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I took this from a Reddit post. Men without any power or privilege (most men) are deffinitely victims of a lot of bullshit. Something society likes to ignore.



There is a lot of research where the authors admit that they expected to find evidence of discrimination against women, but instead found evidence of discrimination against men.

Sometimes they take it gracefully and report their results in good faith. But other times they make excuses for it or try to cover it up.

The following is a list of 13 examples ranging from hiring discrimination, domestic violence, educational discrimination, and child custody discrimination.

Many of these are areas where people still assume that discrimination against women exists, despite formal academic research showing that it's really men who are discriminated against.

A study about employment discrimination against women and mothers instead uncovered discrimination against men and fathers
One study on hiring discrimination looked at the effects of marriage and parental status on a person's hiring prospects. They expected to find discrimination against women and against mothers specifically. What they found instead was that in every cohort, women were preferred over men. Whether single, married, childless, or with children. Instead of reporting on this novel finding, they instead went into detail about how pregnant women are discriminated against compared to non-pregnant women, which they try to frame as being sexist against women.

The fact that they found that women were preferred over men is buried inside of the body of the study, buffered by handwaving remarks about how pregnant women still face other difficulties related to employment (which I'm sure is valid but they straight up sound salty about the fact that their own research contradicted what they expected to find).

You can read the full text of the study here:

Becker, S. O., Fernandes, A., & Weichselbaumer, D. (2019). Discrimination in hiring based on potential and realized fertility: Evidence from a large-scale field experiment. Labour Economics, 59, 139-152.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0927537119300429

A study about domestic violence against women finds that men are more likely to be victims
A 2005 study on domestic violence wrote their entire abstract in a way that implies that domestic violence is significantly worse against women than against men. But the actual body of their research reports the exact opposite of that. A fact that other researchers eventually discovered and wrote about. While not strictly about discrimination, they are guilty of expecting to find that things were worse for women when in reality it's men who appear to be disproportionately effected.

[A] recent study found that men are more likely than women to suffer serious injuries in intimate partner relationships and that men are actually less likely than women to use violence in intimate relationships (Felson & Cares, 2005). Some factors are apparently inhibiting men, who are generally much more violent than women (outside intimate relationships), from using violence against their female partners. Results in the Felson and Cares (2005) study show that those men who do engage in violence against their spouse and those women who engage in violence against their family members are more likely than other offenders to do so with high frequency. It is surprising that this result was obtained in what was essentially presented to respondents as, “a study of violence against women” (Felson & Cares, 2005, p. 15).In fact, the authors argue that men actually inhibit violence in intimate relationships compared to their non-intimate levels.
...Interestingly, authors responding to findings that suggest a narrow or non-existent gender gap in partner abuse rates also allege that females are universally more vulnerable to abuse by men than men are to abuse by women. Importantly, this perspective has found little support in the data.
Carney, M., Buttell, F., & Dutton, D. (2007). Women who perpetrate intimate partner violence: A review of the literature with recommendations for treatment. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 12(1), 108-115.
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...rature-With-Recommendations-for-Treatment.pdf

The offending study:

Felson, R. B., & Cares, A. C. (2005). Gender and the seriousness of assaults on intimate partners and other victims. Journal of Marriage and Family, 67(5), 1182-1195.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2005.00209.x

The 1975 US National Family Violence survey uncovered higher rates of abuse against men
The very first large scale federal study on domestic violence in the US was carried out by researchers who expected to find higher rates of female victimization compared to male victimization. The results of that study showed that slightly more men than women were victims of domestic violence, including severe forms of violence.

Two of those researchers -- Murray Straus and Suzanne Steinmetz -- spent the rest of their careers researching this phenomen after discovering this. Steinmetz, in particular, was the first researcher to coin the "battered husband syndrome" back in 1977, a concept that would eventually be coopted by feminists during the 1980s and derided as a "myth" when applied to men.

Straus, M. A. (2010). Thirty years of denying the evidence on gender symmetry in partner violence: Implications for prevention and treatment. Partner Abuse, 1(3), 332-362.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1891/1946-6560.1.3.332

Related to this is the fact that Erin Pizzey discovered the same thing "on the ground" after opening the world's first domestic violence shelter for women in Britain. She attempted to open one for men the very next year after becoming convinced that domestic violence was not a gendered issue, but quickly faced resistance. Including from some of the same people who backed her shelter for women.

All of the relevant parties here took this in stride and bravely went against the status quo. In some instances they even received death threats and bomb threats from feminists. This myth has continued to persists after decades of research debunking it. Likely because people simply want to believe that it's true.

Multiple CDC sexual victimization surveys have found similar rates of female-on-male sexual assault as male-on-female sexual assault, despite famously reporting the opposite
Several studies on sexual assault have found near equal rates of male victimization as female victimization.

While there are a few "honest" studies out there, several well-known studies have tried to hide this fact in their research. The primary strategy they use is to define female-on-male rape as "something else that's not rape". There are other criticisms that come up though, including the issue of "priming" respondents.

Recently the CDC has come under fire for this.

This striking finding—that men and women reported similar rates of nonconsensual sex in a 12-month period—might have made for a newsworthy finding. Instead, the CDC’s public presentation of these data emphasized female sexual victimization, thereby (perhaps inadvertently) confirming gender stereotypes about victimization.
Stemple, L., & Meyer, I. H. (2014). The sexual victimization of men in America: New data challenge old assumptions. American Journal of Public Health, 104(6), e19-e26.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/

A study trying to prove that mothers are discriminated against in family court instead found the exact opposite, and then tried to hide it
A study from the late 1980s on child custody discrimination expected to find discrimination against mothers, and not fathers, but instead discovered that men were 6 times less likely to gain custody compared to identically placed women.

Not only did their publication attempt to use dishonest statistical shenanigans to hide this, they tried to burry the raw data to prevent other researchers from double checking their findings. Their study is still widely cited by other researchers as well as by random people on the Internet, because it is the only study that, on the surface, found discrimination against mothers (making it the perfect example of "cherry picking evidence"). In one meta study it sticks out like a sore thumb in comparison to ~10 other studies that found the exact opposite.

You can read that meta study here, and a list of sources on page 974 in the footnotes:

"Beyond Economic Fatherhood: Encouraging Divorced Fathers to Parent".
https://www.law.upenn.edu/journals/...3/issue3/Maldonado153U.Pa.L.Rev.921(2005).pdf

The offending study:

Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court Gender Bias Study Committee,. (1989). Gender Bias Study of the Court System in Massachusetts.
The story of how one researcher discovered that the study was fraudulent, and how he came into possession of the raw data that they tried to bury, can be found here:

Rosenthal, M. B. (1995). Misrepresentation of Gender Bias in the 1989 Report of the Gender Bias Committee of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court. Breaking The Science.
http://www.breakingthescience.org/SJC_GBC_analysis_intro.php

Unsubstantiated reports that women were underrepresented in medical research has created a large gap against male medical research
The researchers in this case may not have had a bias, but the research was conducted because of a general assumption that medical research was unfairly focused on men. The complaints were loud enough to inspire research into the topic where it was quickly discovered that far more interest and money is put into women's health research than men's, including even in areas where men are known to be effected more.

Recently John Oliver repeated these myths, despite some of this research being almost 20 years old now.

Bartlett, E. E. (2001). Did medical research routinely exclude women? An examination of the evidence. Epidemiology, 12(5), 584-586.
https://journals.lww.com/epidem/Ful..._Research_Routinely_Exclude_Women__An.20.aspx

"John Oliver repeats healthcare myths in his coverage of gender bias in the healthcare field". Men Are Human.
https://menarehuman.com/6195-2/

A study expecting to find discrimination against girls in math and science instead found that boys are discriminated against in literally every single subject
Another study on educational discrimination expected to find discrimination against female students, in part to explain why girls struggle in math and science. They instead found exactly the opposite of this: that male students were discriminated against in every subject, including even in math and science. This study was honest in how they reported their results though. And the researchers were humble enough to admit that they expected to find different results in the abstract.

Using data on test results in several subjects in the humanities and sciences, I found, contrary to expectations, that male students face discrimination in each subject.
Lavy, V. (2008). Do gender stereotypes reduce girls' or boys' human capital outcomes? Evidence from a natural experiment. Journal of public Economics, 92(10-11), 2083-2105.
https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/vlavy/lavy_j.public.e_10.2008_gender_steriotypes.pdf

A researcher expecting to find discrimination against women in STEM instead found discriminated against men
An unpublished experiment meant to find discrimination against women in STEM instead found evidence of the opposite. The researcher masked the voices of candidates so that their gender wouldn't be known in interviews. The idea was that female candidates would do better than what they do when their gender is known. She instead found that this gender blind process benefited men instead of women, indicating that there was gender discrimination against men.

Turner, Karen. (2016, July 25). This tool gender-swapped the voices of tech job candidates. Here’s what happened. The Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-of-tech-job-candidates-heres-what-happened/

A study looking at discrimination against women in STEM instead found that women were preferred over men by a rate of 2:1
In this case the researchers don't appear to have had a bias, but they justified their research because of claims that women were being discriminated against in STEM.

Williams, W. M., and Ceci, S. J. (2015). National hiring experiments reveal 2:1 faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 112, 5360–5365. doi: 10.1073/pnas.1418878112.
https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/112/17/5360.full.pdf

A study about employment discrimination in Australia found evidence of discrimination against men instead of women
Another study on gender blind hiring performed in Australia was meant to find discrimination against women, but instead found discrimination against men.

The research team fully expected to find far more female candidates shortlisted when sex was disguised. But, as the stunned team leader told the local media: "We found the opposite, that de-identifying candidates reduced the likelihood of women being selected for the shortlist."
https://reason.com/2019/10/22/orchestra-study-blind-auditions-gelman/

A study reporting discrimination against women in music instead found, and then tried to hide, evidence of discrimination against men
A widely cited study on orchestra auditions that supposedly found evidence of discrimination against women is flawed, and may in fact show the opposite. The results were not statistically significant since the data was flawed to begin with, which is perhaps what allowed the original researchers to mold it to their pre-determined conclusions. However, it does support the idea that men are discriminated against, a fact that shows up in their own data tables plain as day inside of the study.

The research went uncriticized for nearly two decades. That changed recently, when a few scholars and data scientist went back and read the whole study. The first thing that noticed is that the raw tabulations showed women doing worse [during blind auditions].
https://www.wsj.com/articles/blind-spots-in-the-blind-audition-study-11571599303

Feminist inspired "investigations" into pay discrimination against women at Google and the BBC instead found that men were being underpaid
Companies often come under fire for allegedly paying women less then men. Two companies that recently vowed to fix this instead learned that they were underpaying men, not women. Both have vowed to give raises to their male employees to fix a pay gap that they never expected to have.

Feminists have pointed out that men still outnumber women in high paid upper management positions, which might technically be true. But that wasn't the conclusion that they were fishing for when they first put pressure on these companies to look into this (ie, "equal pay for equal work").

Wakabayashi, Daisuke (2019, March 4). Google Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men as It Addresses Wage Equity. The New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/google-gender-pay-gap.html

Sherwin, A. (2018, January 30). BBC men to get pay rises as review rejects gender discrimination claims. iNews.
https://inews.co.uk/news/media/bbc-men-pay-rise-gender-514047

If you know of any others, feel free to post them in the comments. I just think it's funny that people are so confident that women have things worse that they automatically expect their research to back this up. This tendency to assume that women have things worse and are discriminated against is itself, I would argue, essentially a form of discrimination against men. Especially when those researchers try to hide or misinterpret their findings.

That's not to say that there aren't areas where women are legitimately discriminated against. People just tend to make assumptions in that direction that often don't pan out. In fact, the entire idea that men might face discrimination, and not as some kind of side effect of a greater form of discrimination against women, is almost sacrilegious to some people.

There is, incidentally, evidence of discrimination against research that dares to focus on men or men's issues. Research that focuses on men's issues gets cited less, reported in the media less, and the researchers involved have less access to academic resources and grant money compared to researchers who look into women's issues.

So maybe that's why some of these researchers downplay their findings when they find evidence of discrimination against men.

For example:

Browne, Kingsley R., Mind Which Gap? The Selective Concern Over Statistical Sex Disparities (2013). Florida International University Law Review, Vol. 8, 2013; Wayne State University Law School Research Paper No. 2013-22.
https://ssrn.com/abstract=2311459

Jussim, L. (2019). Scientific Bias in Favor of Studies Finding Gender Bias: Studies that find bias against women often get disproportionate attention.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...fic-bias-in-favor-studies-finding-gender-bias

I wonder how many studies have gone unpublished because the researchers didn't like their results, and knew it could negatively impact their careers. And I wonder how many of the studies showing discrimination against men were perhaps originally hypothesized to find discrimination against women, but were begrudgingly published anyway. In either case, this bias seems to run pretty deep. Which is something you wouldn't normally expect to find in academia.

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MaxZM98 said:
where is the original study?
No such thing in a bluepilled world.
GreaseCel said:
so fucking tired of this clown world. Literally women have every advantage, are given literally everything, and quite frankly it has been that way for all of history. Yet they demand more, and more, and more. They actually want to have control over everything, and to have all men as their slaves. And when you point out factual, statistical evidence (of which there is a mountain of) suddenly you are a bigot and a sexist.

They literally cry and say “we are being sexualized all the time!” While at the same exact time wearing clothes that render them essentially nude, and again calling you sexist when you point out the irony. They demand to be seen as gods and will burn any individual who uses things such as logic and reasoning.

I want so badly to feel empathy and compassion. I want so badly to have a normal world where all people are valuable and have their needs met, while contributing what they are capable.
I want so badly to care for all people.
But women’s behavior is so fantastical it is starting to become unbelievable. It’s almost like we are actually living in a dream.
Women will be the reason for extinction of humanity, for the downfall of our species. I am afraid it is too late to save it now.
Empathy itself is only an idea tbh. Given that it's selectively applied is proof of that. It's meant to be a pretty much universal thing but it's not. People simply don't relate to an ugly person in pain the way they do a beautiful person in pain.

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great compilation of studies. to prevent them from getting "creeped out", whatever the fuck that means, women would gladly choose for all incels to rot living ostracized for ever. they dont have empathy for us, at all.
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FrailPaleStaleMale said:
I took this from a Reddit post. Men without any power or privilege (most men) are deffinitely victims of a lot of bullshit. Something society likes to ignore.



There is a lot of research where the authors admit that they expected to find evidence of discrimination against women, but instead found evidence of discrimination against men.

Sometimes they take it gracefully and report their results in good faith. But other times they make excuses for it or try to cover it up.

The following is a list of 13 examples ranging from hiring discrimination, domestic violence, educational discrimination, and child custody discrimination.

Many of these are areas where people still assume that discrimination against women exists, despite formal academic research showing that it's really men who are discriminated against.

A study about employment discrimination against women and mothers instead uncovered discrimination against men and fathers
One study on hiring discrimination looked at the effects of marriage and parental status on a person's hiring prospects. They expected to find discrimination against women and against mothers specifically. What they found instead was that in every cohort, women were preferred over men. Whether single, married, childless, or with children. Instead of reporting on this novel finding, they instead went into detail about how pregnant women are discriminated against compared to non-pregnant women, which they try to frame as being sexist against women.

The fact that they found that women were preferred over men is buried inside of the body of the study, buffered by handwaving remarks about how pregnant women still face other difficulties related to employment (which I'm sure is valid but they straight up sound salty about the fact that their own research contradicted what they expected to find).

You can read the full text of the study here:

Becker, S. O., Fernandes, A., & Weichselbaumer, D. (2019). Discrimination in hiring based on potential and realized fertility: Evidence from a large-scale field experiment. Labour Economics, 59, 139-152.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0927537119300429

A study about domestic violence against women finds that men are more likely to be victims
A 2005 study on domestic violence wrote their entire abstract in a way that implies that domestic violence is significantly worse against women than against men. But the actual body of their research reports the exact opposite of that. A fact that other researchers eventually discovered and wrote about. While not strictly about discrimination, they are guilty of expecting to find that things were worse for women when in reality it's men who appear to be disproportionately effected.


Carney, M., Buttell, F., & Dutton, D. (2007). Women who perpetrate intimate partner violence: A review of the literature with recommendations for treatment. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 12(1), 108-115.
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...rature-With-Recommendations-for-Treatment.pdf

The offending study:

Felson, R. B., & Cares, A. C. (2005). Gender and the seriousness of assaults on intimate partners and other victims. Journal of Marriage and Family, 67(5), 1182-1195.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2005.00209.x

The 1975 US National Family Violence survey uncovered higher rates of abuse against men
The very first large scale federal study on domestic violence in the US was carried out by researchers who expected to find higher rates of female victimization compared to male victimization. The results of that study showed that slightly more men than women were victims of domestic violence, including severe forms of violence.

Two of those researchers -- Murray Straus and Suzanne Steinmetz -- spent the rest of their careers researching this phenomen after discovering this. Steinmetz, in particular, was the first researcher to coin the "battered husband syndrome" back in 1977, a concept that would eventually be coopted by feminists during the 1980s and derided as a "myth" when applied to men.

Straus, M. A. (2010). Thirty years of denying the evidence on gender symmetry in partner violence: Implications for prevention and treatment. Partner Abuse, 1(3), 332-362.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1891/1946-6560.1.3.332

Related to this is the fact that Erin Pizzey discovered the same thing "on the ground" after opening the world's first domestic violence shelter for women in Britain. She attempted to open one for men the very next year after becoming convinced that domestic violence was not a gendered issue, but quickly faced resistance. Including from some of the same people who backed her shelter for women.

All of the relevant parties here took this in stride and bravely went against the status quo. In some instances they even received death threats and bomb threats from feminists. This myth has continued to persists after decades of research debunking it. Likely because people simply want to believe that it's true.

Multiple CDC sexual victimization surveys have found similar rates of female-on-male sexual assault as male-on-female sexual assault, despite famously reporting the opposite
Several studies on sexual assault have found near equal rates of male victimization as female victimization.

While there are a few "honest" studies out there, several well-known studies have tried to hide this fact in their research. The primary strategy they use is to define female-on-male rape as "something else that's not rape". There are other criticisms that come up though, including the issue of "priming" respondents.

Recently the CDC has come under fire for this.


Stemple, L., & Meyer, I. H. (2014). The sexual victimization of men in America: New data challenge old assumptions. American Journal of Public Health, 104(6), e19-e26.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/

A study trying to prove that mothers are discriminated against in family court instead found the exact opposite, and then tried to hide it
A study from the late 1980s on child custody discrimination expected to find discrimination against mothers, and not fathers, but instead discovered that men were 6 times less likely to gain custody compared to identically placed women.

Not only did their publication attempt to use dishonest statistical shenanigans to hide this, they tried to burry the raw data to prevent other researchers from double checking their findings. Their study is still widely cited by other researchers as well as by random people on the Internet, because it is the only study that, on the surface, found discrimination against mothers (making it the perfect example of "cherry picking evidence"). In one meta study it sticks out like a sore thumb in comparison to ~10 other studies that found the exact opposite.

You can read that meta study here, and a list of sources on page 974 in the footnotes:

"Beyond Economic Fatherhood: Encouraging Divorced Fathers to Parent".
https://www.law.upenn.edu/journals/...3/issue3/Maldonado153U.Pa.L.Rev.921(2005).pdf

The offending study:

Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court Gender Bias Study Committee,. (1989). Gender Bias Study of the Court System in Massachusetts.
The story of how one researcher discovered that the study was fraudulent, and how he came into possession of the raw data that they tried to bury, can be found here:

Rosenthal, M. B. (1995). Misrepresentation of Gender Bias in the 1989 Report of the Gender Bias Committee of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court. Breaking The Science.
http://www.breakingthescience.org/SJC_GBC_analysis_intro.php

Unsubstantiated reports that women were underrepresented in medical research has created a large gap against male medical research
The researchers in this case may not have had a bias, but the research was conducted because of a general assumption that medical research was unfairly focused on men. The complaints were loud enough to inspire research into the topic where it was quickly discovered that far more interest and money is put into women's health research than men's, including even in areas where men are known to be effected more.

Recently John Oliver repeated these myths, despite some of this research being almost 20 years old now.

Bartlett, E. E. (2001). Did medical research routinely exclude women? An examination of the evidence. Epidemiology, 12(5), 584-586.
https://journals.lww.com/epidem/Ful..._Research_Routinely_Exclude_Women__An.20.aspx

"John Oliver repeats healthcare myths in his coverage of gender bias in the healthcare field". Men Are Human.
https://menarehuman.com/6195-2/

A study expecting to find discrimination against girls in math and science instead found that boys are discriminated against in literally every single subject
Another study on educational discrimination expected to find discrimination against female students, in part to explain why girls struggle in math and science. They instead found exactly the opposite of this: that male students were discriminated against in every subject, including even in math and science. This study was honest in how they reported their results though. And the researchers were humble enough to admit that they expected to find different results in the abstract.


Lavy, V. (2008). Do gender stereotypes reduce girls' or boys' human capital outcomes? Evidence from a natural experiment. Journal of public Economics, 92(10-11), 2083-2105.
https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/vlavy/lavy_j.public.e_10.2008_gender_steriotypes.pdf

A researcher expecting to find discrimination against women in STEM instead found discriminated against men
An unpublished experiment meant to find discrimination against women in STEM instead found evidence of the opposite. The researcher masked the voices of candidates so that their gender wouldn't be known in interviews. The idea was that female candidates would do better than what they do when their gender is known. She instead found that this gender blind process benefited men instead of women, indicating that there was gender discrimination against men.

Turner, Karen. (2016, July 25). This tool gender-swapped the voices of tech job candidates. Here’s what happened. The Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-of-tech-job-candidates-heres-what-happened/

A study looking at discrimination against women in STEM instead found that women were preferred over men by a rate of 2:1
In this case the researchers don't appear to have had a bias, but they justified their research because of claims that women were being discriminated against in STEM.

Williams, W. M., and Ceci, S. J. (2015). National hiring experiments reveal 2:1 faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 112, 5360–5365. doi: 10.1073/pnas.1418878112.
https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/112/17/5360.full.pdf

A study about employment discrimination in Australia found evidence of discrimination against men instead of women
Another study on gender blind hiring performed in Australia was meant to find discrimination against women, but instead found discrimination against men.


https://reason.com/2019/10/22/orchestra-study-blind-auditions-gelman/

A study reporting discrimination against women in music instead found, and then tried to hide, evidence of discrimination against men
A widely cited study on orchestra auditions that supposedly found evidence of discrimination against women is flawed, and may in fact show the opposite. The results were not statistically significant since the data was flawed to begin with, which is perhaps what allowed the original researchers to mold it to their pre-determined conclusions. However, it does support the idea that men are discriminated against, a fact that shows up in their own data tables plain as day inside of the study.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/blind-spots-in-the-blind-audition-study-11571599303

Feminist inspired "investigations" into pay discrimination against women at Google and the BBC instead found that men were being underpaid
Companies often come under fire for allegedly paying women less then men. Two companies that recently vowed to fix this instead learned that they were underpaying men, not women. Both have vowed to give raises to their male employees to fix a pay gap that they never expected to have.

Feminists have pointed out that men still outnumber women in high paid upper management positions, which might technically be true. But that wasn't the conclusion that they were fishing for when they first put pressure on these companies to look into this (ie, "equal pay for equal work").

Wakabayashi, Daisuke (2019, March 4). Google Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men as It Addresses Wage Equity. The New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/google-gender-pay-gap.html

Sherwin, A. (2018, January 30). BBC men to get pay rises as review rejects gender discrimination claims. iNews.
https://inews.co.uk/news/media/bbc-men-pay-rise-gender-514047

If you know of any others, feel free to post them in the comments. I just think it's funny that people are so confident that women have things worse that they automatically expect their research to back this up. This tendency to assume that women have things worse and are discriminated against is itself, I would argue, essentially a form of discrimination against men. Especially when those researchers try to hide or misinterpret their findings.

That's not to say that there aren't areas where women are legitimately discriminated against. People just tend to make assumptions in that direction that often don't pan out. In fact, the entire idea that men might face discrimination, and not as some kind of side effect of a greater form of discrimination against women, is almost sacrilegious to some people.

There is, incidentally, evidence of discrimination against research that dares to focus on men or men's issues. Research that focuses on men's issues gets cited less, reported in the media less, and the researchers involved have less access to academic resources and grant money compared to researchers who look into women's issues.

So maybe that's why some of these researchers downplay their findings when they find evidence of discrimination against men.

For example:

Browne, Kingsley R., Mind Which Gap? The Selective Concern Over Statistical Sex Disparities (2013). Florida International University Law Review, Vol. 8, 2013; Wayne State University Law School Research Paper No. 2013-22.
https://ssrn.com/abstract=2311459

Jussim, L. (2019). Scientific Bias in Favor of Studies Finding Gender Bias: Studies that find bias against women often get disproportionate attention.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...fic-bias-in-favor-studies-finding-gender-bias

I wonder how many studies have gone unpublished because the researchers didn't like their results, and knew it could negatively impact their careers. And I wonder how many of the studies showing discrimination against men were perhaps originally hypothesized to find discrimination against women, but were begrudgingly published anyway. In either case, this bias seems to run pretty deep. Which is something you wouldn't normally expect to find in academia.

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Of course it's removed, reddit is a feminist run, left-wing shithole. Anything that attempts to give out actual facts or information (or even an opinion that is contrary to theirs) gets banned. Reddit is basically tumblr for people who aren't touching themselves the whole time they're on the site. A bunch of dickheads. I honestly hope reddit gets removed
BasedManlet said:
"we can't take it seriously, it's ONLY 13 studies" meanwhile they allow a bunch of stupid anecdotes which no real evidence or stories that have one buzzfeed or vice news article as a "source". Pathetic le reddit.
FrailPaleStaleMale said:
I took this from a Reddit post. Men without any power or privilege (most men) are deffinitely victims of a lot of bullshit. Something society likes to ignore.



There is a lot of research where the authors admit that they expected to find evidence of discrimination against women, but instead found evidence of discrimination against men.

Sometimes they take it gracefully and report their results in good faith. But other times they make excuses for it or try to cover it up.

The following is a list of 13 examples ranging from hiring discrimination, domestic violence, educational discrimination, and child custody discrimination.

Many of these are areas where people still assume that discrimination against women exists, despite formal academic research showing that it's really men who are discriminated against.

A study about employment discrimination against women and mothers instead uncovered discrimination against men and fathers
One study on hiring discrimination looked at the effects of marriage and parental status on a person's hiring prospects. They expected to find discrimination against women and against mothers specifically. What they found instead was that in every cohort, women were preferred over men. Whether single, married, childless, or with children. Instead of reporting on this novel finding, they instead went into detail about how pregnant women are discriminated against compared to non-pregnant women, which they try to frame as being sexist against women.

The fact that they found that women were preferred over men is buried inside of the body of the study, buffered by handwaving remarks about how pregnant women still face other difficulties related to employment (which I'm sure is valid but they straight up sound salty about the fact that their own research contradicted what they expected to find).

You can read the full text of the study here:

Becker, S. O., Fernandes, A., & Weichselbaumer, D. (2019). Discrimination in hiring based on potential and realized fertility: Evidence from a large-scale field experiment. Labour Economics, 59, 139-152.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0927537119300429

A study about domestic violence against women finds that men are more likely to be victims
A 2005 study on domestic violence wrote their entire abstract in a way that implies that domestic violence is significantly worse against women than against men. But the actual body of their research reports the exact opposite of that. A fact that other researchers eventually discovered and wrote about. While not strictly about discrimination, they are guilty of expecting to find that things were worse for women when in reality it's men who appear to be disproportionately effected.


Carney, M., Buttell, F., & Dutton, D. (2007). Women who perpetrate intimate partner violence: A review of the literature with recommendations for treatment. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 12(1), 108-115.
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...rature-With-Recommendations-for-Treatment.pdf

The offending study:

Felson, R. B., & Cares, A. C. (2005). Gender and the seriousness of assaults on intimate partners and other victims. Journal of Marriage and Family, 67(5), 1182-1195.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2005.00209.x

The 1975 US National Family Violence survey uncovered higher rates of abuse against men
The very first large scale federal study on domestic violence in the US was carried out by researchers who expected to find higher rates of female victimization compared to male victimization. The results of that study showed that slightly more men than women were victims of domestic violence, including severe forms of violence.

Two of those researchers -- Murray Straus and Suzanne Steinmetz -- spent the rest of their careers researching this phenomen after discovering this. Steinmetz, in particular, was the first researcher to coin the "battered husband syndrome" back in 1977, a concept that would eventually be coopted by feminists during the 1980s and derided as a "myth" when applied to men.

Straus, M. A. (2010). Thirty years of denying the evidence on gender symmetry in partner violence: Implications for prevention and treatment. Partner Abuse, 1(3), 332-362.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1891/1946-6560.1.3.332

Related to this is the fact that Erin Pizzey discovered the same thing "on the ground" after opening the world's first domestic violence shelter for women in Britain. She attempted to open one for men the very next year after becoming convinced that domestic violence was not a gendered issue, but quickly faced resistance. Including from some of the same people who backed her shelter for women.

All of the relevant parties here took this in stride and bravely went against the status quo. In some instances they even received death threats and bomb threats from feminists. This myth has continued to persists after decades of research debunking it. Likely because people simply want to believe that it's true.

Multiple CDC sexual victimization surveys have found similar rates of female-on-male sexual assault as male-on-female sexual assault, despite famously reporting the opposite
Several studies on sexual assault have found near equal rates of male victimization as female victimization.

While there are a few "honest" studies out there, several well-known studies have tried to hide this fact in their research. The primary strategy they use is to define female-on-male rape as "something else that's not rape". There are other criticisms that come up though, including the issue of "priming" respondents.

Recently the CDC has come under fire for this.


Stemple, L., & Meyer, I. H. (2014). The sexual victimization of men in America: New data challenge old assumptions. American Journal of Public Health, 104(6), e19-e26.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/

A study trying to prove that mothers are discriminated against in family court instead found the exact opposite, and then tried to hide it
A study from the late 1980s on child custody discrimination expected to find discrimination against mothers, and not fathers, but instead discovered that men were 6 times less likely to gain custody compared to identically placed women.

Not only did their publication attempt to use dishonest statistical shenanigans to hide this, they tried to burry the raw data to prevent other researchers from double checking their findings. Their study is still widely cited by other researchers as well as by random people on the Internet, because it is the only study that, on the surface, found discrimination against mothers (making it the perfect example of "cherry picking evidence"). In one meta study it sticks out like a sore thumb in comparison to ~10 other studies that found the exact opposite.

You can read that meta study here, and a list of sources on page 974 in the footnotes:

"Beyond Economic Fatherhood: Encouraging Divorced Fathers to Parent".
https://www.law.upenn.edu/journals/...3/issue3/Maldonado153U.Pa.L.Rev.921(2005).pdf

The offending study:

Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court Gender Bias Study Committee,. (1989). Gender Bias Study of the Court System in Massachusetts.
The story of how one researcher discovered that the study was fraudulent, and how he came into possession of the raw data that they tried to bury, can be found here:

Rosenthal, M. B. (1995). Misrepresentation of Gender Bias in the 1989 Report of the Gender Bias Committee of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court. Breaking The Science.
http://www.breakingthescience.org/SJC_GBC_analysis_intro.php

Unsubstantiated reports that women were underrepresented in medical research has created a large gap against male medical research
The researchers in this case may not have had a bias, but the research was conducted because of a general assumption that medical research was unfairly focused on men. The complaints were loud enough to inspire research into the topic where it was quickly discovered that far more interest and money is put into women's health research than men's, including even in areas where men are known to be effected more.

Recently John Oliver repeated these myths, despite some of this research being almost 20 years old now.

Bartlett, E. E. (2001). Did medical research routinely exclude women? An examination of the evidence. Epidemiology, 12(5), 584-586.
https://journals.lww.com/epidem/Ful..._Research_Routinely_Exclude_Women__An.20.aspx

"John Oliver repeats healthcare myths in his coverage of gender bias in the healthcare field". Men Are Human.
https://menarehuman.com/6195-2/

A study expecting to find discrimination against girls in math and science instead found that boys are discriminated against in literally every single subject
Another study on educational discrimination expected to find discrimination against female students, in part to explain why girls struggle in math and science. They instead found exactly the opposite of this: that male students were discriminated against in every subject, including even in math and science. This study was honest in how they reported their results though. And the researchers were humble enough to admit that they expected to find different results in the abstract.


Lavy, V. (2008). Do gender stereotypes reduce girls' or boys' human capital outcomes? Evidence from a natural experiment. Journal of public Economics, 92(10-11), 2083-2105.
https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/vlavy/lavy_j.public.e_10.2008_gender_steriotypes.pdf

A researcher expecting to find discrimination against women in STEM instead found discriminated against men
An unpublished experiment meant to find discrimination against women in STEM instead found evidence of the opposite. The researcher masked the voices of candidates so that their gender wouldn't be known in interviews. The idea was that female candidates would do better than what they do when their gender is known. She instead found that this gender blind process benefited men instead of women, indicating that there was gender discrimination against men.

Turner, Karen. (2016, July 25). This tool gender-swapped the voices of tech job candidates. Here’s what happened. The Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-of-tech-job-candidates-heres-what-happened/

A study looking at discrimination against women in STEM instead found that women were preferred over men by a rate of 2:1
In this case the researchers don't appear to have had a bias, but they justified their research because of claims that women were being discriminated against in STEM.

Williams, W. M., and Ceci, S. J. (2015). National hiring experiments reveal 2:1 faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 112, 5360–5365. doi: 10.1073/pnas.1418878112.
https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/112/17/5360.full.pdf

A study about employment discrimination in Australia found evidence of discrimination against men instead of women
Another study on gender blind hiring performed in Australia was meant to find discrimination against women, but instead found discrimination against men.


https://reason.com/2019/10/22/orchestra-study-blind-auditions-gelman/

A study reporting discrimination against women in music instead found, and then tried to hide, evidence of discrimination against men
A widely cited study on orchestra auditions that supposedly found evidence of discrimination against women is flawed, and may in fact show the opposite. The results were not statistically significant since the data was flawed to begin with, which is perhaps what allowed the original researchers to mold it to their pre-determined conclusions. However, it does support the idea that men are discriminated against, a fact that shows up in their own data tables plain as day inside of the study.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/blind-spots-in-the-blind-audition-study-11571599303

Feminist inspired "investigations" into pay discrimination against women at Google and the BBC instead found that men were being underpaid
Companies often come under fire for allegedly paying women less then men. Two companies that recently vowed to fix this instead learned that they were underpaying men, not women. Both have vowed to give raises to their male employees to fix a pay gap that they never expected to have.

Feminists have pointed out that men still outnumber women in high paid upper management positions, which might technically be true. But that wasn't the conclusion that they were fishing for when they first put pressure on these companies to look into this (ie, "equal pay for equal work").

Wakabayashi, Daisuke (2019, March 4). Google Finds It’s Underpaying Many Men as It Addresses Wage Equity. The New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/google-gender-pay-gap.html

Sherwin, A. (2018, January 30). BBC men to get pay rises as review rejects gender discrimination claims. iNews.
https://inews.co.uk/news/media/bbc-men-pay-rise-gender-514047

If you know of any others, feel free to post them in the comments. I just think it's funny that people are so confident that women have things worse that they automatically expect their research to back this up. This tendency to assume that women have things worse and are discriminated against is itself, I would argue, essentially a form of discrimination against men. Especially when those researchers try to hide or misinterpret their findings.

That's not to say that there aren't areas where women are legitimately discriminated against. People just tend to make assumptions in that direction that often don't pan out. In fact, the entire idea that men might face discrimination, and not as some kind of side effect of a greater form of discrimination against women, is almost sacrilegious to some people.

There is, incidentally, evidence of discrimination against research that dares to focus on men or men's issues. Research that focuses on men's issues gets cited less, reported in the media less, and the researchers involved have less access to academic resources and grant money compared to researchers who look into women's issues.

So maybe that's why some of these researchers downplay their findings when they find evidence of discrimination against men.

For example:

Browne, Kingsley R., Mind Which Gap? The Selective Concern Over Statistical Sex Disparities (2013). Florida International University Law Review, Vol. 8, 2013; Wayne State University Law School Research Paper No. 2013-22.
https://ssrn.com/abstract=2311459

Jussim, L. (2019). Scientific Bias in Favor of Studies Finding Gender Bias: Studies that find bias against women often get disproportionate attention.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...fic-bias-in-favor-studies-finding-gender-bias

I wonder how many studies have gone unpublished because the researchers didn't like their results, and knew it could negatively impact their careers. And I wonder how many of the studies showing discrimination against men were perhaps originally hypothesized to find discrimination against women, but were begrudgingly published anyway. In either case, this bias seems to run pretty deep. Which is something you wouldn't normally expect to find in academia.

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Things many men envy about women:
- Being allowed to interact with children without being seen as a likely predator.
- Being able to have friends of the opposite sex without having it assumed you want to have sex with them.
- Being able to break down and cry when you feel overwhelmed without being thought of as weak.
- Being able to sit on a bench at a park anywhere near a playground without having your motives for being there questioned.
- Being taken seriously when trying to file a sexual harassment complaint.
- Not being the one carted off to jail when you're the victim of a domestic disturbance.
- Being allowed to express physical or emotional pain without being called weak or a sissy.
- Having access to the same level of resources when it comes to being the victim of sexual assault, domestic abuse, and similar issues.
- Not dealing with the double standards like being told that we can't possibly understand what life is like for women because we're not women, but having those same women acting like authorities on what life is like for men even though they're not men.
- Not dealing with the double standard of being accused of "mansplaining" (even if we actually are the authority on the subject in the conversation and we're being respectful)... but when women take the exact same attitude that defines "mansplaining", it's referred to as "educating".
- Not being talked down to if you have the kid(s) with you while running errands with things like "It looks like daddy is babysitting today". ("No. I'm actually the one raising the kids as a stay-at-home dad. I'm not the babysitter, I'm their primary caregiver.") Basically, being given credit for being able to be a capable parent who can raise and nurture a child.
- Women are considered the safer parent for children but are statistically significantly more likely to abuse, neglect, or kill their child.
- Having people not question out of context statistics. For example: the $0.75 on the dollar earnings (often started as being for the same work) not only doesn't make economic sense, but multiple economists say that it's an average and in context the gap is much smaller when you take into account the differences in life and career choices between men and women. (E.g., more women become nurses, which is a lower paying field than being doctors as men are pushed toward. Even between male and female doctors, males are pushed toward higher paying specializations.)
- Men are inherently accused as being more aggressive, but studies have shown that's just physical aggression. When social, emotional, and physical aggression are all accounted for... females are actually statistically significantly more aggressive (by about 1/3 as much).
- Women don't face the same stigmas a men when it comes to things like seeking therapy for psychological issues or even seeking out emotional support. This is one of the primary reasons male suicide rates are four times that of women.
- If a man wants to fight for custody of his kid(s), he's only going to win about 1 in every 6 cases at best. And that is only if he can show decisively that the mother is unfit to care for the children. In essence, from the start he's effectively having to appeal a judgement that's already set against him as a capable parent.
- Having a lower chance of being assaulted by strangers
- Having a lower chance of being murdered in general (strangers or associates)
- Having a lower chance of dying in a workplace accident
- Having a longer average lifespan
- Having a lower chance of being sexually assaulted in general (especially if you consider prison statistics)
- Being able to tell someone their kid is cute and not get put on a registry.
- Being able to be in physical pain without people saying "man up" or "walk it off"
- Having a much higher likelihood of winning court cases in general (not just family courts)
- Not being called a virgin or an incel because you disagree with the opposite gender
- Being able to find a partner much easier
- Being less likely to commit suicide
- Being less likely to die in a car accident/on the road
- Having a lower chance of being homeless
- Having a higher chance of being in university
- Having a higher chance of having an available shelter
- Having a higher chance of being a millionaire (at ages 18-44)

None of this, by the way, is any attempt on my part to minimize women's issues or say men have it worse.
Only to recognize that "privilege" is a very subjective concept and that men don't have things nearly as good as the dominant social narratives assert.


References:

Some of these things should be pretty obvious and not need a reference (e.g. women have longer lifespan than men, I don't need to prove that, it's a commonly accepted fact that women's average lifespan is a few years longer than men's generally speaking, in most countries. Or that girls get better marks than boys in school testing currently, look up top 100 schools in Australia and see how many are all girls compared to all boys or co-ed schools).
Some of these things don't have studies (e.g. more likely to be called virgin/incel because you disagree with opposite gender), so I can't reference them, but I thought they'd be agreeable to most people regardless. Or anecdotal findings (which aren't empirical but may be shared amongst many e.g. I've been turned down from a job before because they were looking for or preferred a female, and while they didn't say that, that's actually just sexism).
Also, some of these are similar so I'll lump some together.

Gender and Risk Perception


"Men don't cry" "Masculine men strong, emotional men weak" and how these are harmful perceptions

Being seen as a predator because you're not a woman (labelling someone as a rapist means you're psychologically tuning them to be a rapist, who would've thought? -.- )

The difference in sexual harrassment complaints

Domestic abuse related differences
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01531962 (more men were charged more often than women, but more women were given "more serious charges")
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-06/fact-file-domestic-violence-statistics/7147938?nw=0 (one in 3 Australian men have suffered domestic abuse, one in 4 Australian women have suffered domestic abuse)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09...c-violence-shame-stigma-support/12495738?nw=0 (Male victims and the stigma they face)

Resource availability (especially for victims) and gender disparity in mental health
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/men-and-mental-health/index.shtml (men "less likely" to get mental health help, more likely to die via suicide)
https://xyonline.net/sites/xyonline.net/files/2020-11/Lombard, 'What about the men' 2013.pdf ("What about the men?")
https://www.who.int/mental_health/media/en/242.pdf (women more likely to have mental health issues, but also more likely to get support for them and less likely to commit suicide because of them)

Double Standards
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0001839217694358
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4256532/ ("if a woman has sex with a bunch of guys, she's a slut, but if a guy does it, he gets praise" - nope, only according to data from the 60s, see this study to see how/why promiscuity isn't judged by gender any more)
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00544/full ("both men and women showed self-depreceating double standards" i.e. it's not just women who think they're not beautiful enough or good enough to be in the media or w/e, men feel that too)
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ave_internalized_the_muscular_male_body_ideal (the "ideal male" is seen as the extremely muscular man by both boys and girls, whereas the "ideal woman" isn't as "set")

Women considered safer parents/babysitters regardless of statistics
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02...ildren-on-the-rise-domestic-filicide/10793162 (mothers killing their offspring is on the rise, fathers doing so is declining)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213411000718 (seems like men and women are both just as bad in terms of filicide, not that men are these terrible things you should keep kids away from)
https://www.researchgate.net/public..._filicide_offenders_in_two_European_countries (Aussie study of filicide, fathers more often diagnosed with substance abuse and more likely to commit suicide afterwards i.e. feel guilt)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4315896/ ("more females sexually abused, more males physically abused" "a history of sexual abuse...related to sexual offending." "A history of physical abuse...related to violent offending") (Note, this logic would imply that the majority of sexual abusers currently or in the future will be female)
https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/who-abuses-children ("Evidence also suggests that mothers are more likely than fathers to be held responsible for child neglect. In a large representative study that examined the characteristics of perpetrators in substantiated cases of child abuse and neglect in the United States, neglect was the main type of abuse in 66% of cases involving a female caregiver, compared to 36% of cases involving a male caregiver (US DHHS, 2005). )

Feminist wage gap myth/propaganda

Women are more aggressive than men (except for physically)
https://www.researchgate.net/public...intimate_relationships_Comment_on_Archer_2000 (this says women are actually more likely to be physically aggressive even)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281360521_Women_and_aggression (female competition is generally "intersexually" or "indirect aggression")
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnbeh.2018.00081/full
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187704281200287X (neurobiological reasons for differences in aggression)

Custody Statistics
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2016/demo/P60-255.pdf (one in 6 custodial parents are fathers, or 17.5%)
https://scholarship.law.stjohns.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1522&context=lawreview
https://www.divorcenet.com/resource...-men-why-women-get-child-custody-over-80-time ("There was once a presumption that children should always stay with their mother following a divorce. Most states no longer honor that presumption, however. (In fact, some states have passed laws stating that there is no custody preference for women over men.) Despite this change, mothers are still more likely to get custody when parents divorce.")

Chances of being a victim/likelihood of danger/female biased gender disparities
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1635092/ (men more likely to be victims of homocide)
https://globalnews.ca/news/6536184/gender-based-violence-men-women/ (men more likely to be victims of homocide)
https://www.unodc.org/gsh/en/data.html (According to the data given by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, worldwide, 78.7% of homicide victims are male, and in 193 of the 202 listed countries or regions, males were more likely to be killed than females. In two, the ratio was 50:50 (Switzerland and British Virgin Islands), and in the remaining 7; Tonga, Iceland, Japan, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Latvia and Hong Kong, females were more likely to be victims of homicides compared to males.)
https://theconversation.com/men-are...lia-what-can-we-do-to-reduce-their-risk-78251 (Australian men more likely to be victims of homocide)
https://healthydebate.ca/2017/08/topic/male-suicide (men more likely to be victims of suicide)
https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-methods-1067508 (male suicide attempts "60% more severe" than female suicide attempts, women are more likely to engage in self harming behaviour though)
https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-017-1398-8 (men "disproportionately" high in terms of number of suicides)
https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.a...-fatalities-key-whs-statistics-australia-2018 (Australian men suffer many more workplace injuries and fatalities than women)
https://www.amhf.org.au/exactly_how_big_is_the_gender_health_gap (Australian gender health gap)
https://www.statista.com/statistics...injury-deaths-in-the-us-by-gender-since-2003/ (men much more likely to have occupational accidents than women, even in the US)
https://endhomelessness.org/demographic-data-project-gender-and-individual-homelessness/ (70% chance that a homeless person is a man, 29% a woman, 1% trans)
https://www.homelessnessaustralia.o...essaus/files/2017-07/Homelessness and men.pdf (59% chance that a homeless person in Australia is a man)
https://melbourne-cshe.unimelb.edu....ender-Enrolment-Trends-F-Larkins-Sep-2018.pdf (ratio of 100 females to 72 males in universities in Australia)
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parlia...rary/Publications_Archive/CIB/cib0203/03CIB31 (more female students are universities, more male staff)
https://www.marketingcharts.com/industries/retail-and-e-commerce-41022 ("female millionaires have a higher net worth than their male counterparts")
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/...res-in-the-us-earned-more-than-men-on-average (female US millionaires earning more on average than male US millioniares)
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/aug/29/women-in-20s-earn-more-men-same-age-study-finds (women in their 20s earn more for than men in their 20s, it seems like the opposite to the feminist wage gap myth is the reality lol)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09...en-earn-more-than-men-fact-check/5712770?nw=0 (women get paid more than men of the same age, but that's because 3 females graduate for every 2 males, women make up around 57% of university students/graduates)
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/gender-pay-gap-where-women-earn-more-2018-4?r=US&IR=T (jobs where women earn more than men)
 
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Of course it's removed, reddit is a feminist run, left-wing shithole. Anything that attempts to give out actual facts or information (or even an opinion that is contrary to theirs) gets banned. Reddit is basically tumblr for people who aren't touching themselves the whole time they're on the site. A bunch of dickheads. I honestly hope reddit gets removed

"we can't take it seriously, it's ONLY 13 studies" meanwhile they allow a bunch of stupid anecdotes which no real evidence or stories that have one buzzfeed or vice news article as a "source". Pathetic le reddit.



Things many men envy about women:
- Being allowed to interact with children without being seen as a likely predator.
- Being able to have friends of the opposite sex without having it assumed you want to have sex with them.
- Being able to break down and cry when you feel overwhelmed without being thought of as weak.
- Being able to sit on a bench at a park anywhere near a playground without having your motives for being there questioned.
- Being taken seriously when trying to file a sexual harassment complaint.
- Not being the one carted off to jail when you're the victim of a domestic disturbance.
- Being allowed to express physical or emotional pain without being called weak or a sissy.
- Having access to the same level of resources when it comes to being the victim of sexual assault, domestic abuse, and similar issues.
- Not dealing with the double standards like being told that we can't possibly understand what life is like for women because we're not women, but having those same women acting like authorities on what life is like for men even though they're not men.
- Not dealing with the double standard of being accused of "mansplaining" (even if we actually are the authority on the subject in the conversation and we're being respectful)... but when women take the exact same attitude that defines "mansplaining", it's referred to as "educating".
- Not being talked down to if you have the kid(s) with you while running errands with things like "It looks like daddy is babysitting today". ("No. I'm actually the one raising the kids as a stay-at-home dad. I'm not the babysitter, I'm their primary caregiver.") Basically, being given credit for being able to be a capable parent who can raise and nurture a child.
- Women are considered the safer parent for children but are statistically significantly more likely to abuse, neglect, or kill their child.
- Having people not question out of context statistics. For example: the $0.75 on the dollar earnings (often started as being for the same work) not only doesn't make economic sense, but multiple economists say that it's an average and in context the gap is much smaller when you take into account the differences in life and career choices between men and women. (E.g., more women become nurses, which is a lower paying field than being doctors as men are pushed toward. Even between male and female doctors, males are pushed toward higher paying specializations.)
- Men are inherently accused as being more aggressive, but studies have shown that's just physical aggression. When social, emotional, and physical aggression are all accounted for... females are actually statistically significantly more aggressive (by about 1/3 as much).
- Women don't face the same stigmas a men when it comes to things like seeking therapy for psychological issues or even seeking out emotional support. This is one of the primary reasons male suicide rates are four times that of women.
- If a man wants to fight for custody of his kid(s), he's only going to win about 1 in every 6 cases at best. And that is only if he can show decisively that the mother is unfit to care for the children. In essence, from the start he's effectively having to appeal a judgement that's already set against him as a capable parent.
- Having a lower chance of being assaulted by strangers
- Having a lower chance of being murdered in general (strangers or associates)
- Having a lower chance of dying in a workplace accident
- Having a longer average lifespan
- Having a lower chance of being sexually assaulted in general (especially if you consider prison statistics)
- Being able to tell someone their kid is cute and not get put on a registry.
- Being able to be in physical pain without people saying "man up" or "walk it off"
- Having a much higher likelihood of winning court cases in general (not just family courts)
- Not being called a virgin or an incel because you disagree with the opposite gender
- Being able to find a partner much easier
- Being less likely to commit suicide
- Being less likely to die in a car accident/on the road
- Having a lower chance of being homeless
- Having a higher chance of being in university
- Having a higher chance of having an available shelter
- Having a higher chance of being a millionaire (at ages 18-44)

None of this, by the way, is any attempt on my part to minimize women's issues or say men have it worse.
Only to recognize that "privilege" is a very subjective concept and that men don't have things nearly as good as the dominant social narratives assert.


References:

Some of these things should be pretty obvious and not need a reference (e.g. women have longer lifespan than men, I don't need to prove that, it's a commonly accepted fact that women's average lifespan is a few years longer than men's generally speaking, in most countries. Or that girls get better marks than boys in school testing currently, look up top 100 schools in Australia and see how many are all girls compared to all boys or co-ed schools).
Some of these things don't have studies (e.g. more likely to be called virgin/incel because you disagree with opposite gender), so I can't reference them, but I thought they'd be agreeable to most people regardless. Or anecdotal findings (which aren't empirical but may be shared amongst many e.g. I've been turned down from a job before because they were looking for or preferred a female, and while they didn't say that, that's actually just sexism).
Also, some of these are similar so I'll lump some together.

Gender and Risk Perception


"Men don't cry" "Masculine men strong, emotional men weak" and how these are harmful perceptions

Being seen as a predator because you're not a woman (labelling someone as a rapist means you're psychologically tuning them to be a rapist, who would've thought? -.- )

The difference in sexual harrassment complaints

Domestic abuse related differences
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01531962 (more men were charged more often than women, but more women were given "more serious charges")
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-06/fact-file-domestic-violence-statistics/7147938?nw=0 (one in 3 Australian men have suffered domestic abuse, one in 4 Australian women have suffered domestic abuse)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09...c-violence-shame-stigma-support/12495738?nw=0 (Male victims and the stigma they face)

Resource availability (especially for victims) and gender disparity in mental health
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/men-and-mental-health/index.shtml (men "less likely" to get mental health help, more likely to die via suicide)
https://xyonline.net/sites/xyonline.net/files/2020-11/Lombard, 'What about the men' 2013.pdf ("What about the men?")
https://www.who.int/mental_health/media/en/242.pdf (women more likely to have mental health issues, but also more likely to get support for them and less likely to commit suicide because of them)

Double Standards
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0001839217694358
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4256532/ ("if a woman has sex with a bunch of guys, she's a slut, but if a guy does it, he gets praise" - nope, only according to data from the 60s, see this study to see how/why promiscuity isn't judged by gender any more)
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00544/full ("both men and women showed self-depreceating double standards" i.e. it's not just women who think they're not beautiful enough or good enough to be in the media or w/e, men feel that too)
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ave_internalized_the_muscular_male_body_ideal (the "ideal male" is seen as the extremely muscular man by both boys and girls, whereas the "ideal woman" isn't as "set")

Women considered safer parents/babysitters regardless of statistics
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02...ildren-on-the-rise-domestic-filicide/10793162 (mothers killing their offspring is on the rise, fathers doing so is declining)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213411000718 (seems like men and women are both just as bad in terms of filicide, not that men are these terrible things you should keep kids away from)
https://www.researchgate.net/public..._filicide_offenders_in_two_European_countries (Aussie study of filicide, fathers more often diagnosed with substance abuse and more likely to commit suicide afterwards i.e. feel guilt)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4315896/ ("more females sexually abused, more males physically abused" "a history of sexual abuse...related to sexual offending." "A history of physical abuse...related to violent offending") (Note, this logic would imply that the majority of sexual abusers currently or in the future will be female)
https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/who-abuses-children ("Evidence also suggests that mothers are more likely than fathers to be held responsible for child neglect. In a large representative study that examined the characteristics of perpetrators in substantiated cases of child abuse and neglect in the United States, neglect was the main type of abuse in 66% of cases involving a female caregiver, compared to 36% of cases involving a male caregiver (US DHHS, 2005). )

Feminist wage gap myth/propaganda

Women are more aggressive than men (except for physically)
https://www.researchgate.net/public...intimate_relationships_Comment_on_Archer_2000 (this says women are actually more likely to be physically aggressive even)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281360521_Women_and_aggression (female competition is generally "intersexually" or "indirect aggression")
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnbeh.2018.00081/full
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187704281200287X (neurobiological reasons for differences in aggression)

Custody Statistics
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2016/demo/P60-255.pdf (one in 6 custodial parents are fathers, or 17.5%)
https://scholarship.law.stjohns.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1522&context=lawreview
https://www.divorcenet.com/resource...-men-why-women-get-child-custody-over-80-time ("There was once a presumption that children should always stay with their mother following a divorce. Most states no longer honor that presumption, however. (In fact, some states have passed laws stating that there is no custody preference for women over men.) Despite this change, mothers are still more likely to get custody when parents divorce.")

Chances of being a victim/likelihood of danger/female biased gender disparities
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1635092/ (men more likely to be victims of homocide)
https://globalnews.ca/news/6536184/gender-based-violence-men-women/ (men more likely to be victims of homocide)
https://www.unodc.org/gsh/en/data.html (According to the data given by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, worldwide, 78.7% of homicide victims are male, and in 193 of the 202 listed countries or regions, males were more likely to be killed than females. In two, the ratio was 50:50 (Switzerland and British Virgin Islands), and in the remaining 7; Tonga, Iceland, Japan, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Latvia and Hong Kong, females were more likely to be victims of homicides compared to males.)
https://theconversation.com/men-are...lia-what-can-we-do-to-reduce-their-risk-78251 (Australian men more likely to be victims of homocide)
https://healthydebate.ca/2017/08/topic/male-suicide (men more likely to be victims of suicide)
https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-methods-1067508 (male suicide attempts "60% more severe" than female suicide attempts, women are more likely to engage in self harming behaviour though)
https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-017-1398-8 (men "disproportionately" high in terms of number of suicides)
https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.a...-fatalities-key-whs-statistics-australia-2018 (Australian men suffer many more workplace injuries and fatalities than women)
https://www.amhf.org.au/exactly_how_big_is_the_gender_health_gap (Australian gender health gap)
https://www.statista.com/statistics...injury-deaths-in-the-us-by-gender-since-2003/ (men much more likely to have occupational accidents than women, even in the US)
https://endhomelessness.org/demographic-data-project-gender-and-individual-homelessness/ (70% chance that a homeless person is a man, 29% a woman, 1% trans)
https://www.homelessnessaustralia.org.au/sites/homelessnessaus/files/2017-07/Homelessness and men.pdf (59% chance that a homeless person in Australia is a man)
https://melbourne-cshe.unimelb.edu....ender-Enrolment-Trends-F-Larkins-Sep-2018.pdf (ratio of 100 females to 72 males in universities in Australia)
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parlia...rary/Publications_Archive/CIB/cib0203/03CIB31 (more female students are universities, more male staff)
https://www.marketingcharts.com/industries/retail-and-e-commerce-41022 ("female millionaires have a higher net worth than their male counterparts")
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/...res-in-the-us-earned-more-than-men-on-average (female US millionaires earning more on average than male US millioniares)
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/aug/29/women-in-20s-earn-more-men-same-age-study-finds (women in their 20s earn more for than men in their 20s, it seems like the opposite to the feminist wage gap myth is the reality lol)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09...en-earn-more-than-men-fact-check/5712770?nw=0 (women get paid more than men of the same age, but that's because 3 females graduate for every 2 males, women make up around 57% of university students/graduates)
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/gender-pay-gap-where-women-earn-more-2018-4?r=US&IR=T (jobs where women earn more than men)
Strongest greycel post I've ever seen.
 
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Of course it's removed, reddit is a feminist run, left-wing shithole. Anything that attempts to give out actual facts or information (or even an opinion that is contrary to theirs) gets banned. Reddit is basically tumblr for people who aren't touching themselves the whole time they're on the site. A bunch of dickheads. I honestly hope reddit gets removed

"we can't take it seriously, it's ONLY 13 studies" meanwhile they allow a bunch of stupid anecdotes which no real evidence or stories that have one buzzfeed or vice news article as a "source". Pathetic le reddit.



Things many men envy about women:
- Being allowed to interact with children without being seen as a likely predator.
- Being able to have friends of the opposite sex without having it assumed you want to have sex with them.
- Being able to break down and cry when you feel overwhelmed without being thought of as weak.
- Being able to sit on a bench at a park anywhere near a playground without having your motives for being there questioned.
- Being taken seriously when trying to file a sexual harassment complaint.
- Not being the one carted off to jail when you're the victim of a domestic disturbance.
- Being allowed to express physical or emotional pain without being called weak or a sissy.
- Having access to the same level of resources when it comes to being the victim of sexual assault, domestic abuse, and similar issues.
- Not dealing with the double standards like being told that we can't possibly understand what life is like for women because we're not women, but having those same women acting like authorities on what life is like for men even though they're not men.
- Not dealing with the double standard of being accused of "mansplaining" (even if we actually are the authority on the subject in the conversation and we're being respectful)... but when women take the exact same attitude that defines "mansplaining", it's referred to as "educating".
- Not being talked down to if you have the kid(s) with you while running errands with things like "It looks like daddy is babysitting today". ("No. I'm actually the one raising the kids as a stay-at-home dad. I'm not the babysitter, I'm their primary caregiver.") Basically, being given credit for being able to be a capable parent who can raise and nurture a child.
- Women are considered the safer parent for children but are statistically significantly more likely to abuse, neglect, or kill their child.
- Having people not question out of context statistics. For example: the $0.75 on the dollar earnings (often started as being for the same work) not only doesn't make economic sense, but multiple economists say that it's an average and in context the gap is much smaller when you take into account the differences in life and career choices between men and women. (E.g., more women become nurses, which is a lower paying field than being doctors as men are pushed toward. Even between male and female doctors, males are pushed toward higher paying specializations.)
- Men are inherently accused as being more aggressive, but studies have shown that's just physical aggression. When social, emotional, and physical aggression are all accounted for... females are actually statistically significantly more aggressive (by about 1/3 as much).
- Women don't face the same stigmas a men when it comes to things like seeking therapy for psychological issues or even seeking out emotional support. This is one of the primary reasons male suicide rates are four times that of women.
- If a man wants to fight for custody of his kid(s), he's only going to win about 1 in every 6 cases at best. And that is only if he can show decisively that the mother is unfit to care for the children. In essence, from the start he's effectively having to appeal a judgement that's already set against him as a capable parent.
- Having a lower chance of being assaulted by strangers
- Having a lower chance of being murdered in general (strangers or associates)
- Having a lower chance of dying in a workplace accident
- Having a longer average lifespan
- Having a lower chance of being sexually assaulted in general (especially if you consider prison statistics)
- Being able to tell someone their kid is cute and not get put on a registry.
- Being able to be in physical pain without people saying "man up" or "walk it off"
- Having a much higher likelihood of winning court cases in general (not just family courts)
- Not being called a virgin or an incel because you disagree with the opposite gender
- Being able to find a partner much easier
- Being less likely to commit suicide
- Being less likely to die in a car accident/on the road
- Having a lower chance of being homeless
- Having a higher chance of being in university
- Having a higher chance of having an available shelter
- Having a higher chance of being a millionaire (at ages 18-44)

None of this, by the way, is any attempt on my part to minimize women's issues or say men have it worse.
Only to recognize that "privilege" is a very subjective concept and that men don't have things nearly as good as the dominant social narratives assert.


References:

Some of these things should be pretty obvious and not need a reference (e.g. women have longer lifespan than men, I don't need to prove that, it's a commonly accepted fact that women's average lifespan is a few years longer than men's generally speaking, in most countries. Or that girls get better marks than boys in school testing currently, look up top 100 schools in Australia and see how many are all girls compared to all boys or co-ed schools).
Some of these things don't have studies (e.g. more likely to be called virgin/incel because you disagree with opposite gender), so I can't reference them, but I thought they'd be agreeable to most people regardless. Or anecdotal findings (which aren't empirical but may be shared amongst many e.g. I've been turned down from a job before because they were looking for or preferred a female, and while they didn't say that, that's actually just sexism).
Also, some of these are similar so I'll lump some together.

Gender and Risk Perception


"Men don't cry" "Masculine men strong, emotional men weak" and how these are harmful perceptions

Being seen as a predator because you're not a woman (labelling someone as a rapist means you're psychologically tuning them to be a rapist, who would've thought? -.- )

The difference in sexual harrassment complaints

Domestic abuse related differences
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01531962 (more men were charged more often than women, but more women were given "more serious charges")
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-06/fact-file-domestic-violence-statistics/7147938?nw=0 (one in 3 Australian men have suffered domestic abuse, one in 4 Australian women have suffered domestic abuse)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09...c-violence-shame-stigma-support/12495738?nw=0 (Male victims and the stigma they face)

Resource availability (especially for victims) and gender disparity in mental health
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/men-and-mental-health/index.shtml (men "less likely" to get mental health help, more likely to die via suicide)
https://xyonline.net/sites/xyonline.net/files/2020-11/Lombard, 'What about the men' 2013.pdf ("What about the men?")
https://www.who.int/mental_health/media/en/242.pdf (women more likely to have mental health issues, but also more likely to get support for them and less likely to commit suicide because of them)

Double Standards
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0001839217694358
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4256532/ ("if a woman has sex with a bunch of guys, she's a slut, but if a guy does it, he gets praise" - nope, only according to data from the 60s, see this study to see how/why promiscuity isn't judged by gender any more)
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00544/full ("both men and women showed self-depreceating double standards" i.e. it's not just women who think they're not beautiful enough or good enough to be in the media or w/e, men feel that too)
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ave_internalized_the_muscular_male_body_ideal (the "ideal male" is seen as the extremely muscular man by both boys and girls, whereas the "ideal woman" isn't as "set")

Women considered safer parents/babysitters regardless of statistics
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02...ildren-on-the-rise-domestic-filicide/10793162 (mothers killing their offspring is on the rise, fathers doing so is declining)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213411000718 (seems like men and women are both just as bad in terms of filicide, not that men are these terrible things you should keep kids away from)
https://www.researchgate.net/public..._filicide_offenders_in_two_European_countries (Aussie study of filicide, fathers more often diagnosed with substance abuse and more likely to commit suicide afterwards i.e. feel guilt)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4315896/ ("more females sexually abused, more males physically abused" "a history of sexual abuse...related to sexual offending." "A history of physical abuse...related to violent offending") (Note, this logic would imply that the majority of sexual abusers currently or in the future will be female)
https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/who-abuses-children ("Evidence also suggests that mothers are more likely than fathers to be held responsible for child neglect. In a large representative study that examined the characteristics of perpetrators in substantiated cases of child abuse and neglect in the United States, neglect was the main type of abuse in 66% of cases involving a female caregiver, compared to 36% of cases involving a male caregiver (US DHHS, 2005). )

Feminist wage gap myth/propaganda

Women are more aggressive than men (except for physically)
https://www.researchgate.net/public...intimate_relationships_Comment_on_Archer_2000 (this says women are actually more likely to be physically aggressive even)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281360521_Women_and_aggression (female competition is generally "intersexually" or "indirect aggression")
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnbeh.2018.00081/full
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187704281200287X (neurobiological reasons for differences in aggression)

Custody Statistics
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2016/demo/P60-255.pdf (one in 6 custodial parents are fathers, or 17.5%)
https://scholarship.law.stjohns.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1522&context=lawreview
https://www.divorcenet.com/resource...-men-why-women-get-child-custody-over-80-time ("There was once a presumption that children should always stay with their mother following a divorce. Most states no longer honor that presumption, however. (In fact, some states have passed laws stating that there is no custody preference for women over men.) Despite this change, mothers are still more likely to get custody when parents divorce.")

Chances of being a victim/likelihood of danger/female biased gender disparities
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1635092/ (men more likely to be victims of homocide)
https://globalnews.ca/news/6536184/gender-based-violence-men-women/ (men more likely to be victims of homocide)
https://www.unodc.org/gsh/en/data.html (According to the data given by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, worldwide, 78.7% of homicide victims are male, and in 193 of the 202 listed countries or regions, males were more likely to be killed than females. In two, the ratio was 50:50 (Switzerland and British Virgin Islands), and in the remaining 7; Tonga, Iceland, Japan, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Latvia and Hong Kong, females were more likely to be victims of homicides compared to males.)
https://theconversation.com/men-are...lia-what-can-we-do-to-reduce-their-risk-78251 (Australian men more likely to be victims of homocide)
https://healthydebate.ca/2017/08/topic/male-suicide (men more likely to be victims of suicide)
https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-methods-1067508 (male suicide attempts "60% more severe" than female suicide attempts, women are more likely to engage in self harming behaviour though)
https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-017-1398-8 (men "disproportionately" high in terms of number of suicides)
https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.a...-fatalities-key-whs-statistics-australia-2018 (Australian men suffer many more workplace injuries and fatalities than women)
https://www.amhf.org.au/exactly_how_big_is_the_gender_health_gap (Australian gender health gap)
https://www.statista.com/statistics...injury-deaths-in-the-us-by-gender-since-2003/ (men much more likely to have occupational accidents than women, even in the US)
https://endhomelessness.org/demographic-data-project-gender-and-individual-homelessness/ (70% chance that a homeless person is a man, 29% a woman, 1% trans)
https://www.homelessnessaustralia.org.au/sites/homelessnessaus/files/2017-07/Homelessness and men.pdf (59% chance that a homeless person in Australia is a man)
https://melbourne-cshe.unimelb.edu....ender-Enrolment-Trends-F-Larkins-Sep-2018.pdf (ratio of 100 females to 72 males in universities in Australia)
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parlia...rary/Publications_Archive/CIB/cib0203/03CIB31 (more female students are universities, more male staff)
https://www.marketingcharts.com/industries/retail-and-e-commerce-41022 ("female millionaires have a higher net worth than their male counterparts")
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/...res-in-the-us-earned-more-than-men-on-average (female US millionaires earning more on average than male US millioniares)
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/aug/29/women-in-20s-earn-more-men-same-age-study-finds (women in their 20s earn more for than men in their 20s, it seems like the opposite to the feminist wage gap myth is the reality lol)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09...en-earn-more-than-men-fact-check/5712770?nw=0 (women get paid more than men of the same age, but that's because 3 females graduate for every 2 males, women make up around 57% of university students/graduates)
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/gender-pay-gap-where-women-earn-more-2018-4?r=US&IR=T (jobs where women earn more than men)
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Strongest greycel post I've ever seen.
Not sure what a greycel is, but people who say "do your research" are generally those who haven't done their research, and when you show them yours they tell you it's biased or you have no life for reading into it. Can't win with foids.
 
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Not sure what a greycel is
It's you. You're a greycel. All new users are greycels.

Expectations for greycels are usually very low. My comment meant that you're doing exceptionally well so far.
 
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based_meme said:
It's you. You're a greycel. All new users are greycels.

Expectations for greycels are usually very low. My comment meant that you're doing exceptionally well so far.
Oh okay thank you for the explanation. I notice a lot of them are posting in the sewers and are just trolls.
 
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Oh okay thank you for the explanation. I notice a lot of them are posting in the sewers and are just trolls.
No problem. Also, yes, most greycels are trolls or larps, hence the bad rep greycels have.
 
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