Serious Some of our issues can be attributed to globalism

[I.N.C.E.L.S. Boss]

I honestly think our inceldom can be explained, besides looks, to the erosion of tribal values due to the rise of globalism.

When I was younger, my father would tell me how my ancestors lived, their customes, their culture and their social organization. If we go back in time, my people were a small community living in a mountain earning a living through their agricultural production and cattle. There was a male for every female, depending of the ratio of course.
These folks were synchronized to the reality of life. Doing a work which had a purpose for them and the people surrounding them, like building house, laboring in the fields, walking the cattle, raising the kids to be adults and take the reins later.

Life had a purpose in a tribal system.
And that same purpose is diluted or dare i say, even non existent in our modern societies.

Globalism has most likely killed it. We are wageslaving 8+ hours of our day away for something that ultimately doesn't matter for us as individuals, and isn't geared towards anything.
Females are in a state of sexual satiety, to the poing where the sexual act carries no meaning at all.
Humans are one of the few rare species that feel pleasure in doing the sexual act, the purpose behind such a biological mechanism is to cement long term connection between the people.
Same with food, back in the tribal system, through labouring the fields or helping physically a new couple to build a house, your brain would release the "feel good" chemical and thus the relation is consolidated between the individuals.

This is all gone for some of us. To simply put in, we are disynchronized from life.
I feel like we aren't living the way a human is supposed to live, or maybe i am romanticizing too much a long gone era and actually things were bad back then too.

Do you think being ugly was also a death sentence in the tribal system ? Or was it less harsh than being ugly in the modern world ?

 

[Genetic Dead End]

I’m sorry you got not replies, shows you the value of high effort threads in this forum. If this was a dogpill or a shitty hamlossus post it would probably get 20+ replies easy.


Anyways I completely agree, modern humans have a reached a long and tight bottleneck in terms of identity. No longer do culture, beliefs, and creeds that have been passed down for millennia hold much weight today. unique idiosyncrasies are being weeded out and replaced by narcissism, solipsism, hedonism, and self-centered consumerism. I actually wrote an essay about a topic very similar to this last year, I might post it here if I manage to find it.

 

[Sleeper]

true, as uncle ted says: the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
i think being ugly would have still lead to mockery as it does today, but foids didn't really have much of a choice. they didn't have cars to easily transport them away, they didn't have phones or tinder and were generally forced to marry ugly men. if the cheated they were punished and in some based societies this still exists

two people in this world: the winners and the losers. in the end, someone has to lose and that loser is us. don't want to earn a living? that's fine, workers are being imported to replace you. in the past, you could just walk into a store/yard/factory and request a job and you'd have it and back then your only competition was the guy down the road or so on. now you're competing against the world, you're competing against the foids, the africans, the indians, the mexicans, the europeans and the chads who dominate in every field. how does a man who has never had a girlfriend or friends win? how does a loser like you even compete? you don't. you're a loser, plain and simple. you're the one that was left behind and there's nothing that can change that, absolutely nothing. it doesn't matter whether you made a good or bad decision or tried hard enough, the end result remains the same.

it's possible one day we'll return to an era where we live in communities once again, where the feminists, socialists, capitalists, atheists, satanists, individualists, punks, furries, cucks, "pagans", liberals, conservatives, bankers, redditors, junkies, drunks, whores and chads cease to exist or are simply purged.

 

[Deleted member 25274]

Bumping this so others can read

 

[Glokta]

'You can't outrice the Chinese'. That's just the way it is. All of the great things the lower strata of Western societies fought for; 8 hour work day, paid overtime, labor laws, safety regulations, etc, are meaningless when you have to compete with slave labor toiling away for pennies. Male value stems from work, and that work has been outsourced to Third World shitholes were labor laws and workers rights don't exist as a concept. When the value of male labor plummets, the only value men have left are looks, and so, here we are.

 

[based_meme]

I honestly think our inceldom can be explained, besides looks, to the erosion of tribal values due to the rise of globalism.

When I was younger, my father would tell me how my ancestors lived, their customes, their culture and their social organization. If we go back in time, my people were a small community living in a mountain earning a living through their agricultural production and cattle. There was a male for every female, depending of the ratio of course.
These folks were synchronized to the reality of life. Doing a work which had a purpose for them and the people surrounding them, like building house, laboring in the fields, walking the cattle, raising the kids to be adults and take the reins later.

Life had a purpose in a tribal system.
And that same purpose is diluted or dare i say, even non existent in our modern societies.

Globalism has most likely killed it. We are wageslaving 8+ hours of our day away for something that ultimately doesn't matter for us as individuals, and isn't geared towards anything.
Females are in a state of sexual satiety, to the poing where the sexual act carries no meaning at all.
Humans are one of the few rare species that feel pleasure in doing the sexual act, the purpose behind such a biological mechanism is to cement long term connection between the people.
Same with food, back in the tribal system, through labouring the fields or helping physically a new couple to build a house, your brain would release the "feel good" chemical and thus the relation is consolidated between the individuals.

This is all gone for some of us. To simply put in, we are disynchronized from life.
I feel like we aren't living the way a human is supposed to live, or maybe i am romanticizing too much a long gone era and actually things were bad back then too.

Do you think being ugly was also a death sentence in the tribal system ? Or was it less harsh than being ugly in the modern world ?

High IQ post.

Globalism is a facilitator of the effect that you're describing for the reason that the individualistic culture of the West is being spread everywhere (via globalism) like a virus.

An individualistic culture is antithetical to tribalist systems. The goal of such a culture is to atomize society as much as possible and make the individual dependent upon the system, rather than the tribe or community, for the sole reason of maximizing the exploitation of the individual (for money, labor, brian power etc.).

Being ugly in a tribalist system is not necessarily a death sentence, since those societies are supportive and role-based, so everybody fits in somehow.

 

[AccountError]

European settlers who experienced native life were homesick about the tribe and didn't feel a large attachment to it's then industrial society. Says alot tbh

 

[based_meme]

true, as uncle ted says: the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
i think being ugly would have still lead to mockery as it does today, but foids didn't really have much of a choice. they didn't have cars to easily transport them away, they didn't have phones or tinder and were generally forced to marry ugly men. if the cheated they were punished and in some based societies this still exists

two people in this world: the winners and the losers. in the end, someone has to lose and that loser is us. don't want to earn a living? that's fine, workers are being imported to replace you. in the past, you could just walk into a store/yard/factory and request a job and you'd have it and back then your only competition was the guy down the road or so on. now you're competing against the world, you're competing against the foids, the africans, the indians, the mexicans, the europeans and the chads who dominate in every field. how does a man who has never had a girlfriend or friends win? how does a loser like you even compete? you don't. you're a loser, plain and simple. you're the one that was left behind and there's nothing that can change that, absolutely nothing. it doesn't matter whether you made a good or bad decision or tried hard enough, the end result remains the same.

it's possible one day we'll return to an era where we live in communities once again, where the feminists, socialists, capitalists, atheists, satanists, individualists, punks, furries, cucks, "pagans", liberals, conservatives, bankers, redditors, junkies, drunks, whores and chads cease to exist or are simply purged.

 

[Deleted member 23820]

true, as uncle ted says: the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

 

[TINMAN]

What you are saying is true to a certain extent, but I think that the majority of the issue lies in the rapid and widespread dissemination of information. Human beings are not suited neurologically to living an environment where they are bombarded with so much available information.

 

[Deleted member 22572]

Ye this is one of the things that makes me lazy. There's no value in anything u do. Soon when the overlords take over the world there'll be 5 companies per country and we'll all be working hard for 1% of the world to get more money and power

 

[Mystic]

High IQ good post

 

[I.N.C.E.L.S. Boss]

What you are saying is true to a certain extent, but I think that the majority of the issue lies in the rapid and widespread dissemination of information. Human beings are not suited neurologically to living an environment where they are bombarded with so much available information.

Yes. I remember watching a documentary where they stated that brain is limited as to how much social connections it can compute.
That's why you don't remember most people's name.

Ye this is one of the things that makes me lazy. There's no value in anything u do. Soon when the overlords take over the world there'll be 5 companies per country and we'll all be working hard for 1% of the world to get more money and power

I just made a thread about the work aspect if you want to check it.

true, as uncle ted says: the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
i think being ugly would have still lead to mockery as it does today, but foids didn't really have much of a choice. they didn't have cars to easily transport them away, they didn't have phones or tinder and were generally forced to marry ugly men. if the cheated they were punished and in some based societies this still exists

two people in this world: the winners and the losers. in the end, someone has to lose and that loser is us. don't want to earn a living? that's fine, workers are being imported to replace you. in the past, you could just walk into a store/yard/factory and request a job and you'd have it and back then your only competition was the guy down the road or so on. now you're competing against the world, you're competing against the foids, the africans, the indians, the mexicans, the europeans and the chads who dominate in every field. how does a man who has never had a girlfriend or friends win? how does a loser like you even compete? you don't. you're a loser, plain and simple. you're the one that was left behind and there's nothing that can change that, absolutely nothing. it doesn't matter whether you made a good or bad decision or tried hard enough, the end result remains the same.

it's possible one day we'll return to an era where we live in communities once again, where the feminists, socialists, capitalists, atheists, satanists, individualists, punks, furries, cucks, "pagans", liberals, conservatives, bankers, redditors, junkies, drunks, whores and chads cease to exist or are simply purged.

Doubt the globalist overlords would let that happen tbh.

 

[Deleted member 22572]

I just made a thread about the work aspect if you want to check it.

Link it. I like Ur threads btw

 

[I.N.C.E.L.S. Boss]

'You can't outrice the Chinese'. That's just the way it is. All of the great things the lower strata of Western societies fought for; 8 hour work day, paid overtime, labor laws, safety regulations, etc, are meaningless when you have to compete with slave labor toiling away for pennies. Male value stems from work, and that work has been outsourced to Third World shitholes were labor laws and workers rights don't exist as a concept. When the value of male labor plummets, the only value men have left are looks, and so, here we are.

Your last sentence depicts such a sad reality unfortunately.

Link it. I like Ur threads btw

https://incels.is/threads/essay-on-...-rewarding-not-for-attentionspan-cels.194793/

 

[modern_grendel]

I honestly think our inceldom can be explained, besides looks, to the erosion of tribal values due to the rise of globalism.

When I was younger, my father would tell me how my ancestors lived, their customes, their culture and their social organization. If we go back in time, my people were a small community living in a mountain earning a living through their agricultural production and cattle. There was a male for every female, depending of the ratio of course.
These folks were synchronized to the reality of life. Doing a work which had a purpose for them and the people surrounding them, like building house, laboring in the fields, walking the cattle, raising the kids to be adults and take the reins later.

Life had a purpose in a tribal system.
And that same purpose is diluted or dare i say, even non existent in our modern societies.

Globalism has most likely killed it. We are wageslaving 8+ hours of our day away for something that ultimately doesn't matter for us as individuals, and isn't geared towards anything.
Females are in a state of sexual satiety, to the poing where the sexual act carries no meaning at all.
Humans are one of the few rare species that feel pleasure in doing the sexual act, the purpose behind such a biological mechanism is to cement long term connection between the people.
Same with food, back in the tribal system, through labouring the fields or helping physically a new couple to build a house, your brain would release the "feel good" chemical and thus the relation is consolidated between the individuals.

This is all gone for some of us. To simply put in, we are disynchronized from life.
I feel like we aren't living the way a human is supposed to live, or maybe i am romanticizing too much a long gone era and actually things were bad back then too.

Do you think being ugly was also a death sentence in the tribal system ? Or was it less harsh than being ugly in the modern world ?

with tinder, women can basically find global cock

 

[SolitaryConfinement]

High IQ. Though I think there is a tendency to over-idealize the 'halcyon days' of the past, especially when faced with the stark reality of the hellscape we live in today, that doesn't change the fact that what you stated with respect to globalism is spot on. Especially in terms of lifestyle, what you said is laced with potent truth.

There needs to be connection between a man and his work for him to generate a sense of belonging within society as well as a larger sense of purpose relating to his life as a whole. Simple manual labor works well to achieve this end--chopping wood, building a house, creating tools, etc.--there is a very clear connection between a necessity that exists, what one is doing, and a (hopefully) positive resulting state in terms of producing a better or easier life thanks to your efforts. In other words, your work and the effects thereof are very tangible and evident. Work today is totally divorced from these things. It's an exercise in meaninglessness. We work to add to the electronic ledger of the elite. That's it. There is nothing in this for us besides something scooped out of the gutter of that ledger, which we can trade for basic shelter and food. I honestly felt more satisfaction when I used to cut the grass on my parent's yard than I have in the entirety of the time I've spent wageslaving.

In addition, there's a saying that people cynically verse where I work that exemplifies the harsh truth of modern employment: "everyone is replaceable". And it's accurate. Our jobs are all very regimented and the skills don't require a great degree of uniqueness. Thus, the elites literally have billions of other options when it comes to replacing us. We are easily off shored and laid off. Even those who consider themselves 'independent' like writers or inventors are often co-opted into the system and used for its pleasure once they reach a certain degree of skill or refinement. If they don't comply with the advances they receive, they simply have their ideas stolen.

Add to this, the inclusion of foids in the workspace and the whole experience is not only completely purposeless, but emasculating. The implications that the former has had on fucking up the natural order have been well-documented already, but suffice it to reiterate that when a woman's literal survival does not depend on her getting married young, serving her husband, and raising children, then this is the shit show that you get as a society because AWALT and always have been.

I'd add that while it's probably a topic for another thread entirely, the effect that foids entering the workplace during this globalist era has had on male wages is worthy of note too. Two partners working does not mean a household today earns the equivalent of twice as much as a household 50 years ago. In contrast, they actually make much less. The reason this matters, is it keeps the youth in longer and longer states of arrested development, with virgin normie non-chads constantly coping by telling themselves all through their 20's that they're 'putting off' dating and marriage until they have a firm career (near impossibility these days) established. All the while, girls are whoring and being given places at university/earning wages that in a sane society would be set aside for men so that they could afford to raise a family and by extension ensure the creation of a healthy society. Consequently, you end up with a bigger and bigger caste of incels over time as these guys waste their prime years in school and in jobs competing for the few well-paying positions that exist (directly sucking elitist cock), while foids are riding carousel and contributing jackshit to society. The resulting deflation from the wasted time and work, lack of sex and partner, and hopeless future is what causes men to rope en masse.

Do you think being ugly was also a death sentence in the tribal system ? Or was it less harsh than being ugly in the modern world ?

I do think it was easier as an ugly man back in the day, but with one big caveat. A fellow friendcel recently opened by eyes to the prevalence of infanticide in history and tbh I was not aware of just how widespread and common this practice was until I started really researching the subject myself. It used to be that a lot of babies who couldn't be supported, were deformed, or were unbearably ugly, were simply left outside and froze or were killed in any number of other horrific ways. I cannot take credit for raising this idea to the discussion, but I do believe based my investigation that this was much more common than the average person would like to believe.

That said, if a man was perhaps not an ogrecel, but was still moderately ugly and lived past childhood, I do think it was easier for them to integrate into society. Marriages were looks-matched and occurred at a much younger age than they do now. Most girls didn't have the time to 'shop around' for men because they were married off as soon as they started menstrating. From there, there was an expectation for her to have kids and serve her husband. If she didn't do that, she was in violation of social contract and the penalties for whoring, if caught, were harsh. That doesn't mean it didn't happen still, but there were much stricter social controls that kept it from being as widespeard, let alone accepted, as it is today.

Even for lonercels who didn't get married--they would get shipped off to the monastery to become priests or monks. If you had to live as a virgincel, then spending your existence alongside other celibate men, believing that your life was dedicated to God and the salvation of souls is a pretty damn good way to cope. In addition, you didn't have the internet and philosophy was limited to what the church let you read, so there wouldn't be much reason to question perspective on the matter of religion. Consequently, from a psychological standpoint, this was probably the best way ever invented to have gotten through life as an incel (though I'm sure many truly believed they were volcels) because you believed your virginhood served the most important thing in the universe as the church would ascribe it. That, and believe it or not, the church used to actually teach that celibacy and virginhood was superior to marriage (jfl at the church in 2020).

 

[guaucel]

All kikes and jesuits (and the groups that split from these gay cowards which are more than you can imagine) must be judged by everyone and killed
pd: JFL at being a rich oldcel and cope that your looksmatch have young chad orbiters with "holding" power over masses that otherwise wouldn't even give a shit about you

 

[I.N.C.E.L.S. Boss]

High IQ. Though I think there is a tendency to over-idealize the 'halcyon days' of the past, especially when faced with the stark reality of the hellscape we live in today, that doesn't change the fact that what you stated with respect to globalism is spot on. Especially in terms of lifestyle, what you said is laced with potent truth.

There needs to be connection between a man and his work for him to generate a sense of belonging within society as well as a larger sense of purpose relating to his life as a whole. Simple manual labor works well to achieve this end--chopping wood, building a house, creating tools, etc.--there is a very clear connection between a necessity that exists, what one is doing, and a (hopefully) positive resulting state in terms of producing a better or easier life thanks to your efforts. In other words, your work and the effects thereof are very tangible and evident. Work today is totally divorced from these things. It's an exercise in meaninglessness. We work to add to the electronic ledger of the elite. That's it. There is nothing in this for us besides something scooped out of the gutter of that ledger, which we can trade for basic shelter and food. I honestly felt more satisfaction when I used to cut the grass on my parent's yard than I have in the entirety of the time I've spent wageslaving.

In addition, there's a saying that people cynically verse where I work that exemplifies the harsh truth of modern employment: "everyone is replaceable". And it's accurate. Our jobs are all very regimented and the skills don't require a great degree of uniqueness. Thus, the elites literally have billions of other options when it comes to replacing us. We are easily off shored and laid off. Even those who consider themselves 'independent' like writers or inventors are often co-opted into the system and used for its pleasure once they reach a certain degree of skill or refinement. If they don't comply with the advances they receive, they simply have their ideas stolen.

Add to this, the inclusion of foids in the workspace and the whole experience is not only completely purposeless, but emasculating. The implications that the former has had on fucking up the natural order have been well-documented already, but suffice it to reiterate that when a woman's literal survival does not depend on her getting married young, serving her husband, and raising children, then this is the shit show that you get as a society because AWALT and always have been.

I'd add that while it's probably a topic for another thread entirely, the effect that foids entering the workplace during this globalist era has had on male wages is worthy of note too. Two partners working does not mean a household today earns the equivalent of twice as much as a household 50 years ago. In contrast, they actually make much less. The reason this matters, is it keeps the youth in longer and longer states of arrested development, with virgin normie non-chads constantly coping by telling themselves all through their 20's that they're 'putting off' dating and marriage until they have a firm career (near impossibility these days) established. All the while, girls are whoring and being given places at university/earning wages that in a sane society would be set aside for men so that they could afford to raise a family and by extension ensure the creation of a healthy society. Consequently, you end up with a bigger and bigger caste of incels over time as these guys waste their prime years in school and in jobs competing for the few well-paying positions that exist (directly sucking elitist cock), while foids are riding carousel and contributing jackshit to society. The resulting deflation from the wasted time and work, lack of sex and partner, and hopeless future is what causes men to rope en masse.


I do think it was easier as an ugly man back in the day, but with one big caveat. A fellow friendcel recently opened by eyes to the prevalence of infanticide in history and tbh I was not aware of just how widespread and common this practice was until I started really researching the subject myself. It used to be that a lot of babies who couldn't be supported, were deformed, or were unbearably ugly, were simply left outside and froze or were killed in any number of other horrific ways. I cannot take credit for raising this idea to the discussion, but I do believe based my investigation that this was much more common than the average person would like to believe.

That said, if a man was perhaps not an ogrecel, but was still moderately ugly and lived past childhood, I do think it was easier for them to integrate into society. Marriages were looks-matched and occurred at a much younger age than they do now. Most girls didn't have the time to 'shop around' for men because they were married off as soon as they started menstrating. From there, there was an expectation for her to have kids and serve her husband. If she didn't do that, she was in violation of social contract and the penalties for whoring, if caught, were harsh. That doesn't mean it didn't happen still, but there were much stricter social controls that kept it from being as widespeard, let alone accepted, as it is today.

Even for lonercels who didn't get married--they would get shipped off to the monastery to become priests or monks. If you had to live as a virgincel, then spending your existence alongside other celibate men, believing that your life was dedicated to God and the salvation of souls is a pretty damn good way to cope. In addition, you didn't have the internet and philosophy was limited to what the church let you read, so there wouldn't be much reason to question perspective on the matter of religion. Consequently, from a psychological standpoint, this was probably the best way ever invented to have gotten through life as an incel (though I'm sure many truly believed they were volcels) because you believed your virginhood served the most important thing in the universe as the church would ascribe it. That, and believe it or not, the church used to actually teach that celibacy and virginhood was superior to marriage (jfl at the church in 2020).

Regarding the work topic, you described my view on this perfectly.
I created a thread on that matter some hours ago. You can check it, i linked it to another fellow cel two posts above yours.

When you were cutting the grass on your parents' land, you weren't expecting a monetaty gain. Rather, the fact of doing something for people you have strong connections with in order to strengthen these links even more, was the reward in itself.
That's what work as an evolutionary tool was meant to achieve.

It's as if "work" isn't supposed to be work (in the modern meaning of the word), but rather a kind of semi-selfless act done voluntarily for people you are strongly bounded to.

I really advise you to check that thread and share your inputs on it.

 

[SolitaryConfinement]

I really advise you to check that thread and share your inputs on it.

Will do--thanks for the heads up!

 

[StormWind]

I gotta keep it real with you chief. If globalism wasn't a thing, we'd be fucking our wives by now. It's actually more fucked up if you think about it. If average men are incels, and not just hideous looking trucels then we are really FUCKED!!

 

[ItsOver4cel]

High IQ good post