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Discussion The Abnormal Conditions of Sex & Dating in Western Society: Social Media & Online Dating was the Decisive Blow for Gen Z

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Hypergamy has Hindered the Sexual Prospects of Young Men in Gen Z (Water)

For zoomers, the common method of seeking dates / casual sex partners for Gen Z is mostly through social media. Gen Z is the first generation in history to have “social media services” as the most popular method for searching for a relationship / casual sex partner. The majority of zoomers in western countries who have ever tried to search for a relationship / sex partner, have used a social media service to conduct their search. This is an important fact to consider in the discourse on sexual relations for zoomers and future generations, because it has economic implications that ultimately point towards a rational motivation for zoomer girls (and later alpha girls) to practice hypergamy in their sexual / dating lifestyles

The cost of searching for a sex partner is much higher for normies than it is for men who are +7/10 SMV. There are various factors that pushed towards the current negative skewed distribution of sex in Gen Z, but social media was the decisive blow. As men in general have low / zero standards, online dating has allowed the average woman to be exposed to a large roster of potential male partners who want to meet and fuck her. Ultimately the issue comes down to social media and online dating, because it created the conditions that enabled and motivated women to practice hypergamy on a mass scale. Bluepillers will say social media does not reflect real world affairs. Maybe social media does not reflect real world affairs for Gen X and Millennials. But in the case of Gen Z, it does. There are several statistics on sex, dating and social media activity for Gen Z which show this

Boomers, Gen X and some Millennials are apparently oblivious to the circumstances that have inhibited the sexual prospects of zoomer males in western countries. Instead they criticize the “manosphere” or “redpill/blackpill” for its “toxic ideologies” in spite of the data that shows how zoomer males in western society have become more sex deprived and socially isolated than young men from prior generations. The data is already out there, and the data may be interpreted in various ways, but this much is clear: In western society, there’s an abnormally large proportion of young men in Gen Z who aren’t getting pussy or are getting less pussy, in comparision to young men from prior generations. The “sexlessness crisis” only became a major issue for young men in Generation Z and Millennial. It was not a major issue for young men in Gen X, Boomers, Silent, Greatest or Lost Generations. The stats show that it’s mainly Generation Z and Millennial males in developed countries (East Asia, Europe and North America), who are being affected the most by this phenomenon of “rising sexlessness”

The issue of “male sexlessness” wasn’t a major topic of discussion 10 or 20 years ago, although there were signs around the early 2010s that pointed to a potential “sexlessness crisis” in future. But it was only after COVID started, it became very clear that an unusually large share of zoomer males in western countries were sexless or/and socially isolated for some reason, or they’re not as sexually interactive with women as were the same share of young men from past generations. The data is readily accessible to any competent person who’s willing to do their own research. Many “blackpill” talking points are backed by data collection findings and other research studies that were carried out by certified social research institutes.

Unless you think those social research institutes were also a bunch of “blackpilled incels” and “toxic misogynists” with a “radical agenda that threatens women’s safety”
--- It’s quite evident the issue of “male sexlessness” is not derived by a bunch of “ideologies” or “radical beliefs” exclusive to the “manosphere” or “incelsphere”. The data pretty much indicates that something happened by the time most zoomers in western society became legally adults (over age 18), and whatever it was that happened - It ultimately affected the sexual prospects of an unusually large share of zoomer males in developed countries, in a way that hasn’t been observed in any other generation of young men within the past century


Sexual-Economic Management As A Rational Motivation for Female Hypergamy

I think female hypergamy also involves sexual economy and not just natural motivation. A woman might practice hypergamy in order to efficiently manage the abundance of potential sex partners made available to her, as it might not be practical for her to meet and fuck all men who show interest in her, even if she wanted to. If a female on social media is “swiped right” or “has slides into her DM’s” by hundreds or thousands of male social media users a week, it would be practically impossible for the female user to chat and meet with each and every one of them, even if she wanted. So, a woman who uses social media to search for dates or hookups can be motivated to practice hypergamy as a means of sexual-economic management, due to the excessive amount of options made available to her, and not only because she wants to fuck the ideal man. This can explain why the average woman rejects 85% - 95% of men that she discovers via dating apps. IMO if the woman’s options are restricted enough, she can be deterred from practicing hypergamy. But obviously this will not happen as long as social media exists, along with a surplus of thirsty men, who are willing to meet and fuck any woman they discover on social media sites (Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat etc.) and dating apps (Tinder, Hinge, Bumble etc.)

It’s clear that Gen Z will not cut down on social media use, which means they will continue to use social media services to search for dates and casual sex. As Gen Alpha were also born and raised in the era of social media, social media usage for dating & hookups will probably be the same for Gen Alpha if not higher. So foids in Gen Alpha will have an even stronger motivation than foids in Gen Z to practice hypergamy, because the amount of potential sex partners that will be made available to Gen Alpha foids will be just as excessive as it was for Gen Z foids, if not even higher

At this rate, future generations of young men are likely to end up more sexually oppressed than previous generations of young men. By increasing use of social media services for seeking dates / hookups, and the woman’s inclination to be hypergamous in order to resourcefully manage a surplus of options made available to her in the world of online dating, it’s very likely that only a minority of men in future generations will slay the large share of available females in the sex / dating market, as women tend to have sexual preferences that converge towards a similar ideal (e.g., tall height, good facial bones, no signs of balding or norwooding), rather than sexual preferences that are very diverse in nature. The other majority of young men in future generations will probably be more sexually deprived than young men from prior generations --- As in higher rates of adult male virginity, higher rates of men who spend over a year without sexual contact with the other sex, higher rates of men without a significant other, as well as higher rates of men who have sex infrequently



(Relevant threads and videos below)





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View: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/1ba8g2c/anyone_else_alarmed_by_how_many_gen_z_men_are/
 
That reddit post has so much gaslighting in the replies
 
That reddit post has so much gaslighting in the replies

Reddit mods are overdosed in bluepills so predictably they deleted the original post. Found a save of Reddit OP on Unddit. This is it:
IDK maybe it’s just from my POV but it seems like a lot of men from this generation are struggling. We’re struggling to get good paying jobs or skills, every other post is about someone talking about how they’re a 25YO virgin, and we’re behaving like autistics due to porn, drugs, and isolation.

It just seems like more men are getting shafted from society. Even I’m feeling like I’m falling out of the picture and I had a mostly normal childhood. I’m worried to see where we’re at 60-70 years down the road. Outside of athletes, almost all of Gen z’s celebrities and politicians will be women. Whereas there will be less financially successful Gen z men and drastically more suicides. I’m not anti woman (In trying to escape blackpill thinking) but the future of Gen z men seems a bit alarming and depressing.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/1ba8g2c/comment/ku1aus4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Apparently Gen Z women also have the same problems. But most recent stats from 2023 show there are twice as many sexless Gen Z men as there are sexless Gen Z women. In other words more Gen Z females are in sexual harems that revolve around the same man. But apparently Redditors aren't aware of this


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/1ba8g2c/comment/ku1cybc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
An expected ad-hominem response from Redditor. Fails to directly address the message but ridicules the messenger instead


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/1ba8g2c/comment/ku5b9tq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Therapy NPC meme


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/1ba8g2c/comment/ku0vq1v/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Redpill & survivorship bias. Might work for some, but does not work for all
 
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The social contract has been broken.
 
things are so fucking bad today

we were cheated so much being young in this day and age
 
OP forgot to mention Onlyf@ns, not only w0men don't need man for s3x, but economiclly as well, meaning beta-buxx is also dying.
 
Reddit mods are overdosed in bluepills so predictably they deleted the original post. Found a save of Reddit OP on Unddit. This is it:



View: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/1ba8g2c/comment/ku1aus4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Apparently Gen Z women also have the same problems. But most recent stats from 2023 show there are twice as many sexless Gen Z men as there are sexless Gen Z women. In other words more Gen Z females are in sexual harems that revolve around the same man. But apparently Redditors aren't aware of this


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/1ba8g2c/comment/ku1cybc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
An expected ad-hominem response from Redditor. Fails to directly address the message but ridicules the messenger instead


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/1ba8g2c/comment/ku5b9tq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Therapy NPC meme


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/1ba8g2c/comment/ku0vq1v/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Redpill & survivorship bias. Might work for some, but does not work for all

all they ever do is dance around the bush and ignore the elephant in the room kek when will the normie walls of denial ever collapse
 
who cares? we're not affected by this, only normie man are. If you're ugly, then you never had a chance to begin with. Most gen z are not struggling, it seems like it because we're lonely and so our algorithm pushes people who are also lonely. Also the people who are struggling always complain about it, so we always hear about it. They're a loud minority. There's no evidence to suggest that gen z man are struggling.
 
all they ever do is dance around the bush and ignore the elephant in the room kek when will the normie walls of denial ever collapse
If normies starting to gaslight you from the start of the conversation ignore them, in a rare occasion that a normie engages in a constructive conversation, then speak with him.
 
If normies starting to gaslight you from the start of the conversation ignore them, in a rare occasion that a normie engages in a constructive conversation, then speak with him.
gaslighting normies are the bane of my existence
 
What also needs mentioning is the shrinking dating pool among young generations. We know the stat that 20% of gen-Z is LGBT, what is not mentioned is that most of this 20% is bisexual women, who far outnumber gay/bi men. So there's an increasing pool of women dating other women, further creating an imbalance.
 
who cares? we're not affected by this, only normie man are. If you're ugly, then you never had a chance to begin with. Most gen z are not struggling, it seems like it because we're lonely and so our algorithm pushes people who are also lonely. Also the people who are struggling always complain about it, so we always hear about it. They're a loud minority. There's no evidence to suggest that gen z man are struggling.

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So... the fact that OnlyFans, Tinder, Bumble, and worse has appeared and that hypergamy is rising is not subtle evidence that they are struggling...? I literally see Whites mogging by 2 points their "partner". One day I even saw a short MTN with a Black woman... can't imagine his desperation to go for a Black (ugly) woman...

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Plus we all know future is Japan. And future of Japan is self destruction.

We are not affected? :feelskek: We are the MOST affected, being precisely at the bottom of SMV :feelskek: I get deathstares from foids.
 
What also needs mentioning is the shrinking dating pool among young generations. We know the stat that 20% of gen-Z is LGBT, what is not mentioned is that most of this 20% is bisexual women, who far outnumber gay/bi men. So there's an increasing pool of women dating other women, further creating an imbalance.

Oh yes also, to complete what I said above, let's look at these graphs:

Same sex marriage opinion
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They are turning gay/trans to cope.
 
What also needs mentioning is the shrinking dating pool among young generations. We know the stat that 20% of gen-Z is LGBT, what is not mentioned is that most of this 20% is bisexual women, who far outnumber gay/bi men. So there's an increasing pool of women dating other women, further creating an imbalance.
Shit... didn't see this one coming... although should have been expected (women are all bisexual by nature). Yes I knew it they'll fuck another foid before an incel!! It's over. Either their rights are removed now or society is FINISHED.
 
Instead they criticize the “manosphere” or “redpill/blackpill” for its “toxic ideologies”
Love how these faggot retards manage to blame the ones who are basically just describing the situation JFL normies are apes leftists are brain damaged kids
 
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So... the fact that OnlyFans, Tinder, Bumble, and worse has appeared and that hypergamy is rising is not subtle evidence that they are struggling...? I literally see Whites mogging by 2 points their "partner". One day I even saw a short MTN with a Black woman... can't imagine his desperation to go for a Black (ugly) woman...
most woman have never used a dating app their entire life. Only 27% of woman in the US have EVER used a dating app, and people who are LGBTQ are more likely to use dating apps, so out of that 27%, about 15-20% is straight woman.
source: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/02/key-findings-about-online-dating-in-the-u-s/

"I saw a white guy with a black woman so that's proof of hypergamy!!"
This is anecdotal evidence + not every man cares about looks, i personally would take an ugly woman who's kind over a 10/10 + you don't even know if they were dating, you just saw them next to each other and assumed they did.

is there any proof that hypergamy has increased over the previous generations? Woman have always wanted man who are superior than them, this is nothing new. I would actually say, their standards have decreased. You will see woman date complete bums and even pay their rent. This was unheard of 30 years ago.
correlation doesn't mean causation. As I said, about 20% of straight woman have EVER USED a dating app. I believe the reason for male virginity rising is because of: 1) the shit economy and the focus on education. Many man after they turn 18, they either focus on education and spend all day studying or they get a job slaving away all day.
2) Too many distractions. Man in the past either had the choice of staring at a wall or going out and getting bitches. Today we have social media and videogames which are highly addicting. Nobody likes getting out of their comfort zone, so most man, instead of going and asking girls, they spend all day doom scrolling or any other form of distraction that brings them comfort.
 
Oh yes also, to complete what I said above, let's look at these graphs:

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They are turning gay/trans to cope.
The diff between zoomers and millenials is subtle until you look at bisexual rate. Then when you realize it's 90% foids you realize how fucked zoomers are. "Equality attracted to both sexes" for a foid means "I like chad and if not chad I will find another foid". Millenial foids often "settle" for sub-5 men once they realize chad no longer wants to fuck them. Zoomer foids are the same except they "settle" for a foid instead, leaving sub-5 men sexless.
 
who cares? we're not affected by this, only normie man are. If you're ugly, then you never had a chance to begin with. Most gen z are not struggling, it seems like it because we're lonely and so our algorithm pushes people who are also lonely. Also the people who are struggling always complain about it, so we always hear about it. They're a loud minority. There's no evidence to suggest that gen z man are struggling.
Gen Z is the first generation in history to have a majority partake in online dating. Yet the average female user rejects 85% to 95% of male profiles on sight, compared to the average male who rejects up to 50% of female profiles. Also Gen Z have achieved record-breaking rates of adult virginity. Between 40% to 50% of Gen Z male adults ages 18 - 20 in the US were reported virgins and had zero experience of romance with females in their teenage years (Data Psychology, 2023; American Survey Center, 2024)

If the majority of Gen Z men aren’t struggling… Maybe you have another explanation for why the majority of Gen Z males are single in the western world? Social media is the most popular method for zoomers who have attempted to search for a date / casual sex partner. So why are most men rejected on sight by women in online dating?


most woman have never used a dating app their entire life. Only 27% of woman in the US have EVER used a dating app, and people who are LGBTQ are more likely to use dating apps, so out of that 27%, about 15-20% is straight woman
For online dating, you should remember Gen Z have the highest rate of participation in online dating. The stats say ±25% of women have used a dating app before. But these stats are only for apps that are designated to online dating, like Tinder, Bumble etc. You also have to consider the untold figure for dates and hookups that were made through “pseudo-dating apps”, aka social media apps that can be used to emulate online dating as a non-dating app, such as Instagram, Snapchat, Discord, Twitter, Facebook etc. I can only speculate, but I’m confident that if the data on women who have used a social media service to search for dates / casual sex partners included women on “pseudo-dating apps” and not only designated dating apps, the stats for women would be much higher than 25%


You will see woman date complete bums and even pay their rent. This was unheard of 30 years ago.
Anecdotal evidence. Plus I'd bet it actually was heard of 30 years ago


1) the shit economy and the focus on education. Many man after they turn 18, they either focus on education and spend all day studying or they get a job slaving away all day
This is a poor argument. University campus is literally the best place for young adults to find dates or casual sex partners also while in education. For young male adults in internships, they may not have many opportunities to meet new females depending on what industry they work. But for men who are enrolled in university course while living near campus, they will have countless chances to meet new females. Unless the vast majority of male virgins ages 18 to 20 are not the ones attending university - I can only wonder how or why a Gen Z male can attend university on campus where there's an abundance of young adult females, and still be a virgin at 20

is there any proof that hypergamy has increased over the previous generations
To be fair, there is no hard "proof" or statistics outside of online dating that says women are flocking to a smaller group of men for relationships or casual sex. However the most recent stats on Gen Z singles are a massive sign that hypergamy has increased in Gen Z, compared to prior generations. In the US, nearly 50% of zoomer male adults were reported to have never dated as teenagers. It is double the amount that it was for Boomers and Gen X (American Survey Center, 2024). The most recent data from 2023 shows that 2 in 3 Gen Z men are single, compared to 1 in 3 Gen Z women (Pew Research Center, 2023). Plus the dating pool for heterosexuals is smaller in Gen Z, as more of them are LGBT. Around 20% of Gen Z identify as LGBT, and most of them are unsurprisingly female. Being single can usually be extrapolated as "not frequently having sex" or "having sex occasionally or never"

The ratio of zoomer males to zoomer females in the US is a little more or less than 50%. Thus for the issue of hypergamy: If 2/3 of zoomer men are single, compared to 1/3 of zoomer women --- How do you rationalize the situation of the other 2/3 of non-single zoomer women, as it clearly infers there are more non-single zoomer foids than non-single zoomer men?
 
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Gen Z is the first generation in history to have a majority partake in online dating.
source? Statistics say that 34% of man in the US and 27% of woman have EVER used a dating app. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/02/key-findings-about-online-dating-in-the-u-s/
I'm honestly sick of siting this study, you guys vastly overestimate how many people use dating apps.
Yet the average female user rejects 85% to 95% of male profiles on sight, compared to the average male who rejects up to 50% of female profiles.
thats because the man who go in dating apps are undesirable, most man don't have a need for dating apps. If you have to download a dating app then you're incel. The man in dating apps are either ugly, autistic af and then there's the small percentage of chads who downloaded tinder for easy hook ups.
Also Gen Z have achieved record-breaking rates of adult virginity. Between 40% to 50% of Gen Z male adults ages 18 - 20 in the US were reported virgins and had zero experience of romance with females in their teenage years (Data Psychology, 2023; American Survey Center, 2024)
50% of gen z males between the ages of 18 and 20 are not virgins, the study you're talking about calls any man that didn't have sex after 18 a 'virgin'. If a man had sex at 17 and then they didn't have sex for 2 years then the study would had considered them a virgin.
If the majority of Gen Z men aren’t struggling… Maybe you have another explanation for why the majority of Gen Z males are single in the western world?
shit economy and a focus on education + videogames and social media are big distraction. I already explained this on my reply to cosmicjoke in your thread.
Social media is the most popular method for zoomers who have attempted to search for a date / casual sex partner. So why are most men rejected on sight by women in online dating?
because the man who online date are incel.
For online dating, you should remember Gen Z have the highest rate of participation in online dating. The stats say ±25% of women have used a dating app before. But these stats are only for apps that are designated to online dating, like Tinder, Bumble etc. You also have to consider the untold figure for dates and hookups that were made through “pseudo-dating apps”, aka social media apps that can be used to emulate online dating as a non-dating app, such as Instagram, Snapchat, Discord, Twitter, Facebook etc.
I can only speculate, but I’m confident that if the data on women who have used a social media service to search for dates / casual sex partners included women on “pseudo-dating apps” and not only designated dating apps, the stats for women would be much higher than 25%
bro most people don't meet their partners online, they meet them through connections, school, job etc. There was a study done that says this but I'm too lazy to search it up. You're delusional if you think most people meet their partners on social media and dating apps
This is a poor argument. University campus is literally the optimal place for young adults to find dates or casual sex partners also while in education. For young male adults in internships, they may not have many opportunities to meet new females depending on what industry they work. But for men who are enrolled in university course while living near campus, they will have countless chances to meet new females. Unless the vast majority of male virgins ages 18 to 20 are not the ones attending university - I can only wonder how or why a Gen Z male can attend university on campus where there's an abundance of young adult females, and still be a virgin at 20
poor argument. Yes, university is the optimal place for MAJORITY of young adults to find casual sex partners. There's a small minority of man who completely focus on their studies and don't have the time for that. I brought up this argument as a response to cosmic joke bringing up that 25% of man under 30 had 0 sexual partners after they turned 18. 25% is the minority, just like there is a minority of man on campus who don't have the time to chase bitches because they're doing a hard degree like engineering or something.
To be fair, there is no hard proof outside of online dating that says more women are flocking to a smaller group of men for relationships or casual sex. But the most recent stats on Gen Z singles are a massive sign that hypergamy has increased in Gen Z compared to prior generations. In the US, nearly 50% of zoomer male adults were reported to have never dated as teenagers.
I already explained why I believe this, there's too many distractions for men nowadays and social media has brainwashed a lot of young man into not trying. We literally have 15 yo kids trying to join this forum. We have faggots like @KingChemist here who were incel and as soon as they tried they ascended. I bet if there was study on the percentage of man who asked a girl out, it would be around 50-60%.
It is double the amount that it was for Boomers and Gen X (American Survey Center, 2024). The most recent data from 2023 shows that 2 in 3 Gen Z men are single, compared to 1 in 3 Gen Z women (Pew Research Center, 2023). Plus the dating pool for heterosexuals is smaller in Gen Z, as more of them are LGBT. Around 20% of Gen Z identify as LGBT, and most of them are unsurprisingly female. Being single can usually be extrapolated as "not frequently having sex" or "having sex occasionally or never"

The ratio of zoomer males to zoomer females in the US is a little more or less than 50%. Thus for the issue of hypergamy: If 2/3 of zoomer men are single, compared to 1/3 of zoomer women --- How do you rationalize the situation of the other 2/3 zoomer women, as it clearly infers there are more non-single zoomer foids than non-single zoomer men?
You need to understand that, that study is self reported. What woman consider a relationship and what man consider a relationship is not the same. Woman consider Chad pumping and dumping them a relationship. Chad does not consider that a relationship. If you asked the woman if she's in a relationship with Chad, she would say yes while Chad would say no.
 
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% of US adults who say they have ever used a dating app. See "Ages 18 - 29". Pretty much all people in this age range are Generation Z. The point is, more than 50% of zoomers have used a dating app, according to Pew Research. Gen Z is also the first generation in history to do this

thats because the man who go in dating apps are undesirable, most man don't have a need for dating apps. If you have to download a dating app then you're incel. The man in dating apps are either ugly, autistic af and then there's the small percentage of chads who downloaded tinder for easy hook ups.
The same logic can be applied outside of dating apps. I could say, "Most men who look for women in the outside world or outside of dating app services are undesirable. There's the small percentage of chads who do cold approaches or warm approaches (meeting new girls through mutual friends) for easy hook ups. So its tough for most men inside dating apps and outside dating apps"

I'm not saying this is what I think. I'm saying your argument does not hold without the data that supports it. At best, what you're saying is speculation unless you have non-anecdotal evidence to support it

50% of gen z males between the ages of 18 and 20 are not virgins, the study you're talking about calls any man that didn't have sex after 18 a 'virgin'. If a man had sex at 17 and then they didn't have sex for 2 years then the study would had considered them a virgin.
A statistic from Higher Education Policy Institution (2021) that stated 43% of British Gen Z aged 18 were virgins, and only 1/3 of university students were having sex regularly, compared to 2/3 of university students who had sex either occasionally or never. The statistic was from 2021, and was reported in the Telegraph:


shit economy and a focus on education + videogames and social media are big distraction
Yes they may be factors, but I don't think they are the only factors. You should consider that the rate of sexless women has not changed much, in comparison to the rate of sexless men. But we all know women are always attached to their mobile phones, scrolling through social media posts 24/7, and most young zoomer foids are also in education

So if most zoomer foids are also "doomscrollers" and in education or employment, how do they manage to have sex more often than young men in Gen Z? Maybe you know the secret method, because zoomer girls seem to have it figured out :feelshaha:

25% of man under 30 had 0 sexual partners after they turned 18. 25% is the minority, just like there is a minority of man on campus who don't have the time to chase bitches because they're doing a hard degree like engineering or something
If you exclude men ages 25 - 30 and only account for men ages 18 - 24, the rate of sexless men is much higher, like 40% - 50%. Also the point about "minority of man on campus who don't have time to chase bitches" is a poor excuse

First year is widely known to be the least serious year of university. You can fuck around in our first year of university and still easily pass. I'd argue that you can even fuck around in second year and still pass. It's in third year when you have to put your head down and limit your time socializing or doing recreational stuff. Realistically no more than 20% of males on campus should even be virgins in first year, as it is the most playful year, and first year students are least serious about studies in that year. Yet studies show that between 40% - 50% of uni students ages 18 to 20 were reported virgins, at least in the UK. I think this is the original report:

bro most people don't meet their partners online, they meet them through connections, school, job etc
Times have changed. It may have been this way for Boomers, Gen X and even some Millennials. But it no longer seems the case for zoomers. There are sources that report online dating is now the most popular method for seeking relationships / casual sex. Although your point is correct, it's still a minority of people who meet through online dating . But it is the most popular method, more popular than "through mutual friends" or "at work/school":
most heterosexual couples in the US met each other “online” (39%), followed by “in a bar or restaurant” (27%), then mutual friends (20%), then co-workers (11%) (National Academy of Sciences, 2019)

You need to understand that, that study is self reported. What woman consider a relationship and what man consider a relationship is not the same. Woman consider Chad pumping and dumping them a relationship. Chad does not consider that a relationship. If you asked the woman if she's in a relationship with Chad, she would say yes while Chad would say no
A fair point. Maybe this study did not account for "situationships", otherwise the statistics might have been different. But I could also say that a man is more likely to overstate his sex/relationship life, while a woman is more likely to understate her sex/relationship life. A woman might claim she's single when she's not. A man might claim he's not single when he actually is, in order to save face

social media has brainwashed a lot of young man into not trying
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results. It's better to know the competition, than to play the game without knowing who you're up against, unless you're not concerned about results. I cannot say whether young men are no longer trying, because I do not know. But, I do know that some women approach men who they find attractive. Yet women are probably approached by men more often than men are approached by women

Plus you should consider the danger of "oofy doofies" and "betabux". There are women who will happily accept men as an "oofy doofy" partner rather than a "casual fuck buddy", and men are aware of this. From the outside it might look like a casual BF/GF relationship. But in reality, the BF may be another betabux, and the GF might have a sneaky link behind the scenes who isn't betabux and has rough, pornstar sex with her more often, while BF only gets starfish sex once in a while. What's the point in effortmaxxing and jestermaxxing for breadcrumbs, when there are other men who put in less effort and end up having the whole buffet?
 
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Would rather be in chad's tinder harem than give chance to sub8 let alone incel
 
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% of US adults who say they have ever used a dating app. See "Ages 18 - 29". Pretty much all people in this age range are Generation Z. The point is, more than 50% of zoomers have used a dating app, according to Pew Research. Gen Z is also the first generation in history to do this
half of that (51%) is LGBTQ people, LGBTQ zoomers downloading dating apps is reasonable as finding another gay person in your area is rare. Percentage of STRAIGHT zoomers who have EVER used dating apps is less than 40% and a good amount of those people downloaded tinder because they wanted hook ups, not because they struggled with dating.
The same logic can be applied outside of dating apps. I could say, "Most men who look for women in the outside world or outside of dating app services are undesirable. There's the small percentage of chads who do cold approaches or warm approaches (meeting new girls through mutual friends) for easy hook ups. So its tough for most men inside dating apps and outside dating apps"
no it can't be applied because looking for partners on the outside world is the natural way dating is done, man download tinder as a last resort after they're unable to find a woman on the outside world, not the other way around. Tinder is downloaded after everything else has failed, everything else has failed because they're undesirable.
A statistic from Higher Education Policy Institution (2021) that stated 43% of British Gen Z aged 18 were virgins, and only 1/3 of university students were having sex regularly, compared to 2/3 of university students who had sex either occasionally or never. The statistic was from 2021, and was reported in the Telegraph:
"is that they don’t want to have sex particularly - nearly six in ten (58 per cent) say making friends at university is more important than finding a sexual partner."

"Just 16 per cent declared themselves excited at the prospect of having sex when they became a student"

"Men are more likely than women to report they’ve had more sexual partners. And nearly one in ten of sexual encounters occur during university welcome weeks."

also it says that 34% of man had sex during university while 47% of woman had sex during university, which isn't a big gap. Man and woman alike have started focusing on their education more.
Yes they may be factors, but I don't think they are the only factors. You should consider that the rate of sexless women has not changed much, in comparison to the rate of sexless men. But we all know women are always attached to their mobile phones, scrolling through social media posts 24/7, and most young zoomer foids are also in education

So if most zoomer foids are also "doomscrollers" and in education or employment, how do they manage to have sex more often than young men in Gen Z? Maybe you know the secret method, because zoomer girls seem to have it figured out :feelshaha:
because woman get hit on 24/7, even if they stay inside their house all day doom scrolling, they will still get a dm from some cuck begging for some pussy crumbs. Man don't have the luxury to stay inside their house all day doom scrolling, if you hope to get laid then you need to go out and work for it.
If you exclude men ages 25 - 30 and only account for men ages 18 - 24, the rate of sexless men is much higher, like 40% - 50%.
no it ain't
Also the point about "minority of man on campus who don't have time to chase bitches" is a poor excuse

First year is widely known to be the least serious year of university. You can fuck around in our first year of university and still easily pass. I'd argue that you can even fuck around in second year and still pass. It's in third year when you have to put your head down and limit your time socializing or doing recreational stuff. Realistically no more than 20% of males on campus should even be virgins in first year, as it is the most playful year, and first year students are least serious about studies in that year.
more than 20% of males on campus aren't virgins, as shown by my source above, so your whole argument is invalid. And not everyone is doing some easy pussy ass degree.
Yet studies show that between 40% - 50% of uni students ages 18 to 20 were reported virgins, at least in the UK. I think this is the original report:
its 43% and that includes woman as well. Its probably 20% man and 23% woman in the uk. The source i listed above shows that 12.6% of man in the US between the ages of 20-24 are virgins while 14.3% of woman in the US are virgins. That statistic tho isn't exclusive to university students. It seems that the percentage of virgins gets raised for university students, since they have a focus on education.
A fair point. Maybe this study did not account for "situationships", otherwise the statistics might have been different. But I could also say that a man is more likely to overstate his sex/relationship life, while a woman is more likely to understate her sex/relationship life. A woman might claim she's single when she's not. A man might claim he's not single when he actually is, in order to save face
studies are anonymous so who do they save face from?
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results.
they don't try
It's better to know the competition, than to play the game without knowing who you're up against, unless you're not concerned about results.
if you're normie then the worst thing that's gonna happen is that she says no, woman get disgusted only when a subhuman approaches them.
I cannot say whether young men are no longer trying, because I do not know. But, I do know that some women approach men who they find attractive. Yet women are probably approached by men more often than men are approached by women
woman only approach Chad, most woman expect to be approached.
Plus you should consider the danger of "oofy doofies" and "betabux". There are women who will happily accept men as an "oofy doofy" partner rather than a "casual fuck buddy", and men are aware of this. From the outside it might look like a casual BF/GF relationship. But in reality, the BF may be another betabux, and the GF might have a sneaky link behind the scenes who isn't betabux and has rough, pornstar sex with her more often, while BF only gets starfish sex once in a while. What's the point in effortmaxxing and jestermaxxing for breadcrumbs, when there are other men who put in less effort and end up having the whole buffet?
that whole paragraph is cope. You're trying to rationalize on why woman get into relationships with normie man and the only conclusion you reached was that they're a betabuxx and that they're cheating behind his back. Reality of the situation is, that woman aren't emotionless demons that only care about looks and status. I'm gonna sound bluepilled saying this but personality matters IF you're average looking. If the dude is average looking but he's charismatic and intelligent then he's gonna pull bitches.

Conclusion: Hypergamy is cope, most gen z man aren't virgins, most gen z man outside university regularly have sex and STRAIGHT gen z man don't have dating apps.
 
Yes they probably naturally selected us by not selecting us as a potential sex partner. But that doesn't means that they can't be natural selected..
 
half of that (51%) is LGBTQ people, LGBTQ zoomers downloading dating apps is reasonable as finding another gay person in your area is rare. Percentage of STRAIGHT zoomers who have EVER used dating apps is less than 40% and a good amount of those people downloaded tinder because they wanted hook ups, not because they struggled with dating.
I think you misread the data. Pew Research Center states the study was done between 5th and 17th July 2022. There were 6,034 participants in the survey, and 1,038 of those participants indicated they were LGB. In other words, approx. 17% of the participants were LGB, and 83% of participants were not LGB. When it says “LGB adults are more likely than their straight counterparts to say they’ve ever used a dating app” - This is among the LGB section of the survey sample, and NOT the entire sample of participants. In other words, they are referring to 51% of the 17% of the participants who were LGB, and NOT 51% OF ALL participants in the survey

After you consider this factor, it means around 9% (51% of 17%) of all participants who have used a dating app were LGB, and around 23% (28% of 83%) of all participants who have used a dating app were not LGB. Around 30% of the sample admitted to having used a dating app before, and nearly 2/3 of this sample weren't LGB

Also consider the LGB and non-LGB sections do not separate by age or gender / biological sex; it only separates by sexual orientation. Though Gen Z have the highest rates of LGB people, there’s also a significant proportion of LGB people in Millennials. Basically, zoomers make up nearly half of the LGB population in the US. The other half is comprised of Millennials, Gen X and Boomers, but mostly Millennials. So if you assume the LGB section of the sample is proportional to the LGB population in the US by generation, it means no more than 4.5% of the sample who have used a dating app would've been LGB zoomers

man download tinder as a last resort after they're unable to find a woman on the outside world, not the other way around. Tinder is downloaded after everything else has failed, everything else has failed because they're undesirable
How many men have downloaded Tinder? Maybe you haven’t considered the other possibility: It provides an easier method for high SMV men like Chad to find casual sex partners with less effort. Thus for some men, online dating offers a path of lower resistance, as it allows them to easily find women who are willing to have sex with them, but without having to make the effort to go outside and search for new sex partner

Remember online dating is the most popular method for couples to meet, based on the 2019 report from Natural Academy of Sciences. If you assume normies have better odds of finding a GF or casual sex partner outside of online dating --- Then for online dating to become the most popular method in Gen Z, it means at least one of two things:

a) Chads in Gen Z are receiving more sexual success than Chads from previous generations (higher bodycounts, more frequent sexual intercourse)

b) Zoomer normies are receiving less sexual success than normies from previous generations (lower bodycounts, lower frequency of sexual intercourse, more adult virgins)


Man and woman alike have started focusing on their education more.
You think this explains why nearly 50% of young Gen Z adults in UK universities were reported virgins in 2021? If you compare the rate of adult virgins ages 18 to 20 between Gen Z and Millennials, there are 4x - 5x as many adult virgins in Gen Z as there were for Millennials. The social and economic circumstances of Millennials was not much different to Gen Z. Millennials were also raised in an age of social media age, although it was somewhat more ancient (e.g., MSN, AOL, Myspace, Facebook etc.). Many Millennials also went into higher education by 18 – 20 and completed their higher education courses after a few years

So unlike Gen Z, how did Millennials manage for the vast majority of them to be non-virgins by 18 – 20, even while they had access to some social media and higher education?

because woman get hit on 24/7, even if they stay inside their house all day doom scrolling, they will still get a dm from some cuck begging for some pussy crumbs. Man don't have the luxury to stay inside their house all day doom scrolling, if you hope to get laid then you need to go out and work for it.
I agree with this, except for the last part. The problem is that there is some evidence to suggest women are innately hypergamous. If women’s options for potential sex partners are vast enough, they will eliminate men from the dating pool by using a criteria that will ultimately cause them to converge towards the same small group of men. This is quite clearly indicated by recent statistics in online dating

I do not know whether men aren’t going outside and doing cold/warm approaches. But in the past, these things used to happen naturally; there was no secret formula. If you have to cold approach women outside, it is already over for you. Because normally, what you would have had instead was a social circle or network, and by meeting the mutual friends of people in your social circle/network, you would have eventually found a GF or casual sex partner. This is known as warm approaching, and the thing about warm approaching is that - IT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN NATURALLY. You dont try to force it to happen. It just happens, like the flowing of water, the gushing of the wind

But it has now become less common, as online dating has surpassed it. Couples meeting through online is more common than couples meeting through mutual friends or people in your social circle. This is a sign that either: (a) Chad is slaying an abundance of pussy that even Chads in previous generations did not have, or (b) warm approach is not working for normies as much as it did in the past

no it ain't
You’re not looking at the most recent data; 2016/2017 is almost half a generation ago. Most of the young adults from this 2016/2017 sample would have been Millennials (born between mid-1980s and early 1990s). Almost none of them would have been Gen Z. So no, my argument is not invalid, as my source is more recent than your source by 5 years

There’s another part of that source which claims 26% of teens ages 15 to 17 had lost their virginity in 2019, in contrast to 38% of teens ages 15 to 17 in 1991. Basically it means the share of teens losing their virginity before 18 has decreased over the past 30 years. All teens in 1991 would have been Gen X, and all teens in 2019 would have been Gen Z

TBH I don’t see why a larger of share of Gen Z than Gen X would be virgins by 18. If zoomer teens have a social circle, they should be able to lose their virginity at the same rate as teens in Gen X. But apparently this was not the case. So are zoomers more socially isolated than teens in previous generations? Or is it that zoomers do have social circles, but zoomer girls are less interested in hooking up with zoomer boys who they meet via mutual friends?

its 43% and that includes woman as well. Its probably 20% man and 23% woman in the uk
Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. I personally think adult males have higher rates of virginity than adult females. But as the source does not seem to separate the adult virgins by sex, I cannot say how many were men or women

studies are anonymous so who do they save face from?
A man’s or woman’s pride might not allow them to admit they are in a certain sexual situation, even if anonymously. And just because a survey claims to be anonymous doesn’t guarantee anonymity. Sometimes a service that is meant to be anonymous may covertly collect personal information of the participants, and there’s no way to tell - Unless something happens that causes people to find out the supposed anonymous service didn’t exactly provide anonymity

To give an example, “anonymity” is a issue with VPN providers, as pretty much all of them promise “privacy protection, no data logs” to their customers. But when federal agencies, like the FBI or NSA, come knocking on their door for data logs, some VPN provides ended up giving away their customers’ data logs to federal agencies. This meant the VPN service lied to their customers, and now their customers have a reason to no longer trust them based on the false promise of “no data logs”. As it turned out their data logs weren’t cleared by the VPN service provider when the FBI or NSA came to investigate

they don't try
Easy for you to say. I could say the opposite, “They do try, but many or most fail”

if you're normie then the worst thing that's gonna happen is that she says no
I've seen examples of normies being publicly ridiculed or accused of sexual harassment for cold approaching a woman. But I think this only happens for a small minority of normies who cold approach. Plus there's "Juggernaut Law" - Normies might deliberately approach lower SMV women because they are deemed easier to pull. The issue with Juggernaut Law is that it correlates with the presence of hypergamy in the dating market. If an increasing rate of normies approach LTBs or subhuman foids, this can happen because of hypergamous conditions in dating

I'm not sure how many normies run Juggernaut Law. But I mentioned it because it relates to the problem with women rejecting men who approach them. If too many HTBs/MTBs reject normies, the normie might have to lower his standards in order to find success with women, which means going for LTBs and subhuman foids. Juggernaut Law leads to unbalanced dating. As it allows many low SMV foids like LTBs and subhuman bitches to hookup / date men who mog them by several points

woman only approach Chad, most woman expect to be approached.
I agree with this, but I don’t see why should it be this way. As woman are so empowered and independent, woman should have the guts to approach normie - Just as normie would approach low-tier Becky or even subhuman foid. So why do women still expect to be approached by normies, as empowered and independent as she has become in modern society?

Reality of the situation is, that woman aren't emotionless demons that only care about looks and status. I'm gonna sound bluepilled saying this but personality matters IF you're average looking. If the dude is average looking but he's charismatic and intelligent then he's gonna pull bitches.
I think women in general, especially Latinas and black foids, do not care about intelligence and charisma. But time will tell. As westernized women have more privileges than they've ever had in history, we’ll all wait and see how western society fares over the long term. Hopefully more women are elected into positions of authority and political power. Then we'll see whether they are emotionless demons that care only for looks and status
 
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I think you misread the data. Pew Research Center states the study was done between 5th and 17th July 2022. There were 6,034 participants in the survey, and 1,038 of those participants indicated they were LGB. In other words, approx. 17% of the participants were LGB, and 83% of participants were not LGB. When it says “LGB adults are more likely than their straight counterparts to say they’ve ever used a dating app” - This is among the LGB section of the survey sample, and NOT the entire sample of participants. In other words, they are referring to 51% of the 17% of the participants who were LGB, and NOT 51% OF ALL participants in the survey

After you consider this factor, it means around 9% (51% of 17%) of all participants who have used a dating app were LGB, and around 23% (28% of 83%) of all participants who have used a dating app were not LGB. Around 30% of the sample admitted to having used a dating app before, and nearly 2/3 of this sample weren't LGB
ok and you need to consider that 79% of gen z that are online daters have used tinder, its not talking about gen z in general. Idk why I didn't catch that earlier.
 

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How many men have downloaded Tinder? Maybe you haven’t considered the other possibility: It provides an easier method for high SMV men like Chad to find casual sex partners with less effort. Thus for some men, online dating offers a path of lower resistance, as it allows them to easily find women who are willing to have sex with them, but without having to make the effort to go outside and search for new sex partner

Remember online dating is the most popular method for couples to meet, based on the 2019 report from Natural Academy of Sciences.
yeah and you yourself said that it's from pseudo dating apps like Instagram. Chad is mostly using Instagram to meet and fuck girls, not tinder. The only chads who download tinder are the extreme coomers who try to fuck as many girls as possible.
If you assume normies have better odds of finding a GF or casual sex partner outside of online dating --- Then for online dating to become the most popular method in Gen Z, it means at least one of two things:

a) Chads in Gen Z are receiving more sexual success than Chads from previous generations (higher bodycounts, more frequent sexual intercourse)

b) Zoomer normies are receiving less sexual success than normies from previous generations (lower bodycounts, lower frequency of sexual intercourse, more adult virgins)
A is not correct, Chad has always slayed. But b is true, zoomers do have less sexual success but not because of hypergamy, I already told you why I believe that is. And it's not a significant amount of zoomers, I would say not being sexually active increased by like 10%.
You think this explains why nearly 50% of young Gen Z adults in UK universities were reported virgins in 2021? If you compare the rate of adult virgins ages 18 to 20 between Gen Z and Millennials, there are 4x - 5x as many adult virgins in Gen Z as there were for Millennials. The social and economic circumstances of Millennials was not much different to Gen Z. Millennials were also raised in an age of social media age, although it was somewhat more ancient (e.g., MSN, AOL, Myspace, Facebook etc.). Many Millennials also went into higher education by 18 – 20 and completed their higher education courses after a few years
it's 43% and it includes man and woman. And you need to understand that the virginity rates increase in university because people focus on education. The source i listed that includes the general population, showed that 28% of the general population were virgins between the ages of 20-24, with 13% being man and 15% being woman.

do you have source that can compare the virginity rate for millennials?

"the social and economic circumstances weren't much different" yes they were wtf are you talking. We're in a economic recession rn and most millennials were mid 20s when the economy crashed in 2008. Because the economy was better back then, there wasn't as much of a focus on education. And people weren't as materialist back then either.
So unlike Gen Z, how did Millennials manage for the vast majority of them to be non-virgins by 18 – 20, even while they had access to some social media and higher education?
vast majority of gen z are also not virgins by the age of 18-20, the 50% of gen z are virgins statistic is talking about how many gen z between the ages of 18 and 20 are sexually active. Around 20% of gen z are virgins between the age of 18 and 20.
I agree with this, except for the last part. The problem is that there is some evidence to suggest women are innately hypergamous. If women’s options for potential sex partners are vast enough, they will eliminate men from the dating pool by using a criteria that will ultimately cause them to converge towards the same small group of men. This is quite clearly indicated by recent statistics in online dating
everyone prefers a partner that's better than them, if you had to choose between your looksmatch and a 10/10 with the same personality, you would choose the 10/10. Thing is though, Chad makes a small percentage of the population. There's not enough Chad's to go around. Most man are normies and for that reason, most woman go with normies.
I do not know whether men aren’t going outside and doing cold/warm approaches. But in the past, these things used to happen naturally; there was no secret formula. If you have to cold approach women outside, it is already over for you.
Because normally, what you would have had instead was a social circle or network, and by meeting the mutual friends of people in your social circle/network, you would have eventually found a GF or casual sex partner. This is known as warm approaching, and the thing about warm approaching is that - IT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN NATURALLY. You dont try to force it to happen. It just happens, like the flowing of water, the gushing
of the wind
how are they going to have a social circle if they dont go outside nigga? Even if you have friends, you need to maintain that relationship by meeting up with them.
But it has now become less common, as online dating has surpassed it. Couples meeting through online is more common than couples meeting through mutual friends or people in your social circle. This is a sign that either: (a) Chad is slaying an abundance of pussy that even Chads in previous generations did not have, or (b) warm approach is not working for normies as much as it did in the past



You’re not looking at the most recent data; 2016/2017 is almost half a generation ago. Most of the young adults from this 2016/2017 sample would have been Millennials (born between mid-1980s and early 1990s). Almost none of them would have been Gen Z. So no, my argument is not invalid, as my source is more recent than your source by 5 years
mid 1980s? :feelskek: :feelskek: nigga that source i showed is talking about man between the ages of 20-24, it would had been between 1993-1997. The study in your source was done in 2020 and released in 2021, there's a 3-4 year difference.
There’s another part of that source which claims 26% of teens ages 15 to 17 had lost their virginity in 2019, in contrast to 38% of teens ages 15 to 17 in 1991. Basically it means the share of teens losing their virginity before 18 has decreased over the past 30 years. All teens in 1991 would have been Gen X, and all teens in 2019 would have been Gen Z
a 12% decrease doesn't mean much when social media is very prevalent and obesity rates have increased significantly.
TBH I don’t see why a larger of share of Gen Z than Gen X would be virgins by 18. If zoomer teens have a social circle, they should be able to lose their virginity at the same rate as teens in Gen X. But apparently this was not the case. So are zoomers more socially isolated than teens in previous generations? Or is it that zoomers do have social circles, but zoomer girls are less interested in hooking up with zoomer boys who they meet via mutual friends?
zoomers are more socially isolated, i see some man crying about muh male loneliness epidemic every 2 seconds. The male loneliness epidemic is completely our fault, as we're not united in the slightest. Most man would kill their parents for some pussy. We see man in the forum say this as well.
A man’s or woman’s pride might not allow them to admit they are in a certain sexual situation, even if anonymously. And just because a survey claims to be anonymous doesn’t guarantee anonymity. Sometimes a service that is meant to be anonymous may covertly collect personal information of the participants, and there’s no way to tell - Unless something happens that causes people to find out the supposed anonymous service didn’t exactly provide anonymity
yeah man the the researchers are gonna publicly announce that Brian is a virgin to the entire campus and then sell the information to the fbi. You're exaggerating things, some man definitely lied but its definitely not a significant amount. There's probably a 5% margin of error.
I've seen examples of normies being publicly ridiculed or accused of sexual harassment for cold approaching a woman. But I think this only happens for a small minority of normies who cold approach. Plus there's "Juggernaut Law" - Normies might deliberately approach lower SMV women because they are deemed easier to pull. The issue with Juggernaut Law is that it correlates with the presence of hypergamy in the dating market. If an increasing rate of normies approach LTBs or subhuman foids, this can happen because of hypergamous conditions in dating


I'm not sure how many normies run Juggernaut Law. But I mentioned it because it relates to the problem with women rejecting men who approach them. If too many HTBs/MTBs reject normies, the normie might have to lower his standards in order to find success with women, which means going for LTBs and subhuman foids. Juggernaut Law leads to unbalanced dating. As it allows many low SMV foids like LTBs and subhuman bitches to hookup / date men who mog them by several points
I run juggernaut law because there would be a power imbalance if I managed to pull a pretty girl. She would feel like she's doing me a favor and see me as her superior. I would prefer to marry a girl that's my looksmatch. But if they both had the same personality then I would take the 10/10.

Most beckies don't reject man from what I see irl, I even see them dating below average man. I believe that if you're below average looking you can ascend, its only over for you if you're sub 5.
I agree with this, but I don’t see why should it be this way. As woman are so empowered and independent, woman should have the guts to approach normie - Just as normie would approach low-tier Becky or even subhuman foid. So why do women still expect to be approached by normies, as empowered and independent as she has become in modern society?
we set the standards for how society should be run. We still try to push the whole "man need to be masculine and providers", even in this forum.
 
ok and you need to consider that 79% of gen z that are online daters have used tinder, its not talking about gen z in general. Idk why I didn't catch that earlier
I’m already aware of this. 79% of users on Tinder as Gen Z doesn’t mean 79% of ALL Gen Z have used Tinder

vast majority of gen z are also not virgins by the age of 18-20, the 50% of gen z are virgins statistic is talking about how many gen z between the ages of 18 and 20 are sexually active. Around 20% of gen z are virgins between the age of 18 and 20.
Read the source again. This is one of the key findings from the 2021 report on Gen Z students in UK universities:
Undergraduate students enter higher education with a range of prior experiences: 43% ‘had never had sex with anyone’, one-quarter (25%) had not ‘intimately kissed anyone’ and 18% were ‘in a long-distance relationship’.
It clearly says, 43% of Undergraduate students “HAD NEVER HAD SEX WITH ANYONE”. The vast majority of undergraduate students are between ages 18 and 21. What other possible way is there to interpret this?

do you have source that can compare the virginity rate for millennials?
For Millennials born between 1989 and 1990, 87.5% of them lost their virginity before 26, and the vast majority of this "87.5% of Millenials" actually lost it before 20. Basically nearly 80% of millennials born between 1989 and 1990, lost their virginity by age 19. The share of Millennials who were virgins by 20 are a small minority

Researchers with the Next Steps project, set up by the Department for Education and managed by University College London, tracked the lives of 16,000 people born between 1989 and 1990 from the age of 14.
Results showed that millennials remain virgins for longer, with 12.5% of them not having sex until the age of 26
Of those who lost their virginity by this age, about 90% did so by 19, while 1% said it happened between the ages of 23 and 26

"the social and economic circumstances weren't much different" yes they were wtf are you talking. We're in a economic recession rn and most millennials were mid 20s when the economy crashed in 2008. Because the economy was better back then, there wasn't as much of a focus on education. And people weren't as materialist back then either.
I’m not sure about them being less “materialist”, but the claim about “there wasn’t as much of a focus on education” is not supported by the data. The share of Millennials with a higher education has surpassed Boomers and Silent Gen. At the rate Millennials are going, they will soon surpass Gen X in their share of higher education graduates. Among the share of Millennials with a higher education degree, close to half of them obtained their degree before 2010. This report was from 2018, and published in 2020:

Millennials are on track to become the most educated generation in the coming years. Educational attainment has increased among young adults in almost every successive business cycle in the last six decades. While about 17.6% of 29-year-olds had at least Bachelor’s degree in the early 1970’s, about 35.3% of 29-year-olds had at least a Bachelor’s degree in the past decade.

About 35.3% of 29-year-olds in 2008-2018 had a college degree, compared to approximately 17.6% in 1970-1973

Millennials lost their virginities at earlier ages than Gen Z. Around 80% of Millennials were not virgins by age 18 - 19. Yet the data shows that many Millennials were in higher education during the 2000s and the 2010s. Millennials are on track to having the highest share of higher education achievers by generation, and a considerable share of Millennials with a higher education degree obtained it before 2010

So I’ll ask again. Unlike Gen Z, how did the vast majority of millennials manage to lose their virginity by 18 – 19, even while in higher education and with access to social media (AOL, MSN, Myspace) albeit more outdated than current social media in Gen Z?

how are they going to have a social circle if they dont go outside nigga? Even if you have friends, you need to maintain that relationship by meeting up with them.
Many long-term social circles/networks are built in social institutions where teens regularly see each other, e.g., school, youth clubs. I guess less zoomers are attending school on campus, or maybe zoomers are socializing less with each other at school?
Many people have met their lifelong friends, and sometimes their future spouses on school campus. I struggle to believe zoomers aren’t socializing with each other at school -- Unless less zoomers are attending school on campus

The source i listed that includes the general population, showed that 28% of the general population were virgins between the ages of 20-24, with 13% being man and 15% being woman.
I see what you’re referring to. And I agree, the vast majority of people are not virgins by 24 - Including people in Gen Z who are currently age 24. However this isn’t my point. My point is that, people in Gen Z are losing their virginities at a later age than people from previous generations. More zoomers are reaching adulthood as virgins, and zoomer males are having lower rates of sexual contact with women in comparison to young adult males from previous generations. Plus I don’t think it’s cause of “muh education and work”, cause Millennials did not have this problem, and many Millennials were also in education or work during the 2000s

zoomers are more socially isolated, i see some man crying about muh male loneliness epidemic every 2 seconds. The male loneliness epidemic is completely our fault, as we're not united in the slightest. Most man would kill their parents for some pussy. We see man in the forum say this as well.
I doubt it is the zoomers fault. Zoomers are too young to be blamed; some of them are still underage. I think accountability lies with Gen X and Boomers, as they are the main predecessors to Gen Z. Boomers, Gen X (and some Millennials) built the world that Gen Z are in today. Gen Z did not create social media, goyslop, and LGBT empowerment programs. Boomers and Gen X did

I run juggernaut law because there would be a power imbalance if I managed to pull a pretty girl. She would feel like she's doing me a favor and see me as her superior. I would prefer to marry a girl that's my looksmatch. But if they both had the same personality then I would take the 10/10.
Maybe you do not see the alternative possibilities. Balanced dating is what would be considered the most egalitarian state of dating for both men and women in the dating market. Looksmatch for looksmatch. Stacy gets Chad only. Becky gets normie only. Subhuman foid gets subhuman man only. Also sex is about power relations, so wouldn’t you have the advantage if you managed to pull a Stacy who saw you as superior to her?

we set the standards for how society should be run. We still try to push the whole "man need to be masculine and providers", even in this forum
Traditionally this is how it is meant to be done. But women were also previously considered property of men. They did not have the privilege to decide how society operates and what policies should govern society. This way, men were able to retain the woman’s loyalty, because the woman’s economic wellbeing depended on it. But through feminism and social welfare, women no longer need a male cohort in order to self-sustain economically and socially. Thus there’s no longer a tangible incentive for a woman to remain loyal to a man in a relationship. Before, the woman was more likely to remain loyal to her husband as she didn’t have much of a choice. But now she does - Thanks to feminism, birth control and social welfare programs

I believe that if you're below average looking you can ascend, its only over for you if you're sub 5.
Cope :bluepill:. The rate of couples partnering up via online dating has surpassed warm approaching. The rate of failed normies is increasing in Gen Z. More zoomer normies are becoming sexless and dateless. I dont really know whether or not zoomer normies are trying. But if most zoomer normies have a social circle/network, I don't see why more couples are being made via online dating than via warm approaching - Unless hypergamy has actually affected the modern dating / sex market for zoomers, in such a way that more zoomer normies are having less sex or no sex because of it
 
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High iq post. Very well written, I appreciate the amount of effort you put into it. You should post this in DebateITS on reddit. I know redditors are aids, but I'd like to watch them squirm with responding to this.
 
That reddit post has so much gaslighting in the replies
It’s enraging tbqh — and real reason the replies are like that is because of this:
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Same thing I guarantee you is true for Reddit especially when you consider how Reddit is even more leftist than Twitter is hinting at its user base.

The reality is women will not acknowledge the issue unless they are forced to because they want to maximize their own advantage and honesty don’t care about men as a group. Successful men on the other hand do not have the lived experience to know what’s actually going on and the older generations are in that same boat.

Most people just erroneously blame young men for their own failure — and fair enough to a degree, a few men probably did fuck up on their own — but really it’s a systemic issue and the mass wave of inceldom is downstream of systemic changes per the OP. That’s the truth. Even guys who would’ve done very well 20 years ago are sinking like rocks in todays environment.

Frankly online dating should just be banned by western governments due to it’s destructive nature and maybe even social media in general, I honestly don’t think it’s doing people any good and especially women it hacks their brains and turns them into turbo narcissists.
 
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Hypergamy has Hindered the Sexual Prospects of Young Men in Gen Z (Water)

For zoomers, the common method of seeking dates / casual sex partners for Gen Z is mostly through social media. Gen Z is the first generation in history to have “social media services” as the most popular method for searching for a relationship / casual sex partner. The majority of zoomers in western countries who have ever tried to search for a relationship / sex partner, have used a social media service to conduct their search. This is an important fact to consider in the discourse on sexual relations for zoomers and future generations, because it has economic implications that ultimately point towards a rational motivation for zoomer girls (and later alpha girls) to practice hypergamy in their sexual / dating lifestyles

The cost of searching for a sex partner is much higher for normies than it is for men who are +7/10 SMV. There are various factors that pushed towards the current negative skewed distribution of sex in Gen Z, but social media was the decisive blow. As men in general have low / zero standards, online dating has allowed the average woman to be exposed to a large roster of potential male partners who want to meet and fuck her. Ultimately the issue comes down to social media and online dating, because it created the conditions that enabled and motivated women to practice hypergamy on a mass scale. Bluepillers will say social media does not reflect real world affairs. Maybe social media does not reflect real world affairs for Gen X and Millennials. But in the case of Gen Z, it does. There are several statistics on sex, dating and social media activity for Gen Z which show this

Boomers, Gen X and some Millennials are apparently oblivious to the circumstances that have inhibited the sexual prospects of zoomer males in western countries. Instead they criticize the “manosphere” or “redpill/blackpill” for its “toxic ideologies” in spite of the data that shows how zoomer males in western society have become more sex deprived and socially isolated than young men from prior generations. The data is already out there, and the data may be interpreted in various ways, but this much is clear: In western society, there’s an abnormally large proportion of young men in Gen Z who aren’t getting pussy or are getting less pussy, in comparision to young men from prior generations. The “sexlessness crisis” only became a major issue for young men in Generation Z and Millennial. It was not a major issue for young men in Gen X, Boomers, Silent, Greatest or Lost Generations. The stats show that it’s mainly Generation Z and Millennial males in developed countries (East Asia, Europe and North America), who are being affected the most by this phenomenon of “rising sexlessness”

The issue of “male sexlessness” wasn’t a major topic of discussion 10 or 20 years ago, although there were signs around the early 2010s that pointed to a potential “sexlessness crisis” in future. But it was only after COVID started, it became very clear that an unusually large share of zoomer males in western countries were sexless or/and socially isolated for some reason, or they’re not as sexually interactive with women as were the same share of young men from past generations. The data is readily accessible to any competent person who’s willing to do their own research. Many “blackpill” talking points are backed by data collection findings and other research studies that were carried out by certified social research institutes.

Unless you think those social research institutes were also a bunch of “blackpilled incels” and “toxic misogynists” with a “radical agenda that threatens women’s safety”
--- It’s quite evident the issue of “male sexlessness” is not derived by a bunch of “ideologies” or “radical beliefs” exclusive to the “manosphere” or “incelsphere”. The data pretty much indicates that something happened by the time most zoomers in western society became legally adults (over age 18), and whatever it was that happened - It ultimately affected the sexual prospects of an unusually large share of zoomer males in developed countries, in a way that hasn’t been observed in any other generation of young men within the past century


Sexual-Economic Management As A Rational Motivation for Female Hypergamy

I think female hypergamy also involves sexual economy and not just natural motivation. A woman might practice hypergamy in order to efficiently manage the abundance of potential sex partners made available to her, as it might not be practical for her to meet and fuck all men who show interest in her, even if she wanted to. If a female on social media is “swiped right” or “has slides into her DM’s” by hundreds or thousands of male social media users a week, it would be practically impossible for the female user to chat and meet with each and every one of them, even if she wanted. So, a woman who uses social media to search for dates or hookups can be motivated to practice hypergamy as a means of sexual-economic management, due to the excessive amount of options made available to her, and not only because she wants to fuck the ideal man. This can explain why the average woman rejects 85% - 95% of men that she discovers via dating apps. IMO if the woman’s options are restricted enough, she can be deterred from practicing hypergamy. But obviously this will not happen as long as social media exists, along with a surplus of thirsty men, who are willing to meet and fuck any woman they discover on social media sites (Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat etc.) and dating apps (Tinder, Hinge, Bumble etc.)

It’s clear that Gen Z will not cut down on social media use, which means they will continue to use social media services to search for dates and casual sex. As Gen Alpha were also born and raised in the era of social media, social media usage for dating & hookups will probably be the same for Gen Alpha if not higher. So foids in Gen Alpha will have an even stronger motivation than foids in Gen Z to practice hypergamy, because the amount of potential sex partners that will be made available to Gen Alpha foids will be just as excessive as it was for Gen Z foids, if not even higher

At this rate, future generations of young men are likely to end up more sexually oppressed than previous generations of young men. By increasing use of social media services for seeking dates / hookups, and the woman’s inclination to be hypergamous in order to resourcefully manage a surplus of options made available to her in the world of online dating, it’s very likely that only a minority of men in future generations will slay the large share of available females in the sex / dating market, as women tend to have sexual preferences that converge towards a similar ideal (e.g., tall height, good facial bones, no signs of balding or norwooding), rather than sexual preferences that are very diverse in nature. The other majority of young men in future generations will probably be more sexually deprived than young men from prior generations --- As in higher rates of adult male virginity, higher rates of men who spend over a year without sexual contact with the other sex, higher rates of men without a significant other, as well as higher rates of men who have sex infrequently



(Relevant threads and videos below)





View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeYts4AzRUo



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjmWqeXZRlc



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9mvcfVfbio



View: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/1ba8g2c/anyone_else_alarmed_by_how_many_gen_z_men_are/

Great post mate — appreciate all the links too.

I’ll only add to this that even a lot of millennial men got destroyed by this too as a lot of this kicked into the high gear when they were in university.

Birth control, easy abortion, modern STD medicine, feminism, the loss of enforced monogamy, the loss of social pressures to keep women sane, the rise of social media and online dating — a lot of factors came together to basically remove all of the limits women have had to contend with for all of human history and unchecked humanity is devolving into a harem species. But nobody seems to notice but us.

I say this a lot here but online dating should be banned by world governments.
 
I’m already aware of this. 79% of users on Tinder as Gen Z doesn’t mean 79% of ALL Gen Z have used Tinder


Read the source again. This is one of the key findings from the 2021 report on Gen Z students in UK universities:

It clearly says, 43% of Undergraduate students “HAD NEVER HAD SEX WITH ANYONE”. The vast majority of undergraduate students are between ages 18 and 21. What other possible way is there to interpret this?


For Millennials born between 1989 and 1990, 87.5% of them lost their virginity before 26, and the vast majority of this "87.5% of Millenials" actually lost it before 20. Basically nearly 80% of millennials born between 1989 and 1990, lost their virginity by age 19. The share of Millennials who were virgins by 20 are a small minority




I’m not sure about them being less “materialist”, but the claim about “there wasn’t as much of a focus on education” is not supported by the data. The share of Millennials with a higher education has surpassed Boomers and Silent Gen. At the rate Millennials are going, they will soon surpass Gen X in their share of higher education graduates. Among the share of Millennials with a higher education degree, close to half of them obtained their degree before 2010. This report was from 2018, and published in 2020:



Millennials lost their virginities at earlier ages than Gen Z. Around 80% of Millennials were not virgins by age 18 - 19. Yet the data shows that many Millennials were in higher education during the 2000s and the 2010s. Millennials are on track to having the highest share of higher education achievers by generation, and a considerable share of Millennials with a higher education degree obtained it before 2010

So I’ll ask again. Unlike Gen Z, how did the vast majority of millennials manage to lose their virginity by 18 – 19, even while in higher education and with access to social media (AOL, MSN, Myspace) albeit more outdated than current social media in Gen Z?


Many long-term social circles/networks are built in social institutions where teens regularly see each other, e.g., school, youth clubs. I guess less zoomers are attending school on campus, or maybe zoomers are socializing less with each other at school?
Many people have met their lifelong friends, and sometimes their future spouses on school campus. I struggle to believe zoomers aren’t socializing with each other at school -- Unless less zoomers are attending school on campus


I see what you’re referring to. And I agree, the vast majority of people are not virgins by 24 - Including people in Gen Z who are currently age 24. However this isn’t my point. My point is that, people in Gen Z are losing their virginities at a later age than people from previous generations. More zoomers are reaching adulthood as virgins, and zoomer males are having lower rates of sexual contact with women in comparison to young adult males from previous generations. Plus I don’t think it’s cause of “muh education and work”, cause Millennials did not have this problem, and many Millennials were also in education or work during the 2000s


I doubt it is the zoomers fault. Zoomers are too young to be blamed; some of them are still underage. I think accountability lies with Gen X and Boomers, as they are the main predecessors to Gen Z. Boomers, Gen X (and some Millennials) built the world that Gen Z are in today. Gen Z did not create social media, goyslop, and LGBT empowerment programs. Boomers and Gen X did


Maybe you do not see the alternative possibilities. Balanced dating is what would be considered the most egalitarian state of dating for both men and women in the dating market. Looksmatch for looksmatch. Stacy gets Chad only. Becky gets normie only. Subhuman foid gets subhuman man only. Also sex is about power relations, so wouldn’t you have the advantage if you managed to pull a Stacy who saw you as superior to her?


Traditionally this is how it is meant to be done. But women were also previously considered property of men. They did not have the privilege to decide how society operates and what policies should govern society. This way, men were able to retain the woman’s loyalty, because the woman’s economic wellbeing depended on it. But through feminism and social welfare, women no longer need a male cohort in order to self-sustain economically and socially. Thus there’s no longer a tangible incentive for a woman to remain loyal to a man in a relationship. Before, the woman was more likely to remain loyal to her husband as she didn’t have much of a choice. But now she does - Thanks to feminism, birth control and social welfare programs


Cope :bluepill:. The rate of couples partnering up via online dating has surpassed warm approaching. The rate of failed normies is increasing in Gen Z. More zoomer normies are becoming sexless and dateless. I dont really know whether or not zoomer normies are trying. But if most zoomer normies have a social circle/network, I don't see why more couples are being made via online dating than via warm approaching - Unless hypergamy has actually affected the modern dating / sex market for zoomers, in such a way that more zoomer normies are having less sex or no sex because of it
For the 43% figure my hunch would be that is not uniform between men and women. Probably a lot more men were virgins and fewer women were making for an average of 43 or something in that vein going off other studies that have been posted in the past. A small handful of men are fucking all the women.
 
For the 43% figure my hunch would be that is not uniform between men and women.
You don't need a hunch for that. Believing it's balanced when the dating market has never been more imbalanced is way beyond reasonable doubt. We know the trend for this type of thing; it is a statistical fact that men are going to constitute a way larger proportion of the two sexes considered 'sexless.'
 
High iq post. Very well written, I appreciate the amount of effort you put into it. You should post this in DebateITS on reddit. I know redditors are aids, but I'd like to watch them squirm with responding to this.
I don’t use Reddit, but Reddit is full of bots. Their responses will not be unique or extraordinary

A small handful of men are fucking all the women.
This is just about the only explanation that makes sense. The majority of couples now meet online. This is a major sign that warm approaching is now less effective than it used to be for young men in previous generations. More zoomer normies are being sexually replaced with high SMV males who are discovered by females on social media & dating apps. Less poon for normies, more poon for Chad

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