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“Oh!” say the technophiles, “Science is going to fix all that! We will conquer famine, eliminate psychological suffering, make everybody healthy and happy!” Yeah, sure. That’s what they said 200 years ago. The Industrial Revolution was supposed to eliminate poverty, make everybody happy, etc. The actual result has been quite different. The technophiles are hopelessly naive (or self-deceiving) in their understanding of social problems. They are unaware of (or choose to ignore) the fact that when large changes, even seemingly beneficial ones, are introduced into a society, they lead to a long sequence of other changes, most of which are impossible to predict. The result is disruption of the society. So it is very probable that in their attempts to end poverty and disease, engineer docile, happy personalities and so forth, the technophiles will create social systems that are terribly troubled, even more so than the present once. For example, the scientists boast that they will end famine by creating new, genetically engineered food plants. But this will allow the human population to keep expanding indefinitely, and it is well known that crowding leads to increased stress and aggression. This is merely one example of the PREDICTABLE problems that will arise. We emphasize that, as past experience has shown, technical progress will lead to other new problems that CANNOT be predicted in advance . In fact, ever since the Industrial Revolution, technology has been creating new problems for society far more rapidly than it has been solving old ones. Thus it will take a long and difficult period of trial and error for the technophiles to work the bugs out of their Brave New World (if they every do). In the meantime there will be great suffering. So it is not at all clear that the survival of industrial society would involve less suffering than the breakdown of that society would. Technology has gotten the human race into a fix from which there is not likely to be any easy escape.


Nature makes a perfect counter-ideal to technology for several reasons. Nature (that which is outside the power of the system) is the opposite of technology (which seeks to expand indefinitely the power of the system). Most people will agree that nature is beautiful; certainly it has tremendous popular appeal. The radical environmentalists ALREADY hold an ideology that exalts nature and opposes technology. It is not necessary for the sake of nature to set up some chimerical utopia or any new kind of social order. Nature takes care of itself: It was a spontaneous creation that existed long before any human society, and for countless centuries many different kinds of human societies coexisted with nature without doing it an excessive amount of damage. Only with the Industrial Revolution did the effect of human society on nature become really devastating. To relieve the pressure on nature it is not necessary to create a special kind of social system, it is only necessary to get rid of industrial society. Granted, this will not solve all problems. Industrial society has already done tremendous damage to nature and it will take a very long time for the scars to heal. Besides, even pre-industrial societies can do significant damage to nature. Nevertheless, getting rid of industrial society will accomplish a great deal. It will relieve the worst of the pressure on nature so that the scars can begin to heal. It will remove the capacity of organized society to keep increasing its control over nature (including human nature). Whatever kind of society may exist after the demise of the industrial system, it is certain that most people will live close to nature, because in the absence of advanced technology there is no other way that people CAN live. To feed themselves they must be peasants or herdsmen or fishermen or hunters, etc. And, generally speaking, local autonomy should tend to increase, because lack of advanced technology and rapid communications will limit the capacity of governments or other large organizations to control local communities
 
Wish we could turn back time to the good old days
 
Wish we could turn back time to the good old days
Okay Luddite. Technology actually could fix all of our issues if our money and tech weren't controlled by Jews.

Only Technological Advancement can save us from inevitable doom and push us towards a New Age of Space Exploration and Colonisation.
 
Okay Luddite. Technology actually could fix all of our issues if our money and tech weren't controlled by Jews.

Only Technological Advancement can save us from inevitable doom and push us towards a New Age of Space Exploration and Colonisation.
Hopeless naive
 
Hopeless naive
But I will concede you do make a good point. Living in low tech medieval farming communities would be way more healthier than living in Pods and eating bugs.
 
But I will concede you do make a good point. Living in low tech medieval farming communities would be way more healthier than living in Pods and eating bugs.
The ongoing advancement of technology will exacerbate the circumstances, inevitably subjecting humans to increased indignities and causing greater harm to the environment. It is likely to result in heightened social disruption and psychological distress, and there is a possibility of amplified physical suffering even in so-called 'advanced' nations. In my view, it is imprudent to cheer for something that serves as the main bane of your involuntary celibacy and mine included. furthermore, if the system survives, the consequences will be inevitable: There is no way of reforming or modifying the system so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy. If the system breaks down the consequences will still be very painful. But the bigger the system grows the more disastrous the results of its breakdown will be, so if it is to break down it had best break down sooner rather than later.
 
Read Theodore Kaczynskis books then maybe you can be as enlightened as me one day
 
Read Theodore Kaczynskis books then maybe you can be as enlightened as me one day
Technological Slavery is boring. He takes 400 pages to explain what could be explained in only 200 pages. Anti-Tech Revolution is more interesting, but he means the same thing in both books. I'm not an anarchoprimitivist. Technology is dangerous, but that doesn't mean we should go back to a more primitive stage.
 
Incels and conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can’t make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values.
 
Technological Slavery is boring. He takes 400 pages to explain what could be explained in only 200 pages. Anti-Tech Revolution is more interesting, but he means the same thing in both books. I'm not an anarchoprimitivist. Technology is dangerous, but that doesn't mean we should go back to a more primitive stage.
I think we should such does ted as he explains his world view in multiple articles books interviews etc in more detail. Going back is the only way to make real " progress" I think we can all agree that we live in a deeply troubled society. Those 400 pages of criticism are highly important as it hits right where it hurts in terms of social political and environmental issues also you should try to read his work like a manual, constantly revise so you can comprehend everything as I missed out some things when I first read his latest new book.
 
there are growing numbers of people who in one way or another are rebels against the system: welfare leaches, youth gangs, cultists, satanists, nazis, radical environmentalists, militiamen, etc.
 

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