Tesla had a very rich imagination. He could see detailed pictures of many of his inventions in his mind before he ever set about constructing prototypes. As a result, he didn’t initially prepare drawings and plans for many of his devices.

In a poor imagination it's probably all dull lines and hazy

 

[22yearoldcel]

I can feel faces but not actually see an image. Hard to explain. But I can "feel" enough detail to some degree to give away a basic description of the person's face.

You think us ethnics have algorithmic brains?

 

[Deleted member 21821]

i can sure visualize to grape a peach tho

 

[Transcended Trucel]

You think us ethnics have algorithmic brains?

Maybe. Someone should do a study if this aphantasia affects Ethnics more

 

[22yearoldcel]

Maybe. Someone should do a study if this aphantasia affects Ethnics more

Just look at these ethnics who won major prizes in science

1-abdus salam(paki): he mathematically finished a theory that kikes started and won physics noble.

2-terence tao(rice): again mathematically finished a theory cumskin brit started, won fields medal.

and countless other examples. and fuck my point was ethnic brains can't imagine things our brains are like an algorithm. we can't come up with new ideas.