[SuicideFuel] Most upvoted Nytimes comments about incels

[Inbuddhist]

"
This is not about access to pornography or sex robots or sex workers. This is, once again, about power, control, resentment, and misogyny. Thought experiments such as this perpetuate the idea that women exist for the pleasure and edification of men. You would never guess that women are people, not some amorphous being or abstract concept. The Beckys and Stacys they talk about are gross caricatures. Do not make the mistake of symphathising, they do not think women are human and as such they should be controlled-like a commodity.

Many have the luxury of thought experiments because the reality has never and will never happen to them."

"Knowing how to, and willingness to love and care for others will vastly increase a man's chances for not just sex but good sex. It requires some courage and vulnerability. These men appear to be narcissists who have embraced a virulent form of libertarianism, framed in a Hugh Hefner fantasy. They can still learn to be loving, caring humans."

"Agreed. What the so called Incels want is rape. The right to rape; sex when they demand it. They do not have a right to rape. If they are lonely, they need to work on their interpersonal skills. "

"The entire framing of this is wrong. Within the last 100 years women have started to not be treated like property (started, not completed yet). A true libertarian economist would realize that the best way to resolve a supply and demand issue in a market, here the sex market, would be to completely liberate women because the marketplace, as we're so crass to describe it, would clear itself without significant distribution issues if women didn't have to worry about sexual assault and had access to reproductive health care from places like Planned Parenthood. Instead of appreciating the economic, social, psychic, spiritual, philosophical, cultural benefits of liberating women, white men wring their hands that liberating women has left some men without sex and therefore angry. So once again we have to direct our attention to the violent, petulant, angry white man and his problems and see if we can come up with robot sex slaves since owning women is thankfully now out of favor. I'm so tired of white men and their nonsense"

"
Mr. Douthat proposes that “late-modern” sexual liberation and neoliberals have generated the loose, lawless atmosphere that’s created a new breed of women-hating, horny, angry, aggressive men. Blame it on Betty Friedan!

Right.

In fact, men have used rape as a weapon of war for millennia. If they wanted sex? They took it by force. And preachy orthodox religious men (Christians, Muslims, others) have repeatedly sought to isolate, control, silence, punish women to insure they, like brood mares, produced legitimate sons for their husbands.

Misogynists are an old old breed. Every woman worth her salt knows it. And no, sorry, Ross, not many women are out demanding sex “as a right.” False equivalence.

That’s a boy thing. "

Funny thing is that in no way did author ever condone rape lol.

Source : https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/...n=opinion-c-col-left-region#commentsContainer

 

[Grotesque]

The rape shit is so tiring. IT always mentions it, as well.

Males will always have the right to rape in most cases, because we're stronger than females.

Incels do not want rape. We want females to be sexually attracted to us.

 

[theundeadburg]

>JewYorkTimes

 

[josh]

Incels do not want rape. We want females to be sexually attracted to us.

 

[Deleted member 60]

this is van fuel, not suifuel.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

The rape shit is so tiring. IT always mentions it, as well.

Incels do not want rape. We want females to be sexually attracted to us.

 

[PersonalityChad]

NYT
=
FAKE NEWS

 

[acnescarcel]

lol they have writers that say white men should be eradicated but still have the balls to talk shit? ny times=FAKE NEWS

 

[Void]

Reminder the daily stormer supports NY times and they refuse to disavow them, jfl

 

[Deleted member 1983]

soyboys key code for incels - referring to them all as boys
- implying they have a small penis
- assuming they are all fat / smelly
- Thinking they are all unemployed
- Using pet names to undermine their arguments and assuming that all incels are of a young age.

etc etc. The point is they stereotype so fucking hard its laughable

 

[Inbuddhist]

NYT
=
FAKE NEWS

In this case the problem is with commenters attacking the writer, the problem is with the comments, not the article lol.

 

[PersonalityChad]

In this case the problem is with commenters attacking the writer, the problem is with the comments, not the article lol.

Everything that gets posted there is fake news, unless it disagrees completely with the article

 

[deadman123]

 

[Deleted member 5861]

"perpetuate the idea that women exist for the pleasure and edification of men"

Being heterosexual is a crime as an incel. Do you really think they are offended when women want to use a man for their pleasure?

Instead of appreciating the economic, social, psychic, spiritual, philosophical, cultural benefits of liberating women, white men wring their hands that liberating women has left some men without sex and therefore angry. So once again we have to direct our attention to the violent, petulant, angry white man and his problems and see if we can come up with robot sex slaves since owning women is thankfully now out of favor. I'm so tired of white men and their nonsense"

Feminism in a nutshell.

soyboys key code for incels - referring to them all as boys
- implying they have a small penis
- assuming they are all fat / smelly
- Thinking they are all unemployed
- Using pet names to undermine their arguments and assuming that all incels are of a young age.

etc etc. The point is they stereotype so fucking hard its laughable

muh personality!!!! You also a loser because you got a tiny dick.

 

[Deleted member 250]

 

[Not_Important]

[jihadfuel]

 

[TheWitchKing]

"

"Agreed. What the so called Incels want is rape. The right to rape; sex when they demand it. They do not have a right to rape. If they are lonely, they need to work on their interpersonal skills. "

Source : https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/...n=opinion-c-col-left-region#commentsContainer

Of all of the vitriolic hatred oozing from this comment, these lines stood out starkly.

"What the so-called incels want is rape."

Is that so? Unlike the lady who posted the comment, I'm not willing to make broad generalizations about entire groups of people so I'm more than willing to concede there are incels who do want rape. There may be some among us who actually do find the prospect of forcing a woman while she weeps in terror and gags in disgust material fit for the finest acts of masturbation. However, I'm willing to guess that they're in the minority and that when the balance of the remaining incels indulge in their impossible fantasies they dream of being wanted, desired, actually loved. For a woman to be revolted by our touch, crying in misery instead of sighing in pleasure, would be the worst nightmare for a good number of us purportedly wicked incels at long last realized. If for no other reason, scandalously selfish though it may be, than that it would confirm for us how truly repulsive we actually are. There's a very good reason why men whose only sexual experiences are with whores sit beside virgins in our sad little tribe: sex with someone compelled to through either bribery or force is no less unloved than someone who has never had sex because he's employed neither. Consider that an expression of pride or narcissism if you'd like but, well, surrendering the Ego is, for all intents and purposes, an act of suicide. The tragedy of inherently social and sexual animals such as ourselves is that the affirmation of the Other is necessary for the preservation of the Self. To be incel is synonymous with belonging to the cursed tribe of the living dead. To be involuntarily celibate is an abomination, an affront against the laws of Nature we are all of us subject to.

Now the woman who posted this comment, being human herself, should recognize this simple fact. Why hasn't she? There are a variety of possible answers to this question, but one of them could simply be that she doesn't know what it is to be undesirable. And no, not undesirable to the one man she had a fancy for who rejected her in favor of another woman but undesirable to all men. She wants to play cartographer of a world she's never glimpsed with her own eyes, that she's only heard about whispered in rumors. All that she knows when sketching the contours of the worlds inhabited by the things that will never experience love is that there are dragons there. According to the Christians, God upended soteriology having spent only three days down in Hell and suffering its torments firsthand. This woman, on the other hand, can persist in condemning the damned because she's never burned for so much as a fraction of a moment in the same fires that they do.

Which isn't to say she's never suffered. Perhaps she has. It's possible she's been raped, beaten, brutalized and all the rest. All that means is that her Hell isn't ours; it's a very wise thing to remain silent regarding things you don't know. And if she wants to exorcise devils, it would be far more honest of her to drive out the ones who haunt her rather than the ones who've never whispered into her ears down in the dead of night.

I'd be more than willing to accept a truce: let her speak of her Hell if she leaves us alone to speak of ours. Fair enough, right?

But here's the rub, here's the trick, here's the finest line in the clause of the contract I clutch in my wrinkled old hands: those I would present it to will forever tear it up in petulant rage. The incel speaking regarding his pain is inherently offensive. An unlovable man wants to be loved, an undesirable man wants to experience what the desirable do. And, in this, he becomes a rapist in thought regardless of whether he never becomes one in action. He assaults the woman who rejected him because he dared dream of making love to her, of seeing her smile in a vision despite the fact he'll never do so in the waking world, because making love is something he's unsuited for. Though I find the prospect of sex robots horrifying, the reason so many have rallied against their construction is something I find more horrifying still.

Horrifying, but understandable. The ejaculation of a monster is blasphemy against Nature Herself, it hints at the perpetuation of ugliness. Any expression of its sexuality is rape, even in lieu of a human victim, because both God and Goddess consider it a transgression of Their most sacred laws.

Every true incel will forever be branded a filthy rapist because he dares to want to be loved despite the fact that God, Nature, and all of the beautiful children They've conceived together, have decreed he has no right to be.

 

[Ritalincel]

NYT
=
FAKE NEWS

this is van fuel, not suifuel.

 

[rabitter]

Funny thing is that by overusing the word rape it has pretty much lost any effect.

 

[Inbuddhist]

Of all of the vitriolic hatred oozing from this comment, these lines stood out starkly.

"What the so-called incels want is rape."

Is that so? Unlike the lady who posted the comment, I'm not willing to make broad generalizations about entire groups of people so I'm more than willing to concede there are incels who do want rape. There may be some among us who actually do find the prospect of forcing a woman while she weeps in terror and gags in disgust material fit for the finest acts of masturbation. However, I'm willing to guess that they're in the minority and that when the balance of the remaining incels indulge in their impossible fantasies they dream of being wanted, desired, actually loved. For a woman to be revolted by our touch, crying in misery instead of sighing in pleasure, would be the worst nightmare for a good number of us purportedly wicked incels at long last realized. If for no other reason, scandalously selfish though it may be, than that it would confirm for us how truly repulsive we actually are. There's a very good reason why men whose only sexual experiences are with whores sit beside virgins in our sad little tribe: sex with someone compelled to through either bribery or force is no less unloved than someone who has never had sex because he's employed neither. Consider that an expression of pride or narcissism if you'd like but, well, surrendering the Ego is, for all intents and purposes, an act of suicide. The tragedy of inherently social and sexual animals such as ourselves is that the affirmation of the Other is necessary for the preservation of the Self. To be incel is synonymous with belonging to the cursed tribe of the living dead. To be involuntarily celibate is an abomination, an affront against the laws of Nature we are all of us subject to.

Now the woman who posted this comment, being human herself, should recognize this simple fact. Why hasn't she? There are a variety of possible answers to this question, but one of them could simply be that she doesn't know what it is to be undesirable. And no, not undesirable to the one man she had a fancy for who rejected her in favor of another woman but undesirable to all men. She wants to play cartographer of a world she's never glimpsed with her own eyes, that she's only heard about whispered in rumors. All that she knows when sketching the contours of the worlds inhabited by the things that will never experience love is that there are dragons there. According to the Christians, God upended soteriology having spent only three days down in Hell and suffering its torments firsthand. This woman, on the other hand, can persist in condemning the damned because she's never burned for so much as a fraction of a moment in the same fires that they do.

Which isn't to say she's never suffered. Perhaps she has. It's possible she's been raped, beaten, brutalized and all the rest. All that means is that her Hell isn't ours; it's a very wise thing to remain silent regarding things you don't know. And if she wants to exorcise devils, it would be far more honest of her to drive out the ones who haunt her rather than the ones who've never whispered into her ears down in the dead of night.

I'd be more than willing to accept a truce: let her speak of her Hell if she leaves us alone to speak of ours. Fair enough, right?

But here's the rub, here's the trick, here's the finest line in the clause of the contract I clutch in my wrinkled old hands: those I would present it to will forever tear it up in petulant rage. The incel speaking regarding his pain is inherently offensive. An unlovable man wants to be loved, an undesirable man wants to experience what the desirable do. And, in this, he becomes a rapist in thought regardless of whether he never becomes one in action. He assaults the woman who rejected him because he dared dream of making love to her, of seeing her smile in a vision despite the fact he'll never do so in the waking world, because making love is something he's unsuited for. Though I find the prospect of sex robots horrifying, the reason so many have rallied against their construction is something I find more horrifying still.

Horrifying, but understandable. The ejaculation of a monster is blasphemy against Nature Herself, it hints at the perpetuation of ugliness. Any expression of its sexuality is rape, even in lieu of a human victim, because both God and Goddess consider it a transgression of Their most sacred laws.

Every true incel will forever be branded a filthy rapist because he dares to want to be loved despite the fact that God, Nature, and all of the beautiful children They've conceived together, have decreed he has no right to be.

This so beautifully written, i loved the cartographer allegory, you should write a blog or something.

 

[maynarde]

Oh naw bro

Lol


So we are all mysogynists

It's our fault